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Esa parte es ideológica, religiosa, y tiene como fundamento principal negar toda evidencia empírica.",362.22,371.86,{"idx":469,"utterance_id":470,"speaker_name":99,"text":471,"start_s":472,"end_s":473,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},68,"65307","Todo aquello que dice la ciencia y el conocimiento que es bueno, ella dice que está mal.",373.32,379.02,{"idx":475,"utterance_id":476,"speaker_name":99,"text":477,"start_s":478,"end_s":479,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},69,"65308","El sexo, en biología, no es cero o uno.",380.26,384.2,{"idx":481,"utterance_id":482,"speaker_name":99,"text":483,"start_s":484,"end_s":485,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},70,"65309","Es cualquier cosa entre cero y uno.",384.94,386.6,{"idx":487,"utterance_id":488,"speaker_name":99,"text":489,"start_s":490,"end_s":491,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},71,"65310","Natural.",388.72,389.46,{"idx":493,"utterance_id":494,"speaker_name":99,"text":495,"start_s":496,"end_s":497,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},72,"65311","Entonces se trata de lo siguiente, de un reaccionarismo.",391.24,395.08,{"idx":499,"utterance_id":500,"speaker_name":99,"text":501,"start_s":502,"end_s":503,"word_count":59,"indexable":74},73,"65312","Monstruoso, que va a producir efectos; principalmente, la parte más grave —que creo— es que todo podría estar allí, menos la educación.",395.98,407.74,{"idx":505,"utterance_id":506,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":507,"start_s":508,"end_s":509,"word_count":195,"indexable":74},74,"65313","Ahora, cuando usted habla de la parte iluminada, quizás discrepemos un poco sobre alguna medida de lo que se está haciendo.",410.02,417.52,{"idx":511,"utterance_id":512,"speaker_name":99,"text":513,"start_s":514,"end_s":515,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},75,"65314","Ciertamente discreparemos, porque es natural.",417.62,420.24,{"idx":517,"utterance_id":518,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":519,"start_s":520,"end_s":521,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},76,"65315","Es natural.",420.6,421.08,{"idx":523,"utterance_id":524,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":525,"start_s":526,"end_s":527,"word_count":244,"indexable":74},77,"65316","Pero hoy, pues, esta semana Guedes dijo... Esas cosas que se dicen sin pensar, pero cuando uno ocupa el cargo de ministro de economía, no es cualquiera.",421.46,432.96,{"idx":529,"utterance_id":530,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":531,"start_s":532,"end_s":533,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},78,"65317","No puede hablar mal de la esposa del presidente de Francia; no puede hablar del AI-5; no puede hablar como si estuviera en la mesa de un bar sin que nadie lo escuche.",433.56,444.24,{"idx":535,"utterance_id":536,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":537,"start_s":538,"end_s":539,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},79,"65318","Estás representando a tu país.",444.28,446.32,{"idx":541,"utterance_id":542,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":543,"start_s":544,"end_s":545,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},80,"65319","¿No cree que están sobrepasando un poco el límite, empezando a asustar a la gente?",446.94,452.64,{"idx":547,"utterance_id":548,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":549,"start_s":550,"end_s":551,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},81,"65320","Y eso tiene una implicación; no es solo institucional.",453.66,456.04,{"idx":553,"utterance_id":554,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":555,"start_s":556,"end_s":557,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},82,"65321","Como dije, el guardia de la esquina necesita ser avisado de las cosas.",456.48,459.74,{"idx":559,"utterance_id":560,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":561,"start_s":562,"end_s":563,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},83,"65322","Usted vivió tiempos duros y creo que no extraña un Brasil que...",461.04,467.7,{"idx":565,"utterance_id":566,"speaker_name":99,"text":567,"start_s":568,"end_s":569,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},84,"65323","Pero creo que, con todo esto, no saben de lo que están hablando.",468.16,471.1,{"idx":571,"utterance_id":572,"speaker_name":99,"text":573,"start_s":574,"end_s":575,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},85,"65324","No tienen la menor idea de lo que están hablando.",472.16,473.94,{"idx":577,"utterance_id":578,"speaker_name":99,"text":579,"start_s":580,"end_s":581,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},86,"65325","Quien habla sobre la I-5, normalmente, no tiene la menor idea de lo que está hablando.",475.26,480.74,{"idx":583,"utterance_id":584,"speaker_name":99,"text":585,"start_s":586,"end_s":587,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},87,"65326","El regreso al I-5 es algo inimaginable.",482.48,485.18,{"idx":589,"utterance_id":590,"speaker_name":99,"text":591,"start_s":592,"end_s":593,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},88,"65327","Inimaginable.",486.04,486.9,{"idx":595,"utterance_id":596,"speaker_name":99,"text":597,"start_s":598,"end_s":599,"word_count":48,"indexable":74},89,"65328","Lo que creo es lo siguiente: la ventaja que veo en Guedes es que necesitamos realmente un choque en la administración pública.",489.54,499.16,{"idx":601,"utterance_id":602,"speaker_name":99,"text":603,"start_s":604,"end_s":605,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},90,"65329","Él se propone hacer eso; usted se propuso hacerlo.",500.44,503.76,{"idx":607,"utterance_id":608,"speaker_name":99,"text":609,"start_s":610,"end_s":611,"word_count":59,"indexable":74},91,"65330","Tengo serias dudas sobre el final de este asunto, porque puedes hacer lo que quieras; desarrollo sin inversión no existe.",504.7,517.78,{"idx":613,"utterance_id":614,"speaker_name":99,"text":615,"start_s":616,"end_s":617,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},92,"65331","Desarrollo sin inversión en infraestructura, menos aún.",518.74,523.56,{"idx":619,"utterance_id":620,"speaker_name":99,"text":621,"start_s":622,"end_s":623,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},93,"65332","El desarrollo en infraestructura sin la participación del gobierno es algo muy difícil.",524.84,531.76,{"idx":625,"utterance_id":626,"speaker_name":99,"text":627,"start_s":628,"end_s":629,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},94,"65333","Cuando el gobierno está en un estado de insolvencia, probablemente tendrá que encontrar vías para producir esa inversión mediante capital privado, nacional o extranjero.",533.28,545.66,{"idx":631,"utterance_id":632,"speaker_name":99,"text":633,"start_s":634,"end_s":635,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},95,"65334","Asociaciones público-privadas, acelerarlas.",548.94,551.4,{"idx":637,"utterance_id":638,"speaker_name":99,"text":639,"start_s":640,"end_s":641,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},96,"65335","Tendrá que abandonar realmente una parte del Estado que creó.",551.86,557.6,{"idx":643,"utterance_id":644,"speaker_name":99,"text":645,"start_s":646,"end_s":647,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},97,"65336","De hecho, le voy a decir una cosa.",559.36,561.16,{"idx":649,"utterance_id":650,"speaker_name":99,"text":651,"start_s":652,"end_s":653,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},98,"65337","El sector público se volvió muy hinchado; es muy ineficiente.",563.3,569.74,{"idx":655,"utterance_id":656,"speaker_name":99,"text":657,"start_s":658,"end_s":659,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},99,"65338","Hay cosas que se pueden hacer.",571.26,572.88,{"idx":661,"utterance_id":662,"speaker_name":99,"text":663,"start_s":664,"end_s":665,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},100,"65339","Mi objeción, Haddad, es la siguiente.",573.7,575.46,{"idx":667,"utterance_id":668,"speaker_name":99,"text":669,"start_s":670,"end_s":671,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},101,"65340","Usted lo saturó.",577.34,579.12,{"idx":673,"utterance_id":674,"speaker_name":99,"text":675,"start_s":676,"end_s":677,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},102,"65341","El Congreso tiene un gran problema digestivo.",579.74,584.5,{"idx":679,"utterance_id":680,"speaker_name":99,"text":681,"start_s":682,"end_s":683,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},103,"65342","Va a necesitar un 'sal de fruta' para poder sobrevivir a ese proceso.",585.16,589.66,{"idx":685,"utterance_id":686,"speaker_name":99,"text":687,"start_s":688,"end_s":689,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},104,"65343","Hay en el Congreso, incluso, un programa alternativo al de Guedes.",590.3,595.78,{"idx":691,"utterance_id":692,"speaker_name":99,"text":693,"start_s":694,"end_s":695,"word_count":42,"indexable":74},105,"65344","Basta ver lo siguiente: que Guedes, en mi opinión, acertadamente, sabe que los programas de reforma tributaria que están allí... son cosas muy difíciles de aplicar.",596.56,615.58,{"idx":697,"utterance_id":698,"speaker_name":99,"text":699,"start_s":700,"end_s":701,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},106,"65345","Y también de resultado dudoso.",616.44,619.8,{"idx":703,"utterance_id":704,"speaker_name":99,"text":705,"start_s":706,"end_s":707,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},107,"65346","Me impresiona cuando alguien propone en Brasil hacer algo que va a durar 10 años.",621.6,626.78,{"idx":709,"utterance_id":710,"speaker_name":99,"text":711,"start_s":712,"end_s":713,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},108,"65347","Tengo 91 años y medio.",627.94,629.52,{"idx":715,"utterance_id":716,"speaker_name":99,"text":717,"start_s":718,"end_s":719,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},109,"65348","Ya aprendí en el gobierno que cada vez que fijas una fecha, su destino es ser prorrogada.",631.16,638.36,{"idx":721,"utterance_id":722,"speaker_name":99,"text":723,"start_s":724,"end_s":725,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},110,"65349","A lo largo de todos estos años desarrollamos un corporativismo; es una casta que se apropió del excedente nacional.",639.82,651.34,{"idx":727,"utterance_id":728,"speaker_name":99,"text":729,"start_s":730,"end_s":731,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},111,"65350","Y que hoy es poderosísima.",653.06,654.98,{"idx":733,"utterance_id":734,"speaker_name":99,"text":735,"start_s":736,"end_s":737,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},112,"65351","Es quien tiene el poder en la mano.",656.02,657.5,{"idx":739,"utterance_id":740,"speaker_name":99,"text":741,"start_s":742,"end_s":743,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},113,"65352","No es el ejército el que tiene el poder en la mano, no.",658.48,660.32,{"idx":745,"utterance_id":746,"speaker_name":99,"text":747,"start_s":748,"end_s":749,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},114,"65353","Los burócratas que están sentados allí, en los tres poderes y en el Ministerio Público, son los que tienen el poder en la mano.",660.84,666.66,{"idx":751,"utterance_id":752,"speaker_name":99,"text":753,"start_s":754,"end_s":755,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},115,"65354","Van a resistir de una manera tremenda.",670.62,674.32,{"idx":757,"utterance_id":758,"speaker_name":99,"text":759,"start_s":760,"end_s":761,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},116,"65355","Por eso digo lo siguiente: deberían haber hecho algo más sencillo.",675.58,680.06,{"idx":763,"utterance_id":764,"speaker_name":99,"text":765,"start_s":766,"end_s":767,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},117,"65356","Deberían haber ido al Congreso y pedido una ley delegada.",681.1,683.54,{"idx":769,"utterance_id":770,"speaker_name":99,"text":771,"start_s":772,"end_s":773,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},118,"65357","La ley delegada, la gente habla, pero eso no es autoritario.",685.08,689.86,{"idx":775,"utterance_id":776,"speaker_name":99,"text":777,"start_s":778,"end_s":779,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},119,"65358","No, está en la Constitución, en el artículo 68.",689.92,692.56,{"idx":781,"utterance_id":782,"speaker_name":99,"text":783,"start_s":784,"end_s":785,"word_count":195,"indexable":74},120,"65359","Una cosa clara: es un permiso para hacer una vía rápida, digamos, en las subastas de proyectos, en las PPIs y en las privatizaciones.",693.7,710.16,{"idx":787,"utterance_id":788,"speaker_name":99,"text":789,"start_s":790,"end_s":791,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},121,"65360","Y entonces el Congreso impone condiciones.",710.78,713.14,{"idx":793,"utterance_id":794,"speaker_name":99,"text":795,"start_s":796,"end_s":797,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},122,"65361","No se puede privatizar para gastar en gastos corrientes.",713.94,717.84,{"idx":799,"utterance_id":800,"speaker_name":99,"text":801,"start_s":802,"end_s":803,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},123,"65362","Se debe privatizar para reducir la deuda pública.",717.88,721.34,{"idx":805,"utterance_id":806,"speaker_name":99,"text":807,"start_s":808,"end_s":809,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},124,"65363","No se puede hacer una... cualquiera que sea la privatización, se debe contar con una autorización expresa.",723.8,734.36,{"idx":811,"utterance_id":812,"speaker_name":99,"text":813,"start_s":814,"end_s":815,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},125,"65364","del Congreso.",735.1,736.06,{"idx":817,"utterance_id":818,"speaker_name":99,"text":819,"start_s":820,"end_s":821,"word_count":343,"indexable":74},126,"65365","Entonces, la ley delegada diría lo siguiente: puede hacer esto, esto, esto; no puede privatizar esto, esto, esto; solo vale por 180 días o 210 días, bajo el control del Congreso; así está en la Constitución, que puede suspenderla en cualquier momento si hay un abuso.",736.56,754.1,{"idx":823,"utterance_id":824,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":825,"start_s":826,"end_s":827,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},127,"65366","Hay algunas inquietudes, primero con los militares.",756.64,760.44,{"idx":829,"utterance_id":830,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":831,"start_s":832,"end_s":833,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},128,"65367","Lula, el otro día, se preguntó: ¿dónde están los militares nacionalistas de este país?",762.56,766.6,{"idx":835,"utterance_id":836,"speaker_name":99,"text":837,"start_s":838,"end_s":839,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},129,"65368","Gracias a Dios están en los cuarteles, aprendieron a respetar.",767.24,772.68,{"idx":841,"utterance_id":842,"speaker_name":99,"text":843,"start_s":844,"end_s":845,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},130,"65369","¿Usted cree?",773.06,773.58,{"idx":847,"utterance_id":848,"speaker_name":99,"text":849,"start_s":850,"end_s":851,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},131,"65370","Absoluta.",774,774.82,{"idx":853,"utterance_id":854,"speaker_name":99,"text":855,"start_s":856,"end_s":857,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},132,"65371","Las fuerzas armadas profesionales no tienen nada que ver con ese gobierno que está ahí.",777.12,782.42,{"idx":859,"utterance_id":860,"speaker_name":99,"text":861,"start_s":862,"end_s":863,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},133,"65372","Están ahí para cumplir la Constitución.",784.02,786.42,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":865,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":866,"start_s":867,"end_s":868,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},"65373","Usted hablaba aquí de la agenda del Congreso en relación con el gobierno.",787.42,791.46,{"idx":870,"utterance_id":871,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":872,"start_s":873,"end_s":874,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},135,"65374","Tiene una cosa algo inusual, porque... Al menos en el período de Fernando Henrique Lula, la agenda era del gobierno; el Congreso aprobaba o no, pero el Ejecutivo tenía un protagonismo muy grande.",791.54,804.72,{"idx":876,"utterance_id":877,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":878,"start_s":879,"end_s":880,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},136,"65375","Y hoy usted tiene un doble protagonismo, una cosa extraña.",805.3,807.8,{"idx":882,"utterance_id":883,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":884,"start_s":885,"end_s":886,"word_count":42,"indexable":74},137,"65376","¿No atribuye, en parte, eso al hecho de que Guedes parece no tener en su equipo lo que llamamos 'policymakers', formuladores de política?",808.34,818.46,{"idx":888,"utterance_id":889,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":890,"start_s":891,"end_s":892,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},138,"65377","Usted tiene técnicos reconocidos.",818.5,821.54,{"idx":894,"utterance_id":895,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":896,"start_s":897,"end_s":898,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},139,"65378","Saben llenar una hoja de cálculo, saben hacer un cálculo, saben estudiar el impacto de una medida.",822.18,826.34,{"idx":900,"utterance_id":901,"speaker_name":99,"text":902,"start_s":903,"end_s":904,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},140,"65379","La pérdida del protagonismo del Ejecutivo, desgraciadamente, fue con Dilma.",826.76,835.6,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":906,"speaker_name":99,"text":907,"start_s":908,"end_s":909,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},"65380","Cuando cometieron un error fatal, que fue la elección, la disputa en la elección de Eduardo.",837.16,846.52,{"idx":911,"utterance_id":912,"speaker_name":99,"text":913,"start_s":914,"end_s":915,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},142,"65381","Eduardo 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insensato.",859.48,861.56,{"idx":947,"utterance_id":948,"speaker_name":99,"text":949,"start_s":950,"end_s":951,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},148,"65387","Y Collor está pagando un precio muy alto.",862.52,864.12,{"idx":953,"utterance_id":954,"speaker_name":99,"text":955,"start_s":956,"end_s":957,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},149,"65388","Brasil entero lo está pagando hasta hoy.",864.8,866.18,{"idx":38,"utterance_id":959,"speaker_name":99,"text":960,"start_s":961,"end_s":962,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},"65389","Ahora, creo lo siguiente.",867.3,868.2,{"idx":964,"utterance_id":965,"speaker_name":99,"text":966,"start_s":967,"end_s":968,"word_count":154,"indexable":74},151,"65390","Todos los poderes hoy tienden enormemente a extrapolar su propio poder.",872.28,880.96,{"idx":970,"utterance_id":971,"speaker_name":99,"text":972,"start_s":973,"end_s":974,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},152,"65391","La mayor cosa que 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uno vuelva otra vez a su lugar.",917.12,921.42,{"idx":1006,"utterance_id":1007,"speaker_name":99,"text":1008,"start_s":1009,"end_s":1010,"word_count":154,"indexable":74},158,"65397","Me horroriza cuando veo a la justicia rechazar la ley de abuso de autoridad.",922.66,930.56,{"idx":1012,"utterance_id":1013,"speaker_name":99,"text":1014,"start_s":1015,"end_s":1016,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},159,"65398","Porque cuando el juez dice 'no quiero ser juzgado por otro juez', me muero de miedo.",931.88,936.98,{"idx":1018,"utterance_id":1019,"speaker_name":99,"text":1020,"start_s":1021,"end_s":1022,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},160,"65399","O sea, hay un equívoco.",939.04,942.8,{"idx":1024,"utterance_id":1025,"speaker_name":99,"text":1026,"start_s":1027,"end_s":1028,"word_count":195,"indexable":74},161,"65400","El Ministerio Público, por ejemplo, fue empoderado en la Constitución de 88 con poderes equivalentes a los de los ministerios públicos de todo el mundo.",944.58,955.3,{"idx":1030,"utterance_id":1031,"speaker_name":99,"text":1032,"start_s":1033,"end_s":1034,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},162,"65401","No hay ninguna... Y la lucha contra la corrupción fue con leyes aprobadas por el Congreso, incluso en el gobierno de Dilma.",956.58,965.08,{"idx":1036,"utterance_id":1037,"speaker_name":99,"text":1038,"start_s":1039,"end_s":1040,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},163,"65402","Claramente.",965.24,965.94,{"idx":1042,"utterance_id":1043,"speaker_name":99,"text":1044,"start_s":1045,"end_s":1046,"word_count":211,"indexable":74},164,"65403","Entonces, es lo siguiente: ese intento de separar una justicia pura de una política corrupta produjo un desorden en el que estamos viviendo.",966.12,980.62,{"idx":1048,"utterance_id":1049,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1050,"start_s":1051,"end_s":1052,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},165,"65404","¿Cree usted posible que, con medidas correctivas a corto plazo, podamos volver a encarrilar la situación?",981.36,987.64,{"idx":1054,"utterance_id":1055,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1058,"start_s":1059,"end_s":1060,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},166,"65405","Luis Inacio Lula da Silva","luis-inacio-lula-da-silva","Déjeme decirle, Adário, creo que solo la justicia puede corregir a la justicia.",987.7,992,{"idx":1062,"utterance_id":1063,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1064,"start_s":1065,"end_s":1066,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},167,"65406","Eso forma parte del Estado democrático de derecho.",993.7,997.9,{"idx":1068,"utterance_id":1069,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1070,"start_s":1071,"end_s":1072,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},168,"65407","En mi opinión, el sentido común ya se está restableciendo.",999.4,1006.04,{"idx":1074,"utterance_id":1075,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1076,"start_s":1077,"end_s":1078,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},169,"65408","Veo en el comportamiento del STJ, del propio STF, de jueces, de desembargadores, que todos ellos están evaluando.",1007.14,1018.1,{"idx":1080,"utterance_id":1081,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1082,"start_s":1083,"end_s":1084,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},170,"65409","Es decir, no es posible, en realidad, vivir con el abuso de poder, porque eso desequilibra todo.",1019.02,1028.14,{"idx":1086,"utterance_id":1087,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1088,"start_s":1089,"end_s":1090,"word_count":59,"indexable":74},171,"65410","Le voy a hablar de un personaje abstracto, porque usted tiene una relación, usted es muy escuchado por las corporaciones y asociaciones empresariales.",1029.34,1039.6,{"idx":1092,"utterance_id":1093,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1094,"start_s":1095,"end_s":1096,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},172,"65411","Siempre me pregunto cuál es la naturaleza de la burguesía brasileña.",1041.52,1045.08,{"idx":1098,"utterance_id":1099,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1100,"start_s":1101,"end_s":1102,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},173,"65412","¿Qué es el empresariado brasileño?",1045.28,1047.22,{"idx":1104,"utterance_id":1105,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1106,"start_s":1107,"end_s":1108,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},174,"65413","¿Tiene una mentalidad, tiene un pensamiento, tiene una doctrina, tiene una visión del mundo, tiene pretensiones de que Brasil tenga un papel más destacado en el Consejo de las Naciones?",1047.3,1058.24,{"idx":1110,"utterance_id":1111,"speaker_name":99,"text":1112,"start_s":1113,"end_s":1114,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},175,"65414","Creo que la tuvo alguna vez; hoy no la tiene.",1058.28,1059.4,{"idx":1116,"utterance_id":1117,"speaker_name":99,"text":1118,"start_s":1119,"end_s":1120,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},176,"65415","Hoy hemos perdido completamente la idea de nación.",1060.16,1065.04,{"idx":1122,"utterance_id":1123,"speaker_name":99,"text":1124,"start_s":1125,"end_s":1126,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},177,"65416","Nuestro problema es el siguiente: hasta ahora no sabemos.",1066.88,1070.72,{"idx":1128,"utterance_id":1129,"speaker_name":99,"text":1130,"start_s":1131,"end_s":1132,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},178,"65417","Qué queremos ser en 2050.",1071.46,1072.68,{"idx":1134,"utterance_id":1135,"speaker_name":99,"text":1136,"start_s":1132,"end_s":1137,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},179,"65418","2050 ya está ahí.",1075.62,{"idx":1139,"utterance_id":1140,"speaker_name":99,"text":1141,"start_s":1142,"end_s":1143,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},180,"65419","Nunca hemos discutido lo fundamental.",1077.12,1078.94,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":1145,"speaker_name":99,"text":1146,"start_s":1147,"end_s":1148,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},"65420","Es lo que digo: esa maleza que se apodera de todo no es solo por causa de la desigualdad.",1080.44,1087.66,{"idx":1150,"utterance_id":1151,"speaker_name":99,"text":1152,"start_s":1153,"end_s":1154,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},182,"65421","Porque la desigualdad se puede corregir, incluso, con medidas de políticas públicas adecuadas.",1088.84,1096,{"idx":1156,"utterance_id":1157,"speaker_name":99,"text":1158,"start_s":1159,"end_s":1160,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},183,"65422","Es la incapacidad de darle al ciudadano.",1096.98,1101.04,{"idx":1162,"utterance_id":1163,"speaker_name":99,"text":1164,"start_s":1165,"end_s":1166,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},184,"65423","La esperanza de que él va a ser mejor que el hijo, que el padre.",1102.04,1106.22,{"idx":1168,"utterance_id":1169,"speaker_name":99,"text":1170,"start_s":1171,"end_s":1172,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},185,"65424","Se lo quitamos a ellos, eso es.",1107.98,1109.2,{"idx":1174,"utterance_id":1175,"speaker_name":99,"text":1176,"start_s":1177,"end_s":1178,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},186,"65425","Eso es lo que murió.",1110.22,1111.14,{"idx":1180,"utterance_id":1181,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1182,"start_s":1183,"end_s":1184,"word_count":154,"indexable":74},187,"65426","Esa seguridad de que el hijo tendrá una vida mejor que el padre.",1112.26,1115.5,{"idx":1186,"utterance_id":1187,"speaker_name":99,"text":1188,"start_s":1189,"end_s":1190,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},188,"65427","Eso es algo que Lula supo hacer.",1116.56,1118.42,{"idx":1192,"utterance_id":1193,"speaker_name":99,"text":1194,"start_s":1195,"end_s":1196,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},189,"65428","Lula no alcanzó un 87% de aprobación por accidente, no.",1119.94,1125.66,{"idx":1198,"utterance_id":1199,"speaker_name":99,"text":1200,"start_s":1201,"end_s":1202,"word_count":59,"indexable":74},190,"65429","Es porque el objetivo no explícito, que es realmente... que usted camine hacia el aumento de la igualdad de oportunidades; ¿qué significa eso?",1127.42,1141.3,{"idx":1204,"utterance_id":1205,"speaker_name":99,"text":1206,"start_s":1207,"end_s":1208,"word_count":278,"indexable":74},191,"65430","Significa lo siguiente: que no importa si usted nació en un hogar rico o en el Waldorf Astoria, en una noche con champán y caviar, fue producido por ardor amoroso, o si usted nació por casualidad en una noche lluviosa.",1142.26,1163.2,{"idx":1210,"utterance_id":1211,"speaker_name":99,"text":1212,"start_s":1213,"end_s":1214,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},192,"65431","sin ser deseado, en el Museo Ipiranga.",1163.76,1166.64,{"idx":1216,"utterance_id":1217,"speaker_name":99,"text":1218,"start_s":1219,"end_s":1220,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},193,"65432","Una vez producido, usted es titular de derechos.",1168.14,1171.52,{"idx":1222,"utterance_id":1223,"speaker_name":99,"text":1224,"start_s":1225,"end_s":1226,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},194,"65433","¿De qué derechos?",1172.36,1173.32,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1228,"speaker_name":99,"text":1229,"start_s":1230,"end_s":1231,"word_count":250,"indexable":74},"65434","Del derecho a que la gestante sea atendida, del derecho a tener el parto asistido, del derecho a tener salud y educación, y agua potable y alcantarillado durante sus 15 años.",1174.38,1193.48,{"idx":1233,"utterance_id":1234,"speaker_name":99,"text":1235,"start_s":1236,"end_s":1237,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},196,"65435","¿Por qué?",1195.06,1195.38,{"idx":1239,"utterance_id":1240,"speaker_name":99,"text":1241,"start_s":1242,"end_s":1243,"word_count":290,"indexable":74},197,"65436","Para que cuando lleguen a los 15 años, aquel sujeto que nació en Alarico y ese que nació, por casualidad, en el Museo Olimpiranga, tengan dos piernas cada uno y la misma capacidad de aprehensión del mundo.",1196.5,1212.78,{"idx":1245,"utterance_id":1246,"speaker_name":99,"text":1247,"start_s":1248,"end_s":1249,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},198,"65437","Es decir, su capacidad cognitiva es igual.",1213.42,1216.9,{"idx":1251,"utterance_id":1252,"speaker_name":99,"text":1253,"start_s":1254,"end_s":1255,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},199,"65438","Después viene la carrera.",1217.54,1219.08,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":1257,"speaker_name":99,"text":1258,"start_s":1259,"end_s":1260,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},"65439","Pero la justicia está en la salida, no en la llegada.",1220.28,1224.38,{"idx":1262,"utterance_id":1263,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1264,"start_s":1265,"end_s":1266,"word_count":211,"indexable":74},201,"65440","Y por qué la burguesía hoy tiene tan poco... La tuvo antes, usted ya ocupó cargos tan importantes, ¿usted vio un cuerpo en los empresarios nacionales?",1225.28,1237.26,{"idx":1268,"utterance_id":1269,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1270,"start_s":1271,"end_s":1272,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},202,"65441","Su apoyo al proceso de desarrollo fue completo.",1239.02,1242.94,{"idx":1274,"utterance_id":1275,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1276,"start_s":1277,"end_s":1278,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},203,"65442","Fue un compromiso.",1244.74,1245.76,{"idx":1280,"utterance_id":1281,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1282,"start_s":1283,"end_s":1284,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},204,"65443","En la batalla de 82, 83, cuando hubo la crisis mundial, Brasil pensaba que era Brasil.",1246.84,1254.56,{"idx":1286,"utterance_id":1287,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1288,"start_s":1289,"end_s":1290,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},205,"65444","Su compromiso en la solución de ese problema fue algo primoroso.",1255.98,1261.48,{"idx":1292,"utterance_id":1293,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1294,"start_s":1295,"end_s":1296,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},206,"65445","Un día cualquiera escribí sobre eso.",1261.82,1263.48,{"idx":1298,"utterance_id":1299,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1300,"start_s":1301,"end_s":1302,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},207,"65446","Y el uso de los instrumentos del gobierno.",1264.4,1268.04,{"idx":1304,"utterance_id":1305,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1306,"start_s":1307,"end_s":1308,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},208,"65447","La gente dice que el Banco do Brasil no tiene sentido.",1270.34,1273.84,{"idx":1310,"utterance_id":1311,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1312,"start_s":1313,"end_s":1314,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},209,"65448","El Banco do Brasil es el mejor instrumento de administración de la sociedad económica que uno puede imaginar.",1274.42,1280.68,{"idx":1316,"utterance_id":1317,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1318,"start_s":1319,"end_s":1320,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},210,"65449","¿Jamás privatizaría usted el Banco do Brasil?",1280.72,1282.54,{"idx":1322,"utterance_id":1323,"speaker_name":99,"text":1324,"start_s":1325,"end_s":1326,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},211,"65450","Déjeme decirle.",1283.04,1283.62,{"idx":1328,"utterance_id":1329,"speaker_name":99,"text":1330,"start_s":1331,"end_s":1332,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},212,"65451","Si tengo un problema con la producción de camarón en Ceará, llamo al gerente del Banco do Brasil.",1284.12,1291.96,{"idx":1334,"utterance_id":1335,"speaker_name":99,"text":1336,"start_s":1337,"end_s":1338,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},213,"65452","Al día siguiente, por la mañana, a las siete, está en mi despacho.",1293.4,1296.02,{"idx":1340,"utterance_id":1341,"speaker_name":99,"text":1342,"start_s":1343,"end_s":1344,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},214,"65453","Me explica lo que está pasando con el camarón en Ceará.",1296.74,1299.46,{"idx":1346,"utterance_id":1347,"speaker_name":99,"text":1348,"start_s":1349,"end_s":1350,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},215,"65454","Y sale de allí con una solución para resolverlo.",1300.5,1303.92,{"idx":1352,"utterance_id":1353,"speaker_name":99,"text":1354,"start_s":1355,"end_s":1356,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},216,"65455","El Banco do Brasil es un instrumento.",1305.02,1307.26,{"idx":1358,"utterance_id":1359,"speaker_name":99,"text":1360,"start_s":1361,"end_s":1362,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},217,"65456","Es como el Itamaraty.",1307.68,1309.1,{"idx":1364,"utterance_id":1365,"speaker_name":99,"text":1366,"start_s":1367,"end_s":1368,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},218,"65457","Es un instrumento de administración.",1310.52,1312.58,{"idx":1370,"utterance_id":1371,"speaker_name":99,"text":1372,"start_s":1373,"end_s":1374,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},219,"65458","Usted necesita comprender.",1313.12,1314.44,{"idx":1376,"utterance_id":1377,"speaker_name":99,"text":1378,"start_s":1379,"end_s":1380,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},220,"65459","Usted lo tiene allí.",1314.88,1315.42,{"idx":1382,"utterance_id":1383,"speaker_name":99,"text":1384,"start_s":1385,"end_s":1386,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},221,"65460","5.000 agencias, usted tiene allí 5.000 gerentes y 80.000 empleados que se forman internamente.",1315.44,1326.82,{"idx":1388,"utterance_id":1389,"speaker_name":99,"text":1390,"start_s":1391,"end_s":1392,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},222,"65461","Cuando usted los necesita, están a su disposición.",1328.24,1332.62,{"idx":1394,"utterance_id":1395,"speaker_name":99,"text":1396,"start_s":1397,"end_s":1398,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},223,"65462","Si usted quiere hacer una expansión de exportación, reúne a los 5.000 gerentes, les cuenta cuál es su objetivo, les dice que cada uno saldrá de aquí ahora, cuando llegue a su ciudad.",1333.36,1345.9,{"idx":1400,"utterance_id":1401,"speaker_name":99,"text":1402,"start_s":1403,"end_s":1404,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},224,"65463","Usted verá quién tiene una oportunidad para exportar.",1346.38,1348.58,{"idx":1406,"utterance_id":1407,"speaker_name":99,"text":1408,"start_s":1409,"end_s":1410,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},225,"65464","Y usted va a financiar.",1350.42,1351.42,{"idx":1412,"utterance_id":1413,"speaker_name":99,"text":1414,"start_s":1415,"end_s":1416,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},226,"65465","Y usted dirá, bueno, al que saque el primer lugar le daré un paseo a París durante una semana con la familia.",1352.72,1359.74,{"idx":1418,"utterance_id":1419,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":363,"start_s":1420,"end_s":1421,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},227,"65466",1360.58,1360.88,{"idx":1423,"utterance_id":1424,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1425,"start_s":1426,"end_s":1427,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},228,"65467","Ahora, tengo la impresión de que si usted hiciera una encuesta entre los empresarios sobre si están a favor o en contra de la privatización del Banco do Brasil, es probable que la mayoría esté a favor.",1361.42,1369.76,{"idx":1429,"utterance_id":1430,"speaker_name":99,"text":1431,"start_s":1432,"end_s":1433,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},229,"65468","No lo creo.",1370.14,1370.84,{"idx":1435,"utterance_id":1436,"speaker_name":99,"text":1437,"start_s":1438,"end_s":1439,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},230,"65469","¿No lo cree?",1370.98,1371.52,{"idx":1441,"utterance_id":1442,"speaker_name":99,"text":1443,"start_s":1444,"end_s":1445,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},231,"65470","No.",1372.02,1372.12,{"idx":1447,"utterance_id":1448,"speaker_name":99,"text":1449,"start_s":1450,"end_s":1451,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},232,"65471","En el sistema financiero, sí.",1372.68,1373.9,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1453,"speaker_name":99,"text":1454,"start_s":1455,"end_s":1456,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},"65472","¿En el mercado financiero?",1374.9,1375.8,{"idx":1458,"utterance_id":1459,"speaker_name":99,"text":1460,"start_s":1461,"end_s":1462,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},234,"65473","En el mercado financiero.",1375.84,1376.6,{"idx":1464,"utterance_id":1465,"speaker_name":99,"text":1466,"start_s":1467,"end_s":1468,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},235,"65474","En el mercado productivo, obviamente, no.",1376.98,1378.76,{"idx":1470,"utterance_id":1471,"speaker_name":99,"text":1472,"start_s":1473,"end_s":1474,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},236,"65475","Le voy a decir una cosa: con todas las dificultades, la agricultura y la industria jamás serían lo que son hoy si no hubieran recibido el apoyo del gobierno a través del Banco do Brasil.",1379.54,1394.72,{"idx":1476,"utterance_id":1477,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1478,"start_s":1479,"end_s":1480,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},237,"65476","¿Usted cree que las políticas del BNDES, en términos generales...",1394.82,1399.22,{"idx":1482,"utterance_id":1483,"speaker_name":99,"text":1484,"start_s":1485,"end_s":1486,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},238,"65477","Creo que exageramos; allí hubo una demanda.",1399.38,1401.8,{"idx":1488,"utterance_id":1489,"speaker_name":99,"text":1490,"start_s":1491,"end_s":1492,"word_count":296,"indexable":74},239,"65478","Ahora, el BNDES es un instrumento... muy útil, porque, en condiciones normales, tendrá proyectos sociales que presentan tasas de retorno mucho mayores que las tasas que permite el mercado, que la tasa de interés del mercado.",1402.84,1426.56,{"idx":1494,"utterance_id":1495,"speaker_name":99,"text":1496,"start_s":1497,"end_s":1498,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},240,"65479","¿Qué necesita hacer?",1427.3,1428.24,{"idx":1500,"utterance_id":1501,"speaker_name":99,"text":1502,"start_s":1503,"end_s":1504,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},241,"65480","Entonces, es natural que haya una selección de eso y que haya, en realidad... un complemento del gobierno.",1429.16,1436.34,{"idx":1506,"utterance_id":1507,"speaker_name":99,"text":1508,"start_s":1509,"end_s":1510,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},242,"65481","Usted puede hacer eso por otros caminos.",1436.82,1438.46,{"idx":1512,"utterance_id":1513,"speaker_name":99,"text":1514,"start_s":1515,"end_s":1516,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},243,"65482","Vi en Francia, por ejemplo, cuando quisieron hacer allí un molino de soja, para que la soja flotara.",1439.28,1448.16,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1518,"speaker_name":99,"text":1519,"start_s":1520,"end_s":1521,"word_count":159,"indexable":74},"65483","El Estado no interviene, pero el sujeto se inscribe, gana con su propio proyecto, termina el proyecto.",1448.62,1459.14,{"idx":1523,"utterance_id":1524,"speaker_name":99,"text":1525,"start_s":1526,"end_s":1527,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},245,"65484","El día de la puesta en funcionamiento aparece allí el hombre del tesoro.",1459.9,1463.2,{"idx":1529,"utterance_id":1530,"speaker_name":99,"text":1531,"start_s":1532,"end_s":1533,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},246,"65485","Él dice, mira, el subsidio que acordamos es tanto.",1464.1,1466.58,{"idx":1535,"utterance_id":1536,"speaker_name":99,"text":1537,"start_s":1538,"end_s":1539,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},247,"65486","Está 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