Desconhecido: I'll present you again with a concrete fact.
Desconhecido: How do you, as a manager, evaluate an operation like those in the Alemão and Penha complexes, which left 122 bodies...
And it was one of the most strategically well‑executed operations in the country.
Ronaldo Caiado: Look, the strategy of that operation is enviable.
Ronaldo Caiado: In the most populated region of Rio de Janeiro, there wasn't a single civilian involved.