Samara Martins: And it's not that we're going to say, 'ah, but now we're anti-punitive, nobody should be punished.'
Samara Martins: No, it's not that.
It's that the logic of taking these people out of that... that perspective that is the drug trade, that is marginality, doesn't pass only through creating more prisons, having more weaponry, more military police, more patrol cars, which even puts the police themselves in a warlike condition that wasn't exactly what they were expecting when they go in.
Samara Martins: Because nobody wants to go up to Penha to go into an attack that's... that's horrific.
Samara Martins: I went to Penha to talk with the mothers of those who lost their sons in that Penha massacre.