Desconhecido: The human rights issue that has really disappeared from the discussion — what do you think about that?
Fernando Haddad: Hold on, I'm from a school of thought, I have a law degree.
I'm from a school that says the following: crime must have a penalty.
Fernando Haddad: The penalty must be harsh; the person must feel it in their own skin that they harmed society.
Fernando Haddad: Thus, the penalty must be graduated according to the degree of seriousness of the crime and the harm it caused to society.