Pablo Marçal: I'm telling you.
Pablo Marçal: I think it's healthier for Brazil, to avoid a rupture, that it's not Trump coming here to capture him.
But it's for us to go to the polls and retire Lula at the ballot box so history is properly recorded.
Pablo Marçal: Otherwise it's going to be ugly, it'll be painful.
Pablo Marçal: They already impeached Collor, and they already impeached Dilma.