Samara Martins: Not like the traditional coups d'état, as in '64, or as they tried to do in 2023, but an institutional coup.
Samara Martins: Because what they considered Dilma's problem was something that a week later they considered legal, right?
Which was what, in fact, other state managers also did — the so-called fiscal pedaladas — but there it was an imposition, including by the financial oligarchies, to have more control.
Desconhecido: And are you aware that this could happen to you?
Samara Martins: Of course, definitely.