Samara Martins: So, if they block us, let's suppose they block us, but they need Brazil, because some people even say it's excellent that we be the world's breadbasket, the world's farm, and we don't want to be a country dependent on others, that sells commodities and then buys the industrialized goods.
Samara Martins: to be a sovereign and independent country.
We need to develop technology, we need to develop science and technology in our country, which means industrializing our country, and we are going through a process... of deindustrialization of Brazil, of re-primarization of our economy, with this colonial scent, we cannot do that.
Samara Martins: But if we are the largest producers of these commodities, these basic products for people's existence, we necessarily don't need other countries.
Desconhecido: And if you are sanctioned, how long would it take you to industrialize Brazil and stop being a... seller of commodities, because I think it's not such a simple process.