Samara Martins: It's that the logic of taking these people out of that... that perspective that is the drug trade, that is marginality, doesn't pass only through creating more prisons, having more weaponry, more military police, more patrol cars, which even puts the police themselves in a warlike condition that wasn't exactly what they were expecting when they go in.
Samara Martins: Because nobody wants to go up to Penha to go into an attack that's... that's horrific.
I went to Penha to talk with the mothers of those who lost their sons in that Penha massacre.
Samara Martins: And they, what's the biggest challenge for the mothers?
Samara Martins: Proving that their sons weren't criminals.