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actualmente... es ministra de Planificación y Presupuesto del Gobierno Federal.",108.08,119.36,27,{"idx":228,"utterance_id":230,"speaker_name":69,"text":231,"start_s":232,"end_s":233,"word_count":234,"indexable":74},"171979","Comenzamos esta entrevista hablando un poco de esa trayectoria política, pero desde el origen, que es una referencia política que me imagino que usted tuvo de forma muy natural dentro de casa.",119.78,133.04,34,{"idx":43,"utterance_id":236,"speaker_name":69,"text":237,"start_s":238,"end_s":239,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},"171980","Rami Stebit fue uno de los políticos más importantes en la historia de la política de Mato Grosso do Sul, fue gobernador del estado, ministro.",133.7,140.96,{"idx":241,"utterance_id":242,"speaker_name":69,"text":243,"start_s":244,"end_s":245,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},29,"171981","Como senador, fue presidente del 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Un lápiz es una taza, ella va a decir hasta el final que esta taza aquí es un lápiz.",185.56,195.62,{"idx":275,"utterance_id":276,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":277,"start_s":278,"end_s":279,"word_count":257,"indexable":74},35,"171987","Entonces, en este momento de tanta polarización, donde Brasil está perdiendo muchas oportunidades de resolver los problemas que importan, al fin y al cabo, somos elegidos para servir al pueblo, por lo tanto tenemos que escuchar al pueblo y ver lo que realmente quiere.",195.76,208.12,{"idx":281,"utterance_id":282,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":283,"start_s":284,"end_s":285,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},36,"171988","Quiere erradicar la miseria, quiere disminuir la pobreza, quiere una calidad de enseñanza, quiere ser bien atendido y tener la medicina en el puesto y salir de allí curado.",208.74,217,{"idx":287,"utterance_id":288,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":289,"start_s":290,"end_s":291,"word_count":292,"indexable":74},37,"171989","Vemos esta... pelea, yo que soy radicalmente del centro y que dialogo tanto con la izquierda como con la derecha, me quedo mirando y me digo: ¿qué estarán pensando o qué estarían haciendo hombres públicos como Tancredo, Ulisses, y grandes hombres públicos como mi padre y otros que nos dejaron?",217.64,235.3,55,{"idx":294,"utterance_id":295,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":296,"start_s":297,"end_s":298,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},38,"171990","Quizá no estaríamos en todo este embrollo.",235.36,237.74,{"idx":300,"utterance_id":301,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":302,"start_s":303,"end_s":304,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},39,"171991","Pero 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que son importantes.",275.16,277.86,{"idx":353,"utterance_id":354,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":355,"start_s":356,"end_s":357,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},48,"172000","Cuando tenía cinco años, mi padre se convirtió en alcalde de mi ciudad.",277.92,280.58,{"idx":359,"utterance_id":360,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":361,"start_s":362,"end_s":363,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},49,"172001","Debía tener unos siete años, él dijo: 'vamos con papá allá que voy a inaugurar una obra'.",281.1,284.9,{"idx":365,"utterance_id":366,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":367,"start_s":368,"end_s":369,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},50,"172002","Y yo estudiaba en una escuela pública.",285.5,286.64,{"idx":268,"utterance_id":371,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":372,"start_s":373,"end_s":374,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},"172003","Fui, había oscuridad, una zona alejada, yo decía: 'gente, no acaba, parece que estoy llegando a un sitio', ¿no?",287.76,292.28,{"idx":376,"utterance_id":377,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":378,"start_s":379,"end_s":380,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},52,"172004","Y de repente llegué al barrio Guanabara, era un barrio muy oscuro que no tenía luz.",292.32,296.7,{"idx":382,"utterance_id":383,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":384,"start_s":385,"end_s":386,"word_count":241,"indexable":74},53,"172005","Allí había mucha gente alrededor, un poste de madera —en aquella época era poste de madera— todo el mundo hizo una cuenta regresiva y de la oscuridad se hizo la luz.",296.84,305.08,{"idx":388,"utterance_id":389,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":390,"start_s":391,"end_s":392,"word_count":393,"indexable":74},54,"172006","Y allí cuando se encendió la luz, después fui a jugar con algunos compañeritos, vi que estudiaban en la misma escuela que yo, comprobé que mientras yo tenía nevera en casa, y por lo tanto tenía derecho a tomar leche fría y todo eso, y tenía luz para poder estudiar por la noche, mis amiguitos estudiaban a la luz de la lamparina.",305.98,321.42,63,{"idx":292,"utterance_id":395,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":396,"start_s":397,"end_s":398,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},"172007","Sigo siendo de esa época.",321.88,324.14,{"idx":400,"utterance_id":401,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":402,"start_s":403,"end_s":404,"word_count":252,"indexable":74},56,"172008","Y allí empecé a ver mucho, y mi padre siempre hablaba mucho de esa cuestión de un país tan rico con tanta desigualdad, porque mis compañeros no tenían lo que yo tenía.",324.64,332.46,{"idx":406,"utterance_id":407,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":408,"start_s":409,"end_s":410,"word_count":252,"indexable":74},57,"172009","Entonces eso se volvió muy fuerte, tanto que decidí... estudiar Derecho, di clases durante 12 años sobre cómo se administra un país, di clases de derecho administrativo a varios jóvenes.",333.16,341.28,{"idx":412,"utterance_id":413,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":414,"start_s":415,"end_s":416,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},58,"172010","aquí hay jueces hoy, defensores públicos.",341.32,343.72,{"idx":418,"utterance_id":419,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":420,"start_s":421,"end_s":422,"word_count":406,"indexable":74},59,"172011","Fueron mis alumnos, servidores públicos hasta el momento en que, trabajando en la Asamblea Legislativa por 6 años dando asistencia a los parlamentarios, mis alumnos que ya eran servidores públicos, llegaron a mi padre y dijeron: 'mira, ahí viene la política, ella tiene que entrar en la política, ella tiene que entrar en la política'.",343.76,360.02,{"idx":424,"utterance_id":425,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":426,"start_s":427,"end_s":428,"word_count":429,"indexable":74},60,"172012","Para resumir y finalizar, porque sé que estas preguntas son muchas, me llevaron cuatro años en ser convencida por mi padre, porque yo decía: 'no, el político eres tú, adoro la política, amo la política, creo que sin política no hacemos nada, pero yo hago política como profesora en el aula, hago política gritando, peleando, discutiendo.'",360.22,376.64,61,{"idx":429,"utterance_id":431,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":432,"start_s":433,"end_s":434,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},"172013","En fin, el resto es historia, todo el mundo lo conoce, ¿no?",377.32,379.66,{"idx":436,"utterance_id":437,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":438,"start_s":439,"end_s":440,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},62,"172014","Y estoy aquí intentando, entre otras cosas, honrar a Mato Grosso do Sul con mucha humildad, ¿no?",379.74,384.58,{"idx":393,"utterance_id":442,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":443,"start_s":444,"end_s":445,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},"172015","Y en un país polarizado, obviamente, agradando a la mitad y desagradando a la otra mitad, pero así, con mucha responsabilidad.",385.34,391.24,{"idx":447,"utterance_id":448,"speaker_name":69,"text":449,"start_s":450,"end_s":451,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},64,"172016","Y como el senador, ¿la familia reaccionó a esa decisión?",391.32,394.1,{"idx":453,"utterance_id":454,"speaker_name":69,"text":455,"start_s":456,"end_s":457,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},65,"172017","Ah, ahora voy a disputar una elección.",394.22,395.6,{"idx":459,"utterance_id":460,"speaker_name":69,"text":461,"start_s":462,"end_s":463,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},66,"172018","¿Fue tranquila?",395.92,396.82,{"idx":465,"utterance_id":466,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":467,"start_s":468,"end_s":469,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},67,"172019","¿Cómo lo recibió su padre?",397.26,398.48,{"idx":471,"utterance_id":472,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":473,"start_s":474,"end_s":475,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},68,"172020","No, mi padre insistió en que yo fuera, ¿no?",398.52,400.1,{"idx":477,"utterance_id":478,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":479,"start_s":480,"end_s":481,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},69,"172021","Y yo me negué durante cuatro años hasta el momento en que dije.",400.18,402.18,{"idx":483,"utterance_id":484,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":485,"start_s":486,"end_s":487,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},70,"172022","Entonces le dije: 'qué bueno, Henrique, que lo preguntes'.",402.2,404.06,{"idx":489,"utterance_id":490,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":491,"start_s":492,"end_s":493,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},71,"172023","Le dije a él: 'está bien, papá, sólo voy a probar'.",404.08,406.42,{"idx":495,"utterance_id":496,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":497,"start_s":498,"end_s":499,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},72,"172024","Voy a ser candidata a diputada estatal y ya está.",406.84,410.96,{"idx":501,"utterance_id":502,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":503,"start_s":504,"end_s":505,"word_count":281,"indexable":74},73,"172025","No estuve cuatro años como diputada estatal, porque un día mi padre me dijo así, él ya estaba... él estaba bien, de salud, mi padre luchó contra el cáncer 20 años, ¿no?",411.66,419.08,{"idx":507,"utterance_id":508,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":509,"start_s":510,"end_s":511,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},74,"172026","Pero tenía altibajos, estaba bien durante 5 años.",419.6,421.7,{"idx":513,"utterance_id":514,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":515,"start_s":516,"end_s":517,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},75,"172027","bien, luego venía una recaída y tal.",421.78,423.32,{"idx":519,"utterance_id":520,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":521,"start_s":522,"end_s":523,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},76,"172028","Entonces él se volvió y dijo.",423.72,424.26,{"idx":525,"utterance_id":526,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":527,"start_s":528,"end_s":529,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},77,"172029","así: 'voy a perder en Três Lagoas, nuestra ciudad, quería que tú fueras candidata a alcaldesa.'",424.28,428.56,{"idx":531,"utterance_id":532,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":533,"start_s":534,"end_s":535,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},78,"172030","Yo dije: 'pero acabo de ser elegida diputada estatal, tengo un año y medio de mandato.'",428.58,432.12,{"idx":537,"utterance_id":538,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":539,"start_s":540,"end_s":541,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},79,"172031","Él dijo: 'pero no quiero morir sin volver algún día a ser alcalde de Três Lagoas y haría eso a través de ti.'",432.9,439.02,{"idx":543,"utterance_id":544,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":545,"start_s":546,"end_s":547,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},80,"172032","Y él estaba super bien.",439.06,439.92,{"idx":549,"utterance_id":550,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":551,"start_s":552,"end_s":553,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},81,"172033","Entonces yo dije: 'sabes una cosa, voy a perder la elección.'",440.72,442.28,{"idx":555,"utterance_id":556,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":557,"start_s":558,"end_s":559,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},82,"172034","Acabo de ser elegida diputada estatal, no voy a... Esa cosa de buena hija, no le voy a negar eso a mi padre.",442.72,447.44,{"idx":561,"utterance_id":562,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":563,"start_s":564,"end_s":565,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},83,"172035","Y, obviamente, por causa de él también, que era muy querido, acabé ganando la elección.",447.98,452.34,{"idx":567,"utterance_id":568,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":569,"start_s":570,"end_s":571,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},84,"172036","Y, en el primer año, mi padre no pudo ir a la diplomación, porque fue cuando descubrió que el cáncer había regresado a su vida.",453.2,458.76,{"idx":573,"utterance_id":574,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":575,"start_s":576,"end_s":577,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},85,"172037","Un año después, falleció.",458.82,460,{"idx":579,"utterance_id":580,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":581,"start_s":582,"end_s":583,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},86,"172038","Y yo digo que ese honor lo tengo, y no tengo ese pesar por no haber rehusado, al final, la última petición que él me hizo.",460.66,470.54,{"idx":585,"utterance_id":586,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":587,"start_s":588,"end_s":589,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},87,"172039","Y tuve el privilegio de estar en el lugar correcto, en el momento correcto, en Três Lagos.",471.08,474.36,{"idx":591,"utterance_id":592,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":593,"start_s":594,"end_s":595,"word_count":294,"indexable":74},88,"172040","Ustedes de TV Morena llegaron con nosotros allí, aunque ya la tenían, pero todavía no tenían la sede, en fin, no sé cómo la llaman allí, no entiendo nada de comunicación, la redistribuidora, pero ustedes no la tenían...",474.44,484.5,{"idx":597,"utterance_id":598,"speaker_name":69,"text":599,"start_s":600,"end_s":601,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},89,"172041","¿Esa oficina, no?",485.48,486.52,{"idx":603,"utterance_id":604,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":605,"start_s":606,"end_s":607,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},90,"172042","Es una oficina, ¿no?",486.56,487.52,{"idx":609,"utterance_id":610,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":611,"start_s":612,"end_s":613,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},91,"172043","Llegaron con nosotros allí y vieron el progreso.",487.78,489.68,{"idx":615,"utterance_id":616,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":617,"start_s":618,"end_s":619,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},92,"172044","Estábamos en el lugar correcto, en el momento correcto, porque conseguí ir a los Estados Unidos para traer la fábrica de celulosa.",489.7,494.2,{"idx":621,"utterance_id":622,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":623,"start_s":624,"end_s":625,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},93,"172045","Y ahora Brasil, Três Lagoas y Mato Grosso do Sul, no tienen solo una que sea la más grande del mundo.",494.48,499.86,{"idx":627,"utterance_id":628,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":629,"start_s":630,"end_s":631,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},94,"172046","Ya tenemos cuatro y estamos construyendo la quinta.",499.9,501.9,{"idx":633,"utterance_id":634,"speaker_name":69,"text":635,"start_s":636,"end_s":637,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},95,"172047","Una referencia para todo el mundo.",501.92,503,{"idx":639,"utterance_id":640,"speaker_name":69,"text":641,"start_s":642,"end_s":643,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},96,"172048","Quisiera volver rápidamente a la cuestión del senador Rames, porque tenía un perfil muy conocido de conciliador.",503.38,509.86,{"idx":645,"utterance_id":646,"speaker_name":69,"text":647,"start_s":648,"end_s":649,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},97,"172049","¿Usted bebió de esa fuente o hoy en día es difícil conciliar?",510.58,513.36,{"idx":651,"utterance_id":652,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":653,"start_s":654,"end_s":655,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},98,"172050","Ah, soy una persona extremadamente partidaria del diálogo.",513.78,516.88,{"idx":657,"utterance_id":658,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":659,"start_s":660,"end_s":661,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},99,"172051","Por eso digo, soy radicalmente del centro.",517.22,519.3,{"idx":663,"utterance_id":664,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":665,"start_s":666,"end_s":667,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},100,"172052","Es difícil.",519.74,520.34,{"idx":669,"utterance_id":670,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":671,"start_s":672,"end_s":673,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},101,"172053","La persona que no quiera hablar conmigo es porque no quiere.",520.36,522.54,{"idx":675,"utterance_id":676,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":677,"start_s":678,"end_s":679,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},102,"172054","Yo converso desde el PL (Partido Liberal), que hoy está en una posición más hacia la derecha, hasta el PSOL, sin... ningún problema.",523.04,528.14,{"idx":681,"utterance_id":682,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":683,"start_s":684,"end_s":685,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},103,"172055","Sin absolutamente ninguna discriminación.",528.84,530.66,{"idx":687,"utterance_id":688,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":689,"start_s":690,"end_s":691,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},104,"172056","Fui criada para no discriminar absolutamente nada.",530.92,534.04,{"idx":693,"utterance_id":694,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":695,"start_s":696,"end_s":697,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},105,"172057","No pienso que mi religión sea mejor, aunque soy católica.",535.16,537.96,{"idx":699,"utterance_id":700,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":701,"start_s":702,"end_s":703,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},106,"172058","No creo que mi orientación sexual sea mejor.",538.28,540.2,{"idx":705,"utterance_id":706,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":707,"start_s":708,"end_s":709,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},107,"172059","No creo que mi posición política sea mejor.",540.68,542.8,{"idx":711,"utterance_id":712,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":713,"start_s":714,"end_s":715,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},108,"172060","Creo que tenemos pensamientos diferentes, tenemos acciones diferentes.",543.2,546.66,{"idx":717,"utterance_id":718,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":719,"start_s":720,"end_s":721,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},109,"172061","Y lo que hace una gran nación, especialmente en una democracia, es la convergencia de los diferentes.",546.78,552.74,{"idx":723,"utterance_id":724,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":725,"start_s":726,"end_s":727,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},110,"172062","Es ser diferentes; la belleza está en ser diferentes.",552.9,555.86,{"idx":729,"utterance_id":730,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":731,"start_s":732,"end_s":733,"word_count":429,"indexable":74},111,"172063","Lo triste es que hoy, ¿no?, ni siquiera conseguimos sentarnos a la mesa el fin de semana a comer una feijoada o un plato de pasta sin acabar peleando, porque antes era por el equipo de fútbol, hasta ahí todo bien, porque se iba a la mesa del bar y se resolvía después, ¿no?, pero ahora por cuestiones partidarias e ideológicas, como si Lula o Bolsonaro supieran quiénes somos.",556.6,574.46,{"idx":735,"utterance_id":736,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":737,"start_s":738,"end_s":739,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},112,"172064","Dejamos la amistad de lado, la familia de lado, porque creemos que Bolsonaro sabe quiénes somos, o incluso el presidente Lula sabe quiénes somos, ¿cómo es eso?",574.96,581.68,{"idx":741,"utterance_id":742,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":743,"start_s":744,"end_s":745,"word_count":300,"indexable":74},113,"172065","Entonces, así, no lo consigo, tengo 55 años de edad, hago política desde prácticamente mis cinco años con mi padre, pero no estoy logrando ver al pueblo brasileño con el que fui criada.",582.16,594.56,{"idx":747,"utterance_id":748,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":749,"start_s":750,"end_s":751,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},114,"172066","No consigo entender qué fue lo que salió tan mal para que la gente trajera tanto odio de un lado y del otro.",594.68,600.9,{"idx":753,"utterance_id":754,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":755,"start_s":756,"end_s":757,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},115,"172067","No estamos aquí defendiendo nada.",601.86,604.3,{"idx":759,"utterance_id":760,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":761,"start_s":762,"end_s":763,"word_count":513,"indexable":74},116,"172068","Tanto odio en el corazón y tanta... y tanta miopía de no ver, que cuando nos ponemos a aplicar, a veces incluso por cuestiones de costumbres, hay un niño en la calle pasando hambre, hay una madre desesperada que es golpeada todos los días dentro de casa, porque no tiene autonomía financiera para salir con sus hijos y un techo donde vivir, entonces ella prefiere recibir golpes, ser violentada, a veces por un compañero, porque no tiene el espacio.",604.8,630,{"idx":765,"utterance_id":766,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":767,"start_s":768,"end_s":769,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},117,"172069","Entonces, ese tipo de situación, esto... Esa indignación la tengo y la tendré y siempre hablaré en contra de eso.",630.04,639.1,{"idx":771,"utterance_id":772,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":773,"start_s":774,"end_s":775,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},118,"172070","por dondequiera que vaya, Fabiano.",639.42,640.58,{"idx":777,"utterance_id":778,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":779,"start_s":780,"end_s":781,"word_count":275,"indexable":74},119,"172071","Y no voy a dejar la política, a menos que me detengan, el voto es del pueblo; mientras Brasil no vuelva a la normalidad del sentido común, del equilibrio, de saber respetar a quien piensa distinto.",641.34,651.54,{"idx":783,"utterance_id":784,"speaker_name":69,"text":785,"start_s":786,"end_s":787,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},120,"172072","Hable ahora un poco sobre cuestiones que interesan a Brasil y también al Estado.",653.36,657.6,{"idx":789,"utterance_id":790,"speaker_name":69,"text":791,"start_s":792,"end_s":793,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},121,"172073","La fábrica de fertilizantes de 3 agujas.",658.54,661.14,{"idx":795,"utterance_id":796,"speaker_name":69,"text":797,"start_s":798,"end_s":799,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},122,"172074","Hace 11 años que está parada, en algo más del 80 por ciento.",661.82,665.78,{"idx":801,"utterance_id":802,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":803,"start_s":804,"end_s":805,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},123,"172075","Yo fui alcaldesa y doné esa área a Petrobras.",666.08,669.08,{"idx":807,"utterance_id":808,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":809,"start_s":810,"end_s":811,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},124,"172076","Y tenga en cuenta que dejé de ser alcaldesa en 2010.",669.24,671.12,{"idx":813,"utterance_id":814,"speaker_name":69,"text":815,"start_s":816,"end_s":817,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},125,"172077","Una novela que usted conoce bien.",672.18,674.22,{"idx":819,"utterance_id":820,"speaker_name":69,"text":821,"start_s":822,"end_s":823,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},126,"172078","Creo que se detuvo en 2014.",674.24,675.22,{"idx":825,"utterance_id":826,"speaker_name":69,"text":827,"start_s":828,"end_s":829,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},127,"172079","Se paró, en 2014.",675.26,675.7,{"idx":831,"utterance_id":832,"speaker_name":69,"text":833,"start_s":834,"end_s":835,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},128,"172080","Bueno, ¿qué pasó allí?",675.72,680,{"idx":837,"utterance_id":838,"speaker_name":69,"text":839,"start_s":840,"end_s":841,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},129,"172081","Petrobras sigue siendo propietaria del emprendimiento; había dos empresas, un consorcio chino y una brasileña llevando adelante la obra.",680.42,687.54,{"idx":843,"utterance_id":844,"speaker_name":69,"text":845,"start_s":846,"end_s":847,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},130,"172082","Pero en algún momento... Las dos empresas abandonaron y no hubo un reemplazo allí.",688.34,693.42,{"idx":849,"utterance_id":850,"speaker_name":69,"text":851,"start_s":852,"end_s":853,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},131,"172083","¿Qué ocurrió de hecho allí, ministra?",693.76,695.86,{"idx":855,"utterance_id":856,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":857,"start_s":858,"end_s":859,"word_count":241,"indexable":74},132,"172084","Tiene todo que ver con lo que vine a hacer hoy en la Cámara de Concejales, que es hablar del Brasil que queremos para los próximos 25 años.",696.18,702.6,{"idx":861,"utterance_id":862,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":863,"start_s":864,"end_s":865,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},133,"172085","Qué Brasil queremos y tendremos en 2030, en 35, en 2040 hasta 2050.",702.94,707.22,{"idx":867,"utterance_id":868,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":869,"start_s":870,"end_s":871,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},134,"172086","Brasil no tiene cultura de planificar.",707.24,710.2,{"idx":62,"utterance_id":873,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":874,"start_s":875,"end_s":876,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},"172087","El mundo hace eso.",710.58,711.42,{"idx":878,"utterance_id":879,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":880,"start_s":881,"end_s":882,"word_count":323,"indexable":74},136,"172088","China tiene una planificación, por así decirlo, de 50 años; Europa, yo estuve ahí, es de 25 años; lo mismo Estados Unidos y demás; Brasil hace planificación como máximo de 4 años, en cada elección cambia todo.",711.78,724.68,{"idx":884,"utterance_id":885,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":886,"start_s":887,"end_s":888,"word_count":300,"indexable":74},137,"172089","Entonces, en la época de... no sé si fue durante Dilma I o Lula II, digo que fue en Dilma I, la presidenta Dilma decidió entonces que Petrobras iba a... hacer inversiones en el sector de fertilizantes.",725.26,738.16,{"idx":890,"utterance_id":891,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":892,"start_s":893,"end_s":894,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},138,"172090","Y creó una gran planificación estratégica sobre eso, de aquella época.",738.5,743.5,{"idx":896,"utterance_id":897,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":898,"start_s":899,"end_s":900,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},139,"172091","Lo sé porque yo estaba allí; yo era alcaldesa, recibí a la presidenta de Petrobras allí.",743.58,746.68,{"idx":902,"utterance_id":903,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":904,"start_s":905,"end_s":906,"word_count":294,"indexable":74},140,"172092","Después vino el impeachment de la presidenta Dilma; el presidente Temer entendió que no debía hacer más inversiones en fertilizantes, porque llegó Lava Jato, Petrobras quedó en una situación más debilitada, así que vamos a enfocarnos solo en petróleo.",747.34,759.12,{"idx":908,"utterance_id":909,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":910,"start_s":911,"end_s":912,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},141,"172093","Entonces vamos a desinvertir en fertilizantes.",759.28,761.9,{"idx":51,"utterance_id":914,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":915,"start_s":916,"end_s":917,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},"172094","Y ahí se detuvo.",762.22,762.72,{"idx":919,"utterance_id":920,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":921,"start_s":922,"end_s":923,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},143,"172095","Cuando llegó el presidente Bolsonaro dijo: vamos a vender la fábrica.",763.56,766.32,{"idx":925,"utterance_id":926,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":927,"start_s":928,"end_s":929,"word_count":347,"indexable":74},144,"172096","Entonces, de nuevo, no estoy culpando a nadie, estoy contando la historia como es. La presidenta Hummel decidió hacer la fábrica; el presidente Temer dijo: mira, ya no le corresponde a Petrobras encargarse de los fertilizantes, porque está en una situación que necesita reajustarse.",766.5,778.5,{"idx":931,"utterance_id":932,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":933,"start_s":934,"end_s":935,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},145,"172097","Y entonces... El presidente Temer estuvo poco tiempo; llegó el presidente Bolsonaro y dijo: vamos a vender.",778.92,784.22,{"idx":937,"utterance_id":938,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":939,"start_s":940,"end_s":941,"word_count":359,"indexable":74},146,"172098","Pero yo descubrí, porque mi área es esa, soy profesora de derecho de los contratos administrativos, lo miré y dije: espera, en el pliego de venta de esa fábrica, que ya está 85% terminada, no consta que quien gane tenga que terminar la fábrica como fábrica de fertilizantes.",784.82,800.74,{"idx":943,"utterance_id":944,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":945,"start_s":946,"end_s":947,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},147,"172099","Así que podrá hacer una mera mezcladora; en vez de generar 2.000 empleos, generará solo 100.",801.36,805.8,{"idx":949,"utterance_id":950,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":951,"start_s":952,"end_s":953,"word_count":257,"indexable":74},148,"172100","En lugar de producir fertilizantes baratos para nuestro agronegocio, para que podamos poner comida más barata en la mesa del brasileño, vamos a seguir teniendo que comprar fertilizantes a Rusia, a Ucrania, porque quien ganó, inclusive, era una empresa rusa.",806.4,818.98,{"idx":955,"utterance_id":956,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":957,"start_s":958,"end_s":959,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},149,"172101","¿Crees que Rusia, queriendo construir la fábrica aquí, dejará a la gallina de los huevos de oro, que es Brasil, dejar de comprar de allí?",819,826.24,{"idx":961,"utterance_id":962,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":963,"start_s":964,"end_s":965,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},150,"172102","Entonces dije: no puede ser.",826.36,827.28,{"idx":967,"utterance_id":968,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":969,"start_s":970,"end_s":971,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},151,"172103","Y fui al Senado, fui a Petrobras y nosotros paralizamos.",827.78,830.22,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":973,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":974,"start_s":975,"end_s":976,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},"172104","analizó y dijo que no.",830.24,830.96,{"idx":978,"utterance_id":979,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":980,"start_s":981,"end_s":982,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},153,"172105","De esa manera, no.",831.84,832.56,{"idx":984,"utterance_id":985,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":986,"start_s":987,"end_s":988,"word_count":477,"indexable":74},154,"172106","Cuando el presidente Lula asumió, lo primero que hice en ese momento con el presidente Jean-Paul Prats; el presidente Jean-Paul asumió un compromiso con nosotros, vino a Três Lagos y dijo: vamos a pasar por el Consejo de Administración de Petrobras, son varios socios; vamos a mostrar la importancia de esa fábrica para Mato Grosso do Sul, para el Centro-Oeste, para Brasil, para la alimentación brasileña, y la retomaremos.",833.02,854.56,{"idx":990,"utterance_id":991,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":992,"start_s":993,"end_s":994,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},155,"172107","Y ahora está, y el proyecto está avanzando; es un proyecto largo, son 5.000 millones de reales; todo eso está hecho.",855.5,860.96,{"idx":996,"utterance_id":997,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":998,"start_s":999,"end_s":1000,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},156,"172108","con mucho detalle.",860.98,861.72,{"idx":1002,"utterance_id":1003,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1004,"start_s":1005,"end_s":1006,"word_count":597,"indexable":74},157,"172109","Resumen de la ópera: debido ahora a la crisis, a la guerra Israel-Irán, quienes estaban presentando las propuestas pidieron un poco más; no es solo por eso, incertidumbres, Trump y todo eso; pidieron un poco más de plazo para presentar las propuestas, así que tendremos hasta finales de agosto, probablemente septiembre, algunas propuestas presentadas; las dividimos en lotes para terminar, y si todo va bien, ya en enero, febrero, tendremos condiciones de firmar el contrato para la reanudación de la fábrica, que lleva... un año y medio para terminar.",862,892.46,{"idx":1008,"utterance_id":1009,"speaker_name":69,"text":1010,"start_s":1011,"end_s":1012,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},158,"172110","Hay más inversión para retomar la obra también, ¿no, ministra?",892.78,895.08,{"idx":1014,"utterance_id":1015,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1016,"start_s":1017,"end_s":1018,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},159,"172111","Porque son 5.000 millones en inversión.",895.38,897.46,{"idx":1020,"utterance_id":1021,"speaker_name":69,"text":1022,"start_s":1023,"end_s":1024,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},160,"172112","La propietaria sigue siendo Petrobras.",897.72,899.12,{"idx":1026,"utterance_id":1027,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1028,"start_s":1029,"end_s":1030,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},161,"172113","Entonces Petrobras pagará a las empresas.",899.14,901.22,{"idx":1032,"utterance_id":1033,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1034,"start_s":1035,"end_s":1036,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},162,"172114","Y si en el futuro, una vez terminada, el próximo presidente quisiera vender, eso será otra situación.",901.8,907.02,{"idx":1038,"utterance_id":1039,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1040,"start_s":1041,"end_s":1042,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},163,"172115","La situación es así: yo inicié esta fábrica como alcaldesa, ¿no?, y quiero dejar el ministerio con esto encaminado también.",907.54,915.42,{"idx":1044,"utterance_id":1045,"speaker_name":69,"text":1046,"start_s":1047,"end_s":1048,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},164,"172116","Ministra, esta discontinuidad... ¿Cuánto se siente la falta de esta fábrica hoy, no?",915.72,920.8,{"idx":1050,"utterance_id":1051,"speaker_name":69,"text":1052,"start_s":1053,"end_s":1054,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},165,"172117","Pues sí.",921.24,922,{"idx":1056,"utterance_id":1057,"speaker_name":69,"text":1058,"start_s":1059,"end_s":1060,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},166,"172118","Un poco por esta guerra reciente.",922.06,924.58,{"idx":1062,"utterance_id":1063,"speaker_name":69,"text":1064,"start_s":1065,"end_s":1066,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},167,"172119","Con Brasil produciendo tanto y teniendo que...",924.68,928,{"idx":1068,"utterance_id":1069,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1070,"start_s":1066,"end_s":1071,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},168,"172120","El 85% de los fertilizantes de Brasil son importados.",934.84,{"idx":1073,"utterance_id":1074,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1075,"start_s":1076,"end_s":1077,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},169,"172121","Pagamos en dólares.",934.86,935.94,{"idx":1079,"utterance_id":1080,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1081,"start_s":1082,"end_s":1083,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},170,"172122","Por eso se produce caro.",936.02,937.32,{"idx":1085,"utterance_id":1086,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1087,"start_s":1088,"end_s":1089,"word_count":287,"indexable":74},171,"172123","Por eso, desde la agricultura familiar, que es quien pone la comida —arroz y frijol— en la mesa, hasta el gran agro, al que yo pertenezco, ya sea la soja, la caña, el maíz, necesitas fertilizantes para producir, para tener productividad.",938.16,949.14,{"idx":1091,"utterance_id":1092,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1093,"start_s":1094,"end_s":1095,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},172,"172124","Entonces, pagas en dólares, vas a vender.",949.16,951.7,{"idx":1097,"utterance_id":1098,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1099,"start_s":1100,"end_s":1101,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},173,"172125","Más caro también, ¿no?",952.34,953.28,{"idx":1103,"utterance_id":1104,"speaker_name":69,"text":1105,"start_s":1106,"end_s":1107,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},174,"172126","Y entonces, solo para puntualizar los plazos, hasta ahora agosto...",954.66,958,{"idx":1109,"utterance_id":1110,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1111,"start_s":1112,"end_s":1113,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},175,"172127","Puede ser, ahora estamos.",959.4,960.52,{"idx":1115,"utterance_id":1116,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1117,"start_s":1118,"end_s":1119,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},176,"172128","Vamos a esperar los acontecimientos externos, pero está en el plan.",960.94,963.94,{"idx":1121,"utterance_id":1122,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1123,"start_s":1124,"end_s":1125,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},177,"172129","Lo importante es... Fue aprobado el plan de trabajo; el consejo administrativo de la administración de Petrobras dio el visto bueno el año pasado.",963.96,969.96,{"idx":1127,"utterance_id":1128,"speaker_name":69,"text":1129,"start_s":1130,"end_s":1131,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},178,"172130","Para retomar el sector.",969.98,970.78,{"idx":1133,"utterance_id":1134,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1135,"start_s":1136,"end_s":1137,"word_count":365,"indexable":74},179,"172131","Se hizo el proyecto con mucho criterio, proyecto básico, proyecto ejecutivo; el proyecto ya está en marcha; si todo va bien este año, esta licitación —por llamarla así— ya a principios del año que viene tenemos condiciones de condicionar a Petrobras a firmar el contrato de construcción de la fábrica.",972.72,988.4,{"idx":1139,"utterance_id":1140,"speaker_name":69,"text":1141,"start_s":1142,"end_s":1143,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},180,"172132","Quisiera tocar aún en esa cuestión de la fábrica, ministra.",988.88,991.6,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1145,"speaker_name":69,"text":1146,"start_s":1147,"end_s":1148,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},"172133","La fábrica fue pensada, construida para aprovechar el gas natural boliviano.",992.74,997.6,{"idx":1150,"utterance_id":1151,"speaker_name":69,"text":1152,"start_s":1153,"end_s":1154,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},182,"172134","Bueno, por lo que hemos oído, Bolivia está teniendo dificultades para atender la demanda de gas.",999.6,1004.98,{"idx":1156,"utterance_id":1157,"speaker_name":69,"text":1158,"start_s":1159,"end_s":1160,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},183,"172135","No sé si faltó inversión allí o si no hubo, no hay tanto gas como parecía que había.",1005.06,1011.2,{"idx":1162,"utterance_id":1163,"speaker_name":69,"text":1164,"start_s":1165,"end_s":1166,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},184,"172136","En el caso, por ejemplo, de que la planta comience a operar, ¿no habría problema de insumos?",1012.36,1019.4,{"idx":1168,"utterance_id":1169,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1170,"start_s":1171,"end_s":1172,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},185,"172137","Por eso se tomó dos años para ver de qué forma Petrobras no terminará una fábrica si no tiene el insumo.",1020.44,1025.52,{"idx":1174,"utterance_id":1175,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1176,"start_s":1177,"end_s":1178,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},186,"172138","Pero usted tiene absoluta razón.",1025.84,1026.96,{"idx":1180,"utterance_id":1181,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1182,"start_s":1183,"end_s":1184,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},187,"172139","Bolivia, por cuestiones políticas, administrativas y financieras, no tiene capacidad de financiación ni nada; se detuvo.",1027.24,1035.08,{"idx":1186,"utterance_id":1187,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1188,"start_s":1189,"end_s":1190,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},188,"172140","Las inversiones.",1035.76,1036.56,{"idx":1192,"utterance_id":1193,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1194,"start_s":1195,"end_s":1196,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},189,"172141","Ellos tienen mucho gas; lo que falta es inversión.",1036.58,1038.42,{"idx":1198,"utterance_id":1199,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1200,"start_s":1201,"end_s":1202,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},190,"172142","Tanto que yo abogo...",1038.52,1039.38,{"idx":1204,"utterance_id":1205,"speaker_name":69,"text":1206,"start_s":1207,"end_s":1208,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},191,"172143","Hay que extraer el gas, ¿no?",1039.46,1040.3,{"idx":1210,"utterance_id":1211,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1212,"start_s":1213,"end_s":1214,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},192,"172144","Exactamente.",1040.4,1041,{"idx":1216,"utterance_id":1217,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1218,"start_s":1219,"end_s":1220,"word_count":300,"indexable":74},193,"172145","Que Petrobras esté aquí, haciéndose socia, obviamente, nadie va a desperdiciar dinero; Petrobras aún debe fortalecerse, tiene que hacer inversión en Bolivia, para el bien de Mato Grosso do Sul y de Brasil.",1041.06,1050.06,{"idx":1222,"utterance_id":1223,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1224,"start_s":1225,"end_s":1226,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},194,"172146","Se convierte en socia, perfora, tiene experiencia, tiene recursos y traemos más gas.",1050.36,1055.64,{"idx":1228,"utterance_id":1229,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1230,"start_s":1231,"end_s":1232,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},195,"172147","Entonces, esa es una opción.",1055.66,1056.62,{"idx":1234,"utterance_id":1235,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1236,"start_s":1237,"end_s":1238,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},196,"172148","¿Sería esa una opción?",1057.04,1057.9,{"idx":1240,"utterance_id":1241,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1242,"start_s":1243,"end_s":1244,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},197,"172149","La segunda opción sería traer una parte del gas que la propia Petrobras ya produce.",1058.24,1061.88,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1246,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1247,"start_s":1248,"end_s":1249,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},"172150","Necesitamos 2 millones de metros cúbicos.",1061.92,1063.64,{"idx":1251,"utterance_id":1252,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1253,"start_s":1254,"end_s":1255,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},199,"172151","Petrobras produce más de 20.",1064.04,1065.62,{"idx":1257,"utterance_id":1258,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1259,"start_s":1260,"end_s":1261,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},200,"172152","Entonces lo sacaría de algún lugar para poder traerlo aquí.",1066.02,1068.88,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1263,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1264,"start_s":1265,"end_s":1266,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},"172153","O la Vaca Muerta de Argentina.",1069.42,1071.52,{"idx":1268,"utterance_id":1269,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1270,"start_s":1271,"end_s":1272,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},202,"172154","Argentina también tiene interés en atravesar vía Paraguay y traer gas a Brasil.",1071.54,1076.96,{"idx":1274,"utterance_id":1275,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1276,"start_s":1277,"end_s":1278,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},203,"172155","Entonces, las alternativas... están sobre la mesa; nadie hace una inversión de 5.000 millones y después dice: ahora vamos a ver de dónde vamos a traerlo.",1077,1085.14,{"idx":1280,"utterance_id":1281,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1282,"start_s":1283,"end_s":1284,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},204,"172156","Hay alternativas, pero usted tiene razón; tocó un punto crucial que está siendo analizado con mucho criterio por Petrobras.",1085.54,1093.2,{"idx":1286,"utterance_id":1287,"speaker_name":69,"text":1288,"start_s":1289,"end_s":1290,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},205,"172157","Tiene que haber esa garantía de que abastecerá la operación; todo eso forma parte.",1093.22,1097.48,{"idx":1292,"utterance_id":1293,"speaker_name":69,"text":1294,"start_s":1295,"end_s":1296,"word_count":465,"indexable":74},206,"172158","Además, el propio Estado siente esa oscilación de la producción del gas boliviano; el propio Estado de Mato Grosso do Sul, en su cuestión económica, porque la recaudación se queda... Hablemos de la elección presidencial, un capítulo importante en esta trayectoria política suya, porque usted decide presentarse como candidata en la última elección presidencial, caminando como una tercera vía en ese campo polarizado y recibió entonces esa votación bastante expresiva.",1097.62,1132.86,{"idx":1298,"utterance_id":1299,"speaker_name":69,"text":1300,"start_s":1301,"end_s":1302,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},207,"172159","¿Tuvo usted apoyo?",1134,1135.64,{"idx":1304,"utterance_id":1305,"speaker_name":69,"text":1306,"start_s":1307,"end_s":1308,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},208,"172160","¿Del partido, empezando por el MDB fue... ¿Caminó junto a usted sin rupturas o hubo alguna?",1136.26,1145.14,{"idx":1310,"utterance_id":1311,"speaker_name":69,"text":1312,"start_s":1313,"end_s":1314,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},209,"172161","Solo un poco, volviendo un poquito antes.",1145.22,1147.02,{"idx":1316,"utterance_id":1317,"speaker_name":69,"text":1318,"start_s":1319,"end_s":1320,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},210,"172162","¿Quién llegó a usted y le dijo: Simone, te necesitamos?",1148.5,1151.48,{"idx":1322,"utterance_id":1323,"speaker_name":69,"text":1324,"start_s":1325,"end_s":1326,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},211,"172163","Me llevé un susto tremendo.",1151.52,1153.56,{"idx":1328,"utterance_id":1329,"speaker_name":69,"text":1330,"start_s":1331,"end_s":1332,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},212,"172164","Para la presidencia.",1153.68,1155.7,{"idx":1334,"utterance_id":1335,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1336,"start_s":1337,"end_s":1338,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},213,"172165","Yo ya estaba pensando en tener un año de estudio.",1156.5,1159.66,{"idx":1340,"utterance_id":1341,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1342,"start_s":1343,"end_s":1344,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},214,"172166","Estaba pensando así, dije: mira, quizá no me presente a nada, me quedo dos o cuatro años.",1160.02,1164.26,{"idx":1346,"utterance_id":1347,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1348,"start_s":1349,"end_s":1350,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},215,"172167","Como dije, ya estoy en política desde hace muchos años, con más de cinco mandatos consecutivos.",1164.98,1169.96,{"idx":1352,"utterance_id":1353,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1354,"start_s":1355,"end_s":1356,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},216,"172168","Fui alcaldesa y reelegida alcaldesa, diputada, senadora por ocho años.",1170.14,1173.92,{"idx":285,"utterance_id":1358,"speaker_name":69,"text":1359,"start_s":1360,"end_s":1361,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},"172169","No paró, ¿no?",1173.94,1174.5,{"idx":1363,"utterance_id":1364,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1365,"start_s":1366,"end_s":1367,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},218,"172170","No paré, tuve la oportunidad de ser... Tuve varias primeras veces en mi vida como mujer.",1174.92,1179.66,{"idx":1369,"utterance_id":1370,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1371,"start_s":1372,"end_s":1373,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},219,"172171","Fui la primera alcaldesa, la primera vicegobernadora del Estado.",1179.84,1183.24,{"idx":1375,"utterance_id":1376,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1377,"start_s":1378,"end_s":1379,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},220,"172172","Fui la primera, muchas veces, en el Senado Federal.",1184.5,1186.74,{"idx":1381,"utterance_id":1382,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1383,"start_s":1384,"end_s":1385,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},221,"172173","Fui candidata a la presidencia del Senado.",1186.76,1188.1,{"idx":1387,"utterance_id":1388,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1389,"start_s":1390,"end_s":1391,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},222,"172174","Primera mujer en 200 años de historia.",1188.16,1189.9,{"idx":1393,"utterance_id":1394,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1395,"start_s":1396,"end_s":1397,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},223,"172175","Hubo ese episodio importante también.",1189.92,1192.24,{"idx":1399,"utterance_id":1400,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1401,"start_s":1402,"end_s":1403,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},224,"172176","Sabiendo que iba a perder, porque yo quería denunciar el presupuesto secreto.",1192.26,1194.76,{"idx":1405,"utterance_id":1406,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1407,"start_s":1408,"end_s":1409,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},225,"172177","Quería denunciar algún tipo de corrupción que estaba ocurriendo.",1194.92,1197.7,{"idx":1411,"utterance_id":1412,"speaker_name":69,"text":1413,"start_s":1414,"end_s":1415,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},226,"172178","Y usted ganando la presidencia de la CCJ también fue una victoria importante en aquel momento.",1197.74,1202.32,{"idx":1417,"utterance_id":1418,"speaker_name":69,"text":1419,"start_s":1420,"end_s":1421,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},227,"172179","Fue.",1202.36,1202.6,{"idx":1423,"utterance_id":1424,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1425,"start_s":1426,"end_s":1427,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},228,"172180","Porque también fue otra historia.",1202.98,1204.2,{"idx":1429,"utterance_id":1430,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1431,"start_s":1432,"end_s":1433,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},229,"172181","Fue la primera vez que una mujer ocupó una... la presidencia de la comisión más importante.",1204.22,1207.44,{"idx":1435,"utterance_id":1436,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1437,"start_s":1438,"end_s":1439,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},230,"172182","Entonces, ante esos escenarios, yo estaba, pues, lista para seguir trabajando por Brasil, incluso pensando en otras formas que no implicaran un mandato electivo, en la política y fuera de un mandato electivo.",1207.52,1218.86,{"idx":1441,"utterance_id":1442,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1443,"start_s":1444,"end_s":1445,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},231,"172183","Llega un diputado federal del MDB y dice lo siguiente, mira, el MDB literalmente se va a dividir.",1219.18,1222.74,{"idx":1447,"utterance_id":1448,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1449,"start_s":1450,"end_s":1451,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},232,"172184","La mitad quiere ir con Bolsonaro, la mitad quiere ir con Lula.",1223.44,1226.2,{"idx":1453,"utterance_id":1454,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1455,"start_s":1456,"end_s":1457,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},233,"172185","Entonces solo hay una manera de unir al partido, que es que usted sea candidata a la presidencia de la República.",1226.68,1231.82,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1459,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1460,"start_s":1461,"end_s":1462,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},"172186","¿Por qué?",1231.9,1232.18,{"idx":1464,"utterance_id":1465,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1466,"start_s":1467,"end_s":1468,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},235,"172187","Usted tuvo proyección en la CCJ y tuvo proyección en la CPI de la Covid.",1232.24,1236.44,{"idx":1470,"utterance_id":1471,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1472,"start_s":1473,"end_s":1474,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},236,"172188","Que en la CPI de la Covid resultó que yo estuve allí como la que encontró, descubrió un montón de cosas, descubrió una invoice falsa, una nota fiscal falsa.",1236.98,1247.28,{"idx":1476,"utterance_id":1477,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1478,"start_s":1479,"end_s":1480,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},237,"172189","Descubrimos algunos intentos de corrupción y todo eso.",1247.68,1251.14,{"idx":1482,"utterance_id":1483,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1484,"start_s":1485,"end_s":1486,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},238,"172190","insistiendo para que el pueblo brasileño recibiera la vacuna.",1252.32,1255.72,{"idx":1488,"utterance_id":1489,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1490,"start_s":1491,"end_s":1492,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},239,"172191","Entonces, con todo el mundo frente al televisor, de repente me volví conocida para el 40% de la población brasileña que no sabía quién era.",1255.74,1261.64,{"idx":1494,"utterance_id":1495,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1496,"start_s":1497,"end_s":1498,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},240,"172192","Y me acuerdo, y su pregunta fue esa, ¿hubo apoyo?",1263.06,1266.4,{"idx":1500,"utterance_id":1501,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1502,"start_s":1503,"end_s":1504,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},241,"172193","Creo que, en ese aspecto, ninguno, pero hubo mucha honestidad de mi partido.",1266.78,1271.36,{"idx":1506,"utterance_id":1507,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1508,"start_s":1509,"end_s":1510,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},242,"172194","El presidente de mi partido fue muy claro conmigo: mire, usted es candidata porque el partido se va a dividir.",1271.72,1276.76,{"idx":1512,"utterance_id":1513,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1514,"start_s":1515,"end_s":1516,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},243,"172195","Va a haber estados donde el MDB está apoyando a Bolsonaro, hay estados donde el MDB va a apoyar a Lula.",1278.86,1284.82,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1518,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1519,"start_s":1520,"end_s":1521,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},"172196","Entonces usted solo va a tener el tiempo de radio, de televisión y el apoyo de sus compañeros.",1285.22,1289.12,{"idx":1523,"utterance_id":1524,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1525,"start_s":1526,"end_s":1527,"word_count":400,"indexable":74},245,"172197","Tus compañeros te van a recibir con cariño en el aeropuerto, te van a invitar... a tomar un café, incluso quienes apoyan a Lula, incluso quienes apoyan a Bolsonaro, ¿no? Entonces fue mucha honestidad, porque es eso: cuando tienes, ¿no?, cuando tienes, lo acordado no es caro, y eso me dio tranquilidad. ¿Sabes por qué, Fabiano?",1289.4,1306.5,{"idx":1529,"utterance_id":1530,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1531,"start_s":1532,"end_s":1533,"word_count":365,"indexable":74},246,"172198","Porque ahí pude ser yo misma, pude decir lo que quería, pude procurar representar lo mejor posible a las mujeres brasileñas, a los sumatogrossenses, ora hablando de unos, ora de otros, sin bajar la cabeza, para mostrar que la mujer tiene coraje para decir lo que quiere.",1306.52,1322.72,{"idx":1535,"utterance_id":1536,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1537,"start_s":1538,"end_s":1539,"word_count":281,"indexable":74},247,"172199","que necesita ser dicho, cuando hay que defender a un hijo, cuando hay que defender los intereses de la familia, se saca un coraje que uno no sabe de dónde viene.",1322.74,1330.86,{"idx":1541,"utterance_id":1542,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1543,"start_s":1544,"end_s":1545,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},248,"172200","Entonces, fui con mucha tranquilidad a los debates.",1331.5,1333.8,{"idx":1547,"utterance_id":1548,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1549,"start_s":1550,"end_s":1551,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},249,"172201","Tal vez por eso dijeron allí, las encuestas mostraban todo el tiempo, mejor en el debate así, mejor en el debate así.",1333.84,1339.1,{"idx":1553,"utterance_id":1554,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1555,"start_s":1556,"end_s":1557,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},250,"172202","Es porque yo estaba sin compromisos, podía decir mis verdades, podía defender el Brasil que quiero para todos los brasileños.",1339.52,1346.04,{"idx":1559,"utterance_id":1560,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1561,"start_s":1562,"end_s":1563,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},251,"172203","Entonces... hubo mucha honestidad.",1346.44,1349.62,{"idx":1565,"utterance_id":1566,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1567,"start_s":1568,"end_s":1569,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},252,"172204","Tuve una estructura pequeña, partidaria y tal, pero fue con mucha corrección, así que solo tengo que agradecer al MDB por eso.",1350.08,1356.38,{"idx":1571,"utterance_id":1572,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1573,"start_s":1574,"end_s":1575,"word_count":287,"indexable":74},253,"172205","Aquí mismo procuré no venir, porque sabía que iba a causar un malestar a mis compañeros alcaldes, candidatos, así que no iba a Mato Grosso do Sul a pedir voto para no provocar ese tipo de incomodidad.",1356.66,1368.74,{"idx":1577,"utterance_id":1578,"speaker_name":69,"text":1579,"start_s":1580,"end_s":1581,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},254,"172206","Y entonces en la misma elección, es decir, pasado el primer turno, usted tomó otra decisión.",1369.4,1375.14,{"idx":1583,"utterance_id":1584,"speaker_name":69,"text":1585,"start_s":1586,"end_s":1587,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},255,"172207","que fue importante, que era apoyar, fue apoyar a Lula en el segundo turno.",1375.82,1380.46,{"idx":1589,"utterance_id":1590,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1591,"start_s":1592,"end_s":1593,"word_count":329,"indexable":74},256,"172208","Y que, de nuevo, fue más fácil, porque como yo no tenía, la mitad quería que yo apoyara a Bolsonaro, la mitad quería que yo apoyara a Lula, pero ninguna de las dos mitades me apoyó, entonces tuve la libertad de hacer lo que mi conciencia ordenaba.",1380.48,1390.92,{"idx":1595,"utterance_id":1596,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1597,"start_s":1598,"end_s":1599,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},257,"172209","No por falta de presión, hubo mucha presión de ambos lados.",1391.32,1394.1,{"idx":1601,"utterance_id":1602,"speaker_name":69,"text":1603,"start_s":1604,"end_s":1605,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},258,"172210","¿Pero la presionaron mucho? ¿Todavía se la presiona hasta hoy?",1394.12,1396.08,{"idx":1607,"utterance_id":1608,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1609,"start_s":1610,"end_s":1611,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},259,"172211","Sí, y si hubiera optado por Bolsonaro, se la habría exigido de la misma manera, porque fue una situación muy polarizada.",1396.1,1401.6,{"idx":1613,"utterance_id":1614,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1615,"start_s":1616,"end_s":1617,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},260,"172212","Y todos me ofrecieron ministerios, de allá y de acá, con todo.",1402.12,1405.08,{"idx":1619,"utterance_id":1620,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1621,"start_s":1622,"end_s":1623,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},261,"172213","con total imparcialidad.",1405.12,1405.72,{"idx":1625,"utterance_id":1626,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1627,"start_s":1628,"end_s":1629,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},262,"172214","Recuerdo que hubo un detalle que voy a contar.",1406.08,1408.2,{"idx":1631,"utterance_id":1632,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1633,"start_s":1634,"end_s":1635,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},263,"172215","Terminó el segundo turno, hice un manifiesto sobre por qué iba a apoyar al presidente Lula, aunque soy una persona de centro y nunca fui de izquierda.",1409.28,1416.4,{"idx":1637,"utterance_id":1638,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1639,"start_s":1640,"end_s":1641,"word_count":317,"indexable":74},264,"172216","Porque ya había convivido con Bolsonaro cuatro años, yo era senadora de la República; la propia pandemia, la forma en que fue conducida, las agendas que no son las mías en ciertos temas, sino en cuestiones de costumbres y demás.",1417.4,1428.74,{"idx":1643,"utterance_id":1644,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1645,"start_s":1646,"end_s":1647,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},265,"172217","Y entonces hice mi manifiesto.",1429.88,1431.54,{"idx":1649,"utterance_id":1650,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1651,"start_s":1652,"end_s":1653,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},266,"172218","y en eso... me llama el equipo del presidente diciendo: mire, el presidente Lula quiere conversar con usted.",1431.56,1438.2,{"idx":1655,"utterance_id":1656,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1657,"start_s":1658,"end_s":1659,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},267,"172219","Y también recibo ofertas del lado del presidente Bolsonaro, con ministerio y todo eso.",1438.56,1445.6,{"idx":1661,"utterance_id":1662,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1663,"start_s":1664,"end_s":1665,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},268,"172220","Incluso gente de aquí que sirvió como puente por el vínculo y la proximidad.",1445.74,1449.62,{"idx":1667,"utterance_id":1668,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1669,"start_s":1670,"end_s":1671,"word_count":311,"indexable":74},269,"172221","Y fui a la casa de la entonces senadora Marta Suplicy, ella ya no era senadora, y le dije, llegué ahí para ver al presidente Lula y le dije: oiga, presidente, mi manifiesto está listo, ¿no?, lo voy a anunciar esta tarde.",1450.16,1462.56,{"idx":1673,"utterance_id":1674,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1675,"start_s":1676,"end_s":1677,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},270,"172222","No quiero cargo, no quiero ministerio, no quiero nada.",1462.58,1464.72,{"idx":1679,"utterance_id":1680,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1681,"start_s":1682,"end_s":1683,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},271,"172223","Se sorprendió, porque está acostumbrado siempre a la negociación, ¿no?",1464.78,1467.64,{"idx":1685,"utterance_id":1686,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1687,"start_s":1688,"end_s":1689,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},272,"172224","Le dije, porque la agenda que defiendo es la agenda de la democracia, la agenda de determinados valores.",1468.5,1473.14,{"idx":1691,"utterance_id":1692,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1693,"start_s":1694,"end_s":1695,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},273,"172225","No estoy de acuerdo con todo lo que usted piensa.",1473.48,1475.02,{"idx":1697,"utterance_id":1698,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1699,"start_s":1700,"end_s":1701,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},274,"172226","Probablemente no estaré de acuerdo con todo su gobierno, ¿no?",1475.78,1478.18,{"idx":1703,"utterance_id":1704,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1705,"start_s":1706,"end_s":1707,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},275,"172227","Pero quiero... quiero estar del lado correcto de la historia.",1478.44,1480.96,{"idx":1709,"utterance_id":1710,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1711,"start_s":1712,"end_s":1713,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},276,"172228","En este momento, tengo convicción de lo que necesito hacer.",1481.14,1483.92,{"idx":1715,"utterance_id":1716,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1717,"start_s":1718,"end_s":1719,"word_count":241,"indexable":74},277,"172229","Lo único que el presidente Lula me dijo fue: entonces haz solo una cosa, quita de tu manifiesto que no vas a aceptar ministerio.",1484.5,1491.26,{"idx":1721,"utterance_id":1722,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1723,"start_s":1724,"end_s":1725,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},278,"172230","Le dije: pero presidente, la única forma de hacer esto legítimo es no pedir ministerio.",1492,1496.96,{"idx":1727,"utterance_id":1728,"speaker_name":69,"text":1729,"start_s":1730,"end_s":1731,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},279,"172231","No para ganar, ¿no?",1497.24,1497.92,{"idx":1733,"utterance_id":1734,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1735,"start_s":1736,"end_s":1737,"word_count":275,"indexable":74},280,"172232","Porque así, necesito mostrar lo que estoy haciendo y voy a tener un sacrificio personal electoral, porque mi Estado es más conservador; en mi Estado, Bolsonaro ganó por amplia diferencia en el primer turno.",1498.46,1506.92,{"idx":1739,"utterance_id":1740,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1741,"start_s":1742,"end_s":1743,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},281,"172233","Él dijo: pero no lo pongas.",1507.1,1508.16,{"idx":1745,"utterance_id":1746,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1747,"start_s":1748,"end_s":1749,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},282,"172234","Y después usted decide.",1508.26,1509.22,{"idx":1751,"utterance_id":1752,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1753,"start_s":1754,"end_s":1755,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},283,"172235","Y después él ofreció dos o tres ministerios, hubo una conversación y yo no acepté.",1510.18,1513.36,{"idx":1757,"utterance_id":1758,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1759,"start_s":1760,"end_s":1761,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},284,"172236","Dije: no, ¿pero por qué voy a aceptar un ministerio?",1513.38,1514.96,{"idx":1763,"utterance_id":1764,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1765,"start_s":1766,"end_s":1767,"word_count":257,"indexable":74},285,"172237","y no sé qué, hasta el momento en que mi partido dijo: mira... Si te gusta hacer política, si quieres ayudar a Mato Grosso do Sul, incluso para ayudar a tu Estado, tienes que estar en el Ministerio.",1514.98,1523.16,{"idx":1769,"utterance_id":1770,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1771,"start_s":1772,"end_s":1773,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},286,"172238","Dije: está bien, entonces me quedaré un año, veré si se puede avanzar.",1523.56,1527.86,{"idx":1775,"utterance_id":1776,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1777,"start_s":1778,"end_s":1779,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},287,"172239","Y así, eso es historia.",1529.86,1530.84,{"idx":1781,"utterance_id":1782,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1783,"start_s":1784,"end_s":1785,"word_count":471,"indexable":74},288,"172240","Yo, de alguna forma, cuento eso en mi libro, que es un libro del que no gano un centavo, así que puedo hablar de él, que hice para las chicas brasileñas, donde digo que tenemos, y usted que tiene ascendencia oriental sabe la diferencia, y el mundo oriental tiene eso, que para mí es un valor y un activo que nosotros no tenemos en el mundo.",1531,1547.22,{"idx":1787,"utterance_id":1788,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1789,"start_s":1790,"end_s":1791,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},289,"172241","del Occidente.",1547.24,1547.8,{"idx":1793,"utterance_id":1794,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1795,"start_s":1796,"end_s":1797,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},290,"172242","Nosotros somos enseñados y enseñamos a nuestros hijos de forma muy equivocada.",1548.26,1551.46,{"idx":1799,"utterance_id":1800,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1801,"start_s":1802,"end_s":1803,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},291,"172243","Que uno tiene que tener éxito, eso hay que tenerlo, pero que solo se puede entrar en una lucha para ganar.",1551.86,1556.56,{"idx":1805,"utterance_id":1806,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1807,"start_s":1808,"end_s":1809,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},292,"172244","Que aun cuando sepamos que vamos a perder, entonces es mejor no luchar.",1556.66,1559.06,{"idx":1811,"utterance_id":1812,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1813,"start_s":1814,"end_s":1815,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},293,"172245","Y las veces en que más gané en mi vida, en todos los escenarios, fue cuando disputé algo sabiendo que iba a perder.",1559.08,1565.72,{"idx":1817,"utterance_id":1818,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1819,"start_s":1820,"end_s":1821,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},294,"172246","Disputé la presidencia del Senado porque sabía que iba a perder, había un presupuesto secreto allí, así que no podía competir con enmiendas, no tenía enmienda para dar.",1566.14,1573.16,{"idx":1823,"utterance_id":1824,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1825,"start_s":1826,"end_s":1827,"word_count":257,"indexable":74},295,"172247","Pero quería ser la primera mujer candidata a la presidencia, porque dije, algún día seré la viejita con bastón, veré a una mujer sentada en la presidencia del Senado haciendo todo diferente de lo que se está haciendo.",1573.84,1582.9,{"idx":1829,"utterance_id":1830,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1831,"start_s":1832,"end_s":1833,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},296,"172248","Y por eso, el candidato que ganó tuvo que comprometerse con la bancada femenina, crear el liderazgo de la bancada femenina.",1583.34,1590.7,{"idx":1835,"utterance_id":1836,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1837,"start_s":1838,"end_s":1839,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},297,"172249","Y las mujeres, las chicas allí dijeron: pero si se creó la bancada femenina es porque usted fue candidata.",1591.38,1595.62,{"idx":1841,"utterance_id":1842,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1843,"start_s":1844,"end_s":1845,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},298,"172250","Entonces tiene que ser la primera líder de la bancada femenina.",1595.7,1597.6,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1847,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1848,"start_s":1849,"end_s":1850,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},"172251","Y fue por el hecho de ser la primera líder de la bancada femenina que entré en la CPI de la Covid.",1598.08,1601.84,{"idx":1852,"utterance_id":1853,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1854,"start_s":1855,"end_s":1856,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},300,"172252","Mira qué cosa loca.",1602.2,1603.18,{"idx":1858,"utterance_id":1859,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1860,"start_s":1861,"end_s":1862,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},301,"172253","Y me hice conocida nacionalmente.",1603.7,1605.16,{"idx":1864,"utterance_id":1865,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1866,"start_s":1867,"end_s":1868,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},302,"172254","Porque los líderes nominaron sólo hombres para ir a la CPI.",1605.48,1610.38,{"idx":1870,"utterance_id":1871,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1872,"start_s":1873,"end_s":1874,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},303,"172255","No había una senadora en la CPI de la Covid.",1610.52,1613.5,{"idx":1876,"utterance_id":1877,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1878,"start_s":1879,"end_s":1880,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},304,"172256","Entonces yo, como líder de la bancada femenina, dije: espera, estamos hablando de vida.",1614.08,1617.2,{"idx":1882,"utterance_id":1883,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1884,"start_s":1885,"end_s":1886,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},305,"172257","¿Quién entiende más de la vida?",1617.84,1619.12,{"idx":1888,"utterance_id":1889,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1890,"start_s":1891,"end_s":1892,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},306,"172258","que una madre que pare a un hijo, que da a luz, o una hija.",1619.58,1623.62,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":1894,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1895,"start_s":1896,"end_s":1897,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},"172259","Y entonces nos dieron espacio, aunque modesto, para que las mujeres pudieran participar en la CPI de la Covid.",1624.36,1629.88,{"idx":1899,"utterance_id":1900,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1901,"start_s":1902,"end_s":1903,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},308,"172260","Y el resto, de nuevo, es historia, porque ya lo conté, ¿no?",1629.9,1632.08,{"idx":1905,"utterance_id":1906,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1907,"start_s":1908,"end_s":1909,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},309,"172261","A partir de ahí, me invitaron a ser candidata a la presidencia.",1632.12,1635.1,{"idx":1911,"utterance_id":1912,"speaker_name":69,"text":1913,"start_s":1914,"end_s":1915,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},310,"172262","Esa elección, estaba recordando esa elección para la Asamblea también, usted fue a disputar para no ganar, ¿no?",1635.16,1640.28,{"idx":1917,"utterance_id":1918,"speaker_name":69,"text":1919,"start_s":1920,"end_s":1921,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},311,"172263","Y ganó, ¿no?",1640.3,1640.76,{"idx":1923,"utterance_id":1924,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1925,"start_s":1926,"end_s":1927,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},312,"172264","Pues sí, porque, así, quería agradar a mi padre, no quería, así, siempre fui criada así, soy de la generación en la que no se discute con el padre, ¿no?",1641.08,1649.44,{"idx":1929,"utterance_id":1930,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1931,"start_s":1932,"end_s":1933,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},313,"172265","Entonces, pues, mi padre debe saber lo que está diciendo, ¿no?",1649.94,1652.66,{"idx":1935,"utterance_id":1936,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1937,"start_s":1938,"end_s":1939,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},314,"172266","Entonces, voy a acceder.",1652.78,1653.74,{"idx":1941,"utterance_id":1942,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1943,"start_s":1944,"end_s":1945,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},315,"172267","No quiero disgustar a mi padre, no quiero disgustar a mi padre, ¿no?",1653.76,1656.08,{"idx":1947,"utterance_id":1948,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1949,"start_s":1950,"end_s":1951,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},316,"172268","Dije: ah, voy, voy a ser candidata.",1656.16,1657.8,{"idx":1953,"utterance_id":1954,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1955,"start_s":1956,"end_s":1957,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},317,"172269","Y ganando la elección y aquí estoy, ¿no?, en todo este proceso.",1658.24,1662.54,{"idx":1959,"utterance_id":1960,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1961,"start_s":1962,"end_s":1963,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},318,"172270","Pero no sin un costo político, porque...",1663.2,1664.76,{"idx":1965,"utterance_id":1966,"speaker_name":69,"text":1967,"start_s":1968,"end_s":1969,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},319,"172271","Hay un costo político, ¿no?",1665.04,1665.94,{"idx":1971,"utterance_id":1972,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1973,"start_s":1974,"end_s":1975,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},320,"172272","Hay un costo político, pero más que a nivel personal.",1666.14,1668.84,{"idx":1977,"utterance_id":1978,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1979,"start_s":1980,"end_s":1981,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},321,"172273","Si hay algo en lo que la fe ayuda... Y yo tengo mucha fe, lo digo, le debo mucho a mi madre; la tengo.",1669.34,1674.28,{"idx":1983,"utterance_id":1984,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1985,"start_s":1986,"end_s":1987,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},322,"172274","Así, para mí los valores son otros.",1674.3,1677.22,{"idx":1989,"utterance_id":1990,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1991,"start_s":1992,"end_s":1993,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},323,"172275","La política, para mí, en esencia, queda en segundo plano.",1677.38,1681.46,{"idx":1995,"utterance_id":1996,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1997,"start_s":1998,"end_s":1999,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},324,"172276","En primer plano está mi familia: que mis amigos estén bien, con salud; esos son los bienes más preciados que tengo.",1681.48,1689.84,{"idx":2001,"utterance_id":2002,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2003,"start_s":2004,"end_s":2005,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},325,"172277","Entonces, aguanto los golpes de la política, tengo espaldas, por así decirlo, ya gruesas, porque eso no es lo prioritario.",1690.32,1698.14,{"idx":2007,"utterance_id":2008,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2009,"start_s":2010,"end_s":2011,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},326,"172278","Entonces, hacer aquello que sabes que tienes que hacer y tener coraje para hacerlo, ayuda mucho.",1698.6,1704.86,{"idx":2013,"utterance_id":2014,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2015,"start_s":2016,"end_s":2017,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},327,"172279","Entonces, mi fe me dio coraje para estar en este momento de polarización, donde no es fácil estar en ninguno de los lados.",1704.9,1711.84,{"idx":2019,"utterance_id":2020,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2021,"start_s":2022,"end_s":2023,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},328,"172280","Porque quedé en tercer lugar, lo cual tampoco esperaba.",1712.5,1715,{"idx":2025,"utterance_id":2026,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2027,"start_s":2028,"end_s":2029,"word_count":281,"indexable":74},329,"172281","Quizá lo que la gente reconoció en mí es lo que hace falta, porque puedo tener muchos defectos, y tengo muchos, pero la gente reconoció en mí aquello que falta en muchos hombres públicos en Brasil.",1715.96,1725.44,{"idx":2031,"utterance_id":2032,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2033,"start_s":2034,"end_s":2035,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},330,"172282","Cuando digo 'hombres', me refiero también a las mujeres.",1725.46,1726.96,{"idx":2037,"utterance_id":2038,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2039,"start_s":2040,"end_s":2041,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},331,"172283","Que es, además del coraje, la verdad.",1727.84,1731.36,{"idx":2043,"utterance_id":2044,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2045,"start_s":2046,"end_s":2047,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},332,"172284","Digo lo que pienso.",1731.44,1732.54,{"idx":2049,"utterance_id":2050,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2051,"start_s":2052,"end_s":2053,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},333,"172285","Puedo estar equivocada.",1733.16,1733.92,{"idx":2055,"utterance_id":2056,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2057,"start_s":2058,"end_s":2059,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},334,"172286","Y muchas veces estoy equivocada.",1733.98,1735.22,{"idx":2061,"utterance_id":2062,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2063,"start_s":2064,"end_s":2065,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},335,"172287","Pero la gente mira mis ojos, la persona sabe que no estoy mintiendo.",1735.62,1738.52,{"idx":2067,"utterance_id":2068,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2069,"start_s":2070,"end_s":2071,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},336,"172288","Que creo en lo que estoy haciendo.",1738.86,1740.28,{"idx":2073,"utterance_id":2074,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2075,"start_s":2076,"end_s":2077,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},337,"172289","Y eso contó mucho en los debates.",1740.34,1741.82,{"idx":2079,"utterance_id":2080,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2081,"start_s":2082,"end_s":2083,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},338,"172290","Y entonces quedé.",1742.28,1742.94,{"idx":2085,"utterance_id":2086,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2087,"start_s":2088,"end_s":2089,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},339,"172291","en tercer lugar.",1742.96,1743.78,{"idx":2091,"utterance_id":2092,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2093,"start_s":2094,"end_s":2095,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},340,"172292","Ciro Gomes, que es alguien más vinculado a la izquierda, no se posicionó.",1744.18,1748.52,{"idx":2097,"utterance_id":2098,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2099,"start_s":2100,"end_s":2101,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},341,"172293","No se puso de ningún lado.",1749.2,1750.32,{"idx":2103,"utterance_id":2104,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2105,"start_s":2106,"end_s":2107,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},342,"172294","Tuve que tomar una decisión.",1750.76,1752.06,{"idx":2109,"utterance_id":2110,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2111,"start_s":2112,"end_s":2113,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},343,"172295","Y eso que quizá sea mi costo político, es que... 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todo eso también hizo que la población diga '¡eh, espera!', ya no se puede... ser ciega frente a ciertas situaciones.",1826.58,1842.78,{"idx":2223,"utterance_id":2224,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2225,"start_s":2226,"end_s":2227,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},362,"172314","Pero todavía no sé si en 2026 el Centro Democrático, los partidos de centro, tendrán espacio; o mejor dicho, espacio sí hay.",1843.52,1853.32,{"idx":2229,"utterance_id":2230,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2231,"start_s":2232,"end_s":2233,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},363,"172315","Quizá falte algo que a mí no me faltó allí.",1854.42,1856.56,{"idx":2235,"utterance_id":2236,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2237,"start_s":2238,"end_s":2239,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},364,"172316","Que tengan el coraje de lanzar a un candidato.",1857.42,1859.72,{"idx":2241,"utterance_id":2242,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2243,"start_s":2244,"end_s":2245,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},365,"172317","Tengo dudas.",1860.26,1860.96,{"idx":2247,"utterance_id":2248,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2249,"start_s":2250,"end_s":2251,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},366,"172318","Creo que aún... Cada partido migrará hacia un lado y hacia el otro.",1861.02,1865.06,{"idx":2253,"utterance_id":2254,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2255,"start_s":2256,"end_s":2257,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},367,"172319","No sabemos todavía quién será el adversario.",1865.34,1867.3,{"idx":2259,"utterance_id":2260,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2261,"start_s":2262,"end_s":2263,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},368,"172320","La tendencia es que el presidente Lula sea candidato a la reelección y no sabemos quién será el candidato del otro lado.",1867.5,1873.4,{"idx":2265,"utterance_id":2266,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2267,"start_s":2268,"end_s":2269,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},369,"172321","Pero solo logro vislumbrar hacia 2030, en este momento, el regreso de ese centro más equilibrado.",1873.78,1884.56,{"idx":2271,"utterance_id":2272,"speaker_name":69,"text":2273,"start_s":2274,"end_s":2275,"word_count":287,"indexable":74},370,"172322","Íbamos a hablar un poco más sobre el gobierno, pero quiero anticipar ahora un capítulo, aprovechando esta estela, analizando esa posibilidad de... el presidente en la reelección con un gobierno que se ha ido desgastando últimamente.",1885.78,1903.18,{"idx":2277,"utterance_id":2278,"speaker_name":69,"text":2279,"start_s":2280,"end_s":2281,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},371,"172323","Las encuestas también mostraron un rechazo a Lula de forma más intensa en los últimos tiempos.",1903.26,1909.58,{"idx":2283,"utterance_id":2284,"speaker_name":69,"text":2285,"start_s":2286,"end_s":2287,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},372,"172324","Señora, como ministra de una cartera importante, ¿diría usted hoy que él tiene la condición o que sus posibilidades de reelección han disminuido?",1909.62,1918.88,{"idx":2289,"utterance_id":2290,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2291,"start_s":2292,"end_s":2293,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},373,"172325","La primera pregunta que me hacen es: ¿pero el presidente Lula está bien de salud?",1919.36,1922.2,{"idx":2295,"utterance_id":2296,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2297,"start_s":2298,"end_s":2299,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},374,"172326","Mire, no sé si a los 60 voy a tener... Lo digo así, ¿cómo decirlo?",1922.98,1926.72,{"idx":2301,"utterance_id":2302,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2303,"start_s":2304,"end_s":2305,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},375,"172327","Como alguien que no es apasionada.",1926.86,1928.2,{"idx":2307,"utterance_id":2308,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2309,"start_s":2310,"end_s":2311,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},376,"172328","No sé si a los 60 tendré la energía que el presidente Lula tiene hoy a los 78 años.",1928.68,1933.02,{"idx":2313,"utterance_id":2314,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2315,"start_s":2316,"end_s":2317,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},377,"172329","Es algo impresionante.",1933.44,1934.38,{"idx":2319,"utterance_id":2320,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2321,"start_s":2322,"end_s":2323,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},378,"172330","Creo que lo lleva en la sangre, realmente le gusta y por eso saca energía, quién sabe de dónde.",1934.4,1938.28,{"idx":2325,"utterance_id":2326,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2327,"start_s":2328,"end_s":2329,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},379,"172331","Entonces, claro que si Dios quiere... Si sigue así, él es el candidato del PT.",1938.9,1943.9,{"idx":2331,"utterance_id":2332,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2333,"start_s":2334,"end_s":2335,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},380,"172332","No sé cuál será la posición de mi partido.",1944.92,1947.24,{"idx":2337,"utterance_id":2338,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2339,"start_s":2340,"end_s":2341,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},381,"172333","Yo tengo un lado.",1947.52,1948.42,{"idx":2343,"utterance_id":2344,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2345,"start_s":2346,"end_s":2347,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},382,"172334","No sé ser deshonesta y no sé... cómo.",1948.78,1952.72,{"idx":2349,"utterance_id":2350,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2351,"start_s":2352,"end_s":2353,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},383,"172335","Mi partido no va a lanzar candidato, al menos esa es la tendencia de mi partido, pero yo tengo un lado.",1954.04,1959.4,{"idx":2355,"utterance_id":2356,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2357,"start_s":2358,"end_s":2359,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},384,"172336","Para no estar con el presidente Lula, yo no podría ser ministra.",1960.3,1962.58,{"idx":2361,"utterance_id":2362,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2363,"start_s":2364,"end_s":2365,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},385,"172337","Entonces, eso no se discute.",1962.96,1965.02,{"idx":2367,"utterance_id":2368,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2369,"start_s":2370,"end_s":2371,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},386,"172338","Ahora, ya participé en muchas elecciones para ver lo siguiente, gente: con este mundo cada vez más veloz, el mundo 'flujo', como dicen, sin precedentes.",1966.2,1974.98,{"idx":2373,"utterance_id":2374,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2375,"start_s":2376,"end_s":2377,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},387,"172339","Está muy lejos.",1975.78,1976.76,{"idx":2379,"utterance_id":2380,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2381,"start_s":2382,"end_s":2383,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},388,"172340","Esto aquí es una mera fotografía.",1976.92,1978.46,{"idx":2385,"utterance_id":2386,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2387,"start_s":2388,"end_s":2389,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},389,"172341","Y yo, que trabajo con presupuesto y con la parte de economía, si miramos los números, los números de la economía brasileña, estamos en pleno empleo.",1978.96,1988.6,{"idx":2391,"utterance_id":2392,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2393,"start_s":2394,"end_s":2395,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},390,"172342","Nunca tuvimos tanta gente empleada, incluso con contrato formal.",1989.14,1992.82,{"idx":2397,"utterance_id":2398,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2399,"start_s":2400,"end_s":2401,"word_count":335,"indexable":74},391,"172343","Estamos viendo una caída en los 'ninis' (jóvenes que ni estudian ni trabajan) por el 'pé de meia' (el ahorro), que fue un proyecto con el que el presidente Lula se comprometió conmigo; era mi 'poupança jovem' en mi campaña y él lo puso ahora en práctica.",1993.54,2004.26,{"idx":2403,"utterance_id":2404,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2405,"start_s":2406,"end_s":2407,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},392,"172344","Llevamos dos años consecutivos de crecimiento del PIB y este año volverá a sorprender.",2004.78,2009.78,{"idx":2409,"utterance_id":2410,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2411,"start_s":2412,"end_s":2413,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},393,"172345","Entonces, si miramos la economía brasileña en su conjunto, tenemos un escenario... que es un escenario que puede elegir a cualquier presidente.",2010.26,2018.02,{"idx":2415,"utterance_id":2416,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2417,"start_s":2418,"end_s":2419,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},394,"172346","Lo que tenemos, y usted tiene razón, es un factor que tira hacia atrás.",2018.64,2021.74,{"idx":2421,"utterance_id":2422,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2423,"start_s":2424,"end_s":2425,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},395,"172347","Hay cierto cansancio; la polarización sigue ahí.",2022.14,2025.16,{"idx":2427,"utterance_id":2428,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2429,"start_s":2430,"end_s":2431,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},396,"172348","Entonces, esa fotografía será otra a comienzos del próximo año.",2025.6,2029.24,{"idx":2433,"utterance_id":2434,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2435,"start_s":2436,"end_s":2437,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},397,"172349","Ahí el futuro dirá cuál será el resultado de la elección.",2029.62,2033.06,{"idx":2439,"utterance_id":2440,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2441,"start_s":2442,"end_s":2443,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},398,"172350","Es el pueblo brasileño quien decidirá.",2033.12,2034.52,{"idx":2445,"utterance_id":2446,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2447,"start_s":2448,"end_s":2449,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},399,"172351","Hoy no me preocupo por las encuestas.",2035.3,2037.58,{"idx":2451,"utterance_id":2452,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2453,"start_s":2454,"end_s":2455,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},400,"172352","Una encuesta, un año y tres meses, seis meses antes, es una mera fotografía, no es una película.",2037.94,2042.74,{"idx":2457,"utterance_id":2458,"speaker_name":69,"text":2459,"start_s":2460,"end_s":2461,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},401,"172353","Ministro... 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no?",2155.22,2155.66,{"idx":2607,"utterance_id":2608,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2609,"start_s":2610,"end_s":2611,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},426,"172378","Ya no es teléfono, ¿no?",2155.7,2156.52,{"idx":2613,"utterance_id":2614,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2615,"start_s":2616,"end_s":2617,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},427,"172379","Celular.",2156.62,2156.98,{"idx":2619,"utterance_id":2620,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2621,"start_s":2622,"end_s":2623,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},428,"172380","Y sólo después lo veo.",2157.34,2158.28,{"idx":2625,"utterance_id":2626,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2627,"start_s":2628,"end_s":2629,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},429,"172381","¿Voy a poder hacer un viaje a fin de año?",2158.3,2160.08,{"idx":2631,"utterance_id":2632,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2633,"start_s":2634,"end_s":2635,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},430,"172382","¿Voy a poder comprar una 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cualquier lugar, para Guyana, para Paraguay, para Uruguay.",2301.32,2311.66,{"idx":2904,"utterance_id":2905,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2906,"start_s":2907,"end_s":2908,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},476,"172428","Comercializamos sólo el 15%.",2312.14,2313.46,{"idx":2910,"utterance_id":2911,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2912,"start_s":2913,"end_s":2914,"word_count":234,"indexable":74},477,"172429","Entonces, esas rutas de integración sudamericana, que son cinco rutas, y una de ellas es la de Mato Grosso do Sul, que es la ruta bioceánica, o la ruta Capricornio, como ustedes quieran llamarla.",2314.86,2323.98,{"idx":2916,"utterance_id":2917,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2918,"start_s":2919,"end_s":2920,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},478,"172430","Tiene dos objetivos.",2325.78,2326.76,{"idx":2922,"utterance_id":2923,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2924,"start_s":2925,"end_s":2926,"word_count":287,"indexable":74},479,"172431","Hacer que Brasil pueda vender más a América del Sur y, por lo tanto, generar más empleo en la industria, que la economía circule más, dar calidad a las personas y también importar aquello que no producimos.",2327.38,2339.12,{"idx":2928,"utterance_id":2929,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2930,"start_s":2931,"end_s":2932,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},480,"172432","Pero también nos acercará a través del Pacífico, porque estamos mucho más cerca de Asia por el Pacífico que por el Atlántico.",2339.48,2346.56,{"idx":2934,"utterance_id":2935,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2936,"start_s":2937,"end_s":2938,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},481,"172433","Ustedes ya saben, deben de estar hartos de oír esto, que vamos a reducir nuestra distancia marítima",2347.04,2353.98,{"idx":2940,"utterance_id":2941,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2942,"start_s":2943,"end_s":2944,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},482,"172434","cuando esté lista la ruta bioceánica, en hasta tres semanas.",2354.76,2357.8,{"idx":2946,"utterance_id":2947,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2948,"start_s":2949,"end_s":2950,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},483,"172435","Con una reducción de más de 10 mil kilómetros de distancia.",2358.62,2361.56,{"idx":2952,"utterance_id":2953,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2954,"start_s":2955,"end_s":2956,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},484,"172436","Entonces, nuestros productos llegarán más baratos a la India y los productos de allí también llegarán más baratos a Brasil.",2361.58,2367.18,{"idx":2958,"utterance_id":2959,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2960,"start_s":2961,"end_s":2962,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},485,"172437","Entonces, ¿de qué dependen esas rutas sudamericanas?",2367.68,2370.62,{"idx":2964,"utterance_id":2965,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2966,"start_s":2967,"end_s":2968,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},486,"172438","¿Todo esto para decir qué?",2371.16,2371.94,{"idx":2970,"utterance_id":2971,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2972,"start_s":2973,"end_s":2974,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},487,"172439","Infraestructura.",2372.28,2372.98,{"idx":2976,"utterance_id":2977,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2978,"start_s":2979,"end_s":2980,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},488,"172440","Tenemos carreteras, estamos construyendo puertos, aeropuertos, ¿qué falta?",2373.34,2376.54,{"idx":2982,"utterance_id":2983,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2984,"start_s":2985,"end_s":2986,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},489,"172441","Ferrocarril.",2376.94,2377.42,{"idx":2988,"utterance_id":2989,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2990,"start_s":2991,"end_s":2992,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},490,"172442","Y el ferrocarril: ahora estamos, mi equipo está yendo a China, yo ya fui, ahora no voy, mi equipo está yendo allí.",2377.9,2382.86,{"idx":2994,"utterance_id":2995,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2996,"start_s":2997,"end_s":2998,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},491,"172443","Estuve con el presidente Xi Jinping, el presidente se sentó a la mesa y preguntó.",2383.22,2387.64,{"idx":3000,"utterance_id":3001,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3002,"start_s":3003,"end_s":3004,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},492,"172444","¿Cuál es el proyecto de ferrocarril que ustedes quieren?",2388,2389.86,{"idx":3006,"utterance_id":3007,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3008,"start_s":3009,"end_s":3010,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},493,"172445","Entonces decimos lo siguiente: queremos la experiencia técnica, porque mientras China hace un kilómetro de ferrocarril por día, nosotros hacemos un kilómetro cada 15 días, un kilómetro por mes.",2390.3,2401.16,{"idx":3012,"utterance_id":3013,"speaker_name":69,"text":3014,"start_s":3015,"end_s":3016,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},494,"172446","Vi sus máquinas, es fenomenal.",2401.5,2403.36,{"idx":3018,"utterance_id":3019,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2315,"start_s":3020,"end_s":3021,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},495,"172447",2403.38,2404.62,{"idx":3023,"utterance_id":3024,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3025,"start_s":3026,"end_s":3027,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},496,"172448","Entonces, no queremos que ellos sean dueños, y ellos no quieren ser dueños del ferrocarril.",2404.98,2408.24,{"idx":3029,"utterance_id":3030,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3031,"start_s":3032,"end_s":3033,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},497,"172449","No queremos vender Brasil ni a los Estados Unidos ni a China.",2408.26,2410.94,{"idx":3035,"utterance_id":3036,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3037,"start_s":3038,"end_s":3039,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},498,"172450","Brasil es nuestro, y no lo vamos a entregar a nadie.",2411.38,2413.78,{"idx":3041,"utterance_id":3042,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3043,"start_s":3044,"end_s":3045,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},499,"172451","Queremos asociación.",2414.22,2415.46,{"idx":3047,"utterance_id":3048,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1460,"start_s":3049,"end_s":3050,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},500,"172452",2416.5,2416.8,{"idx":3052,"utterance_id":3053,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3054,"start_s":3055,"end_s":3056,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},501,"172453","Porque cuando hablo con el inversor nacional, voy mucho a Faria Lima, voy mucho a Río de Janeiro, a São Paulo, ellos dicen que no.",2417.22,2422.08,{"idx":3058,"utterance_id":3059,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3060,"start_s":3061,"end_s":3062,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},502,"172454","Sé que hay una pregunta ahí, inclusive de Malhoeste, ¿no?",2423.02,2425.74,{"idx":637,"utterance_id":3064,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3065,"start_s":3066,"end_s":3067,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},"172455","¿Por qué la 163 ahora va a salir?",2426.06,2427.92,{"idx":3069,"utterance_id":3070,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3071,"start_s":3072,"end_s":3073,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},504,"172456","La duplicación de la 262 participó en la licitación y hubo empresas interesadas; de hecho, fueron tres las que ofertaron para duplicar la 262.",2428.2,2438,{"idx":3075,"utterance_id":3076,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3077,"start_s":3078,"end_s":3079,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},505,"172457","Y para el ferrocarril queda desierta.",2438.54,2440.06,{"idx":3081,"utterance_id":3082,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3083,"start_s":3084,"end_s":3085,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},506,"172458","En Brasil no hay inversión privada suficiente, porque es tan caro —la experticia— que, por sí solos, los inversores privados brasileños no pueden hacer las vías férreas que Brasil necesita.",2441.34,2450.62,{"idx":3087,"utterance_id":3088,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3089,"start_s":3090,"end_s":3091,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},507,"172459","Entonces necesitamos inversión privada de Brasil junto con inversión internacional para hacer esos tan anhelados ferrocarriles.",2450.64,2457.78,{"idx":3093,"utterance_id":3094,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3095,"start_s":3096,"end_s":3097,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},508,"172460","Ministro... No me doy por vencida, creo que lo vamos a conseguir.",2457.86,2460.98,{"idx":3099,"utterance_id":3100,"speaker_name":69,"text":3101,"start_s":3102,"end_s":3103,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},509,"172461","¿Hay algún lobby?",2461,2461.5,{"idx":3105,"utterance_id":3106,"speaker_name":69,"text":3107,"start_s":3108,"end_s":3109,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},510,"172462","¿Contra los ferrocarriles en Brasil, ministra?",2461.7,2463.36,{"idx":3111,"utterance_id":3112,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3113,"start_s":3114,"end_s":3115,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},511,"172463","No, a Brasil le falta experticia y le falta dinero, tanto público como privado.",2463.54,2467.52,{"idx":3117,"utterance_id":3118,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3119,"start_s":3120,"end_s":3121,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},512,"172464","Entonces tenemos que abrirnos.",2467.54,2468.46,{"idx":3123,"utterance_id":3124,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3125,"start_s":3126,"end_s":3127,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},513,"172465","Ahora, si usted dice así, ah, ¿pero Estados Unidos tiene interés en hacer ferrocarriles en Brasil?",2468.96,2473.3,{"idx":3129,"utterance_id":3130,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3131,"start_s":3132,"end_s":3133,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},514,"172466","Probablemente no, porque volveríamos nuestros productos competitivos frente a ellos.",2473.36,2476.56,{"idx":3135,"utterance_id":3136,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3137,"start_s":3138,"end_s":3139,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},515,"172467","¿Europa tiene interés?",2476.86,2478,{"idx":3141,"utterance_id":3142,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3131,"start_s":3143,"end_s":3144,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},516,"172468",2478.24,2481.62,{"idx":3146,"utterance_id":3147,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3148,"start_s":3149,"end_s":3150,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},517,"172469","Então temos que buscar en los chicles asiáticos, pues.",2481.64,2484.18,{"idx":3152,"utterance_id":3153,"speaker_name":69,"text":3154,"start_s":3155,"end_s":3156,"word_count":359,"indexable":74},518,"172470","Ministra, y esta señora está hablando de algo que es caro, de inversión, de la experiencia de China que ayuda... en ferrocarril, pero en la ruta bioceánica hay algo que necesita avanzar, que está mucho más lejos de cualquier dificultad de ese tipo, que es mucho más una negociación diplomática respecto a las aduanas.",2484.46,2503.88,{"idx":3158,"utterance_id":3159,"speaker_name":69,"text":3160,"start_s":3161,"end_s":3162,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},519,"172471","Unificar las aduanas de todos los países para que la burocracia, que la ruta...",2504.46,2509.28,{"idx":3164,"utterance_id":3165,"speaker_name":69,"text":3166,"start_s":3167,"end_s":3168,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},520,"172472","Se queda dos días parado en cada aduana.",2509.34,2511.1,{"idx":3170,"utterance_id":3171,"speaker_name":69,"text":3172,"start_s":3173,"end_s":3174,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},521,"172473","Sí, porque la ruta bioceánica prevé eso, esa agilidad.",2511.12,2514.22,{"idx":3176,"utterance_id":3177,"speaker_name":69,"text":3178,"start_s":3179,"end_s":3180,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},522,"172474","Ahora, si la burocracia se traba, porque la carga tendrá que parar en cada país por las aduanas, eso inviabiliza y vuelve a ser burocrático.",2514.24,2523.06,{"idx":3182,"utterance_id":3183,"speaker_name":69,"text":3184,"start_s":3185,"end_s":3186,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},523,"172475","¿Qué, en su opinión, está fallando en la relación diplomática?",2524.2,2530.48,{"idx":3188,"utterance_id":3189,"speaker_name":69,"text":3190,"start_s":3191,"end_s":3192,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},524,"172476","y si estas tratativas están en marcha para que eso salga del papel, porque la ruta parece estar ahí mismo.",2530.68,2535.56,{"idx":3194,"utterance_id":3195,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3196,"start_s":3197,"end_s":3198,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},525,"172477","Buena noticia, Fabiano.",2535.8,2536.98,{"idx":3200,"utterance_id":3201,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3202,"start_s":3203,"end_s":3204,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},526,"172478","Cuando hablamos de ruta, el primer paso es la logística.",2537.02,2539.56,{"idx":3206,"utterance_id":3207,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3208,"start_s":3209,"end_s":3210,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},527,"172479","Es decir, carreteras, ferrocarriles, puertos, aeropuertos.",2539.64,2541.88,{"idx":3212,"utterance_id":3213,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3214,"start_s":3215,"end_s":3216,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},528,"172480","Pero este proyecto tiene 15 ministerios involucrados.",2542.46,2545.08,{"idx":3218,"utterance_id":3219,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3220,"start_s":3221,"end_s":3222,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},529,"172481","Yo soy coordinadora, nosotros ideamos este proyecto de las rutas.",2545.1,2547.96,{"idx":3224,"utterance_id":3225,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3226,"start_s":3227,"end_s":3228,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},530,"172482","Y aquí una noticia que es importante.",2548.34,2549.88,{"idx":3230,"utterance_id":3231,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3232,"start_s":3233,"end_s":3234,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},531,"172483","que va a ser inaugurada primero, hasta fin de año; no entra en conflicto con nuestra ruta, por el contrario.",2551.5,2555.36,{"idx":3236,"utterance_id":3237,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3238,"start_s":3239,"end_s":3240,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},532,"172484","Nos fortalece, porque Brasil es un continente; cabe una Europa entera, más de una Europa dentro de Brasil.",2555.7,2559.88,{"idx":3242,"utterance_id":3243,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3244,"start_s":3245,"end_s":3246,"word_count":281,"indexable":74},533,"172485","Entonces, si yo fuera a vender al mundo solo la ruta de Mato Grosso do Sul, la gente diría, Europa diría: esto es un proyecto solo del gobierno del presidente Lula.",2560.4,2567.88,{"idx":3248,"utterance_id":3249,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3250,"start_s":3251,"end_s":3252,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},534,"172486","Ahí pasará pronto, en 2030... Puede ser que venga otro presidente, y todo cambia.",2568.28,2572.46,{"idx":3254,"utterance_id":3255,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3256,"start_s":3257,"end_s":3258,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},535,"172487","Cuando lo muestro, como hice, en Colombia, en Argentina, y, por cierto, estarán en Argentina el día 2 ahora.",2572.84,2578.08,{"idx":3260,"utterance_id":3261,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3262,"start_s":3263,"end_s":3264,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},536,"172488","En Estados Unidos, en China, pasando por Corea del Sur, etc.",2580,2582.72,{"idx":3266,"utterance_id":3267,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3268,"start_s":3269,"end_s":3270,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},537,"172489","Cuando mostramos la ruta como un proyecto de país, del Estado brasileño, mostramos las cinco rutas; ellos dijeron: ¡ahora veo que esto es en serio!",2582.94,2589.98,{"idx":3272,"utterance_id":3273,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3274,"start_s":3275,"end_s":3276,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},538,"172490","Entonces, la parte de infraestructura es la base.",2590.54,2592.58,{"idx":3278,"utterance_id":3279,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3280,"start_s":3281,"end_s":3282,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},539,"172491","Pero paralelamente a la base, tenemos seguridad fronteriza con el Ministerio de Justicia.",2593.08,2597,{"idx":3284,"utterance_id":3285,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3286,"start_s":3287,"end_s":3288,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},540,"172492","crímenes transnacionales, contrabando, etc.",2597.82,2599.78,{"idx":3290,"utterance_id":3291,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3292,"start_s":3293,"end_s":3294,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},541,"172493","Tenemos la parte de aduana con el Ministerio de Hacienda; el Ministerio de Hacienda ya reservó, inclusive técnicos del concurso.",2600.6,2606.5,{"idx":3296,"utterance_id":3297,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3298,"start_s":3299,"end_s":3300,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},542,"172494","ahora, para ponerlos en las rutas donde faltan, va a faltar personal.",2606.56,2610.02,{"idx":3302,"utterance_id":3303,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3304,"start_s":3305,"end_s":3306,"word_count":281,"indexable":74},543,"172495","Y en esa ruta de Mato Grosso do Sul ya estamos discutiendo con Paraguay un modelo similar al que Paraguay ya hace con Argentina y con Chile, que es esa cabecera doble.",2610.6,2619.88,{"idx":3308,"utterance_id":3309,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3310,"start_s":3311,"end_s":3312,"word_count":406,"indexable":74},544,"172496","Entonces, tanto por el lado de Paraná, porque nuestra ruta bioceánica involucra al estado de Paraná y a Mato Grosso do Sul, como por el estado de Mato Grosso do Sul, ya está en el proyecto de la obra del puente y de la rotonda, las dos aduanas; por tanto, corresponde que sean dobles, para que podamos empezar a agilizar.",2620.32,2635.5,{"idx":3314,"utterance_id":3315,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3316,"start_s":3317,"end_s":3318,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},545,"172497","Y en ese punto, la inteligencia artificial, ese mundo nuevo del que hablamos, va a ayudar mucho.",2635.52,2640.96,{"idx":3320,"utterance_id":3321,"speaker_name":69,"text":3322,"start_s":3323,"end_s":3324,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},546,"172498","Tenemos otro capítulo sobre Shanghái, ¿no?",2642.18,2644.76,{"idx":3326,"utterance_id":3327,"speaker_name":69,"text":3328,"start_s":3329,"end_s":3330,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},547,"172499","Entonces, este asunto lo estamos empezando a trabajar: Shanghái, ese puerto peruano con inversión china, que es el mejor puerto de América del Sur.",2644.88,2659.44,{"idx":3332,"utterance_id":3333,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3334,"start_s":3335,"end_s":3336,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},548,"172500","Estuve allí.",2659.66,2660.16,{"idx":3338,"utterance_id":3339,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3340,"start_s":3341,"end_s":3342,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},549,"172501","Aún no es más grande que el Puerto de Santos, pero es lo más moderno del mundo.",2660.68,2666.4,{"idx":3344,"utterance_id":3345,"speaker_name":69,"text":3346,"start_s":3347,"end_s":3348,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},550,"172502","Más moderno, ¿no?",2666.76,2667.28,{"idx":3350,"utterance_id":3351,"speaker_name":69,"text":3352,"start_s":3353,"end_s":3354,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},551,"172503","Pero es inaccesible para Brasil, para los productos brasileños, por ahora.",2667.34,2671.3,{"idx":3356,"utterance_id":3357,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3358,"start_s":3359,"end_s":3360,"word_count":294,"indexable":74},552,"172504","Por ahora, pero es temporal, porque una de las intenciones, inclusive de China, Colombia, Perú y Brasil, es, vía Ruta 2, que es la ruta amazónica, lograr interconectar un ferrocarril que salga de Bahía.",2671.92,2686.34,{"idx":3362,"utterance_id":3363,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3364,"start_s":3365,"end_s":3366,"word_count":347,"indexable":74},553,"172505","Atravesaría la región de Matupiba, en Tocantins, iría hasta Acre, por arriba, y llegaría hasta la Cordillera de los Andes, en Perú, para facilitar también la llegada de productos y la exportación de nuestro agronegocio, que es la región del centro-oeste brasileño, también por arriba.",2687.06,2703.3,{"idx":3368,"utterance_id":3369,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3370,"start_s":3371,"end_s":3372,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},554,"172506","Porque solo nuestra ruta no va a soportar todo el tráfico.",2703.98,2707.16,{"idx":3374,"utterance_id":3375,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3376,"start_s":3377,"end_s":3378,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},555,"172507","No tenemos condiciones con la ruta bioceánica, so pena de traer miseria, traer una serie de problemas sociales, de violencia y todo eso.",2707.2,2713.7,{"idx":3380,"utterance_id":3381,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3382,"start_s":3383,"end_s":3384,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},556,"172508","Están intentando diseñar un ferrocarril.",2715.66,2718.52,{"idx":3386,"utterance_id":3387,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3388,"start_s":3389,"end_s":3390,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},557,"172509","Hoy, hasta cierto punto, es accesible por la cordillera.",2718.98,2721.74,{"idx":3392,"utterance_id":3393,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3394,"start_s":3395,"end_s":3396,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},558,"172510","¿Cómo va a ser accesible por la cordillera aquí nuestra llegada a Antofagasta por Chile?",2721.88,2727.22,{"idx":3398,"utterance_id":3399,"speaker_name":69,"text":3400,"start_s":3401,"end_s":3402,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},559,"172511","Subiendo por ahí, ¿no?",2727.24,2727.68,{"idx":3404,"utterance_id":3405,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3406,"start_s":3407,"end_s":3408,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},560,"172512","Subiendo un poco.",2728.08,2728.9,{"idx":3410,"utterance_id":3411,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3412,"start_s":3413,"end_s":3414,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},561,"172513","Entonces, pero nada que, de nuevo, la tecnología y la buena voluntad no resuelvan.",2729.32,2732.64,{"idx":3416,"utterance_id":3417,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3418,"start_s":3419,"end_s":3420,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},562,"172514","Está en estudio cómo hacer para... trasponer ese obstáculo natural de las cordilleras de los Andes.",2733,2739.84,{"idx":3422,"utterance_id":3423,"speaker_name":69,"text":3424,"start_s":3425,"end_s":3426,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},563,"172515","¿Qué longitud tendría ese trazado ferroviario?",2740.26,2742.06,{"idx":3428,"utterance_id":3429,"speaker_name":69,"text":3430,"start_s":3431,"end_s":3432,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},564,"172516","Volvemos a hablar de ferrocarril otra vez, ¿no?",2742.26,2744.24,{"idx":3434,"utterance_id":3435,"speaker_name":69,"text":3436,"start_s":3437,"end_s":3438,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},565,"172517","Entonces, ¿qué distancia aproximada tendría ese trazado?",2744.28,2747.38,{"idx":3440,"utterance_id":3441,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3442,"start_s":3443,"end_s":3444,"word_count":257,"indexable":74},566,"172518","Porque, así, en Bahía ya hay: Vale está haciendo un tramo; entonces, si contamos el tramo que las dos van a hacer en los próximos años, no estamos hablando de menos de 2.000 kilómetros dentro de Brasil.",2747.44,2758.94,{"idx":3446,"utterance_id":3447,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3448,"start_s":3449,"end_s":3450,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},567,"172519","No estamos hablando de una distancia menor.",2759.34,2760.26,{"idx":3452,"utterance_id":3453,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3454,"start_s":3455,"end_s":3456,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},568,"172520","Y del lado de Mato Grosso do Sul, ¿de qué forma lo haremos: con ancho de vía amplio o no, reactivar nuestra rodovia de Rumo?",2761.02,2769.7,{"idx":3458,"utterance_id":3459,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3460,"start_s":3461,"end_s":3462,"word_count":281,"indexable":74},569,"172521","Logramos resolver el problema con el Tribunal de Cuentas en lo que se refiere a carreteras, las concesiones, la repactuación, porque un consejero asumió y otro consejero tuvo una visión diferente en el caso del ferrocarril.",2770.92,2781.66,{"idx":3464,"utterance_id":3465,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3466,"start_s":3467,"end_s":3468,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},570,"172522","Decimos así: mira, no puede ser, ¿no?",2781.68,2782.94,{"idx":3470,"utterance_id":3471,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3472,"start_s":3473,"end_s":3474,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},571,"172523","Entonces estamos intentando sensibilizar, mostrar lo siguiente: mira, acabamos de tener... una luz verde respecto al 63 y al 262.",2784.38,2792.08,{"idx":3476,"utterance_id":3477,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3478,"start_s":3479,"end_s":3480,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},572,"172524","No tiene sentido para el ferrocarril, porque otro consejero tiene un concepto diferente.",2792.92,2797.08,{"idx":3482,"utterance_id":3483,"speaker_name":69,"text":3484,"start_s":3485,"end_s":3486,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},573,"172525","Hay un recurso en curso, ¿eso es, no?",2797.44,2798.92,{"idx":3488,"utterance_id":3489,"speaker_name":69,"text":3490,"start_s":3491,"end_s":3492,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},574,"172526","Aún no está totalmente definido.",2799.46,2801.6,{"idx":3494,"utterance_id":3495,"speaker_name":69,"text":3496,"start_s":3497,"end_s":3498,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},575,"172527","Solo que la gente entienda: estamos hablando de la Malha Oeste.",2801.62,2804,{"idx":3500,"utterance_id":3501,"speaker_name":69,"text":3502,"start_s":3503,"end_s":3504,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},576,"172528","Ahora, ¿usted cree que la Malha Oeste, revitalizada con un nuevo ancho de vía, tendría potencial, por ejemplo, sería también una alternativa para el Pacífico?",2804.28,2816.3,{"idx":3506,"utterance_id":3507,"speaker_name":69,"text":3508,"start_s":3509,"end_s":3510,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},577,"172529","¿O hay algún tramo allí que... ?",2816.8,2818.2,{"idx":3512,"utterance_id":3513,"speaker_name":69,"text":3514,"start_s":3515,"end_s":3516,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},578,"172530","¿Y en Bolivia?",2818.66,2819.34,{"idx":3518,"utterance_id":3519,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3520,"start_s":3521,"end_s":3522,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},579,"172531","Sin duda.",2819.8,2820.52,{"idx":3524,"utterance_id":3525,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3526,"start_s":3527,"end_s":3528,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},580,"172532","Primero, Bolivia está interesada en hacerlo.",2821.54,2823.92,{"idx":3530,"utterance_id":3531,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3532,"start_s":3533,"end_s":3534,"word_count":300,"indexable":74},581,"172533","Recordemos, ese ferrocarril, que era la antigua red ferroviaria de Brasil, que comenzaba en Río de Janeiro, especialmente aquí en el Puerto de Santos, atraviesa el estado de São Paulo, atraviesa Mato Grosso do Sul, llega hasta Colombá.",2824.5,2835.84,{"idx":3536,"utterance_id":3537,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3538,"start_s":3539,"end_s":3540,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},582,"172534","Pero no se detiene en Colombá; va hasta Santa Cruz de la Sierra, en Bolivia, y allí después solo tiene un vacío entre... Santa Cruz do Iaxerra y Cochabamba.",2836.36,2845.1,{"idx":3542,"utterance_id":3543,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3544,"start_s":3545,"end_s":3546,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},583,"172535","Entonces, Bolivia ya está estudiando hacer ese tramo ferroviario también, con bancos de financiación.",2845.6,2851.92,{"idx":3548,"utterance_id":3549,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3550,"start_s":3551,"end_s":3552,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},584,"172536","Soy la gobernadora en algunos bancos multilaterales de fomento.",2852.02,2858.42,{"idx":3554,"utterance_id":3555,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3556,"start_s":3557,"end_s":3558,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},585,"172537","Así que, BID, CAF, Fomplata, Banco de Desarrollo del Caribe: soy gobernadora representando a Brasil.",2858.46,2864.74,{"idx":3560,"utterance_id":3561,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3562,"start_s":3563,"end_s":3564,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},586,"172538","Entonces, ya están conversando con Fomplata, por ejemplo, y con algunos bancos en Bolivia para hacer ese tramo.",2865.88,2870.32,{"idx":3566,"utterance_id":3567,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3568,"start_s":3569,"end_s":3570,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},587,"172539","Entonces, estamos hablando de un ferrocarril que también puede ser un ferrocarril bioceánico, ligando el Pacífico al Atlántico.",2870.36,2880.82,{"idx":3572,"utterance_id":3573,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3574,"start_s":3575,"end_s":3576,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},588,"172540","Esto sería —claro— que hablo de los próximos cinco años; no es algo para mañana.",2880.96,2886.68,{"idx":3578,"utterance_id":3579,"speaker_name":69,"text":3580,"start_s":3581,"end_s":3582,"word_count":376,"indexable":74},589,"172541","Continuemos hablando sobre política económica, Chudo, y antes de entrar en la política propiamente dicha, quería abordar más sobre este momento que el gobierno federal está atravesando, de una cruzada con las cuentas públicas, porque es algo sobre lo que la Ministra de Planificación y Presupuesto está aquí conversando con nosotros.",2886.78,2905.16,{"idx":3584,"utterance_id":3585,"speaker_name":69,"text":3586,"start_s":3587,"end_s":3588,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},590,"172542","El IOF ha sido el capítulo más reciente; es un enfrentamiento: el gobierno propuso un primer... primer formato y ya surgió la resistencia; tuvo que adaptar, poner, hacer varios cambios, en fin.",2906.02,2919.04,{"idx":3590,"utterance_id":3591,"speaker_name":69,"text":3592,"start_s":3593,"end_s":3594,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},591,"172543","¿Cree usted que el gobierno, este... este mandato actual del presidente, logra equilibrar las cuentas públicas?",2919.92,2926.94,{"idx":3596,"utterance_id":3597,"speaker_name":69,"text":3598,"start_s":3599,"end_s":3600,"word_count":281,"indexable":74},592,"172544","Y siempre hacemos ese ejercicio: el ciudadano tiene la obligación de equilibrar sus cuentas en casa, porque no hay otra forma de sobrevivir que no sea vivir bien, sano; si no, se va a arruinar.",2927.48,2938.34,{"idx":3602,"utterance_id":3603,"speaker_name":69,"text":3604,"start_s":3605,"end_s":3606,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},593,"172545","El Estado, muchas veces, parece que el Estado en su conjunto tiene una enorme dificultad para reducir gastos, para hacer ese ajuste.",2938.36,2945.3,{"idx":3608,"utterance_id":3609,"speaker_name":69,"text":3610,"start_s":3611,"end_s":3612,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},594,"172546","¿Qué está pasando en este momento?",2945.34,2947.86,{"idx":3614,"utterance_id":3615,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3616,"start_s":3617,"end_s":3618,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},595,"172547","Fabiano, nadie puede gastar más de lo que tiene.",2948.4,2950.3,{"idx":3620,"utterance_id":3621,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3622,"start_s":3623,"end_s":3624,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},596,"172548","Aún más el Estado brasileño, porque el dinero es del pueblo.",2950.62,2953.34,{"idx":3626,"utterance_id":3627,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3628,"start_s":3629,"end_s":3630,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},597,"172549","Entonces, el dinero, no tenemos que estar pagando intereses.",2953.52,2955.56,{"idx":3632,"utterance_id":3633,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3634,"start_s":3635,"end_s":3636,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},598,"172550","Pero, dicho esto, hasta por honestidad intelectual, nos encontramos con un déficit primario en Brasil sin precedentes.",2956.34,2964.94,{"idx":3638,"utterance_id":3639,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3640,"start_s":3641,"end_s":3642,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},599,"172551","Llegamos a tener un déficit de casi el 3% del PIB.",2965.54,2968.32,{"idx":3644,"utterance_id":3645,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3646,"start_s":3647,"end_s":3648,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},600,"172552","Hoy estamos casi eliminando ese déficit.",2968.42,2970.42,{"idx":3650,"utterance_id":3651,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3652,"start_s":3653,"end_s":3654,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},601,"172553","Es decir, estamos logrando prácticamente gastar solo lo que se recauda, algo que no ocurrió en el gobierno pasado.",2970.44,2977.28,{"idx":3656,"utterance_id":3657,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3658,"start_s":3659,"end_s":3660,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},602,"172554","Y yo, de nuevo, no voy a polemizar aquí.",2977.32,2979.06,{"idx":3662,"utterance_id":3663,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3664,"start_s":3665,"end_s":3666,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},603,"172555","Tuvimos una pandemia; desestructuró la máquina, pero al final, para cerrar las cuentas, Paulo Guedes, el exministro, tuvo que hacer un maquillaje contable; tuvo que fingir que no estaba gastando.",2979.12,2989.28,{"idx":3668,"utterance_id":3669,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3670,"start_s":3671,"end_s":3672,"word_count":275,"indexable":74},604,"172556","Él pospuso los precatorios, dio un 'calote' en el pago de precatorios; 'no pagar precatorios' para no quedar al final del año en rojo, para no decir que estábamos gastando más de lo que recaudábamos.",2989.6,3000,{"idx":3674,"utterance_id":3675,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3676,"start_s":3677,"end_s":3678,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},605,"172557","Hubo el tema del combustible.",3000.02,3001.6,{"idx":3680,"utterance_id":3681,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3682,"start_s":3683,"end_s":3684,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},606,"172558","Hubo el tema del combustible, que perjudicó a los estados brasileños; entonces hubo un maquillaje.",3001.88,3006.4,{"idx":3686,"utterance_id":3687,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3688,"start_s":3689,"end_s":3690,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},607,"172559","Y no estoy diciendo que no tuvieran que hacerlo.",3006.68,3008.24,{"idx":3692,"utterance_id":3693,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3694,"start_s":3695,"end_s":3696,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},608,"172560","Estoy contando hechos.",3008.26,3009.4,{"idx":3698,"utterance_id":3699,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3700,"start_s":3701,"end_s":3702,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},609,"172561","Yo estaba allí y era senadora de la República.",3009.42,3010.96,{"idx":3704,"utterance_id":3705,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3706,"start_s":3707,"end_s":3708,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},610,"172562","Así que, incluso en la cuestión del precatorio, voté a favor, reduciendo un poco, porque querían dar un calote mayor.",3011.28,3017.62,{"idx":3710,"utterance_id":3711,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3712,"start_s":3713,"end_s":3714,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},611,"172563","Dije: no, si se reduce el tamaño del calote, todo el Congreso vota.",3017.64,3020.92,{"idx":3716,"utterance_id":3717,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3718,"start_s":3719,"end_s":3720,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},612,"172564","Ahora, no estamos haciendo... es todo con mucha transparencia.",3021.48,3024.34,{"idx":3722,"utterance_id":3723,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3724,"start_s":3725,"end_s":3726,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},613,"172565","Estamos disminuyendo el déficit.",3024.62,3026.24,{"idx":3728,"utterance_id":3729,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3730,"start_s":3731,"end_s":3732,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},614,"172566","Ahora, decisión... y yo soy fiscalista, así que cuido del presupuesto y digo: no vamos a gastar más de lo que recaudamos.",3026.66,3032.62,{"idx":3734,"utterance_id":3735,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3736,"start_s":3737,"end_s":3738,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},615,"172567","Ahora... Hacer política fiscal y presupuestaria en Brasil no es responsabilidad de un solo poder; es responsabilidad de dos: Congreso Nacional y Ejecutivo, es decir, Legislativo y Ejecutivo.",3033.78,3044.54,{"idx":3740,"utterance_id":3741,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3742,"start_s":3743,"end_s":3744,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},616,"172568","Cuando enviamos algunas medidas de contención del gasto, mira, hay un desagüe aquí, hay agua filtrándose por ese desagüe y",3045,3052.44,{"idx":3746,"utterance_id":3747,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3748,"start_s":3749,"end_s":3750,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},617,"172569","etc.,",3052.5,3052.68,{"idx":3752,"utterance_id":3753,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3754,"start_s":3755,"end_s":3756,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},618,"172570","el propio Congreso Nacional reaccionó.",3053.46,3054.84,{"idx":3758,"utterance_id":3759,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3760,"start_s":3761,"end_s":3762,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},619,"172571","Dijeron: no, esto aquí no lo vamos a aceptar recortar.",3055.12,3057.06,{"idx":3764,"utterance_id":3765,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3766,"start_s":3767,"end_s":3768,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},620,"172572","Ahora, la buena noticia, entonces hablemos de cosas buenas, el propio presidente de la Cámara de Diputados y el presidente del Senado dijeron: no, nosotros queremos discutir los gastos tributarios.",3057.5,3065.3,{"idx":3770,"utterance_id":3771,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3772,"start_s":3773,"end_s":3774,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},621,"172573","Envíen medidas de contención de gastos para que no sigamos pagando intereses, para que podamos reducir los intereses, que la tasa sea neta y así sucesivamente.",3065.42,3074,{"idx":3776,"utterance_id":3777,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3778,"start_s":3779,"end_s":3780,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},622,"172574","Entonces vamos a enviar otro paquete la próxima semana para que el Congreso Nacional lo apruebe.",3074.3,3078.36,{"idx":3782,"utterance_id":3783,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3784,"start_s":3785,"end_s":3786,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},623,"172575","Entre ellas, una pelea que tengo... desde hace mucho tiempo, que es en relación con las renuncias fiscales.",3078.54,3083.68,{"idx":3788,"utterance_id":3789,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3790,"start_s":3791,"end_s":3792,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},624,"172576","¿Saben cuánto damos a ciertos sectores?",3084.14,3086.14,{"idx":3794,"utterance_id":3795,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3796,"start_s":3797,"end_s":3798,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},625,"172577","No estoy diciendo si debe ser así o no, algunos deben continuar.",3086.16,3088.4,{"idx":3800,"utterance_id":3801,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3802,"start_s":3803,"end_s":3804,"word_count":257,"indexable":74},626,"172578","Para los sectores: el sector agropecuario, que es el mío, el sector del comercio, el sector de la industria, en fin, Zona Franca de Manaus, el Distrito Federal, que tiene un fondo específico del Distrito Federal, casi 800 mil millones de reales.",3088.82,3103.56,{"idx":3806,"utterance_id":3807,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3808,"start_s":3809,"end_s":3810,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},627,"172579","no son millones, lo que deja de entrar en las arcas públicas.",3104,3106.98,{"idx":3812,"utterance_id":3813,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3814,"start_s":3815,"end_s":3816,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},628,"172580","¿Qué quiero decirles a quienes nos están siguiendo?",3107,3108.76,{"idx":3818,"utterance_id":3819,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3820,"start_s":3821,"end_s":3822,"word_count":257,"indexable":74},629,"172581","Es dinero que a veces falta para construir un hospital de alta tecnología, para invertir en ciencia, para descubrir la cura de un cáncer, para mejorar la calidad de la merienda escolar, para construir ferrocarriles, que Henrique exigió.",3109.18,3121.8,{"idx":763,"utterance_id":3824,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3825,"start_s":3826,"end_s":3827,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},"172582","Entonces, la renuncia tiene un costo.",3122.28,3124.28,{"idx":3829,"utterance_id":3830,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3831,"start_s":3832,"end_s":3833,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},631,"172583","El gobierno brasileño no tiene dinero para realizar los sueños de la gente.",3125,3128.26,{"idx":3835,"utterance_id":3836,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3837,"start_s":3838,"end_s":3839,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},632,"172584","Entonces, en ese aspecto, tenemos que, cada año, revisar.",3128.92,3131.76,{"idx":64,"utterance_id":3841,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3842,"start_s":3843,"end_s":3844,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},"172585","Lo que era bueno como incentivo fiscal, y lo era a veces hace 30 años, ahora ya no lo es.",3132.16,3136.36,{"idx":3846,"utterance_id":3847,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3848,"start_s":3849,"end_s":3850,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},634,"172586","Entonces, el Congreso Nacional está comprometido con ello.",3136.66,3140.8,{"idx":3852,"utterance_id":3853,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3854,"start_s":3855,"end_s":3856,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},635,"172587","Lo único que quisiera concluir es lo siguiente, y de nuevo, el pobre no consigue clamar.",3141.1,3146,{"idx":3858,"utterance_id":3859,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3860,"start_s":3861,"end_s":3862,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},636,"172588","No tiene un canal.",3146.68,3147.98,{"idx":3864,"utterance_id":3865,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3866,"start_s":3867,"end_s":3868,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},637,"172589","abierto, directo, desde el teléfono celular, al presidente de la Cámara de Diputados, al del Senado, al presidente de la República, a la Ministra.",3148.42,3153.1,{"idx":3870,"utterance_id":3871,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3872,"start_s":3873,"end_s":3874,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},638,"172590","Entonces, los que pelean hoy son los grandes lobbies.",3153.56,3155.84,{"idx":3876,"utterance_id":3877,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3878,"start_s":3879,"end_s":3880,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},639,"172591","La población que está trabajando, teniendo que ganarse el pan de cada día, no puede gritar.",3156.62,3160.8,{"idx":3882,"utterance_id":3883,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3884,"start_s":3885,"end_s":3886,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},640,"172592","Entonces, ¿qué sucede?",3161.18,3162.02,{"idx":3888,"utterance_id":3889,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3890,"start_s":3891,"end_s":3892,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},641,"172593","Cuando se toca a algunos sectores, esos sectores gritan.",3162.08,3164.94,{"idx":3894,"utterance_id":3895,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3896,"start_s":3897,"end_s":3898,"word_count":287,"indexable":74},642,"172594","Y tenemos que intentar entender en Brasil lo siguiente: no es posible que la clase media empobrecida pague el 17% de impuestos; quienes ganan 7.000, 8.000 o 9.000 reales al mes paguen el 17%.",3165.4,3177.04,{"idx":3900,"utterance_id":3901,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3902,"start_s":3903,"end_s":3904,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},643,"172595","de impuestos y, de repente, algunos sectores no pagan ni siquiera el 10%.",3177.54,3182.18,{"idx":3906,"utterance_id":3907,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3908,"start_s":3909,"end_s":3910,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},644,"172596","Entonces, hay que hacer un reajuste tributario.",3182.56,3185.38,{"idx":3912,"utterance_id":3913,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3914,"start_s":3915,"end_s":3916,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},645,"172597","Si gano millones, ¿cuál es el problema de aportar el 10% de esa contribución?",3185.78,3189.66,{"idx":3918,"utterance_id":3919,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3920,"start_s":3921,"end_s":3922,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},646,"172598","Entonces, digo todo esto porque el gran problema para cuadrar las cuentas está en una promesa de campaña del presidente Lula.",3189.68,3195.58,{"idx":3924,"utterance_id":3925,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3926,"start_s":3927,"end_s":3928,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},647,"172599","Independientemente de que usted haya votado por él o no, en una democracia hay que respetar a quien fue elegido y las promesas que hizo un presidente; él tiene que cumplirlas.",3196.22,3203.24,{"idx":3930,"utterance_id":3931,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3932,"start_s":3933,"end_s":3934,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},648,"172600","Y una de las promesas del presidente fue: voy a exentar...",3203.8,3206.98,{"idx":3936,"utterance_id":3937,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3938,"start_s":3939,"end_s":3940,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},649,"172601","del impuesto a quienes ganen hasta R$ 5 mil.",3207.38,3209.44,{"idx":3942,"utterance_id":3943,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3944,"start_s":3945,"end_s":3946,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},650,"172602","Quienes ganen hasta R$ 5 mil estarán exentos del impuesto sobre la renta.",3210.14,3212.78,{"idx":3948,"utterance_id":3949,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3950,"start_s":3951,"end_s":3952,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},651,"172603","Hoy es R$ 3 mil, un poco menos que eso.",3213.14,3214.92,{"idx":3954,"utterance_id":3955,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3956,"start_s":3957,"end_s":3958,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},652,"172604","Y además habrá una reducción del impuesto sobre la renta para quienes ganen entre R$ 5 mil y R$ 7 mil.",3216.08,3220.5,{"idx":3960,"utterance_id":3961,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3962,"start_s":3963,"end_s":3964,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},653,"172605","Ah, pero yo no estoy de acuerdo.",3221.12,3222.12,{"idx":3966,"utterance_id":3967,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3968,"start_s":3969,"end_s":3970,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},654,"172606","No importa.",3222.24,3223.02,{"idx":3972,"utterance_id":3973,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3974,"start_s":3975,"end_s":3976,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},655,"172607","Fue el proyecto vencedor.",3223.44,3225.14,{"idx":3978,"utterance_id":3979,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3980,"start_s":3981,"end_s":3982,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},656,"172608","Hay que aceptar ganar y perder en una democracia.",3225.86,3228.66,{"idx":3984,"utterance_id":3985,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3986,"start_s":3987,"end_s":3988,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},657,"172609","Entonces, cuando el presidente dice 'voy a exentar' y envía el proyecto, eso me causa un problema a mí, como ministro del Presupuesto.",3229.04,3236.6,{"idx":3990,"utterance_id":3991,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3992,"start_s":3993,"end_s":3994,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},658,"172610","Para exentar, voy a dejar de recaudar casi, no sé, 30 mil millones de reales.",3237.24,3242.9,{"idx":3996,"utterance_id":3997,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3998,"start_s":3999,"end_s":4000,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},659,"172611","¿Cómo voy a suplir esa deficiencia?",3243.46,3246,{"idx":4002,"utterance_id":4003,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4004,"start_s":4005,"end_s":4006,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},660,"172612","Que la forma inteligente es revisando los gastos.",3246.5,3248.92,{"idx":4008,"utterance_id":4009,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4010,"start_s":4011,"end_s":4012,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},661,"172613","Pero es fácil decirlo.",3249.42,3250.42,{"idx":4014,"utterance_id":4015,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4016,"start_s":4017,"end_s":4018,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},662,"172614","A la hora de pedir votos en el Congreso Nacional, es difícil que alguien quiera revisar.",3250.86,3255.52,{"idx":4020,"utterance_id":4021,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4022,"start_s":4023,"end_s":4024,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},663,"172615","Qué bueno que el presidente de la Cámara de Diputados y del Senado...",3255.84,3257.36,{"idx":4026,"utterance_id":4027,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4028,"start_s":4029,"end_s":4030,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},664,"172616","ahora aceptan revisar gastos.",3257.4,3258.66,{"idx":4032,"utterance_id":4033,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4034,"start_s":4035,"end_s":4036,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},665,"172617","Entonces, no es necesario aumentar los impuestos.",3258.68,3259.94,{"idx":4038,"utterance_id":4039,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4040,"start_s":4041,"end_s":4042,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},666,"172618","De hecho, no tengo que aumentar los impuestos.",3260.26,3261.68,{"idx":4044,"utterance_id":4045,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4046,"start_s":4047,"end_s":4048,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},667,"172619","El pueblo brasileño paga muchos impuestos, en términos generales.",3261.7,3264.06,{"idx":4050,"utterance_id":4051,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4052,"start_s":4053,"end_s":4054,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},668,"172620","Ahora bien, hay algún sector u otro que aún no paga impuestos en Brasil.",3264.38,3267.38,{"idx":4056,"utterance_id":4057,"speaker_name":69,"text":4058,"start_s":4059,"end_s":4060,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},669,"172621","Entonces, ese fue el punto, ministra.",3267.78,3269.06,{"idx":4062,"utterance_id":4063,"speaker_name":69,"text":4064,"start_s":4065,"end_s":4066,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},670,"172622","Bueno, el primer punto sería: si se trata de 800 mil millones de renuncias fiscales, más o menos, ¿es eso, no?",3269.52,3274.52,{"idx":4068,"utterance_id":4069,"speaker_name":69,"text":4070,"start_s":4071,"end_s":4072,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},671,"172623","De renuncia fiscal, ¿no?",3274.62,3275.5,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":4074,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4075,"start_s":4076,"end_s":4077,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},"172624","Sí, incluyendo los crediticios y financieros.",3275.72,3277.92,{"idx":4079,"utterance_id":4080,"speaker_name":69,"text":4081,"start_s":4082,"end_s":4083,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},673,"172625","El déficit hoy, anual... ¿sería el 10% de eso?",3278.22,3281.5,{"idx":4085,"utterance_id":4086,"speaker_name":69,"text":4087,"start_s":4088,"end_s":4089,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},674,"172626","No, el déficit es mucho menor hoy.",3282.04,3283.44,{"idx":4091,"utterance_id":4092,"speaker_name":69,"text":4093,"start_s":4094,"end_s":4095,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},675,"172627","¿Mucho menos que eso?",3283.52,3284.12,{"idx":4097,"utterance_id":4098,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4099,"start_s":4100,"end_s":4101,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},676,"172628","Hoy el déficit, incluso por la ley del marco fiscal, el déficit de Brasil no puede superar los 30 mil millones por año.",3284.32,3291.96,{"idx":4103,"utterance_id":4104,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4105,"start_s":4101,"end_s":4106,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},677,"172629","30 mil millones por año.",3292.7,{"idx":4108,"utterance_id":4109,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4110,"start_s":4111,"end_s":4112,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},678,"172630","Sí, 30 mil millones por año.",3293.08,3294.3,{"idx":4114,"utterance_id":4115,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4116,"start_s":4117,"end_s":4118,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},679,"172631","Es decir, necesito solo el 5% de eso.",3294.32,3296.3,{"idx":835,"utterance_id":4120,"speaker_name":69,"text":4121,"start_s":4122,"end_s":4123,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},"172632","Y el EF lo resolvería.",3297.34,3298.32,{"idx":4125,"utterance_id":4126,"speaker_name":69,"text":4127,"start_s":4128,"end_s":4129,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},681,"172633","entonces, né?",3298.36,3298.66,{"idx":4131,"utterance_id":4132,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4133,"start_s":4134,"end_s":4135,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},682,"172634","El EF lo resolvería.",3299.42,3300.26,{"idx":4137,"utterance_id":4138,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4139,"start_s":4140,"end_s":4141,"word_count":241,"indexable":74},683,"172635","Pero si no es la voluntad del Congreso Nacional, porque, de nuevo, la democracia es un diálogo entre dos cámaras, ellos van a... Tendrán que ayudarnos en otras cosas.",3300.64,3307.3,{"idx":4143,"utterance_id":4144,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4145,"start_s":4146,"end_s":4147,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},684,"172636","Ahora dijeron que nos ayudarán.",3307.32,3308.84,{"idx":4149,"utterance_id":4150,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4151,"start_s":4152,"end_s":4153,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},685,"172637","Dejamos el super simples fuera, porque eso genera millones de empleos.",3309.12,3312.78,{"idx":4155,"utterance_id":4156,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4157,"start_s":4158,"end_s":4159,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},686,"172638","Creo que el super simples es un gasto tributario sano.",3312.8,3315.4,{"idx":4161,"utterance_id":4162,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4163,"start_s":4164,"end_s":4165,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},687,"172639","Es bueno.",3315.58,3315.94,{"idx":4167,"utterance_id":4168,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4169,"start_s":4170,"end_s":4171,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},688,"172640","Funciona bien, porque da un respiro al comerciante, especialmente al pequeño.",3316.56,3320.08,{"idx":4173,"utterance_id":4174,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4175,"start_s":4176,"end_s":4177,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},689,"172641","Dejamos algunos gastos tributarios que aún son importantes y vamos a tocar lo que ya no tiene sentido.",3320.62,3325.74,{"idx":4179,"utterance_id":4180,"speaker_name":69,"text":4181,"start_s":4182,"end_s":4183,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},690,"172642","Usted ya estuvo del otro lado del Congreso Nacional.",3325.82,3327.9,{"idx":4185,"utterance_id":4186,"speaker_name":69,"text":4187,"start_s":4188,"end_s":4189,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},691,"172643","¿Cuál es la responsabilidad del Congreso Nacional en este momento con respecto a las enmiendas?",3327.96,3332.04,{"idx":4191,"utterance_id":4192,"speaker_name":69,"text":4193,"start_s":4194,"end_s":4195,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},692,"172644","¿Cuál es su postura al respecto y por qué es tan difícil también revisarlas?",3332.32,3336.44,{"idx":4197,"utterance_id":4198,"speaker_name":69,"text":4199,"start_s":4200,"end_s":4201,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},693,"172645","¿Como jefa que tiene la llave del cofre?",3336.48,3337.98,{"idx":4203,"utterance_id":4204,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4205,"start_s":4206,"end_s":4207,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},694,"172646","Nunca criminalicé la política.",3338.7,3340.22,{"idx":4209,"utterance_id":4210,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4211,"start_s":4212,"end_s":4213,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},695,"172647","Mala con ella, mucho peor sin ella.",3340.38,3342.5,{"idx":4215,"utterance_id":4216,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4217,"start_s":4218,"end_s":4219,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},696,"172648","Sería ojo por ojo, diente por diente.",3342.62,3344.2,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":4221,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4222,"start_s":4223,"end_s":4224,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},"172649","Nos pelearíamos en el semáforo por un choque de coches, no habría policía para decir en la pericia que tú estabas equivocada y yo tenía razón.",3344.22,3351.2,{"idx":4226,"utterance_id":4227,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4228,"start_s":4229,"end_s":4230,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},698,"172650","Entonces empieza por ahí.",3351.6,3352.3,{"idx":4232,"utterance_id":4233,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4234,"start_s":4235,"end_s":4236,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},699,"172651","La política es eso, ¿no?",3352.38,3353.1,{"idx":4238,"utterance_id":4239,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4240,"start_s":4241,"end_s":4242,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},700,"172652","La gente piensa que la política es solo... La política está en el día a día, ¿eh?",3353.18,3356.28,{"idx":4244,"utterance_id":4245,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4246,"start_s":4247,"end_s":4248,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},701,"172653","Incluso, si puedo o no venir aquí a insultar a alguien, ¿no?",3356.56,3361,{"idx":4250,"utterance_id":4251,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4252,"start_s":4253,"end_s":4254,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},702,"172654","Regula nuestra vida, ¿no?",3361.16,3364.74,{"idx":4256,"utterance_id":4257,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4258,"start_s":4259,"end_s":4260,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},703,"172655","Y nunca criminalicé las enmiendas parlamentarias.",3364.8,3367.9,{"idx":4262,"utterance_id":4263,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4264,"start_s":4265,"end_s":4266,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},704,"172656","ya sean de la Cámara de Concejales o del Congreso Nacional.",3369.16,3371.92,{"idx":4268,"utterance_id":4269,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4270,"start_s":4271,"end_s":4272,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},705,"172657","Si se hace en una medida justa, es una forma de compartir y democratizar la gestión pública.",3371.94,3377.8,{"idx":4274,"utterance_id":4275,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4276,"start_s":4277,"end_s":4278,"word_count":241,"indexable":74},706,"172658","Yo voy allá a la base, sé lo que un barrio quiere, sé lo que una madre necesita, sé lo que un trabajador está reclamando.",3378.26,3384.06,{"idx":4280,"utterance_id":4281,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4282,"start_s":4283,"end_s":4284,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},707,"172659","El problema es que las enmiendas hoy son de tal magnitud",3384.6,3388.48,{"idx":4286,"utterance_id":4287,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4288,"start_s":4289,"end_s":4290,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},708,"172660","y de valor, que prácticamente secuestran parte del presupuesto brasileño.",3388.82,3394.1,{"idx":4292,"utterance_id":4293,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4294,"start_s":4295,"end_s":4296,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},709,"172661","Doy un ejemplo simple.",3394.52,3395.64,{"idx":4298,"utterance_id":4299,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4300,"start_s":4301,"end_s":4302,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},710,"172662","Uno dice: ¡vaya!, el presupuesto brasileño es de más de 5 billones de reales.",3395.92,3400.42,{"idx":4304,"utterance_id":4305,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4306,"start_s":4307,"end_s":4308,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},711,"172663","Quitando el servicio de la deuda, que tengo que pagar por préstamos contraídos por otros gobiernos, por todos los gobiernos, tengo, digamos, un presupuesto de 3 billones.",3400.96,3409.52,{"idx":4310,"utterance_id":4311,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4312,"start_s":4313,"end_s":4314,"word_count":412,"indexable":74},712,"172664","Cuando analizo lo que queda de libertad para que un presidente actúe —voy a construir la vía férrea, voy a construir un hospital modelo regional en Campo Grande, voy a construir un millón de viviendas populares, porque tenemos un déficit de 5 millones de casas en Brasil— esa elección queda muy limitada y el presupuesto brasileño está rígido.",3409.98,3429.1,{"idx":4316,"utterance_id":4317,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4318,"start_s":4319,"end_s":4320,"word_count":241,"indexable":74},713,"172665","De los 3 billones, tengo que, antes, pagar más del 40% en jubilados, nómina de funcionarios, planes, programas como el BPC, programas sociales, piso de la educación, piso de la salud.",3429.16,3442.72,{"idx":4322,"utterance_id":4323,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4324,"start_s":4325,"end_s":4326,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},714,"172666","Entonces, ¿qué queda?",3442.74,3443.54,{"idx":4328,"utterance_id":4329,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4330,"start_s":4331,"end_s":4332,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},715,"172667","De los 5 de antes, quedaron 3 billones.",3444.3,3447.7,{"idx":4334,"utterance_id":4335,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4336,"start_s":4337,"end_s":4338,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},716,"172668","De los 3 billones, quedaron 210, 220 mil millones de reales.",3447.72,3453.02,{"idx":4340,"utterance_id":4341,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4342,"start_s":4343,"end_s":4344,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},717,"172669","Mire, empecé hablando de 5 billones.",3453.04,3455.08,{"idx":4346,"utterance_id":4347,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4348,"start_s":4349,"end_s":4350,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},718,"172670","Estoy diciendo que hay disponible, de libre disposición, 210, 220 mil millones.",3455.1,3460.34,{"idx":4352,"utterance_id":4353,"speaker_name":69,"text":4354,"start_s":4355,"end_s":4356,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},719,"172671","¿Las enmiendas?",3460.48,3461.1,{"idx":4358,"utterance_id":4359,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4360,"start_s":4361,"end_s":4362,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},720,"172672","Las enmiendas corresponden a casi 60.",3461.68,3463.74,{"idx":4364,"utterance_id":4365,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4366,"start_s":4367,"end_s":4368,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},721,"172673","Y si lo analizo fríamente, ni siquiera son 210 lo que el gobierno tiene en total.",3464.56,3468.86,{"idx":4370,"utterance_id":4371,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4372,"start_s":4373,"end_s":4374,"word_count":300,"indexable":74},722,"172674","porque todavía tengo una parte que llamamos 'libre y vinculada', tengo que destinar aún más a la salud y a la educación, no estoy diciendo que no deba hacerse, solo digo hechos.",3469.7,3477.98,{"idx":4376,"utterance_id":4377,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4378,"start_s":4379,"end_s":4380,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},723,"172675","Entonces, cuando lo veas, el gobierno tiene, estoy citando números redondos porque no lo llevo todo en la cabeza, pero es más o menos por ahí, ¿eh?",3478.48,3484.52,{"idx":4382,"utterance_id":4383,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4384,"start_s":4385,"end_s":4386,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},724,"172676","El gobierno tiene, hoy el Congreso Nacional debe tener casi el 40% del presupuesto disponible en Brasil en forma de enmiendas.",3485.44,3493.38,{"idx":4388,"utterance_id":4389,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4390,"start_s":4391,"end_s":4392,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},725,"172677","Así que tendrá que gastar bien ese dinero, porque si no va a faltar.",3494.08,3496.8,{"idx":4394,"utterance_id":4395,"speaker_name":69,"text":4396,"start_s":4397,"end_s":4398,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},726,"172678","Y existe una dificultad que ya se ha debatido mucho en relación con el rastreo de las enmiendas.",3496.98,3501.92,{"idx":4400,"utterance_id":4401,"speaker_name":69,"text":4402,"start_s":4403,"end_s":4404,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},727,"172679","Que necesita transparencia, claro.",3502.3,3504.14,{"idx":4406,"utterance_id":4407,"speaker_name":69,"text":4408,"start_s":4409,"end_s":4410,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},728,"172680","Es una transparencia que es algo básico para el ciudadano.",3504.2,3507.4,{"idx":4412,"utterance_id":4413,"speaker_name":69,"text":4414,"start_s":4415,"end_s":4416,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},729,"172681","Pero en ese punto parece que la justicia está encima, está rastreando.",3507.5,3511.5,{"idx":4418,"utterance_id":4419,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4420,"start_s":4421,"end_s":4422,"word_count":294,"indexable":74},730,"172682","Está exigiendo una serie de... Del mismo modo que las enmiendas son necesarias, no puedo aceptar una enmienda de comisión, una enmienda inapropiada para pagar un espectáculo en una... en una festa junina o en un aniversario de la ciudad.",3512,3527.74,{"idx":4424,"utterance_id":4425,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4426,"start_s":4427,"end_s":4428,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},731,"172683","Consigo un show, cualquiera que sea, por más caro que sea, con patrocinio.",3527.8,3531.08,{"idx":4430,"utterance_id":4431,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4432,"start_s":4433,"end_s":4434,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},732,"172684","Pero usar dinero de los impuestos del pueblo brasileño para eso, faltando tantas viviendas para las personas, faltando tantos servicios básicos.",3531.56,3538.34,{"idx":4436,"utterance_id":4437,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4438,"start_s":4439,"end_s":4440,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},733,"172685","Entonces, esos cuestionamientos se hacen y los hace el elector que va a la urna a votar después, ¿no?",3538.64,3542.36,{"idx":4442,"utterance_id":4443,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4444,"start_s":4445,"end_s":4446,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},734,"172686","Decir: 'no es para eso que los elegí'.",3542.42,3543.54,{"idx":4448,"utterance_id":4449,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4450,"start_s":4451,"end_s":4452,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},735,"172687","Entonces, la política... Estamos viviendo un momento extremadamente delicado de la política brasileña.",3544.06,3551.56,{"idx":4454,"utterance_id":4455,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4456,"start_s":4457,"end_s":4458,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},736,"172688","De ahí la importancia del diálogo.",3551.66,3553.26,{"idx":4460,"utterance_id":4461,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4462,"start_s":4463,"end_s":4464,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},737,"172689","del sentido común, de sentarse a la mesa.",3553.62,3555.54,{"idx":4466,"utterance_id":4467,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4468,"start_s":4469,"end_s":4470,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},738,"172690","Estoy bastante confiada en la nueva gestión de los presidentes de la Cámara de Diputados y del Senado para llegar a un consenso sobre lo que es mejor para Brasil este año.",3556.42,3563.82,{"idx":4472,"utterance_id":4473,"speaker_name":69,"text":4474,"start_s":4475,"end_s":4476,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},739,"172691","Estoy señalando aquí que el tiempo también se está acabando.",3565.12,3567.52,{"idx":4478,"utterance_id":4479,"speaker_name":69,"text":4480,"start_s":4481,"end_s":4482,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},740,"172692","Pero vamos a seguir, ya estamos terminando.",3567.54,3570.76,{"idx":4484,"utterance_id":4485,"speaker_name":69,"text":4486,"start_s":4487,"end_s":4488,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},741,"172693","Senadora, algunas cosas de política aquí.",3571.34,3574.28,{"idx":4490,"utterance_id":4491,"speaker_name":69,"text":4492,"start_s":4493,"end_s":4494,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},742,"172694","No soy su sparring.",3574.78,3575.72,{"idx":4496,"utterance_id":4497,"speaker_name":69,"text":4498,"start_s":4499,"end_s":4500,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},743,"172695","El MDB está en conversaciones, parece, avanzadas con republicanos.",3575.96,3582.22,{"idx":4502,"utterance_id":4503,"speaker_name":69,"text":4504,"start_s":4505,"end_s":4506,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},744,"172696","¿Es bueno o malo empezar en Bahia?",3582.6,3583.9,{"idx":4508,"utterance_id":4509,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4510,"start_s":4511,"end_s":4512,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},745,"172697","Creo que es importante para partidos como el MDB estar alineados en una federación, incluso por su propia supervivencia.",3584.8,3591.32,{"idx":4514,"utterance_id":4515,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4516,"start_s":4517,"end_s":4518,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},746,"172698","Creo que esa federación, independientemente del proceso electoral, que es otra historia, le hace bien a ambos partidos.",3591.84,3597.64,{"idx":4520,"utterance_id":4521,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4522,"start_s":4523,"end_s":4524,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},747,"172699","La conversación está avanzada.",3598.02,3599.66,{"idx":4526,"utterance_id":4527,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4528,"start_s":4529,"end_s":4530,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},748,"172700","Vi hoy que salió un artículo en un gran periódico de circulación aquí, que yo habría dicho que en 60 días tendríamos la federación.",3599.74,3607.56,{"idx":4532,"utterance_id":4533,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4534,"start_s":4535,"end_s":4536,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},749,"172701","No es eso.",3607.6,3607.98,{"idx":4538,"utterance_id":4539,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4540,"start_s":4541,"end_s":4542,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},750,"172702","En 60 días tendremos una posición.",3608.06,3609.98,{"idx":4544,"utterance_id":4545,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4546,"start_s":4547,"end_s":4548,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},751,"172703","Un movimiento.",3610,3610.8,{"idx":4550,"utterance_id":4551,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4552,"start_s":4553,"end_s":4554,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},752,"172704","Si se va a federar o no se va a federar, porque hay una serie de factores.",3611,3614.26,{"idx":4556,"utterance_id":4557,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4558,"start_s":4559,"end_s":4560,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},753,"172705","Pero más que eso, mi sueño es que el PSDB vuelva a los orígenes y vuelva a las filas del MDB, porque el PSDB es un brazo del MDB que salió hace tiempo.",3615,3624.6,{"idx":4562,"utterance_id":4563,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4564,"start_s":4565,"end_s":4566,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},754,"172706","Históricamente.",3625.4,3626.02,{"idx":4568,"utterance_id":4569,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4570,"start_s":4571,"end_s":4572,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},755,"172707","Creo que es importante para el Partido de la 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pasó?",3642.58,3643.26,{"idx":4597,"utterance_id":4598,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4599,"start_s":4600,"end_s":4601,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},760,"172712","Lo acordado no es caro.",3644.02,3644.94,{"idx":4603,"utterance_id":4604,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4605,"start_s":4606,"end_s":4607,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},761,"172713","Tuve una conversación con un candidato que estaba preso, que es André, porque le tengo cariño y aprecio.",3644.96,3652.2,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":4609,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4610,"start_s":4611,"end_s":4612,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},"172714","Y había una posibilidad, mire, vea si usted se presenta como candidata y durante el proceso puede ocurrir que yo tenga una decisión judicial y entonces yo saldría candidato, porque ya estaría 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Es decir, el hecho de haber sido candidata, incluso, probablemente podría haber sido elegida gobernadora —no me habría colocado en el Senado— no habría tenido la participación que tuve en la CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación) de la Covid, entonces, así, muchas cosas podrían no haber ocurrido; creo que opté por la mejor alternativa allí.",3669.82,3697.1,{"idx":4626,"utterance_id":4627,"speaker_name":69,"text":4628,"start_s":4629,"end_s":4630,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},765,"172717","Son posibilidades, ¿no?",3698.9,3700.16,{"idx":4632,"utterance_id":4633,"speaker_name":69,"text":4634,"start_s":4635,"end_s":4636,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},766,"172718","La elección aún está muy lejos, pero el tema está ahí, ¿no?",3701.46,3705.14,{"idx":4638,"utterance_id":4639,"speaker_name":69,"text":4640,"start_s":4641,"end_s":4642,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},767,"172719","Siempre está 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sea.",3783.5,3786.58,{"idx":4788,"utterance_id":4789,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4790,"start_s":4791,"end_s":4792,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},792,"172744","Prefiero perder en Mato Grosso do Sul a ganar en cualquier otro estado, en mandatos regionales.",3786.7,3792.16,{"idx":4794,"utterance_id":4795,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4796,"start_s":4797,"end_s":4798,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},793,"172745","Mi vida está aquí, no tengo otra raíz que no sea Mato Grosso do Sul.",3793.2,3796.54,{"idx":4800,"utterance_id":4801,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4802,"start_s":4803,"end_s":4804,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},794,"172746","del Sur, ¿no?",3796.56,3797.04,{"idx":4806,"utterance_id":4807,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4808,"start_s":4809,"end_s":4810,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},795,"172747","Entonces, esperemos para ver si ese es el mejor proyecto para Mato Grosso do Sul: si ser candidata al Senado o no.",3797.2,3802.8,{"idx":4812,"utterance_id":4813,"speaker_name":69,"text":4814,"start_s":4815,"end_s":4816,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},796,"172748","Personalmente, ¿el Senado es algo que la atrae?",3802.94,3806.78,{"idx":4818,"utterance_id":4819,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4820,"start_s":4821,"end_s":4822,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},797,"172749","Antes sí me atraía más, ¿ve?",3807.54,3808.5,{"idx":4824,"utterance_id":4825,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4826,"start_s":4827,"end_s":4828,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},798,"172750","Hoy, ir al Senado, así, por lo de mi padre...",3808.98,3811.8,{"idx":4830,"utterance_id":4831,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4832,"start_s":4833,"end_s":4834,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},799,"172751","Mi padre murió en el mandato, ¿no?",3811.86,3813.24,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":4836,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4837,"start_s":4838,"end_s":4839,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},"172752","Murió, estaba en su segundo mandato, en fin.",3813.26,3815.94,{"idx":4841,"utterance_id":4842,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4843,"start_s":4844,"end_s":4845,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},801,"172753","Y él tenía una pasión por eso.",3816.5,3818.3,{"idx":4847,"utterance_id":4848,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4849,"start_s":4850,"end_s":4851,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},802,"172754","En el Senado tienes una tribuna que te permite hablarle a Brasil, ¿no?",3818.36,3822.38,{"idx":4853,"utterance_id":4854,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4855,"start_s":4856,"end_s":4857,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},803,"172755","Pero... 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Por causa de la famosa inteligencia artificial.",3832.82,3836.28,{"idx":4883,"utterance_id":4884,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4885,"start_s":4886,"end_s":4887,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},808,"172760","¿Cómo será dentro de dos años la inteligencia artificial ocupando nuestros empleos?",3836.4,3839.8,{"idx":4889,"utterance_id":4890,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4891,"start_s":4892,"end_s":4893,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},809,"172761","Alguien dijo: 'ah, no se preocupe, algunos trabajos desaparecerán, otros surgirán.'",3840.12,3843.58,{"idx":4895,"utterance_id":4896,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4897,"start_s":4898,"end_s":4899,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},810,"172762","Y surgirán mejores, ¿no?",3844.04,3845.08,{"idx":4901,"utterance_id":4902,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4903,"start_s":4904,"end_s":4905,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},811,"172763","Desaparecerán los trabajos más cansados, vendrán 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pregunta quizá sea una de las más importantes aquí en nuestro podcast.",3895,3898.62,{"idx":5013,"utterance_id":5014,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":5015,"start_s":5016,"end_s":5017,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},830,"172782","Como nosotros, todos nosotros, economistas, periodistas, políticos, empresarios, necesitamos redescubrir Brasil.",3899.38,3906.6,{"idx":5019,"utterance_id":5020,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":5021,"start_s":5022,"end_s":5023,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},831,"172783","He viajado por Brasil tres veces.",3907.08,3909.44,{"idx":5025,"utterance_id":5026,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":5027,"start_s":5028,"end_s":5029,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},832,"172784","En los últimos dos años, como candidata, después como ministra, recorrí todos los... ¿Por qué los economistas se equivocan en la proyección del crecimiento, en la inflación, en 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