Pablo Marçal: If Lula pulls that stunt, he'll either leave by the vote, or he'll leave some other way.
Pablo Marçal: I'm telling you.
I think it's healthier for Brazil, to avoid a rupture, that it's not Trump coming here to capture him.
Pablo Marçal: But it's for us to go to the polls and retire Lula at the ballot box so history is properly recorded.
Pablo Marçal: Otherwise it's going to be ugly, it'll be painful.