Samara Martins: We have the Cacique Merongue collective that has been having this debate with quilombola communities about this, including the point you made—that it's not possible.
Samara Martins: To live sustainably.
It is possible to live sustainably if the logic isn't profit.
Samara Martins: Because, if you talk about that China experience, would it really be necessary, for the development of our people, to have to destroy a waterfall or a mountain range for us to live better?
Samara Martins: Or does that, in fact, serve the profit of some sector?