Samara Martins: And they were talking precisely about that.
Samara Martins: Exactly. And they were talking precisely about that.
They don't have incentives, they don't have machinery, they lack many things.
Samara Martins: And then what do they do?
Samara Martins: They produce that cheese, which they should sell, for example, for 60 or 70 reais.