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Daniel Vorcaro.",653.18,658.58,"e65d4fb2-4316-4178-a09c-691a03f2f3c9","investigar el uso de intermediarios vinculados a políticos en contratos","menciona vínculos entre el ministro y un banquero detenido, sugiriendo investigación.",{"idx":946,"utterance_id":947,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":948,"start_s":949,"end_s":950,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},142,"194344","Él es asesor jurídico de delincuentes, tiene que quedar claro.",662.08,666.3,{"idx":952,"utterance_id":953,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":954,"start_s":955,"end_s":956,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},143,"194345","Asesor jurídico de un delincuente que está detenido y que no se considera sospechoso.",666.56,673.92,{"idx":958,"utterance_id":959,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":960,"start_s":961,"end_s":962,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},144,"194346","Ni él, ni Toffoli, ni Gilmar 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Está todo mundo comprado', pidiendo acción.",{"idx":984,"utterance_id":985,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":986,"start_s":987,"end_s":988,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},148,"194350","Todo el mundo está comprado.",701.8,703.84,{"idx":990,"utterance_id":991,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":992,"start_s":993,"end_s":994,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},149,"194351","¿Y el presidente?",704.74,705.6,{"idx":996,"utterance_id":997,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":998,"start_s":999,"end_s":1000,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},150,"194352","¿Qué dijo el presidente?",705.64,707.34,{"idx":1002,"utterance_id":1003,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1004,"start_s":1005,"end_s":1006,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},151,"194353","¿Alguien vio al 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fue.",824.14,834.96,{"idx":1234,"utterance_id":1235,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1236,"start_s":1237,"end_s":1238,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},189,"194391","Sus colegas del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), que volaron en los jets del banquero bandido, también fueron.",836.02,842.98,{"idx":1240,"utterance_id":1241,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1242,"start_s":1243,"end_s":1244,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},190,"194392","¿Quién más fue?",844.02,844.72,{"idx":1246,"utterance_id":1247,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1248,"start_s":1249,"end_s":1250,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},191,"194393","Presidente de la Cámara de Diputados, presidente del Senado, que no quieren votar por la víctima del ministro.",844.94,849.84,{"idx":1252,"utterance_id":1253,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1254,"start_s":1255,"end_s":1256,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},192,"194394","Exactamente, eso es lo que estoy diciendo.",849.86,851.06,{"idx":1258,"utterance_id":1259,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1260,"start_s":1261,"end_s":1262,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},193,"194395","Él ni quiere escuchar, no vio, no sabe.",851.22,854.1,{"idx":1264,"utterance_id":1265,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1266,"start_s":1267,"end_s":1268,"word_count":26,"indexable":74},194,"194396","Y, amigo, ¿cómo puede haber tanto poder en un tipo siendo que el Senado no debería estar en manos de una sola persona, no?",854.86,861.66,{"idx":1270,"utterance_id":1271,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1272,"start_s":1273,"end_s":1274,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":1275,"topic_label":1276,"target_id":1277,"target_proposition":1278,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":1279,"indexable":74},195,"194397","Tenemos que cambiar esa gobernanza.",862.28,863.98,"politica-institucional","Política institucional","1be45540-d282-4fc7-9bdd-ba4b86341e7c","cambiar reglas para reducir la barganha parlamentaria del Centrão","dice explícitamente 'Nós temos de mudar essa governança'.",{"idx":1281,"utterance_id":1282,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1283,"start_s":1284,"end_s":1285,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},196,"194398","Si la mayoría de los senadores... 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allí.",882.8,886.68,{"idx":1330,"utterance_id":1331,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1332,"start_s":1333,"end_s":1334,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":1335,"target_proposition":1336,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":1337,"indexable":702},203,"194405","Y no hay otro camino que el Senado para el juicio político.",886.88,889.52,"273c37b3-619d-4220-a8c1-5f80540d6551","abrir proceso de impeachment contra ministros del STF","afirma que el camino constitucional es llevar al Senado el pedido de impeachment.",{"idx":1339,"utterance_id":1340,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1341,"start_s":1342,"end_s":1343,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},204,"194406","Según la Constitución actual, no.",890.02,891.72,{"idx":1345,"utterance_id":1346,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1347,"start_s":1348,"end_s":1349,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},205,"194407","Tiene que ir al 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más vendido de ellos.",904.48,910.36,{"idx":1372,"utterance_id":1373,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1374,"start_s":1375,"end_s":1376,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1377,"target_proposition":1378,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":1379,"indexable":702},209,"194411","El fondo de pensiones de su Estado fue uno de los que hizo negocio con el Banco Master.",912.82,917.62,"cbab3654-c089-4cd4-ba5b-3e2ae33a91b3","investigar irregularidades y transferencias relacionadas con el Banco Master","sugiere que los negocios del fondo de pensiones explican la defensa frente a las investigaciones.",{"idx":1381,"utterance_id":1382,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1383,"start_s":1384,"end_s":1385,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},210,"194412","Quizá ahí esté el motivo por el que él quiere dejar todo como está, sin que las investigaciones 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allí.",948.56,949.74,{"idx":1404,"utterance_id":1405,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1406,"start_s":1407,"end_s":1408,"word_count":244,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1409,"target_proposition":1410,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":808,"rationale":1411,"indexable":702},214,"194416","Pero los políticos vendidos, que nombran el consejo de administración, esos obtuvieron algún beneficio para colocar su dinero, el mío y el de quienes nos acompañan aquí y allá.",950.2,962.12,"5290d770-63c3-44f3-87ac-fd9b1dfec622","investigar y responsabilizar a los implicados en escándalos financieros","cita un rombo en el BRB y acusa a políticos de lucrar, pidiendo responsabilización.",{"idx":1413,"utterance_id":1414,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1415,"start_s":1416,"end_s":1417,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},215,"194417","Sólo en el BRB, ¿cuánto es el agujero allí?",963.18,965.16,{"idx":1419,"utterance_id":1420,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1421,"start_s":1417,"end_s":1422,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},216,"194418","12 mil millones de reales.",966.9,{"idx":1424,"utterance_id":1425,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1426,"start_s":1427,"end_s":1428,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},217,"194419","La sensación que tenemos es que no va a pasar nada.",967.58,969.82,{"idx":1430,"utterance_id":1431,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1432,"start_s":1433,"end_s":1434,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},218,"194420","¿Crees que puede pasar algo realmente?",969.84,971.6,{"idx":1436,"utterance_id":1437,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1438,"start_s":1439,"end_s":1440,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},219,"194421","¿Que el sistema va a proteger al 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en una pelea muy grande ahí.",1035.12,1037,{"idx":1547,"utterance_id":1548,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1549,"start_s":1550,"end_s":1551,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},237,"194439","Está bien.",1037.24,1037.34,{"idx":1553,"utterance_id":1554,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1555,"start_s":1556,"end_s":1557,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},238,"194440","Y que Dios lo ilumine y que sirva para que todo el mundo aquí ore por él.",1038.58,1042.78,{"idx":1559,"utterance_id":1560,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1561,"start_s":1562,"end_s":1563,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},239,"194441","Y que tenga cuidado al subirse a un avión también, ¿no?",1042.8,1044.7,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1565,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1566,"start_s":1567,"end_s":1568,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},"194442","Porque sabemos en este país que pasan cosas 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de los otros ministros allí, y ahora quieren equipararlo a los otros ministros.",1055.86,1067.52,{"idx":1591,"utterance_id":1592,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1593,"start_s":1594,"end_s":1595,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},244,"194446","No tiene nada que ver.",1067.56,1068.92,{"idx":1597,"utterance_id":1598,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1599,"start_s":1600,"end_s":1601,"word_count":149,"topic_slug":40,"topic_label":37,"target_id":1519,"target_proposition":1520,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":1602,"indexable":702},245,"194447","André Mendonça es de otro nivel, muy superior a esos que se subieron de gratis.",1069.28,1075.92,"afirma que André Mendonça es 'outro nível', distinguiéndolo de los demás.",{"idx":28,"utterance_id":1604,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1605,"start_s":1606,"end_s":1607,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},"194448","Estoy seguro de que él nunca pediría un aventón.",1075.94,1078.42,{"idx":1609,"utterance_id":1610,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1611,"start_s":1612,"end_s":1613,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},247,"194449","Un jet de nadie.",1079.18,1080.54,{"idx":1615,"utterance_id":1616,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1617,"start_s":1618,"end_s":1619,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},248,"194450","Zema, vamos a comenzar por los asuntos allí.",1081.1,1083.2,{"idx":1621,"utterance_id":1622,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1623,"start_s":1624,"end_s":1625,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},249,"194451","Vamos a bromear primero, entonces, sobre tierras raras.",1083.24,1085.56,{"idx":1627,"utterance_id":1628,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1629,"start_s":1630,"end_s":1631,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},250,"194452","Vamos a ver qué sabes.",1085.64,1087.16,{"idx":1633,"utterance_id":1634,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1635,"start_s":1636,"end_s":1637,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},251,"194453","Te pido que te pongas los audífonos.",1087.58,1088.66,{"idx":1639,"utterance_id":1640,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1641,"start_s":1642,"end_s":1643,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},252,"194454","Vamos a poner el jingle y la broma ahí, por favor.",1089.2,1091.82,{"idx":1645,"utterance_id":1646,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1647,"start_s":1648,"end_s":1649,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},253,"194455","Muy buenas noches, Vilela.",1103.94,1105.46,{"idx":1651,"utterance_id":1652,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1653,"start_s":1654,"end_s":1655,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},254,"194456","Muy buenas noches, Zema.",1105.82,1106.9,{"idx":1657,"utterance_id":1658,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1659,"start_s":1660,"end_s":1661,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},255,"194457","Espero que estén todos bien por ahí.",1107.3,1109.52,{"idx":1663,"utterance_id":1664,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1665,"start_s":1666,"end_s":1667,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},256,"194458","Bueno, eh, he estado provocando a la gente en las redes sociales para que hablemos, eh.",1110.64,1115.62,{"idx":1669,"utterance_id":1670,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1671,"start_s":1672,"end_s":1673,"word_count":54,"indexable":74},257,"194459","Sobre tierras raras y tú, Zema, eres el tipo que fue gobernador del estado que tiene la mayor reserva de tierras raras de Brasil, una de las mayores del mundo.",1116.72,1128.16,{"idx":1675,"utterance_id":1676,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1677,"start_s":1678,"end_s":1679,"word_count":457,"indexable":74},258,"194460","Primero, si puedo hacer dos preguntas, quisiera que contaras un poco cómo fue toda esa gestión que hiciste con respecto a esto, orientada a esto, qué en tu administración hiciste enfocado en las tierras raras y... En caso de que te conviertas en presidente de Brasil, mi pregunta es muy sencilla, es una pregunta que me gustaría hacer a todos.",1129.7,1151.4,{"idx":1681,"utterance_id":1682,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1683,"start_s":1684,"end_s":1685,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},259,"194461","¿Cuáles son los planes a corto, medio y largo plazo con respecto a las tierras raras en Brasil?",1152.4,1159.58,{"idx":1687,"utterance_id":1688,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1689,"start_s":1690,"end_s":1691,"word_count":278,"indexable":74},260,"194462","Sé, conozco bien ese ámbito, sé que no puedes hacer todo de una vez, que necesitas algo para ahora, algo a medio plazo, algo a largo plazo.",1159.68,1167.56,{"idx":1693,"utterance_id":1694,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1695,"start_s":1696,"end_s":1697,"word_count":331,"indexable":74},261,"194463","Si hablamos de algo realmente a largo plazo... Sabemos que va más allá de un mandato, porque es algo que tarda mucho más que un mandato, mucho más de cuatro años, si eso interesa a quien sea presidente, en tu caso si llegas a ser presidente, ¿entendido?",1168,1183.24,{"idx":1699,"utterance_id":1700,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1701,"start_s":1702,"end_s":1703,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},262,"194464","Pero básicamente eso es.",1184.28,1185.4,{"idx":1705,"utterance_id":1706,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1707,"start_s":1708,"end_s":1709,"word_count":32,"indexable":74},263,"194465","Los planes a corto, medio y largo plazo, cómo lidiar con la cuestión ambiental y cómo lidiar con el procesamiento, que sabemos que es uno de los grandes problemas de las tierras raras hoy en día.",1186.26,1199.38,{"idx":1711,"utterance_id":1712,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1713,"start_s":1709,"end_s":1714,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":1715,"topic_label":1716,"target_id":1717,"target_proposition":1718,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":1719,"indexable":702},264,"194466","El 90% del procesamiento de tierras raras hoy lo realiza China.",1205.5,"politica-de-mineracao","Política de Minería","a86be293-5f5a-4d16-baf4-a0b0cfeeca8d","desarrollar cadena local de minería y procesamiento de tierras raras","señala la dependencia de China en el procesamiento sin proponer una medida concreta.",{"idx":1721,"utterance_id":1722,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1723,"start_s":1724,"end_s":1725,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},265,"194467","Entonces, ¿cómo vas a hacer eso?",1206.4,1208.5,{"idx":1727,"utterance_id":1728,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1729,"start_s":1730,"end_s":1731,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},266,"194468","Para la producción de óxidos, que ya es una gran ventaja, y para la producción del resultado final, que tiene aplicaciones bélicas, aplicaciones para inteligencia artificial, bastantes, por los chips y todo eso.",1208.58,1223.3,{"idx":1733,"utterance_id":1734,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1735,"start_s":1736,"end_s":1737,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},267,"194469","Entonces, de ese panorama para nosotros de tu gobierno, ¿cuáles son tus planes?",1223.32,1227.58,{"idx":1739,"utterance_id":1740,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1741,"start_s":1742,"end_s":1743,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},268,"194470","para las tierras raras de Brasil, dividido en esas etapas.",1228.28,1231.98,{"idx":1745,"utterance_id":1746,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1747,"start_s":1748,"end_s":1749,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},269,"194471","Un fuerte abrazo.",1232.52,1233.24,{"idx":1751,"utterance_id":1752,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1753,"start_s":1754,"end_s":1755,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},270,"194472","Muy buenas noches a todos por ahí.",1233.5,1234.48,{"idx":1757,"utterance_id":1758,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1759,"start_s":1760,"end_s":1761,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},271,"194473","Muy buenas noches a todo el mundo que está escuchando.",1234.78,1237.42,{"idx":1763,"utterance_id":1764,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1765,"start_s":1766,"end_s":1767,"word_count":101,"indexable":74},272,"194474","Y, como digo, en todos los lugares en los que doy conferencias, en todos los lugares en los que hablo, pregunta a tu político.",1237.72,1244.22,{"idx":1769,"utterance_id":1770,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1771,"start_s":1772,"end_s":1773,"word_count":103,"topic_slug":1774,"topic_label":1775,"target_id":1776,"target_proposition":1777,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":1778,"indexable":74},273,"194475","Tiene que haber un plan.",1244.52,1245.28,"transparencia-e-compromissos-de-governo","Transparencia y Compromisos de Gobierno","699d63c8-8919-474b-bd5d-067a846500ad","presentar un plan de gobierno público","afirma que los políticos deben tener un plan público.",{"idx":1780,"utterance_id":1781,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1782,"start_s":1783,"end_s":1784,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":1774,"topic_label":1775,"target_id":1776,"target_proposition":1777,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":1785,"indexable":702},274,"194476","Lo que no puede es no tener plan.",1246.06,1247.26,"reitera que no puede faltar un plan público de gobierno.",{"idx":1787,"utterance_id":1788,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1789,"start_s":1790,"end_s":1791,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":1774,"topic_label":1775,"target_id":1776,"target_proposition":1777,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":1792,"indexable":702},275,"194477","Puede que no estés de acuerdo con su plan, pero tiene que haber un plan.",1247.62,1250.22,"defiende que, aun en la discrepancia, el político necesita tener un plan.",{"idx":1794,"utterance_id":1795,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1796,"start_s":1797,"end_s":1798,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},276,"194478","Un gran abrazo.",1250.6,1251.22,{"idx":1800,"utterance_id":1801,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1802,"start_s":1803,"end_s":1804,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},277,"194479","¿Cuál es tu plan, Zema?",1252.52,1253.6,{"idx":1806,"utterance_id":1807,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1808,"start_s":1809,"end_s":1810,"word_count":103,"topic_slug":1774,"topic_label":1775,"target_id":1776,"target_proposition":1777,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":1811,"indexable":74},278,"194480","No puede ser un plan secreto.",1255.3,1256.38,"dice explícitamente que el plan no puede ser secreto.",{"idx":1813,"utterance_id":1814,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1815,"start_s":1816,"end_s":1817,"word_count":96,"topic_slug":1774,"topic_label":1775,"target_id":1776,"target_proposition":1777,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":1818,"indexable":74},279,"194481","No es secreto, no.",1257.36,1258.4,"afirma que el plan 'não é secreto', defendiendo la transparencia.",{"idx":1820,"utterance_id":1821,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1822,"start_s":1823,"end_s":1824,"word_count":266,"topic_slug":1715,"topic_label":1716,"target_id":1825,"target_proposition":1826,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":1827,"indexable":702},280,"194482","Vilela, siempre me gusta decir que las tierras raras aquí en Brasil deben seguir un camino similar al que Brasil siguió y fue muy exitoso, que es el caso del niobio.",1259.84,1277.4,"b9a8a277-f33f-4316-9ed4-4351fdc52e6c","realizar el procesamiento y la beneficiación de minerales en Brasil","propone seguir el ejemplo del niobio y dominar la tecnología nacional.",{"idx":1829,"utterance_id":1830,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1831,"start_s":1832,"end_s":1833,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},281,"194483","No sé si conoces el caso del niobio.",1278.18,1280.92,{"idx":1835,"utterance_id":1836,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1837,"start_s":1838,"end_s":1839,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},282,"194484","La mayor mina de niobio de Brasil está en la ciudad de Araxá.",1282.04,1287.98,{"idx":1841,"utterance_id":1842,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1843,"start_s":1844,"end_s":1845,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},283,"194485","Hace cerca de 80 años, 70 años, se descubrió ese yacimiento en Araxá.",1288,1296.08,{"idx":1847,"utterance_id":1848,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1849,"start_s":1850,"end_s":1851,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},284,"194486","Y una empresa brasileña que formó una joint venture, una asociación con una empresa estadounidense, desarrolló toda la tecnología para separar el niobio de la tierra, del lodo, de la arcilla donde se encuentra allí.",1297.56,1316.56,{"idx":1853,"utterance_id":1854,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1855,"start_s":1856,"end_s":1857,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},285,"194487","en la ciudad de Araxá.",1316.98,1318.2,{"idx":1859,"utterance_id":1860,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1861,"start_s":1862,"end_s":1863,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},286,"194488","Eso fue desarrollado aquí en Brasil.",1318.9,1321.32,{"idx":1865,"utterance_id":1866,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1867,"start_s":1868,"end_s":1869,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},287,"194489","Hubo participación de empresas extranjeras, pero capital brasileño, que quede bien claro, que siempre fue mayoritario.",1321.9,1330.72,{"idx":1871,"utterance_id":1872,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1873,"start_s":1874,"end_s":1875,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},288,"194490","También desarrollaron el método de industrializar ese niobio.",1331.6,1338.3,{"idx":1877,"utterance_id":1878,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1879,"start_s":1880,"end_s":1881,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},289,"194491","Extrajeron el niobio y ahora?",1339.4,1341.58,{"idx":1883,"utterance_id":1884,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1885,"start_s":1886,"end_s":1887,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},290,"194492","¿Puede convertirse en metal?",1342.04,1343.02,{"idx":1889,"utterance_id":1890,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1891,"start_s":1892,"end_s":1893,"word_count":26,"indexable":74},291,"194493","¿puede convertirse en un químico para la industria farmacéutica, en un componente para la industria óptica, en qué más?",1343.7,1353.48,{"idx":1895,"utterance_id":1896,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1897,"start_s":1898,"end_s":1899,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},292,"194494","Y, además, desarrollaron aplicaciones.",1353.5,1359.52,{"idx":612,"utterance_id":1901,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1902,"start_s":1903,"end_s":1904,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},"194495","Nací en esa ciudad, así que puedo decir que lo he seguido.",1360.6,1364.02,{"idx":1906,"utterance_id":1907,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1908,"start_s":1909,"end_s":1910,"word_count":301,"indexable":74},294,"194496","Durante toda mi vida, vi realizarse allí... congresos de metalurgia, que es la principal aplicación del hierro-niobio o del niobio, con la participación de ingenieros metalúrgicos de Europa, de Asia, de América del Norte, de todo el mundo.",1364.6,1386.28,{"idx":1912,"utterance_id":1913,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1914,"start_s":1915,"end_s":1916,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},295,"194497","Se quedaban allí una semana mostrando sus estudios, conociendo el proceso de producción de la empresa.",1386.96,1394.8,{"idx":1918,"utterance_id":1919,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1920,"start_s":1921,"end_s":1922,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},296,"194498","Y hoy, esa empresa que está allí, es una empresa brasileña, tiene capital extranjero, pero más del 70% de ella es brasileña.",1395.54,1406.54,{"idx":1924,"utterance_id":1925,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1926,"start_s":1927,"end_s":1928,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},297,"194499","Y ella posee toda esa tecnología que está registrada a su nombre.",1407.42,1413.66,{"idx":1930,"utterance_id":1931,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1932,"start_s":1933,"end_s":1934,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},298,"194500","Es una tecnología de Brasil.",1414.34,1417.02,{"idx":1936,"utterance_id":1937,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1938,"start_s":1939,"end_s":1940,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},299,"194501","Y es una empresa extremadamente rentable.",1417.74,1421.44,{"idx":1942,"utterance_id":1943,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1944,"start_s":1945,"end_s":1946,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},300,"194502","Es una de las empresas quizás más valiosas de Brasil.",1422.04,1425.12,{"idx":1948,"utterance_id":1949,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1950,"start_s":1951,"end_s":1952,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},301,"194503","Pero como opera en un nicho que nadie conoce, porque no es un consumo directo, nadie nunca ha comprado niobio puro.",1425.6,1432.88,{"idx":1954,"utterance_id":1955,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1956,"start_s":1957,"end_s":1958,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},302,"194504","Pero puede que haya niobio en nuestro celular, en el avión en el que volamos, en todas partes hay niobio.",1433.54,1438.92,{"idx":1960,"utterance_id":1961,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1962,"start_s":1963,"end_s":1964,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},303,"194505","Pero fue la industria aeronáutica la que lo incorporó, o fue la industria electrónica la que lo incorporó.",1439.26,1444.86,{"idx":1966,"utterance_id":1967,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1968,"start_s":1969,"end_s":1970,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},304,"194506","Así que esa empresa marca toda la diferencia.",1445.38,1449.64,{"idx":1972,"utterance_id":1973,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1974,"start_s":1975,"end_s":1976,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},305,"194507","en la ciudad de Araxá, en Minas Gerais y en Brasil.",1450.14,1453.96,{"idx":1978,"utterance_id":1979,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1980,"start_s":1981,"end_s":1982,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},306,"194508","En Minas, siempre está entre las mayores exportadoras del Estado.",1454.46,1460.96,{"idx":1984,"utterance_id":1985,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1986,"start_s":1987,"end_s":1988,"word_count":284,"topic_slug":1715,"topic_label":1716,"target_id":1825,"target_proposition":1826,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":1989,"indexable":702},307,"194509","Entonces, digo que dominar la tecnología es fundamental, porque Brasil no puede seguir cometiendo los mismos errores del pasado, como todavía ocurre con la minería, lo cual me entristece ver, con el mineral de hierro.",1461.94,1478.66,"declara que dominar la tecnología es fundamental y critica exportar mineral en bruto.",{"idx":34,"utterance_id":1991,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1992,"start_s":1993,"end_s":1994,"word_count":161,"topic_slug":1715,"topic_label":1716,"target_id":1825,"target_proposition":1826,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":1995,"indexable":702},"194510","El mineral de hierro en Minas es sometido a un beneficiamiento y se exporta con poco valor.",1479.28,1486.04,"relata que el mineral de hierro se procesa poco y se exporta con bajo valor.",{"idx":1997,"utterance_id":1998,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1999,"start_s":2000,"end_s":2001,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},309,"194511","Y Brasil después importa acero, principalmente de China, a donde vendió el mineral de hierro.",1486.58,1496.28,{"idx":2003,"utterance_id":2004,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2005,"start_s":2006,"end_s":2007,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":1715,"topic_label":1716,"target_id":1825,"target_proposition":1826,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":2008,"indexable":702},310,"194512","Entonces, eso para mí no es el camino.",1496.52,1499.52,"afirma que exportar mineral en bruto 'não é o caminho'.",{"idx":2010,"utterance_id":2011,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2012,"start_s":2013,"end_s":2014,"word_count":149,"topic_slug":2015,"topic_label":2016,"target_id":2017,"target_proposition":2018,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":2019,"indexable":702},311,"194513","El camino es que demos toda la seguridad jurídica a quien esté extrayendo.",1500.04,1508.08,"seguranca-juridica","Seguridad jurídica","f0810a6d-3b8f-4a55-a469-7b75f09d14f3","garantizar seguridad jurídica para la extracción y beneficiamiento de minerales en Brasil","defiende brindar seguridad jurídica a quienes extraen e industrializan.",{"idx":2021,"utterance_id":2022,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2023,"start_s":2024,"end_s":2025,"word_count":184,"topic_slug":2026,"topic_label":2027,"target_id":2028,"target_proposition":2029,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":2030,"indexable":702},312,"194514","a quien esté beneficiando, industrializando las tierras raras aquí en Brasil, involucrar a las universidades federales para que ayuden en las investigaciones.",1508.5,1521.12,"tecnologia-e-inteligencia-artificial","Tecnología e inteligencia artificial","fe11811c-7848-4a6d-9d88-e74ed2947a25","articular universidades federales para investigación aplicada en minerales estratégicos","propone involucrar a las universidades federales en las investigaciones sobre las tierras raras.",{"idx":2032,"utterance_id":2033,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2034,"start_s":2035,"end_s":2036,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":2026,"topic_label":2027,"target_id":2028,"target_proposition":2029,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":2037,"indexable":74},313,"194515","Esto se hizo en el caso del niobio, también participaron universidades federales.",1521.32,1527.32,"informa que universidades federales participaron en el caso del niobio.",{"idx":2039,"utterance_id":2040,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2041,"start_s":2042,"end_s":2043,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},314,"194516","Y además, aquí tenemos financiación.",1528,1530.9,{"idx":2045,"utterance_id":2046,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2047,"start_s":2048,"end_s":2049,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},315,"194517","Muchas empresas que quieren crear empleos en Brasil, que van a pagar impuestos, necesitan financiación.",1531.9,1539.56,{"idx":2051,"utterance_id":2052,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2053,"start_s":2054,"end_s":2055,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":2056,"topic_label":2057,"target_id":2058,"target_proposition":2059,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":2060,"indexable":702},316,"194518","Si es un proyecto serio que se sostiene, el gobierno tiene que entrar como agente financiador.",1540.18,1547.52,"politica-comercial","Política comercial","fe53a17f-270c-4046-8932-34539509b54c","ofrecer financiación pública para proyectos industriales estratégicos","declara que 'o governo tem de entrar como agente financiador'.",{"idx":22,"utterance_id":2062,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2063,"start_s":2064,"end_s":2065,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},"194519","Es lógico que tomando todas las garantías, etc.",1547.56,1550.48,{"idx":2067,"utterance_id":2068,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2069,"start_s":2070,"end_s":2071,"word_count":307,"topic_slug":2056,"topic_label":2057,"target_id":2072,"target_proposition":2073,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":718,"rationale":2074,"indexable":702},318,"194520","Entonces digo que el camino que seguirán las tierras raras, que es el mismo que el litio también ha seguido en Minas Gerais, para quien no lo sepa, durante mi gestión como gobernador, creamos el Vale do Lítio.",1550.56,1565.86,"746239e3-94c8-45aa-994d-7abd91b5f6a6","promover el desarrollo de una cadena de valor nacional para energía y minería","reivindica la creación del Vale do Lítio durante su gestión.",{"idx":2076,"utterance_id":2077,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2078,"start_s":2079,"end_s":2080,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},319,"194521","En el norte de Minas, Vilela, teníamos una de las regiones menos desarrolladas del estado, que es el Vale do Jequitinhonha, que incluso era conocida como la región de las viudas de maridos vivos.",1566.86,1582.34,{"idx":2082,"utterance_id":2083,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2084,"start_s":2085,"end_s":2086,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},320,"194522","Porque la mayoría de los hombres se iban a otros estados, principalmente a São Paulo, al sur de Minas, para trabajar y mandaban un dinerito a las esposas que se quedaban allí cuidando de los hijos.",1583.1,1595.98,{"idx":2088,"utterance_id":2089,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2090,"start_s":2091,"end_s":2092,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},321,"194523","Una realidad muy triste.",1596.56,1598.54,{"idx":2094,"utterance_id":2095,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2096,"start_s":2097,"end_s":2098,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":2099,"topic_label":2100,"target_id":2101,"target_proposition":2102,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":2103,"indexable":702},322,"194524","Durante mi gestión, llevamos diversas empresas de litio a esa región, al Vale do Jequitinhonha, que crearon miles de empleos directos e indirectos.",1599.5,1612.82,"desenvolvimento-regional","Desarrollo regional","f0a41618-cc9c-4b7d-a846-e9222ace466e","construir un parque industrial de beneficiamiento de minerales en el Vale do Jequitinhonha","afirma haber atraído empresas de litio y creado empleos locales.",{"idx":2105,"utterance_id":2106,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2107,"start_s":2108,"end_s":2109,"word_count":161,"topic_slug":2099,"topic_label":2100,"target_id":2101,"target_proposition":2102,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":2110,"indexable":702},323,"194525","Y esa región, que era la menos desarrollada de Minas, fue la que más creció.",1613.44,1619.62,"atribuye el crecimiento regional a las políticas adoptadas en su gestión.",{"idx":2112,"utterance_id":2113,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2114,"start_s":2115,"end_s":2116,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":2099,"topic_label":2100,"target_id":2101,"target_proposition":2102,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":2117,"indexable":702},324,"194526","en creación de empleos, en generación de empleos, proporcionalmente a la población en los últimos cinco, seis años.",1620.38,1629.28,"menciona la generación de empleos como resultado de su gestión.",{"idx":2119,"utterance_id":2120,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2121,"start_s":2122,"end_s":2123,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},325,"194527","Exactamente por ese motivo.",1629.7,1631.7,{"idx":2125,"utterance_id":2126,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2127,"start_s":2128,"end_s":2129,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},326,"194528","Quien tenía allí un restaurante pequeño, hoy tiene varios restaurantes grandes.",1632.36,1637.62,{"idx":2131,"utterance_id":2132,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2133,"start_s":2134,"end_s":2135,"word_count":101,"indexable":74},327,"194529","Conocí allí a un emprendedor que tenía... 30 autos para alquilar, hoy tiene 400 autos para alquilar a esas empresas que se instalaron allí.",1638.1,1648.64,{"idx":2137,"utterance_id":2138,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2139,"start_s":2140,"end_s":2141,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},328,"194530","Los hoteles se multiplicaron, porque ahora la demanda es grande.",1649.08,1653.28,{"idx":2143,"utterance_id":2144,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2145,"start_s":2146,"end_s":2147,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},329,"194531","Siempre hay personas dando mantenimiento, construyendo, etc.",1653.4,1657.68,{"idx":2149,"utterance_id":2150,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2151,"start_s":2152,"end_s":2153,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},330,"194532","Entonces, eso es lo que quiero.",1658.54,1660.18,{"idx":2155,"utterance_id":2156,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2157,"start_s":2158,"end_s":2159,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":2056,"topic_label":2057,"target_id":2072,"target_proposition":2073,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":2160,"indexable":702},331,"194533","Y agregar valor a las empresas que están allí en el Vale do Lítio, en el Vale do Jequitinhonha.",1660.28,1665.8,"declara su compromiso de agregar valor a las empresas locales.",{"idx":2162,"utterance_id":2163,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2164,"start_s":2165,"end_s":2166,"word_count":54,"topic_slug":2056,"topic_label":2057,"target_id":2072,"target_proposition":2073,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":2167,"indexable":702},332,"194534","tener el compromiso de, con el tiempo, ir agregando valor hasta que lleguemos a una batería, que es el producto de mayor valor agregado, en el caso del litio.",1666.28,1679.38,"se compromete a agregar valor hasta producir baterías de mayor valor.",{"idx":2169,"utterance_id":2170,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2171,"start_s":2172,"end_s":2173,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},333,"194535","Y en el caso de las tierras raras, la cuestión de los imanes, para los cuales son necesarios.",1679.82,1686.82,{"idx":2175,"utterance_id":2176,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2177,"start_s":2178,"end_s":2179,"word_count":190,"topic_slug":2180,"topic_label":2181,"target_id":2182,"target_proposition":2183,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":2184,"indexable":702},334,"194536","Y recordando que todo el cuidado con el medio ambiente ha sido tomado, las empresas... están sometidas al mismo escrutinio.",1687.4,1698.06,"politica-ambiental","Política ambiental","6cce70bf-b609-43af-81b5-ae7ca107d572","fortalecer la fiscalización y la responsabilización por delitos ambientales","afirma que las empresas están sometidas a escrutinio ambiental.",{"idx":2186,"utterance_id":2187,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2188,"start_s":2189,"end_s":2190,"word_count":244,"topic_slug":2180,"topic_label":2181,"target_id":2182,"target_proposition":2183,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":718,"rationale":2191,"indexable":702},335,"194537","Recordando que fui el gobernador, Vilela, que enfrenté el último gran desastre ambiental de Minas, que fue la tragedia de Brumadinho, que ocurrió en mi primer mes de gobierno.",1698.58,1711.34,"reivindica haber enfrentado Brumadinho como gobernador.",{"idx":2193,"utterance_id":2194,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2195,"start_s":2196,"end_s":2197,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":2180,"topic_label":2181,"target_id":2182,"target_proposition":2183,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":2198,"indexable":702},336,"194538","Y yo dije: Minas Gerais nunca más va a enfrentar eso.",1711.72,1714.78,"promete que Minas 'nunca mais' enfrentará tragedias como Brumadinho.",{"idx":2200,"utterance_id":2201,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2202,"start_s":2203,"end_s":2204,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":2180,"topic_label":2181,"target_id":2182,"target_proposition":2183,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":2205,"rationale":2206,"indexable":74},337,"194539","Y desde entonces, el Estado sólo se ha vuelto más seguro.",1715.18,1719.22,0.72,"afirma que el Estado se volvió más seguro tras las medidas adoptadas.",{"idx":2208,"utterance_id":2209,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2210,"start_s":2211,"end_s":2212,"word_count":101,"topic_slug":1715,"topic_label":1716,"target_id":2213,"target_proposition":2214,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":2215,"indexable":702},338,"194540","Y con esas empresas, que inclusive han adoptado... la tecnología de minería por filtración, que ya no usa embalses, represas, el riesgo es infinitamente menor.",1719.64,1732.86,"368cd174-3c58-4ff4-953d-72a4ea8acdaa","promover tecnologías de minería sin presas (filtrado) para reducir riesgos","cita tecnología de filtración que elimina reservorios y reduce el riesgo.",{"idx":2217,"utterance_id":2218,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2219,"start_s":2220,"end_s":2221,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":2180,"topic_label":2181,"target_id":2182,"target_proposition":2183,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":2222,"indexable":702},339,"194541","Así que se está ejerciendo cuidado con el medio ambiente.",1734,1737.12,"defiende que el cuidado ambiental se ejerza en las operaciones mineras.",{"idx":2224,"utterance_id":2225,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2226,"start_s":2227,"end_s":2228,"word_count":244,"topic_slug":2180,"topic_label":2181,"target_id":2229,"target_proposition":2230,"stance":2231,"stance_confidence":2232,"rationale":2233,"indexable":74},340,"194542","Y tenemos que recordar que Brasil, debido a los eco-chiítas, ya tomó muchas decisiones equivocadas que perjudicaron... el desarrollo económico y también el medio ambiente, por increíble que parezca.",1737.66,1754.12,"cffe68dc-7f8f-4f82-bacd-b50064eb1a02","ajustar políticas de preservación ambiental para priorizar el bienestar local","ambiguo",0.55,"critica a los 'eco-chiítas' y decisiones pasadas, sin proponer una política concreta.",{"idx":2235,"utterance_id":2236,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2237,"start_s":2228,"end_s":2238,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},341,"194543","Hace 20, 30 años, grandes hidroeléctricas se construyeron en la región norte.",1761.72,{"idx":2240,"utterance_id":2241,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2242,"start_s":2243,"end_s":2244,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},342,"194544","Belo Monte, Santo Antônio, esas dos fueron construidas a fio de agua (sin embalse).",1762.3,1769.1,{"idx":2246,"utterance_id":2247,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2248,"start_s":2249,"end_s":2250,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},343,"194545","Porque no se podía formar un embalse porque iba a inundar la selva.",1769.52,1775.16,{"idx":2252,"utterance_id":2253,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2254,"start_s":2255,"end_s":2256,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},344,"194546","Pero el plan para las tierras raras, ¿eh?",1775.18,1776.72,{"idx":2258,"utterance_id":2259,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2260,"start_s":2261,"end_s":2262,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},345,"194547","¿Qué vamos a hacer?",1776.96,1777.78,{"idx":2264,"utterance_id":2265,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2266,"start_s":2267,"end_s":2268,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},346,"194548","Pero quiero hacer solo una equivalencia.",1777.82,1779.84,{"idx":2270,"utterance_id":2271,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2272,"start_s":2273,"end_s":2274,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},347,"194549","Fue construida a fio de agua y hoy, Vilela, se están construyendo centrales termoeléctricas en Brasil para suplir.",1780.38,1788.48,{"idx":2276,"utterance_id":2277,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2278,"start_s":2279,"end_s":2280,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},348,"194550","Qué absurdo.",1788.5,1788.78,{"idx":2282,"utterance_id":2283,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2284,"start_s":2285,"end_s":2286,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},349,"194551","¿Entendió?",1789.38,1789.88,{"idx":2288,"utterance_id":2289,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2290,"start_s":2291,"end_s":2292,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":2293,"topic_label":2294,"target_id":2295,"target_proposition":2296,"stance":2231,"stance_confidence":2297,"rationale":2298,"indexable":74},350,"194552","No dejaron construir un lago, hoy estamos quemando combustible fósil.",1790.2,1795.64,"politica-industrial-e-energia","Política industrial y energética","70002d59-9ece-4190-8cc8-e96794a10e60","aprovechar la transición energética y desarrollar la minería de tierras raras",0.45,"critica restricciones pasadas y menciona térmicas, sin una propuesta clara.",{"idx":2300,"utterance_id":2301,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2302,"start_s":2303,"end_s":2304,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":2305,"topic_label":2306,"target_id":2307,"target_proposition":2308,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":2309,"indexable":702},351,"194553","Entonces tenemos que recordar que el litio... que los electroimanes son fundamentales en esta transición energética que el globo está viviendo, que la humanidad está viviendo.",1796.12,1808.04,"meio-ambiente-e-energia-renovavel","Medio ambiente y energía renovable","e5e3fa08-2217-43bf-8eaa-87ad7f90f830","participar activamente en la transición energética desarrollando la cadena para litio y tierras raras","afirma que el litio y los electroimanes son fundamentales en la transición energética.",{"idx":2311,"utterance_id":2312,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2313,"start_s":2314,"end_s":2315,"word_count":331,"indexable":74},352,"194554","Entonces, si Minas Gerais tiene hoy una mina, esa mina va a contribuir a que no se emita tanto combustible fósil en el futuro, que son motores eléctricos, motores para la energía eólica, son... equipos que se usarán en las células fotovoltaicas y así sucesivamente.",1808.6,1830.38,{"idx":2317,"utterance_id":2318,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2319,"start_s":2320,"end_s":2321,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},353,"194555","Entonces tenemos que recordar.",1830.8,1832,{"idx":2323,"utterance_id":2324,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2325,"start_s":2326,"end_s":2327,"word_count":141,"topic_slug":2305,"topic_label":2306,"target_id":2307,"target_proposition":2308,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":808,"rationale":2328,"indexable":702},354,"194556","Lo que se está extrayendo hoy, hay gente que dice, está haciendo un hueco aquí, pero es para evitar la quema de combustible fósil.",1832.66,1840.48,"defiende la extracción como forma de evitar la quema de combustibles fósiles.",{"idx":2330,"utterance_id":2331,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2332,"start_s":2333,"end_s":2334,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},355,"194557","Entonces, en este momento de transición energética, la demanda por cobre, por diversos minerales, aumenta mucho.",1840.88,1848.46,{"idx":2336,"utterance_id":2337,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2338,"start_s":2339,"end_s":2340,"word_count":190,"topic_slug":2056,"topic_label":2057,"target_id":2341,"target_proposition":2342,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":2343,"indexable":702},356,"194558","Y Brasil necesita participar y llamar a sus socios comerciales e incluso negociar bien y decir: yo te vendo.",1848.84,1857.7,"2afb123c-4226-44da-a932-50a829b9dae0","abrir mercados y negociar acuerdos comerciales","propone vender industrializados en 'combo' con contrapartidas comerciales.",{"idx":2345,"utterance_id":2346,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2347,"start_s":2348,"end_s":2349,"word_count":272,"topic_slug":2056,"topic_label":2057,"target_id":2341,"target_proposition":2342,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":2350,"indexable":702},357,"194559","pero quiero venderte el producto industrializado, pero quiero que para que compres esto aquí, compres carne mía, compres granos míos, poner eso en la balanza para poder ganar mejor.",1858.02,1872.26,"sugiere condicionar la compra de industrializados a contrapartidas (carne, granos).",{"idx":2352,"utterance_id":2353,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2354,"start_s":2355,"end_s":2356,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},358,"194560","Es la hora que tenemos.",1872.66,1873.96,{"idx":2358,"utterance_id":2359,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2360,"start_s":2361,"end_s":2362,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":2056,"topic_label":2057,"target_id":2341,"target_proposition":2342,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":718,"rationale":2363,"indexable":702},359,"194561","Si usted tiene un producto excepcional, puede estar... haciendo ahí un combo para que su cliente se lleve el combo, sin afectar intereses comerciales, una relación gana-gana.",1874.52,1887.58,"recomienda ofrecer 'combo' comercial para beneficio mutuo.",{"idx":2365,"utterance_id":2366,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2367,"start_s":2368,"end_s":2369,"word_count":184,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":2370,"target_proposition":2371,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":718,"rationale":2372,"indexable":702},360,"194562","Pero Brasil necesita aprovechar esto de la misma manera que varios países árabes, Vilela, aprovecharon el boom del petróleo.",1887.86,1896.66,"aace5e24-bafb-414d-8a6a-de7e2ad9ab81","desarrollar ciencia, tecnología e industrializar el país","defiende aprovechar el auge de minerales como lo hacen los países petroleros.",{"idx":2374,"utterance_id":2375,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2376,"start_s":2377,"end_s":2378,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},361,"194563","Quien ya fue a los Emiratos,",1897.16,1899.72,{"idx":2380,"utterance_id":2381,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2382,"start_s":2383,"end_s":2384,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},362,"194564","etc.,",1900.14,1900.32,{"idx":2386,"utterance_id":2387,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2388,"start_s":2389,"end_s":2390,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},363,"194565","sabe lo que hicieron.",1900.8,1901.98,{"idx":2392,"utterance_id":2393,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2394,"start_s":2395,"end_s":2396,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":2397,"target_proposition":2398,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":2399,"rationale":2400,"indexable":74},364,"194566","Hay otros, como Venezuela, que retrocedieron.",1902.18,1906.22,"307e92d1-d3ef-41b7-8a52-10e94d367601","implementar políticas económicas de mercado en la gestión de recursos naturales",0.65,"critica a Venezuela y al socialismo, sugiriendo políticas de mercado.",{"idx":2402,"utterance_id":2403,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2404,"start_s":2405,"end_s":2406,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},365,"194567","Hoy, Venezuela es un país arruinado y está sentado sobre una de las mayores reservas de petróleo del mundo.",1907.6,1914.36,{"idx":2408,"utterance_id":2409,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2410,"start_s":2411,"end_s":2412,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},366,"194568","Donde llegan las ideas socialistas, sucede eso.",1914.76,1918.62,{"idx":2414,"utterance_id":2415,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2416,"start_s":2417,"end_s":2418,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},367,"194569","Vamos a la seguridad pública, ¿no es así, mi querido Romer?",1919.36,1922.42,{"idx":2420,"utterance_id":2421,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2422,"start_s":2423,"end_s":2424,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},368,"194570","Vamos.",1923.62,1923.9,{"idx":2426,"utterance_id":2427,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2428,"start_s":2429,"end_s":2430,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},369,"194571","Vamos con Pimentel.",1929.7,1930.84,{"idx":2432,"utterance_id":2433,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2434,"start_s":2435,"end_s":2436,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},370,"194572","Pase el video, por favor, director.",1931.36,1932.7,{"idx":2438,"utterance_id":2439,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2440,"start_s":2441,"end_s":2442,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},371,"194573","Vilela, muchas gracias por la oportunidad de estar aquí contigo en este evento especial.",1933.26,1938.78,{"idx":2444,"utterance_id":2445,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2446,"start_s":2447,"end_s":2448,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},372,"194574","Y es un honor hacer preguntas a los candidatos a la presidencia.",1939.56,1942.3,{"idx":2450,"utterance_id":2451,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2452,"start_s":2453,"end_s":2454,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},373,"194575","Lógicamente, preguntas sobre seguridad pública.",1942.34,1945,{"idx":2456,"utterance_id":2457,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2458,"start_s":2459,"end_s":2460,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},374,"194576","Me gustaría preguntar al candidato Zema sobre algo que no impacta mucho la vida del brasileño.",1945.7,1952.38,{"idx":2462,"utterance_id":2463,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2464,"start_s":2465,"end_s":2466,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},375,"194577","El brasileño verdaderamente está más preocupado por el robo de celulares.",1953.24,1956.42,{"idx":2468,"utterance_id":2469,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2470,"start_s":2471,"end_s":2472,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},376,"194578","Pero algo que no impacta la vida del ciudadano, sí impacta mucho la imagen de Brasil en el exterior.",1957.14,1962.42,{"idx":2474,"utterance_id":2475,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2476,"start_s":2477,"end_s":2478,"word_count":149,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2479,"target_proposition":2480,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":2481,"indexable":702},377,"194579","Brasil hoy, candidato Zema, es la mayor rampa de cocaína del mundo.",1963.22,1967.72,"d0ea1eb9-9530-48d7-90b3-ef18ddea699c","conducir acciones federales contra el tráfico de drogas y el comercio de armas","afirma que Brasil es la mayor rampa de cocaína sin propuesta inmediata.",{"idx":2483,"utterance_id":2484,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2485,"start_s":2486,"end_s":2487,"word_count":250,"indexable":74},378,"194580","Toda la cocaína producida en Sudamérica atraviesa la Rota dos Solimões y busca los puertos brasileños para llegar a Italia, a España, a Portugal, a Inglaterra, también a Francia.",1968.96,1981.82,{"idx":2489,"utterance_id":2490,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2491,"start_s":2492,"end_s":2493,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2494,"target_proposition":2495,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":2496,"indexable":702},379,"194581","¿Existe alguna idea suya, en su plan implacable, de utilizar las Fuerzas Armadas, Ejército, Marina, Fuerza Aérea, en la actuación para combatir el narcotráfico en la Rota dos Solimões?",1982.56,1995.02,"c6015ac5-4113-400c-9721-98e3c8797fbd","movilizar todas las instituciones federales en la lucha contra el crimen organizado","pregunta sobre el uso de las Fuerzas Armadas en el combate a la Rota dos Solimões.",{"idx":2498,"utterance_id":2499,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2500,"start_s":2501,"end_s":2502,"word_count":244,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2494,"target_proposition":2495,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":2503,"indexable":702},380,"194582","Porque verdaderamente... La Policía Federal y la Policía Militar de Amazonas y la del Pará no poseen recursos, ni capacidad logística para actuar en esa dimensión territorial que es la región amazónica.",1995.14,2008.24,"alega que las policías regionales no tienen logística, justificando el uso de las Fuerzas Armadas.",{"idx":2505,"utterance_id":2506,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2507,"start_s":2508,"end_s":2509,"word_count":201,"indexable":74},381,"194583","Entonces le pregunto sobre acciones de combate efectivo a la Rota dos Solimões, la mayor rampa de cocaína del mundo.",2008.42,2015.92,{"idx":2511,"utterance_id":2512,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2513,"start_s":2514,"end_s":2515,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},382,"194584","Grande Pimentel, tenemos un plan.",2018.82,2024.14,{"idx":2517,"utterance_id":2518,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2519,"start_s":2520,"end_s":2521,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},383,"194585","sí, Vilela.",2024.26,2024.98,{"idx":2523,"utterance_id":2524,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2525,"start_s":2526,"end_s":2527,"word_count":409,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":2528,"target_proposition":2529,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":2530,"indexable":702},384,"194586","Mi plan, que es ese plan implacable que él mencionó, es que apenas asuma la presidencia, junto con los países vecinos involucrados, ahí me refiero a Bolivia, Colombia, Perú, esos tres países son los productores, el camino de la droga, nosotros, junto con los Estados Unidos, vamos a monitorear esa región como nunca antes.",2025.54,2057.48,"94d53a3f-4f32-473a-8858-4d8244073730","combatir el crimen organizado en cooperación internacional","propone monitorear junto a Bolivia, Colombia, Perú y Estados Unidos.",{"idx":2532,"utterance_id":2533,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2534,"start_s":2535,"end_s":2536,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2494,"target_proposition":2495,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":2537,"indexable":702},385,"194587","Y voy a desplegar a las fuerzas armadas para ayudar en esa cuestión.",2058.78,2064.58,"declara que va a 'colocar as forças armadas' para ayudar en el combate.",{"idx":2539,"utterance_id":2540,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2541,"start_s":2542,"end_s":2543,"word_count":161,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2494,"target_proposition":2495,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":2544,"indexable":702},386,"194588","Tenemos marina, tenemos aeronáutica, tenemos ejército que pueden contribuir con la Policía Federal.",2065.02,2072.62,"indica que Marina, Aeronáutica y Ejército pueden contribuir con la PF.",{"idx":2546,"utterance_id":2547,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2548,"start_s":2549,"end_s":2550,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},387,"194589","Y quiero decretar, digo que Brasil hoy es un país que ya no es soberano.",2073.5,2080.76,{"idx":2552,"utterance_id":2553,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2554,"start_s":2555,"end_s":2556,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},388,"194590","Mucha gente habla de soberanía, soberanía.",2081.38,2083.94,{"idx":2558,"utterance_id":2559,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2560,"start_s":2561,"end_s":2562,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2563,"target_proposition":2564,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":2565,"indexable":702},389,"194591","Brasil hoy está controlado por el crimen organizado.",2084.38,2087.3,"68870c5c-74fa-43f1-8d60-79651a044907","reocupar territorios dominados por facciones criminales","afirma que Brasil está controlado por el crimen organizado.",{"idx":2567,"utterance_id":2568,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2569,"start_s":2570,"end_s":2571,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2563,"target_proposition":2564,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":2572,"indexable":702},390,"194592","Diversas estadísticas y estudios señalan que 60 millones de brasileños viven en áreas que ya no son controladas por el Estado brasileño, sino por el crimen organizado.",2088,2103.1,"cita estudio que indica 60 millones en áreas no controladas por el Estado.",{"idx":2574,"utterance_id":2575,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2576,"start_s":2577,"end_s":2578,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},391,"194593","Y es la dictadura de la extorsión.",2103.36,2104.9,{"idx":2580,"utterance_id":2581,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2582,"start_s":2583,"end_s":2584,"word_count":26,"indexable":74},392,"194594","Esos 60 millones de brasileños son víctimas de extorsión, pagan más por el agua, por la energía, por Internet, si alguien ahí tiene un comercio.",2105.82,2116.5,{"idx":2586,"utterance_id":2587,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2588,"start_s":2589,"end_s":2590,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},393,"194595","También tienen que pagar una mesada.",2116.9,2119.16,{"idx":2592,"utterance_id":2593,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2594,"start_s":2595,"end_s":2596,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},394,"194596","Y esa gente es la que lo controla todo.",2119.7,2122.1,{"idx":2598,"utterance_id":2599,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2600,"start_s":2601,"end_s":2602,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},395,"194597","Recaudan miles de millones y, además de controlar territorio, se dedican al tráfico de drogas.",2122.46,2130.36,{"idx":2604,"utterance_id":2605,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2606,"start_s":2607,"end_s":2608,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},396,"194598","Ambas actividades extremadamente 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quiebra.",2154.1,2154.72,{"idx":2669,"utterance_id":2670,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2671,"start_s":2672,"end_s":2673,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},407,"194609","Está en una situación de insolvencia.",2154.86,2156.26,{"idx":2675,"utterance_id":2676,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2677,"start_s":2678,"end_s":2679,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},408,"194610","¿Y sabe por qué?",2156.52,2157.58,{"idx":2681,"utterance_id":2682,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2683,"start_s":2684,"end_s":2685,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},409,"194611","Me encontré el otro día con un ejecutivo.",2157.78,2159.78,{"idx":2687,"utterance_id":2688,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2689,"start_s":2690,"end_s":2691,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},410,"194612","Es noticia pública.",2159.86,2163.22,{"idx":2693,"utterance_id":2694,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2695,"start_s":2691,"end_s":2696,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},411,"194613","52%—más de la mitad de lo que suministra de energía, Vilela,",2167.86,{"idx":2698,"utterance_id":2699,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2700,"start_s":2701,"end_s":2702,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},412,"194614","es robado.",2167.94,2168.34,{"idx":2704,"utterance_id":2705,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2706,"start_s":2707,"end_s":2708,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},413,"194615","No lo recibe.",2168.9,2169.82,{"idx":2710,"utterance_id":2711,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2712,"start_s":2713,"end_s":2714,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},414,"194616","Alguien lo está recibiendo.",2170.3,2171.56,{"idx":2716,"utterance_id":2717,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2718,"start_s":2719,"end_s":2720,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},415,"194617","Y es el crimen organizado quien lo recibe.",2171.68,2174.1,{"idx":2722,"utterance_id":2723,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2724,"start_s":2725,"end_s":2726,"word_count":155,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2494,"target_proposition":2495,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":2727,"indexable":702},416,"194618","Entonces voy a poner todo el aparato del Estado para combatir el crimen organizado.",2174.9,2182.88,"anuncia que pondrá 'todo o aparato do Estado' contra el crimen organizado.",{"idx":2729,"utterance_id":2730,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2731,"start_s":2732,"end_s":2733,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},417,"194619","Y ahí arriba las cabezas son las mismas.",2182.92,2184.86,{"idx":2735,"utterance_id":2736,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2737,"start_s":2738,"end_s":2739,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},418,"194620","Quien controla el territorio es quien alquila avión, barco, lanchas para llevar la droga.",2184.98,2191.96,{"idx":2741,"utterance_id":2742,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2743,"start_s":2744,"end_s":2745,"word_count":355,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2746,"target_proposition":2747,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":2748,"indexable":702},419,"194621","Y en el momento que empiezas a cortar las cabezas... a poner a esa gente tras las rejas, comienzas a desestructurar esas organizaciones y también a hacer el combate de inteligencia, que es a través de la Receita Federal, del COAF, de la ABIN, y decretar estas instituciones, facciones, organizaciones criminales como terroristas.",2192.52,2218.04,"6bedbc9a-93d7-4bb4-8d40-3a2cafade9a8","desmontar liderazgos del crimen organizado y sus estructuras financieras","propone detener a los cabecillas, usar inteligencia y declarar a las facciones como terroristas.",{"idx":2750,"utterance_id":2751,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2752,"start_s":2753,"end_s":2754,"word_count":212,"indexable":74},420,"194622","El año pasado tuve la oportunidad de ir y ver... personalmente el trabajo que se hizo en El Salvador, que fue en esa línea.",2218.82,2229.1,{"idx":2756,"utterance_id":2757,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2758,"start_s":2759,"end_s":2760,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2746,"target_proposition":2747,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":2761,"indexable":702},421,"194623","Si es una facción, si es una organización criminal, es terrorista.",2229.96,2234.6,"afirma que las facciones y organizaciones criminales deben ser tratadas como terroristas.",{"idx":2763,"utterance_id":2764,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2765,"start_s":2766,"end_s":2767,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":25,"target_id":2768,"target_proposition":2769,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":2770,"indexable":702},422,"194624","Si es terrorista, es como mínimo 25 años de reclusión sin ningún tipo de beneficio, inclusive sin visita íntima, sin abogado en reunión privada.",2234.76,2248.06,"115c33b1-efc8-4599-bf46-f820129b5d89","imponer tratamiento diferenciado a las facciones (penas más severas, prisiones especiales, aislamiento y asfixia financiera)","propone pena mínima de 25 años sin beneficios para terroristas.",{"idx":2772,"utterance_id":2773,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2774,"start_s":2775,"end_s":2776,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},423,"194625","Todo grabado, todo acompañado.",2248.36,2250.66,{"idx":2778,"utterance_id":2779,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2780,"start_s":2781,"end_s":2782,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2746,"target_proposition":2747,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":2783,"indexable":702},424,"194626","es tratar al delincuente como delincuente y no como víctima de la sociedad, como dice nuestro presidente.",2251.08,2258.8,"contrapone el tratamiento de 'vítima' y pide castigo severo.",{"idx":2785,"utterance_id":2786,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2787,"start_s":2788,"end_s":2789,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},425,"194627","Hay solución, sí.",2259.56,2260.8,{"idx":2791,"utterance_id":2792,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2793,"start_s":2794,"end_s":2795,"word_count":155,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":2528,"target_proposition":2529,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":2796,"indexable":702},426,"194628","Y una colaboración de los Estados Unidos no significa de ninguna manera pérdida de soberanía.",2260.82,2266.58,"defiende la colaboración con EE. UU. sin que ello implique pérdida de soberanía.",{"idx":2798,"utterance_id":2799,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2800,"start_s":2801,"end_s":2802,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":2803,"topic_label":2804,"target_id":2805,"target_proposition":2806,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":2807,"indexable":702},427,"194629","Significa, sí, satélites ayudando a monitorear esa región, que sabemos es de difícil acceso, más tecnología.",2266.68,2276.26,"politica-externa-e-diplomacia","Política exterior y diplomacia","6fea0959-fe10-4d67-b8c4-2a8df685e44b","fortalecer la cooperación internacional en seguridad contra el narcotráfico","propone el uso de satélites y tecnología para monitorizar la región.",{"idx":2809,"utterance_id":2810,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2811,"start_s":2812,"end_s":2813,"word_count":331,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":2528,"target_proposition":2529,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":2814,"indexable":702},428,"194630","entrenamiento para que nuestros hombres aquí puedan operar mejor nuestros equipos u otros que puedan llegar, porque Estados Unidos y Europa, donde se concentra el consumo de los estupefacientes, de la cocaína, tienen el mayor interés en acabar con esa ruta de la droga aquí.",2276.68,2297.34,"defiende entrenamiento y tecnología de socios para nuestras fuerzas.",{"idx":2816,"utterance_id":2817,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2818,"start_s":2819,"end_s":2820,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2821,"target_proposition":2822,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":2823,"indexable":702},429,"194631","Entonces, es necesario... que adoptemos esta postura de combatir el crimen como nunca antes en Brasil.",2297.86,2307.04,"e242d5d7-724f-43b0-a600-2cd3d361bcc0","movilizar fuerzas armadas en operaciones en la Amazonía","exige una postura firme y la intensificación del combate al crimen organizado.",{"idx":2825,"utterance_id":2826,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2827,"start_s":2828,"end_s":2829,"word_count":190,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2746,"target_proposition":2747,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":2399,"rationale":2830,"indexable":74},430,"194632","Tenemos un gobierno blando, un presidente que dice, como acabo de decir, que el traficante es víctima de la sociedad.",2307.4,2314.52,"critica al gobierno por tratar a los traficantes como 'vítimas', defiende el castigo.",{"idx":2832,"utterance_id":2833,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2834,"start_s":2835,"end_s":2836,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},431,"194633","Donde alguien es víctima, lo vas a ayudar y no a castigar.",2315.48,2319.96,{"idx":2838,"utterance_id":2839,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2840,"start_s":2841,"end_s":2842,"word_count":96,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":25,"target_id":2768,"target_proposition":2769,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":2843,"indexable":74},432,"194634","Yo quiero es castigo.",2320.18,2321.44,"declara explícitamente 'eu quero é punição'.",{"idx":2845,"utterance_id":2846,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2847,"start_s":2848,"end_s":2849,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},433,"194635","Vamos entonces ahora con el próximo video, Cobori, ¿no?",2322.86,2327.62,{"idx":2851,"utterance_id":2852,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2853,"start_s":2854,"end_s":2855,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},434,"194636","Hablemos de economía, por favor.",2327.68,2329.34,{"idx":2857,"utterance_id":2858,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2422,"start_s":2859,"end_s":2860,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},435,"194637",2336.1,2336.36,{"idx":2862,"utterance_id":2863,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":635,"start_s":2864,"end_s":2865,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},436,"194638",2339.62,2340.34,{"idx":2867,"utterance_id":2868,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2869,"start_s":2870,"end_s":2871,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},437,"194639","Buenas noches, candidato Romeu Zema.",2340.38,2341.92,{"idx":2873,"utterance_id":2874,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2875,"start_s":2876,"end_s":2877,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},438,"194640","Vamos al tema de economía.",2342.34,2344.04,{"idx":2879,"utterance_id":2880,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2881,"start_s":2882,"end_s":2883,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},439,"194641","En los actuales conflictos geopolíticos mundiales por los que atravesamos y asistimos, queda clara la disputa por rutas comerciales, logísticas y de energía.",2344.7,2354.22,{"idx":2885,"utterance_id":2886,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2887,"start_s":2888,"end_s":2889,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},440,"194642","O sea, la mayor economía capitalista del mundo declaró literalmente la guerra a otras naciones para defender lo que considera estratégico.",2354.58,2363.16,{"idx":2891,"utterance_id":2892,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2893,"start_s":2894,"end_s":2895,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},441,"194643","¿Por qué, ante este escenario tan claro?",2363.66,2365.82,{"idx":2897,"utterance_id":2898,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2899,"start_s":2900,"end_s":2901,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},442,"194644","en la disputa de la economía mundial?",2366.04,2367.72,{"idx":2903,"utterance_id":2904,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2905,"start_s":2906,"end_s":2907,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":2908,"target_proposition":2909,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":2910,"indexable":702},443,"194645","Y de la soberanía de los países, ¿usted defiende esta agenda ultraliberal de privatización de empresas estatales, principalmente de la Petrobras y de los Correos?",2368.06,2377.86,"17fa5559-678a-48c9-9558-f65ad285c574","promover una agenda de privatizaciones y reformas","pregunta al candidato si defiende una agenda de privatización.",{"idx":2912,"utterance_id":2913,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2914,"start_s":2915,"end_s":2916,"word_count":301,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":2908,"target_proposition":2909,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":2917,"indexable":702},444,"194646","¿Sabía usted que el correo estatal de Estados Unidos, la USPS, acumula un déficit de más de 120.000 millones de dólares en los últimos 18 años y que solo en 2025... tuvo un déficit fiscal de 9.000 millones de dólares?",2378.58,2392.62,"presenta dato sobre el déficit de la USPS al cuestionar la privatización.",{"idx":2919,"utterance_id":2920,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2921,"start_s":2922,"end_s":2923,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},445,"194647","y que la sociedad americana, los economistas y los políticos ni siquiera consideran privatizar su empresa estatal por considerarla exactamente estratégica para defender la soberanía del país?",2392.84,2403.78,{"idx":2925,"utterance_id":2926,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2927,"start_s":2928,"end_s":2929,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},446,"194648","Y que en las guerras declaradas por Estados Unidos, él dijo literalmente que su interés final es el petróleo?",2404.14,2410.26,{"idx":2931,"utterance_id":2932,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2933,"start_s":2934,"end_s":2935,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},447,"194649","¿Por qué, ante un escenario geopolítico tan claro?",2410.72,2413.46,{"idx":2937,"utterance_id":2938,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2939,"start_s":2940,"end_s":2941,"word_count":26,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":2908,"target_proposition":2909,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":2942,"indexable":74},448,"194650","en la defensa de la soberanía y de un proyecto de país, ¿usted defiende la privatización de empresas como Petrobras y los Correos?",2413.88,2421.52,"reitera la pregunta sobre la defensa de la privatización de Petrobras y Correios.",{"idx":2944,"utterance_id":2945,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2946,"start_s":2947,"end_s":2948,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":2908,"target_proposition":2909,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":2949,"indexable":74},449,"194651","¿Qué base teórica está usted utilizando y por qué cree usted que eso es realmente relevante para desarrollar la economía del país?",2421.88,2429.56,"cuestiona la base teórica del candidato para defender privatizaciones.",{"idx":2951,"utterance_id":2952,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2953,"start_s":2954,"end_s":2955,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},450,"194652","Un fuerte abrazo y un abrazo, mi amigo Villela.",2430.66,2435.56,{"idx":2957,"utterance_id":2958,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2959,"start_s":2960,"end_s":2961,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},451,"194653","Gracias, Cobori.",2435.62,2437.62,{"idx":2963,"utterance_id":2964,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2965,"start_s":2966,"end_s":2967,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},452,"194654","Muy interesante.",2438.16,2439.3,{"idx":2969,"utterance_id":2970,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2971,"start_s":2972,"end_s":2973,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},453,"194655","Villela, lo que es más estratégico para el ser humano, creo que no podemos prescindir del aire.",2440.62,2453.1,{"idx":2975,"utterance_id":2976,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":121,"start_s":2977,"end_s":2978,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},454,"194656",2453.56,2453.68,{"idx":2980,"utterance_id":2981,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2982,"start_s":2983,"end_s":2984,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},455,"194657","En diez minutos moriremos sin aire.",2454.82,2456.66,{"idx":2986,"utterance_id":2987,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2988,"start_s":2989,"end_s":2990,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},456,"194658","Después el agua, luego la comida.",2456.68,2457.76,{"idx":2992,"utterance_id":2993,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2994,"start_s":2995,"end_s":2996,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},457,"194659","Después el agua y luego la comida.",2457.9,2459.48,{"idx":2998,"utterance_id":2999,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3000,"start_s":3001,"end_s":3002,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},458,"194660","Entonces, el aire está disponible ahí, en la naturaleza.",2460.68,2463.52,{"idx":3004,"utterance_id":3005,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3006,"start_s":3007,"end_s":3008,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},459,"194661","Por ahora gratis.",2463.94,2464.8,{"idx":3010,"utterance_id":3011,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3012,"start_s":3013,"end_s":3014,"word_count":201,"indexable":74},460,"194662","Por ahora gratis, no tenemos que preocuparnos por él; que yo sepa, ningún país del mundo todavía cobra por el aire.",2464.86,2471.26,{"idx":3016,"utterance_id":3017,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3018,"start_s":3019,"end_s":3020,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":3021,"topic_label":3022,"target_id":3023,"target_proposition":3024,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":3025,"indexable":74},461,"194663","El agua se está volviendo más escasa.",2472.72,2475.26,"recursos-hidricos-e-energia","Recursos Hídricos y Energía","22bacb7e-9544-4cf6-b359-5e75781c796b","conservar y garantizar la disponibilidad de agua potable","afirma que el agua se está volviendo más escasa (descripción del problema).",{"idx":3027,"utterance_id":3028,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3029,"start_s":3030,"end_s":3031,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},462,"194664","pero aún la tenemos en cantidad.",2475.52,2477.36,{"idx":3033,"utterance_id":3034,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3035,"start_s":3036,"end_s":3037,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},463,"194665","Brasil es un país, en este caso, muy bendecido.",2477.42,2480.7,{"idx":3039,"utterance_id":3040,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3041,"start_s":3042,"end_s":3043,"word_count":101,"topic_slug":3044,"topic_label":3045,"target_id":3046,"target_proposition":3047,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":718,"rationale":3048,"indexable":702},464,"194666","Y tenemos en Brasil el caso de mayor éxito, tal vez, en la historia de la humanidad en la producción de alimentos, especialmente en los últimos 40, 50 años.",2481.92,2494.34,"agricultura-e-agronegocio","Agricultura y agronegocio","b37e5468-3752-43af-8127-39a2b1c263a6","apoyar y acelerar el desarrollo del agronegocio","relata el éxito histórico de la producción de alimentos en Brasil (descripción).",{"idx":3050,"utterance_id":3051,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3052,"start_s":3053,"end_s":3054,"word_count":155,"topic_slug":3055,"topic_label":3056,"target_id":3057,"target_proposition":3058,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":3059,"indexable":702},465,"194667","Debemos recordar que hubo investigación con recursos del Estado, lo cual es importantísimo.",2495.8,2501.64,"pesquisa-cientifica-metodo-cientifico","Investigación científica","2e140ddb-90b3-4245-8d67-473b13a4db34","financiar la investigación con recursos públicos","defiende explícitamente la investigación con recursos del Estado como importantísima.",{"idx":3061,"utterance_id":3062,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3063,"start_s":3064,"end_s":3065,"word_count":96,"topic_slug":3055,"topic_label":3056,"target_id":3057,"target_proposition":3058,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":3066,"indexable":74},466,"194668","La investigación es importantísima.",2502.26,2504.56,"reafirma que 'a pesquisa é importantíssima' (apoyo explícito).",{"idx":3068,"utterance_id":3069,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3070,"start_s":3071,"end_s":3072,"word_count":54,"topic_slug":3073,"topic_label":3074,"target_id":3075,"target_proposition":3076,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":3077,"rationale":3078,"indexable":702},467,"194669","Tenemos universidades federales que, en mi opinión, deberían enfocarse mucho más en investigación práctica aplicada que, a veces, en otras cosas que no traen beneficio a la sociedad.",2504.7,2519.18,"politica-de-ensino-superior","Política de educación superior","ac035e61-e1ac-48f8-9907-5b827b591819","priorizar la investigación aplicada en las universidades federales",0.92,"dice que las universidades federales deberían enfocarse más en investigación práctica aplicada.",{"idx":3080,"utterance_id":3081,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3082,"start_s":3083,"end_s":3084,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},468,"194670","Y el caso del agro es clarísimo.",2519.62,2521.62,{"idx":3086,"utterance_id":3087,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3088,"start_s":3089,"end_s":3090,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},469,"194671","Y no tenemos en Brasil a Alimentobras.",2522.48,2526.02,{"idx":3092,"utterance_id":3093,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3094,"start_s":3095,"end_s":3096,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},470,"194672","Tenemos a Petrobras.",2527.06,2528.48,{"idx":3098,"utterance_id":3099,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3100,"start_s":3101,"end_s":3102,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},471,"194673","Tenemos a Eletrobras, pero Alimentobras no la tenemos.",2529.08,2532.78,{"idx":3104,"utterance_id":3105,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3106,"start_s":3107,"end_s":3108,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":3044,"topic_label":3045,"target_id":3109,"target_proposition":3110,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":3111,"indexable":74},472,"194674","El éxito de Brasil en el agro fue hecho por la iniciativa privada.",2533.5,2540.52,"cbfb2bae-1220-4454-860c-7454e46f5866","valorar la iniciativa privada en la producción agrícola","atribuye el éxito del agro a la iniciativa privada, apoyando su papel.",{"idx":3113,"utterance_id":3114,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3115,"start_s":3116,"end_s":3117,"word_count":54,"indexable":74},473,"194675","Miles, o quizás hasta millones de productores de todos los tamaños, pequeños, medianos, grandes, producen soja, producen leche, producen el queso mineiro artesanal, que adoro y también recomiendo.",2541.64,2558.44,{"idx":3119,"utterance_id":3120,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3121,"start_s":3122,"end_s":3123,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},474,"194676","Y mi visión es que las estatales... yo estuve en ambos lados del mostrador.",2559.82,2566.46,{"idx":3125,"utterance_id":3126,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3127,"start_s":3128,"end_s":3129,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},475,"194677","Estuve en el sector privado y luego pasé al otro lado.",2566.72,2570.22,{"idx":3131,"utterance_id":3132,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3133,"start_s":3134,"end_s":3135,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":3136,"topic_label":3137,"target_id":3138,"target_proposition":3139,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":3140,"indexable":74},476,"194678","Las estatales se utilizan para hacer politiquería.",2570.74,2576.28,"empresas-estatais","Empresas estatales","4919226e-2481-483c-8f6a-036b9996d9c3","evitar nombramientos políticos para la dirección de empresas estatales","afirma que las empresas estatales se utilizan para politiquería (crítica explícita).",{"idx":3142,"utterance_id":3143,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3144,"start_s":3145,"end_s":3146,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},477,"194679","Ya comenté esto aquí hoy, en el momento en que llegué.",2577.32,2580.28,{"idx":3148,"utterance_id":3149,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3150,"start_s":3151,"end_s":3152,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},478,"194680","¿Quién se involucró con el Banco Master?",2580.98,2583.66,{"idx":3154,"utterance_id":3155,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3156,"start_s":3157,"end_s":3158,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},479,"194681","BRB, que es un banco estatal.",2586.46,2589,{"idx":3160,"utterance_id":3161,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3162,"start_s":3163,"end_s":3164,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},480,"194682","Y fondos de pensiones estatales.",2589.66,2592.28,{"idx":3166,"utterance_id":3167,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3168,"start_s":3169,"end_s":3170,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},481,"194683","No hubo banco privado que pusiera dinero en el Master, ni fondo de pensión privado.",2592.96,2599.68,{"idx":3172,"utterance_id":3173,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3174,"start_s":3175,"end_s":3176,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":3177,"target_proposition":3178,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":3179,"indexable":702},482,"194684","Pero los políticos comprados, ahí es donde está el problema.",2600.16,2603.74,"bf6f5e9f-1762-4a23-b6e6-33d98a2e832d","combatir la corrupción en empresas estatales","identifica 'políticos comprados' como problema en las empresas estatales (apoyo a su combate).",{"idx":3181,"utterance_id":3182,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3183,"start_s":3184,"end_s":3185,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":3177,"target_proposition":3178,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":3186,"indexable":702},483,"194685","Los políticos comprados usan las estatales para sus negociados.",2604.34,2609.74,"dice que los políticos usan las empresas estatales para negociados (crítica y petición implícita de acción).",{"idx":3188,"utterance_id":3189,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3190,"start_s":3191,"end_s":3192,"word_count":149,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":3193,"target_proposition":3194,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":3195,"indexable":702},484,"194686","Todo el mundo aquí recordará el mensalão, el petrolão, la maleta de dinero.",2610.22,2615.78,"0a0708c1-47c0-4514-a803-87b94b857b08","investigar y castigar esquemas de corrupción con pruebas bancarias","menciona mensalão, petrolão y otros como recuerdo de escándalos (descripción).",{"idx":3197,"utterance_id":3198,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3199,"start_s":3200,"end_s":3201,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},485,"194687","de las grandes constructoras,",2616.36,2618.54,{"idx":3203,"utterance_id":3204,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2382,"start_s":3205,"end_s":3206,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},486,"194688",2618.82,2619.08,{"idx":3208,"utterance_id":3209,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3210,"start_s":3211,"end_s":3212,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},487,"194689","de los Correios, además del INSS —ahora con descuentos para los viejitos—, los Correios ya estuvo involucrado también.",2619.86,2627.26,{"idx":3214,"utterance_id":3215,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3216,"start_s":3217,"end_s":3218,"word_count":190,"topic_slug":3219,"topic_label":3220,"target_id":3221,"target_proposition":3222,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":3223,"indexable":702},488,"194690","Entonces, lo que quiero es que el Estado, debemos recordar, ya tiene una misión gigantesca.",2627.9,2634.54,"papel-do-estado","Papel del Estado","34ae42df-b33c-491b-bf0e-3004208eedb5","reducir la participación empresarial del Estado y centrarse en la provisión de servicios públicos esenciales","defiende que el Estado ya tiene una misión gigantesca y debe centrarse en servicios esenciales.",{"idx":3225,"utterance_id":3226,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3227,"start_s":3228,"end_s":3229,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":3219,"topic_label":3220,"target_id":3221,"target_proposition":3222,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":3230,"indexable":702},489,"194691","en el área de la seguridad pública, en la salud, en la educación, en infraestructura, y el Estado aún estará administrando la empresa.",2635.2,2646.58,"enumera áreas esenciales que el Estado debe priorizar en lugar de administrar empresas.",{"idx":3232,"utterance_id":3233,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3234,"start_s":3235,"end_s":3236,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},490,"194692","Digo que no conozco a nadie que haya estudiado ingeniería, medicina y derecho y que ejerza bien las tres profesiones.",2647.18,2655.62,{"idx":3238,"utterance_id":3239,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3240,"start_s":3241,"end_s":3242,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},491,"194693","No conozco a ninguno.",2655.7,2656.54,{"idx":3244,"utterance_id":3245,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3246,"start_s":3247,"end_s":3248,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":3219,"topic_label":3220,"target_id":3221,"target_proposition":3222,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":3249,"indexable":702},492,"194694","El Estado brasileño ya tiene demasiado que hacer.",2657.54,2661.34,"afirma que el Estado ya tiene demasiadas cosas que hacer (apoyo al enfoque estatal).",{"idx":3251,"utterance_id":3252,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3253,"start_s":3254,"end_s":3255,"word_count":149,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":3256,"target_proposition":3257,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":3258,"indexable":702},493,"194695","Yo digo que voy a hacer bien la educación, la seguridad pública, la salud y la infraestructura.",2661.98,2668.54,"4beb1792-c971-4c03-8d4d-d96365920269","mejorar la gestión de servicios públicos esenciales (educación, salud, seguridad e infraestructura)","promete mejorar la educación, la seguridad, la salud y la infraestructura (compromiso explícito).",{"idx":3260,"utterance_id":3261,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3262,"start_s":3263,"end_s":3264,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":2908,"target_proposition":2909,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":3265,"indexable":702},494,"194696","Y la empresa, el sector privado lo maneja mucho mejor.",2669.26,2673.66,"afirma que el sector privado gestiona las empresas mucho mejor (apoyo a la privatización).",{"idx":3267,"utterance_id":3268,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3269,"start_s":3270,"end_s":3271,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},495,"194697","Y las empresas federales están subvaloradas.",2673.68,2678.14,{"idx":3273,"utterance_id":3274,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3275,"start_s":3276,"end_s":3277,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":3136,"topic_label":3137,"target_id":3278,"target_proposition":3279,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":3280,"indexable":702},496,"194698","Yo, como gobernador de Minas, llevé gente capacitada para administrar la empresa de energía, que es la Semig, y la empresa de saneamiento, que es la Copasa.",2679,2689.86,"af42cc3e-942c-4a37-82d1-1d23257c6e29","garantizar la independencia técnica de las empresas estatales, evitando nombramientos políticos","reclama haber llevado gente capacitada para administrar empresas estatales (acción propia).",{"idx":3282,"utterance_id":3283,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3284,"start_s":3285,"end_s":3286,"word_count":103,"topic_slug":3136,"topic_label":3137,"target_id":3278,"target_proposition":3279,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":2205,"rationale":3287,"indexable":74},497,"194699","Ambas se valorizaron más del 300%.",2690.24,2694.12,"informa la valorización de las empresas bajo su gestión (reclamo de resultado).",{"idx":3289,"utterance_id":3290,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3291,"start_s":3292,"end_s":3293,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":2908,"target_proposition":2909,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":3294,"indexable":74},498,"194700","Y se puede hacer lo mismo.",2695.26,2697.04,"afirma que el mismo resultado obtenido en Minas se puede replicar en otros lugares (apoyo a la privatización\u002Fgestión).",{"idx":3296,"utterance_id":3297,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3298,"start_s":3299,"end_s":3300,"word_count":284,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":2908,"target_proposition":2909,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":3077,"rationale":3301,"indexable":702},499,"194701","Y en el momento en que tomemos lo que vale Petrobras, lo que vale un Banco do Brasil, lo que vale Correios, y lo invirtamos en infraestructura, en ferrocarriles, en hidrovías, en puertos, en aeropuertos, ¿cuánto va a crecer este país?",2697.46,2717.32,"propone tomar el valor de las empresas estatales (venta) como fuente de recursos (sugerencia explícita).",{"idx":3303,"utterance_id":3304,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3305,"start_s":3306,"end_s":3307,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},500,"194702","Es mucho más de lo que está creciendo ahora.",2717.96,2720.36,{"idx":3309,"utterance_id":3310,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3311,"start_s":3312,"end_s":3313,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},501,"194703","Por cierto, Brasil se ha quedado atrás.",2720.4,2722.22,{"idx":3315,"utterance_id":3316,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3317,"start_s":3318,"end_s":3319,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},502,"194704","Cuando empecé mi empresa allí, Brasil representaba el 4% de la economía mundial.",2724.36,2731.54,{"idx":3321,"utterance_id":3322,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3323,"start_s":3324,"end_s":3325,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},503,"194705","Hoy representa el 2%.",2731.7,2732.82,{"idx":3327,"utterance_id":3328,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3329,"start_s":3330,"end_s":3331,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},504,"194706","Dentro de poco representará el 1%.",2733.48,2735.18,{"idx":3333,"utterance_id":3334,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3335,"start_s":3336,"end_s":3337,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},505,"194707","¿Será que este modelo nuestro está funcionando?",2735.8,2738.3,{"idx":3339,"utterance_id":3340,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3341,"start_s":3342,"end_s":3343,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},506,"194708","Las empresas que los políticos dicen que son estratégicas lo son.",2738.86,2743.44,{"idx":3345,"utterance_id":3346,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3347,"start_s":3348,"end_s":3349,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},507,"194709","Lo único que no dicen es que es para ellos, para dar empleo.",2743.56,2746.88,{"idx":3351,"utterance_id":3352,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3353,"start_s":3354,"end_s":3355,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},508,"194710","para hacer corrupción, para repartir favores.",2747.34,2750.74,{"idx":3357,"utterance_id":3358,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3359,"start_s":3360,"end_s":3361,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},509,"194711","Vi eso como gobernador de Minas en la empresa de energía eléctrica del Estado.",2751.28,2757.08,{"idx":3363,"utterance_id":3364,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3365,"start_s":3366,"end_s":3367,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},510,"194712","Hasta que yo asumí, solo se conseguía construir plantas fotovoltaicas en Minas.",2757.7,2763.52,{"idx":3369,"utterance_id":3370,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3371,"start_s":3372,"end_s":3373,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},511,"194713","quien era amigo del rey, quien tenía contacto político.",2763.96,2768.32,{"idx":3375,"utterance_id":3376,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3377,"start_s":3378,"end_s":3379,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},512,"194714","Es un negocio muy rentable y quien lo conseguía, Vilela, en vez de hacer la inversión, salía al mercado vendiendo autorizaciones.",2768.86,2780.14,{"idx":3381,"utterance_id":3382,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3383,"start_s":3384,"end_s":3385,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},513,"194715","¿Es así como este país tiene que funcionar?",2782.04,2784.34,{"idx":3387,"utterance_id":3388,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3389,"start_s":3390,"end_s":3391,"word_count":26,"indexable":74},514,"194716","Cuando llegué dije: quiero un mapa de Minas con todos los lugares de conexión para quien quiera invertir aquí, invertir.",2785.08,2794.24,{"idx":3393,"utterance_id":3394,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3395,"start_s":3396,"end_s":3397,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},515,"194717","¿Qué pasó?",2794.54,2795.52,{"idx":3399,"utterance_id":3400,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3401,"start_s":3402,"end_s":3403,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":3404,"topic_label":3405,"target_id":3406,"target_proposition":3407,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":3408,"indexable":702},516,"194718","Solo en energía fotovoltaica para Minas Gerais hubo más de 80 mil millones de reais en inversiones.",2796.1,2804.18,"matriz-energetica","Matriz energética","cf49c46a-7dac-468f-a968-6f2f7cc25f8e","atraer inversiones en energía fotovoltaica","cita R$80 bilhões en inversiones en fotovoltaica en Minas (defensa de la política).",{"idx":3410,"utterance_id":3411,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3412,"start_s":3413,"end_s":3414,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},517,"194719","Miles de empleos.",2804.78,2806.96,{"idx":3416,"utterance_id":3417,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3418,"start_s":3419,"end_s":3420,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},518,"194720","Y hoy, Minas es el líder indiscutible de este tipo de energía en Brasil.",2807.28,2815.06,{"idx":3422,"utterance_id":3423,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3424,"start_s":3425,"end_s":3426,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},519,"194721","¿Y el efecto colateral de eso?",2815.56,2817.34,{"idx":3428,"utterance_id":3429,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3430,"start_s":3431,"end_s":3432,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},520,"194722","Recuperación del nivel de los embalses de Três Marias, de Furnas, de Nova Ponte, que estaban muy bajos.",2817.84,2826.34,{"idx":3434,"utterance_id":3435,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3436,"start_s":3437,"end_s":3438,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":3177,"target_proposition":3178,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":3439,"indexable":702},521,"194723","Entonces, digo que la estatal sirve muy bien",2827.12,2831.32,"afirma que las empresas estatales sirven para que políticos vendidos hagan esquemas (crítica explícita).",{"idx":3441,"utterance_id":3442,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3443,"start_s":3444,"end_s":3445,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},522,"194724","para que los políticos vendidos hagan sus esquemas.",2831.86,2835.9,{"idx":3447,"utterance_id":3448,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3449,"start_s":3450,"end_s":3451,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":3136,"topic_label":3137,"target_id":3452,"target_proposition":3453,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":3454,"indexable":702},523,"194725","Y lo que necesitamos son empresas bien gestionadas.",2836.32,2839.6,"12f81f74-4fc7-4bd7-a469-b19bdcaf15e3","mejorar los incentivos de gestión en empresas estatales","declara la necesidad de empresas bien gestionadas (llamado a la gestión).",{"idx":3456,"utterance_id":3457,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3458,"start_s":3459,"end_s":3460,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},524,"194726","Y para terminar aquí, Vilela, recordando que la estatal está anquilosada.",2840.14,2843.46,{"idx":3462,"utterance_id":3463,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3464,"start_s":3465,"end_s":3466,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":2908,"target_proposition":2909,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":3467,"indexable":74},525,"194727","La Copasa, que es la empresa de saneamiento, fue privatizada.",2844.54,2847.66,"informa que Copasa fue privatizada (constatación de hecho).",{"idx":3469,"utterance_id":3470,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3471,"start_s":3472,"end_s":3473,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":2908,"target_proposition":2909,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":3474,"indexable":702},526,"194728","Antes de su privatización, para hacer una obra te tomaba dos años.",2848.02,2852.92,"compara plazos antes y después de la privatización, argumentando a favor de la medida.",{"idx":3476,"utterance_id":3477,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3478,"start_s":3479,"end_s":3480,"word_count":103,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":2908,"target_proposition":2909,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":3481,"indexable":74},527,"194729","Ahora en seis meses se hace.",2853.1,2854.56,"dice que las obras ahora se hacen en seis meses, apoyando la eficiencia de la privatización.",{"idx":3483,"utterance_id":3484,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3485,"start_s":3486,"end_s":3487,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},528,"194730","Porque contratas a quien ya conoces, sabes que tiene calidad, que tiene precio y que te entregará en el plazo.",2855.3,2862.42,{"idx":3489,"utterance_id":3490,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3491,"start_s":3492,"end_s":3493,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},529,"194731","Antes hacías una licitación, el segundo colocado iba a la justicia, no, el primero no puede por esto, por aquello.",2862.48,2870.5,{"idx":3495,"utterance_id":3496,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3497,"start_s":3498,"end_s":3499,"word_count":141,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":2908,"target_proposition":2909,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":3500,"indexable":702},530,"194732","Entonces, digo que Brasil está desperdiciando una oportunidad de desarrollo, teniendo capital que es escaso, en empresas estatales.",2870.92,2882.06,"afirma que Brasil pierde oportunidades por mantener capital en empresas estatales (apoyo a la venta).",{"idx":3502,"utterance_id":3503,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3504,"start_s":3505,"end_s":3506,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},531,"194733","El gobierno... No tiene recursos para invertir en infraestructura.",2882.22,2886.16,{"idx":3508,"utterance_id":3509,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3510,"start_s":3511,"end_s":3512,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},532,"194734","Y lo que el brasileño quiere es mejora en los hospitales, en los centros de salud, en las carreteras.",2886.44,2892.1,{"idx":3514,"utterance_id":3515,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3516,"start_s":3517,"end_s":3518,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":3519,"topic_label":3520,"target_id":3521,"target_proposition":3522,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":3523,"indexable":702},533,"194735","Y eso es lo que voy a hacer con el dinero de las estatales.",2892.46,2894.64,"infraestrutura-e-saneamento","Infraestructura y saneamiento","9c7ddac2-c299-4183-9f99-6988ef38024b","usar recursos de la privatización para invertir en infraestructura","afirma que usará el dinero de las empresas estatales para mejorar carreteras y aeropuertos.",{"idx":3525,"utterance_id":3526,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3527,"start_s":3528,"end_s":3529,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},534,"194736","¿Alguien aquí ha recibido dividendos de Petrobras?",2894.7,2897.62,{"idx":3531,"utterance_id":3532,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3533,"start_s":3534,"end_s":3535,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},535,"194737","Estoy seguro de que nadie los ha recibido.",2897.94,2899.56,{"idx":3537,"utterance_id":3538,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3539,"start_s":3540,"end_s":3541,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},536,"194738","Yo nunca los recibí.",2899.64,2900.4,{"idx":3543,"utterance_id":3544,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3545,"start_s":3546,"end_s":3547,"word_count":149,"topic_slug":3519,"topic_label":3520,"target_id":3548,"target_proposition":3549,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":3550,"indexable":702},537,"194739","Pero quiero buenas carreteras, buenos aeropuertos, hidrovías para nuestros productos, ferrocarriles.",2900.72,2906.28,"140c0c83-708e-4357-b634-43aff01515f8","invertir en infraestructura, con énfasis en ferrocarriles","enumera el deseo explícito de mejores carreteras, aeropuertos, hidrovías y ferrovías.",{"idx":3552,"utterance_id":3553,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1549,"start_s":3554,"end_s":3555,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},538,"194740",2907.18,2907.76,{"idx":3557,"utterance_id":3558,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3559,"start_s":3560,"end_s":3561,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},539,"194741","Vamos entonces ahora a salud con Muzi.",2908.36,2911.84,{"idx":3563,"utterance_id":3564,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3565,"start_s":3566,"end_s":3567,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},540,"194742","¿Está listo ahí?",2912.56,2913.7,{"idx":3569,"utterance_id":3570,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2422,"start_s":3571,"end_s":3572,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},541,"194743",2913.86,2914.48,{"idx":3574,"utterance_id":3575,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3576,"start_s":3577,"end_s":3578,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},542,"194744","Candidato, buenas noches.",2925.4,2926.2,{"idx":3580,"utterance_id":3581,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3582,"start_s":3583,"end_s":3584,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},543,"194745","Mi nombre es Paulo Muzi.",2926.24,2926.98,{"idx":3586,"utterance_id":3587,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3588,"start_s":3589,"end_s":3590,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},544,"194746","Soy médico ortopedista, traumatólogo.",2927.18,2929.04,{"idx":3592,"utterance_id":3593,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3594,"start_s":3595,"end_s":3596,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},545,"194747","También soy médico del deporte; ejercí la medicina en el estado de São Paulo.",2929.1,2932.36,{"idx":3598,"utterance_id":3599,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3600,"start_s":3601,"end_s":3602,"word_count":212,"indexable":74},546,"194748","Y mi pregunta para usted es acerca de la salud brasileña, desde el ingreso a la facultad de medicina hasta la atención al público.",2932.42,2938.14,{"idx":3604,"utterance_id":3605,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3606,"start_s":3607,"end_s":3608,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},547,"194749","Estudié en una facultad federal.",2938.52,2940,{"idx":3610,"utterance_id":3611,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3612,"start_s":3613,"end_s":3614,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},548,"194750","Trabajé en el SUS durante 12 años.",2940.58,2942.38,{"idx":3616,"utterance_id":3617,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3618,"start_s":3619,"end_s":3620,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},549,"194751","Y este tema me es muy querido.",2942.68,2945.02,{"idx":3622,"utterance_id":3623,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3624,"start_s":3625,"end_s":3626,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},550,"194752","En primer lugar, el ingreso a la facultad de medicina.",2945.04,2947.28,{"idx":3628,"utterance_id":3629,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3630,"start_s":3631,"end_s":3632,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},551,"194753","Una serie de medidas hizo que tuviéramos una gran división de la población y de la sociedad, haciendo prácticamente imposible que alguien originario de la clase media como yo ingrese hoy a la facultad de medicina pública.",2947.54,2961.28,{"idx":3634,"utterance_id":3635,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3636,"start_s":3637,"end_s":3638,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},552,"194754","¿Usted va a mirar esto con más cuidado ahora?",2961.4,2963.66,{"idx":3640,"utterance_id":3641,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3642,"start_s":3643,"end_s":3644,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},553,"194755","Segundo, sobre la formación médica.",2964.18,2966.32,{"idx":3646,"utterance_id":3647,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3648,"start_s":3649,"end_s":3650,"word_count":32,"indexable":74},554,"194756","Por más que falten plazas en la facultad pública, gratuita y de calidad para todos, vemos un montón de facultades de medicina abriéndose por ahí sin... las debidas justificaciones sociales.",2966.74,2978.6,{"idx":3652,"utterance_id":3653,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3654,"start_s":3655,"end_s":3656,"word_count":26,"indexable":74},555,"194757","Si se tiene en cuenta que tenemos más facultades de medicina que la propia China, que tiene una población inmensamente mayor que la nuestra.",2979,2984.26,{"idx":3658,"utterance_id":3659,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3660,"start_s":3661,"end_s":3662,"word_count":409,"indexable":74},556,"194758","Y eso termina siendo un problema, no por la cantidad de facultades de medicina, sino porque la mayoría de esas facultades aparecen para los alumnos sin tener un hospital escuela, sin un servicio coordinado para que los alumnos tengan acceso a una buena formación, que prácticamente es una máquina para cobrarles a los alumnos y engañarlos.",2985.34,3003.08,{"idx":3664,"utterance_id":3665,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3666,"start_s":3667,"end_s":3668,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},557,"194759","Eso me deja bastante preocupado.",3003.62,3005.74,{"idx":3670,"utterance_id":3671,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3672,"start_s":3673,"end_s":3674,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},558,"194760","Tercero, esos miles de alumnos tienen que practicar la medicina, la práctica que conduce a mejores médicos.",3006.14,3014.5,{"idx":3676,"utterance_id":3677,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3678,"start_s":3679,"end_s":3680,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},559,"194761","Eso ocurre en la especialización, en la residencia.",3014.86,3017.38,{"idx":3682,"utterance_id":3683,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3684,"start_s":3685,"end_s":3686,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},560,"194762","Pero en mi época ya había pocas plazas de residencia, estamos hablando de 2004, cuando me gradué.",3017.86,3021.98,{"idx":3688,"utterance_id":3689,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3690,"start_s":3691,"end_s":3692,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},561,"194763","Serví en el ejército, y luego fui a la residencia, y en esa época hicimos un examen en el que de mi aula había 22 médicos para 3 plazas.",3022.46,3031.1,{"idx":3694,"utterance_id":3695,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3696,"start_s":3697,"end_s":3698,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},562,"194764","Eso no mejoró con el tiempo.",3032.66,3033.76,{"idx":3700,"utterance_id":3701,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3702,"start_s":3703,"end_s":3704,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},563,"194765","Empeoró.",3034.1,3034.76,{"idx":3706,"utterance_id":3707,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3708,"start_s":3709,"end_s":3710,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},564,"194766","Y quiero saber si usted va a ocuparse de eso también.",3035.78,3037.7,{"idx":3712,"utterance_id":3713,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3714,"start_s":3715,"end_s":3716,"word_count":546,"topic_slug":3717,"topic_label":3718,"target_id":3719,"target_proposition":3720,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":3721,"indexable":702},565,"194767","Y finalmente, si estamos hablando de la práctica médica, ¿va usted a devolver y dejar de permitir que la política se entrometa en medio de la medicina y va a entregar de hecho lo que es la responsabilidad médica, la profesión médica, la enseñanza médica a los consejos regionales, al Conselho Federal de Medicina, que son las personas que tienen no solo la capacidad para cuidar de la carrera médica, sino para formar mejores médicos y cuidar de la práctica médica en el país?",3037.92,3064.86,"regulamentacao-profissional","Reglamentación Profesional","c3aeb4f8-a0fc-421e-9788-cc0bf4c8dc7e","transferir la regulación y gestión de la formación médica a los consejos profesionales (Conselhos Regionais y CFM)","pide 'devolver' la enseñanza y la responsabilidad médica a los consejos (pedido explícito).",{"idx":3723,"utterance_id":3724,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3725,"start_s":3726,"end_s":3727,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},566,"194768","Yo llamándolo toda la vida 'Muzi' y iba a descubrir hoy que se llama Muzi.",3069.16,3072.84,{"idx":3729,"utterance_id":3730,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3731,"start_s":3732,"end_s":3733,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},567,"194769","También lo descubrí.",3073.16,3073.8,{"idx":3735,"utterance_id":3736,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3737,"start_s":3738,"end_s":3739,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},568,"194770","Porque él nunca nos lo dijo.",3074.88,3075.92,{"idx":3741,"utterance_id":3742,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3743,"start_s":3744,"end_s":3745,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},569,"194771","Decía 'Muzi, Muzi' y era 'Muzi'.",3076.5,3077.96,{"idx":3747,"utterance_id":3748,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3749,"start_s":3750,"end_s":3751,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},570,"194772","Vamos a la respuesta entonces.",3078.8,3079.74,{"idx":3753,"utterance_id":3754,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3755,"start_s":3756,"end_s":3757,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":3717,"topic_label":3718,"target_id":3719,"target_proposition":3720,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":3758,"indexable":74},571,"194773","Su posición es muy buena.",3080.48,3082.86,"declara que la posición del cuestionador es muy buena (aprobación explícita).",{"idx":3760,"utterance_id":3761,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3762,"start_s":3763,"end_s":3764,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":3717,"topic_label":3718,"target_id":3765,"target_proposition":3766,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":3767,"indexable":702},572,"194774","Primero, Vilela, la política y la salud, la medicina nunca deberían mezclarse.",3084.24,3091.96,"3b7da390-78bf-4112-ad56-8fd7244d82b4","transferir la regulación y gestión de la formación y práctica médica a consejos profesionales","afirma que política y salud no deberían mezclarse (apoyo a la autonomía de los consejos).",{"idx":3769,"utterance_id":3770,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3771,"start_s":3772,"end_s":3773,"word_count":201,"indexable":74},573,"194775","Me indigno mucho cuando alguien es político y no es del área de la salud y comienza a opinar, aconsejar, orientar.",3094,3106.6,{"idx":3775,"utterance_id":3776,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3777,"start_s":3778,"end_s":3779,"word_count":307,"indexable":74},574,"194776","Incluso entre los profesionales de la salud a veces ya hay divergencias, quienes estudiaron toda la vida, quienes hicieron una carrera en el área, y muchas veces los populistas usan el área de la salud para poder decir: vacune, no vacune, haga esto, haga aquello.",3107.72,3124.02,{"idx":3781,"utterance_id":3782,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3783,"start_s":3784,"end_s":3785,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":3786,"target_proposition":3787,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":3788,"indexable":702},575,"194777","Yo no soy del área de la salud, a mí me gusta tener un gran secretario y tendré un gran ministro de salud para hacer lo que sea mejor.",3124.58,3135.02,"357f040a-c5ad-4207-bb61-15dcbc4cef7b","realizar procesos selectivos para la designación de secretarios y gestores públicos","dice que tendrá un gran secretario y ministro de Salud (compromiso explícito).",{"idx":3790,"utterance_id":3791,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3792,"start_s":3793,"end_s":3794,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},576,"194778","Y Brasil necesita avanzar en salud.",3135.04,3139.86,{"idx":3796,"utterance_id":3797,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3798,"start_s":3799,"end_s":3800,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},577,"194779","Habló aquí de una serie de problemas.",3140.42,3142.42,{"idx":3802,"utterance_id":3803,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3804,"start_s":3805,"end_s":3806,"word_count":201,"indexable":74},578,"194780","Mire, un estudiante de medicina que quiere hacer la residencia, trabajar, especializarse, podría estar atendiendo consultas, podría estar asistiendo a los médicos y sin embargo está ahí parado.",3142.54,3157.58,{"idx":3808,"utterance_id":3809,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3810,"start_s":3811,"end_s":3812,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},579,"194781","Y gente en la fila para operarse y para consultas.",3157.88,3160.34,{"idx":3814,"utterance_id":3815,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3816,"start_s":3817,"end_s":3818,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},580,"194782","Usted ve la ineficiencia de Brasil.",3161.32,3164.16,{"idx":3820,"utterance_id":3821,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3822,"start_s":3823,"end_s":3824,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},581,"194783","Estudiante queriendo, 'quiero practicar' y no puede.",3164.78,3168.6,{"idx":3826,"utterance_id":3827,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3828,"start_s":3829,"end_s":3830,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},582,"194784","Y hay gente que está en la fila para hacerse un examen, una consulta, una operación.",3169.04,3174.08,{"idx":3832,"utterance_id":3833,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3834,"start_s":3835,"end_s":3836,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},583,"194785","Él habló de ingresar primero en las escuelas.",3174.9,3177.3,{"idx":3838,"utterance_id":3839,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3840,"start_s":3841,"end_s":3842,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":3843,"topic_label":3844,"target_id":3845,"target_proposition":3846,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":3077,"rationale":3847,"indexable":74},584,"194786","Yo estoy a favor de las cuotas sociales.",3178.06,3181.56,"educacao-e-acesso-a-universidade","Educación y acceso a la universidad","94523cfb-9f05-437a-bafc-236b6aa4d1b8","adoptar cupos para estudiantes de escuela pública en el ingreso a universidades","se declara favorable a las cuotas sociales, especificando a quienes provienen de escuela pública.",{"idx":3849,"utterance_id":3850,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3851,"start_s":3852,"end_s":3853,"word_count":155,"topic_slug":3843,"topic_label":3844,"target_id":3845,"target_proposition":3846,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":3854,"indexable":702},585,"194787","Creo que debe haber cuota, pero para quienes vienen de la escuela pública.",3182.04,3186.74,"reafirma que las cuotas deben priorizar a quienes estudiaron en escuela pública.",{"idx":3856,"utterance_id":3857,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3858,"start_s":3859,"end_s":3860,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},586,"194788","En Brasil hemos creado cuotas de todo tipo.",3187.34,3190.14,{"idx":3862,"utterance_id":3863,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3864,"start_s":3865,"end_s":3866,"word_count":26,"indexable":74},587,"194789","Excepto —creo que es importante decirlo— quien proviene de una familia más humilde, con menor renta, esa persona lo necesita.",3190.58,3198.2,{"idx":3868,"utterance_id":3869,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3870,"start_s":3871,"end_s":3872,"word_count":161,"topic_slug":3843,"topic_label":3844,"target_id":3873,"target_proposition":3874,"stance":1302,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":3875,"indexable":702},588,"194790","Aquí se creó la cuestión de transexuales, de no sé qué más, de indígenas, cuotas, ¿no?",3198.72,3207.86,"40ca993a-5662-4a1c-95d4-a7e7e30521af","mantener y fortalecer programas como ProUni, Fies y políticas de cuotas raciales","critica las cuotas para transexuales, indígenas y categorías identitarias (oposición explícita).",{"idx":3877,"utterance_id":3878,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3879,"start_s":3880,"end_s":3881,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":3843,"topic_label":3844,"target_id":3873,"target_proposition":3874,"stance":1302,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":3882,"indexable":702},589,"194791","Entonces, yo estoy en lo contrario, tenemos que corregir eso.",3208.38,3210.96,"declara 'sou o contrário' y propone corregir el modelo actual (oposición clara).",{"idx":3884,"utterance_id":3885,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3886,"start_s":3887,"end_s":3888,"word_count":26,"topic_slug":3843,"topic_label":3844,"target_id":3845,"target_proposition":3846,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":3889,"indexable":702},590,"194792","Necesita cuota quien proviene de una situación que no es tan buena como la de una familia que tiene la capacidad de pagar escuela privada.",3211.42,3220.02,"dice que la cuota debe ser para quienes provienen de situaciones socioeconómicas desfavorables.",{"idx":3891,"utterance_id":3892,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3893,"start_s":3894,"end_s":3895,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},591,"194793","Las escuelas, como él dijo, han aumentado mucho.",3222.76,3226.16,{"idx":3897,"utterance_id":3898,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3899,"start_s":3900,"end_s":3901,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},592,"194794","Y, muchas veces, es la facultad de la esquina que no se preocupa por la calidad.",3227.1,3233.48,{"idx":3903,"utterance_id":3904,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3905,"start_s":3906,"end_s":3907,"word_count":141,"topic_slug":3717,"topic_label":3718,"target_id":3908,"target_proposition":3909,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":3910,"rationale":3911,"indexable":702},593,"194795","Estoy a favor, de la misma manera que ya existe para el área del Derecho, de que tengamos un examen de competencia.",3234.14,3243.28,"ac39857f-5995-4114-b2a7-400704cd7df9","implementar examen de competencia para médicos",0.93,"dice ser favorable a un examen de competencia, citando el ejemplo del ámbito del derecho.",{"idx":3913,"utterance_id":3914,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3915,"start_s":3916,"end_s":3917,"word_count":385,"indexable":74},594,"194796","Y, en mi opinión, quien trata con vida humana, que es el caso del médico, Vilela, no sé si usted está de acuerdo conmigo: un piloto de avión, cada tres años, necesita pasar por un chequeo completo, porque si se siente mal mientras pilota un avión, puede matar a 100, 200 personas.",3244.08,3265.06,{"idx":3919,"utterance_id":3920,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3921,"start_s":3922,"end_s":3923,"word_count":228,"topic_slug":3717,"topic_label":3718,"target_id":3924,"target_proposition":3925,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":3926,"indexable":702},595,"194797","En mi opinión, un médico debería someterse a evaluaciones periódicas también, para saber si está al tanto de una sustancia nueva que cura una enfermedad.",3265.64,3278.14,"2fa22437-85d4-4943-9501-d2da5e1f8ef7","someter a médicos a evaluaciones periódicas de competencia","defiende que los médicos se sometan a evaluaciones periódicas, comparándolos con pilotos.",{"idx":3928,"utterance_id":3929,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3930,"start_s":3931,"end_s":3932,"word_count":212,"indexable":74},596,"194798","Que a veces no estudia y sigue recetando una antigua que no tiene, a veces, el mismo buen efecto de algo más moderno.",3278.16,3287.82,{"idx":3934,"utterance_id":3935,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3936,"start_s":3937,"end_s":3938,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},597,"194799","Entonces, para mí, el médico debería ser sometido a ese escrutinio siempre.",3288.2,3293.46,{"idx":3940,"utterance_id":3941,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3942,"start_s":3943,"end_s":3944,"word_count":54,"indexable":74},598,"194800","Sé que la OAB ya hace eso con los abogados, pero creo que es solo una vez; en mi opinión, para quien trata con vidas, debería ser continuamente.",3293.94,3303.14,{"idx":3946,"utterance_id":3947,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3948,"start_s":3949,"end_s":3950,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},599,"194801","Otro punto que quiero... En Brasil, acabar con aquellas zonas que no tienen asistencia.",3304.84,3312.48,{"idx":3952,"utterance_id":3953,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3954,"start_s":3955,"end_s":3956,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":3957,"target_proposition":3958,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":3959,"indexable":74},600,"194802","Vi eso en mi estado.",3312.8,3314.52,"d4bedcf0-08c0-4b0b-a2fd-ea563c405958","fortalecer la atención primaria y el diagnóstico precoz en el SUS","afirma haber construido más de 400 UBS en el estado (reclamo de acción).",{"idx":3961,"utterance_id":3962,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3963,"start_s":3964,"end_s":3965,"word_count":54,"indexable":74},601,"194803","Construí más de 400 unidades básicas de salud en un estado donde las personas muchas veces necesitaban viajar dos, tres horas para hacerse un examen, para hacerse una consulta.",3315.22,3330.68,{"idx":3967,"utterance_id":3968,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3969,"start_s":3970,"end_s":3971,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},602,"194804","Eso, gracias a Dios, hoy es cosa del pasado.",3331.24,3333.9,{"idx":3973,"utterance_id":3974,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3975,"start_s":3976,"end_s":3977,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},603,"194805","Debemos en Brasil valorar mucho llevar a todos la atención primaria, que es el puesto de salud.",3334.5,3343.78,{"idx":3979,"utterance_id":3980,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3981,"start_s":3982,"end_s":3983,"word_count":101,"indexable":74},604,"194806","Es allí donde la madre, la futura madre, tiene la posibilidad de hacerse el control prenatal, detectar cualquier complicación en el embarazo, si tuviera que viajar horas.",3344.38,3356.06,{"idx":3985,"utterance_id":3986,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3987,"start_s":3988,"end_s":3989,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},605,"194807","Tal vez ya no se anime.",3356.44,3358.8,{"idx":3991,"utterance_id":3992,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3993,"start_s":3994,"end_s":3995,"word_count":325,"indexable":74},606,"194808","Es allí donde usted, Vilela, tiene la posibilidad de detectar a alguien que tiene la insulina alterada y ya recomendar cambios en la alimentación para que eso no se transforme en una diabetes, que es un problema gravísimo hoy, que solo ha ido aumentando en nuestra población.",3359.36,3378.18,{"idx":3997,"utterance_id":3998,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":3999,"start_s":4000,"end_s":4001,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},607,"194809","Es allí donde puede detectar que una mancha en la piel, si se opera ahora, es fácil, en lugar de transformarse en un tumor complejo.",3378.78,3389,{"idx":4003,"utterance_id":4004,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4005,"start_s":4006,"end_s":4007,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},608,"194810","Entonces, esa atención primaria, que en Brasil nunca recibió la debida atención, es lo principal.",3389.42,3396.5,{"idx":4009,"utterance_id":4010,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4011,"start_s":4012,"end_s":4013,"word_count":212,"indexable":74},609,"194811","Es tener en su barrio, tener cerca de su casa esta atención que, gracias a Dios, llevé a los mineiros.",3397.08,3407.08,{"idx":4015,"utterance_id":4016,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4017,"start_s":4018,"end_s":4019,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},610,"194812","Y recibí, Vilela, un gran cementerio de obras 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¿eh?",3580.8,3583.82,{"idx":4156,"utterance_id":4157,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4158,"start_s":4159,"end_s":4160,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},633,"194835","Cury subiendo, Renan subió.",3584.58,3587,{"idx":4162,"utterance_id":4163,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4164,"start_s":4165,"end_s":4166,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},634,"194836","¿Por qué no fue al debate?",3587.34,3588.8,{"idx":4168,"utterance_id":4169,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4170,"start_s":4171,"end_s":4172,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},635,"194837","Me extrañó.",3588.86,3589.36,{"idx":4174,"utterance_id":4175,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4176,"start_s":4177,"end_s":4178,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},636,"194838","No fui primero porque el principal candidato a quien iba a cuestionar, Lula, ya había dicho que no 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Y cambiaron la fecha también, ¿no?",3609.84,3612.58,{"idx":4209,"utterance_id":4210,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4211,"start_s":4212,"end_s":4213,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},642,"194844","De ese debate, ¿no?",3612.92,3613.6,{"idx":4215,"utterance_id":4216,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4217,"start_s":4218,"end_s":4219,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},643,"194845","Era para ser una fecha y después cambió a otra.",3613.94,3615.62,{"idx":63,"utterance_id":4221,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4222,"start_s":4223,"end_s":4224,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},"194846","Hubo un... 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¿no?",3680.5,3683.14,{"idx":4436,"utterance_id":4437,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4438,"start_s":4439,"end_s":4440,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},680,"194882","Entonces vamos allá.",3683.56,3684.28,{"idx":4442,"utterance_id":4443,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4444,"start_s":4445,"end_s":4446,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},681,"194883","¿La gente está lista?",3684.66,3685.44,{"idx":4448,"utterance_id":4449,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4450,"start_s":4451,"end_s":4452,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},682,"194884","Adelante, mándalo.",3686.08,3686.46,{"idx":4454,"utterance_id":4455,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4456,"start_s":4457,"end_s":4458,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},683,"194885","Entonces, muchas gracias.",3686.56,3688.16,{"idx":4460,"utterance_id":4461,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4462,"start_s":4463,"end_s":4464,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},684,"194886","Camila Xavier, Gustavo Zucchi, ¿me están 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ustedes.",3701.78,3703.04,{"idx":4490,"utterance_id":4491,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4492,"start_s":4493,"end_s":4494,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},689,"194891","Vamos entonces.",3706.48,3707.34,{"idx":4496,"utterance_id":4497,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4498,"start_s":4499,"end_s":4500,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},690,"194892","Quisiera preguntar al candidato, muy buenas noches.",3707.88,3710.96,{"idx":4502,"utterance_id":4503,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4504,"start_s":4505,"end_s":4506,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},691,"194893","Gracias también por estar aquí conversando con nosotros, aclarando su posición.",3711.52,3715.5,{"idx":4508,"utterance_id":4509,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4510,"start_s":4511,"end_s":4512,"word_count":101,"topic_slug":4513,"topic_label":4514,"target_id":4515,"target_proposition":4516,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":3077,"rationale":4517,"indexable":702},692,"194894","Sobre un tema actual, la CCJ del Senado, la Comisión de Constitución y Justicia, aprobó hoy el fin de la escala 6x1 sin cambios en el texto.",3716.78,3727.32,"relacoes-internacionais-trabalho","Relaciones Internacionales \u002F Trabajo","9f259113-172f-44da-9e3a-6d3b6519fd93","acabar con la escala 6x1","informa la decisión de la CCJ aprobando el fin de la escala 6x1.",{"idx":4519,"utterance_id":4520,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4521,"start_s":4522,"end_s":4523,"word_count":101,"topic_slug":4513,"topic_label":4514,"target_id":4515,"target_proposition":4516,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":836,"rationale":4524,"indexable":702},693,"194895","Solo para contextualizar a quienes nos siguen, aún es necesario que ese texto pase por el pleno del Senado, aprobación por la... la discusión por la totalidad de los senadores.",3727.82,3737.64,"explica la etapa legislativa necesaria (pasar por el pleno).",{"idx":4526,"utterance_id":4527,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4528,"start_s":4529,"end_s":4530,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":4513,"topic_label":4514,"target_id":4515,"target_proposition":4516,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":4531,"indexable":702},694,"194896","Pero hoy, el hecho es que esa comisión aprobó el fin de la escala 6x1 en la forma del texto original.",3738.1,3745.52,"afirma un hecho: la comisión aprobó el fin de la escala 6x1.",{"idx":4533,"utterance_id":4534,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4535,"start_s":4536,"end_s":4537,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},695,"194897","Quisiera entender del señor cuál es su postura sobre esa decisión de los senadores.",3745.68,3752.08,{"idx":4539,"utterance_id":4540,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4541,"start_s":4542,"end_s":4543,"word_count":141,"topic_slug":4513,"topic_label":4514,"target_id":4515,"target_proposition":4516,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":4544,"indexable":702},696,"194898","Usted había manifestado su oposición a este modelo de fin de la escala 6x1, pero hoy los senadores aprobaron ese modelo.",3752.14,3759.58,"informa que el candidato venía manifestándose en contra del modelo.",{"idx":4546,"utterance_id":4547,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4548,"start_s":4549,"end_s":4550,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},697,"194899","Entonces, ¿cuál es su postura?",3759.6,3760.88,{"idx":4552,"utterance_id":4553,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2422,"start_s":4554,"end_s":4555,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},698,"194900",3763.96,3764.2,{"idx":4557,"utterance_id":4558,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4559,"start_s":4560,"end_s":4561,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},699,"194901","Camila.",3765.48,3765.92,{"idx":4563,"utterance_id":4564,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4565,"start_s":4566,"end_s":4567,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},700,"194902","Eso.",3767.36,3768.6,{"idx":4569,"utterance_id":4570,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4571,"start_s":4572,"end_s":4573,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},701,"194903","Buenas noches, Camilo.",3768.62,3769.44,{"idx":4575,"utterance_id":4576,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4577,"start_s":4578,"end_s":4579,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},702,"194904","Gracias por la pregunta.",3769.46,3770.88,{"idx":4581,"utterance_id":4582,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4583,"start_s":4584,"end_s":4585,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":4513,"topic_label":4514,"target_id":4586,"target_proposition":4587,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":4588,"indexable":702},703,"194905","Camila, soy partidario de la modernización de las relaciones laborales en Brasil, porque tenemos una CLT que ya lleva casi 90 años de existencia.",3772.16,3786.58,"b0818086-8443-4973-908d-176323d830f1","simplificar leyes laborales y crear un régimen de trabajo por hora para formalizar el mercado laboral","declara explícitamente 'sou favorável à modernização das relações trabalhistas'.",{"idx":4590,"utterance_id":4591,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4592,"start_s":4593,"end_s":4594,"word_count":26,"topic_slug":4513,"topic_label":4514,"target_id":4595,"target_proposition":4596,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":3077,"rationale":4597,"indexable":702},704,"194906","Ella no contempla lo que se practica en todo el país que funcionó, que prosperó en el mundo, que es el trabajo por horas.",3787.62,3797.34,"1d2fbfa6-5339-4ff1-9656-681b9e9ad76d","crear legislación que permita la contratación por hora flexible","afirma que la CLT no prevé 'trabalho por hora' y señala que es necesario.",{"idx":4599,"utterance_id":4600,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4601,"start_s":4602,"end_s":4603,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":4513,"topic_label":4514,"target_id":4595,"target_proposition":4596,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":2205,"rationale":4604,"indexable":74},705,"194907","Esa falta de que tengamos ese tipo de previsión aquí en Brasil, o esa opción, hace que millones de brasileños migren al mercado informal.",3798.56,3811.54,"afirma que la ausencia de esa opción provoca migración hacia la informalidad.",{"idx":4606,"utterance_id":4607,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4608,"start_s":4609,"end_s":4610,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},706,"194908","Vengo del sector minorista, fui presidente de una empresa que tiene 5 mil empleados directos, sin contar los indirectos.",3812.64,3821.08,{"idx":4612,"utterance_id":4613,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4614,"start_s":4615,"end_s":4616,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},707,"194909","Así que viví eso toda mi vida.",3821.74,3824.14,{"idx":4618,"utterance_id":4619,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4620,"start_s":4621,"end_s":4622,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},708,"194910","Te voy a dar aquí algunos ejemplos.",3824.62,3826.38,{"idx":4624,"utterance_id":4625,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4626,"start_s":4627,"end_s":4628,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},709,"194911","Primero, joven aprendiz.",3826.6,3829.06,{"idx":4630,"utterance_id":4631,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4632,"start_s":4633,"end_s":4634,"word_count":32,"topic_slug":4635,"topic_label":4636,"target_id":4637,"target_proposition":4638,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":4639,"indexable":74},710,"194912","El joven aprendiz hoy solo existe en ciudades más grandes, donde hay unidades del SENAC, del SESI, que privilegian, por cuestión de escala, ciudades que generalmente tienen más de 40 o 50 mil habitantes.",3830.62,3849.3,"educacao-e-capacitacao-profissional","Educación y capacitación profesional","b0c34721-073f-4cc1-9e3a-5a4662e4518a","ampliar el acceso al trabajo formal para jóvenes mediante joven aprendiz","describe la desigualdad de acceso de Jovem Aprendiz entre municipios.",{"idx":4641,"utterance_id":4642,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4643,"start_s":4644,"end_s":4645,"word_count":290,"topic_slug":4635,"topic_label":4636,"target_id":4637,"target_proposition":4638,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":718,"rationale":4646,"indexable":702},711,"194913","En la gran mayoría de los municipios brasileños, que tienen 5, 10, 20 mil habitantes, un joven nunca conseguirá inscribirse en el Joven Aprendiz, porque solo está permitido donde el sistema S o una escuela homologada opere.",3850.02,3871.24,"informa que la mayoría de los pequeños municipios no ofrece el programa.",{"idx":4648,"utterance_id":4649,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4650,"start_s":4651,"end_s":4652,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":4635,"topic_label":4636,"target_id":4637,"target_proposition":4638,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":4653,"indexable":702},712,"194914","Quiero llevar eso a todo Brasil.",3872,3875.2,"declara 'Eu quero levar isso para o Brasil todo' refiriéndose al programa.",{"idx":4655,"utterance_id":4656,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4657,"start_s":4658,"end_s":4659,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":4635,"topic_label":4636,"target_id":4637,"target_proposition":4638,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":4660,"indexable":74},713,"194915","Entonces, primero... Formalicemos a más jóvenes.",3875.82,3879.3,"propone explícitamente 'Vamos formalizar mais jovens'.",{"idx":4662,"utterance_id":4663,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4664,"start_s":4665,"end_s":4666,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},714,"194916","¿Qué ocurre hoy con ese joven, Camila?",3879.52,3881.86,{"idx":4668,"utterance_id":4669,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4670,"start_s":4671,"end_s":4672,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":4635,"topic_label":4636,"target_id":4637,"target_proposition":4638,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":4673,"indexable":702},715,"194917","Él va a trabajar de forma informal, generalmente quien da empleo informal es una empresa de menor tamaño, poco estructurada, que no cumple la ley.",3882.48,3893.5,"describe que muchos jóvenes terminan trabajando informalmente.",{"idx":4675,"utterance_id":4676,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4677,"start_s":4678,"end_s":4679,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},716,"194918","Las empresas más serias, estructuradas, con buenos procesos, generalmente no hacen eso.",3894.1,3900.92,{"idx":4681,"utterance_id":4682,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4683,"start_s":4684,"end_s":4685,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},717,"194919","Entonces el joven sale perdiendo, la sociedad sale perdiendo.",3901.18,3905,{"idx":4687,"utterance_id":4688,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4689,"start_s":4690,"end_s":4691,"word_count":184,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":4692,"target_proposition":4693,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":2399,"rationale":4694,"indexable":74},718,"194920","Eso cuando el joven no es reclutado por organizaciones y facciones criminales que tienen propuestas lo más seductoras posibles.",3905.96,3915.26,"35f79920-c91e-49f3-be68-a47fdfc9791d","prevenir el reclutamiento de jóvenes por organizaciones criminales","asocia la informalidad juvenil al reclutamiento por facciones criminales.",{"idx":4696,"utterance_id":4697,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4698,"start_s":4699,"end_s":4700,"word_count":313,"topic_slug":4513,"topic_label":4514,"target_id":4595,"target_proposition":4596,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":3077,"rationale":4701,"indexable":702},719,"194921","Entonces, quiero esa formalización para esos jóvenes y quiero el empleo por horas del que estaba hablando, porque tenemos una cantidad gigantesca de brasileños que ya tienen una actividad profesional o que estudian y que quieren obtener un ingreso extra.",3916.02,3934.66,"declara 'quero o emprego por hora' como solución.",{"idx":4703,"utterance_id":4704,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4705,"start_s":4706,"end_s":4707,"word_count":325,"topic_slug":4513,"topic_label":4514,"target_id":4595,"target_proposition":4596,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":4708,"indexable":74},720,"194922","y que podrían estar haciendo una actividad en el horario que tienen disponible, ya que la mayoría de las veces son personas jóvenes, que todavía tienen energía, y quieren construir una casa, quieren mejorar su vida, y terminan sólo recurriendo a trabajos ocasionales.",3935.22,3954.02,"explica la demanda de trabajo en horarios disponibles.",{"idx":4710,"utterance_id":4711,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4712,"start_s":4713,"end_s":4714,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":4513,"topic_label":4514,"target_id":4595,"target_proposition":4596,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":4715,"indexable":702},721,"194923","Porque con nuestra CLT hoy es prácticamente imposible decir.",3954.5,3960.36,"afirma que la CLT actualmente dificulta ese tipo de contrato.",{"idx":4717,"utterance_id":4718,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4719,"start_s":4720,"end_s":4721,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},722,"194924","quiero trabajar solo el sábado de 8 de la mañana a 6 de la tarde.",3960.72,3965.56,{"idx":4723,"utterance_id":4724,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4725,"start_s":4726,"end_s":4727,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},723,"194925","La CLT prácticamente prohíbe ese tipo de contrato de trabajo.",3965.9,3971.76,{"idx":4729,"utterance_id":4730,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4731,"start_s":4732,"end_s":4733,"word_count":161,"topic_slug":4513,"topic_label":4514,"target_id":4586,"target_proposition":4587,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":4734,"indexable":702},724,"194926","Entonces lo que quiero es una legislación que se adapte... a la realidad del brasileño.",3972.28,3979.7,"dice querer 'uma legislação que se adeque' a la realidad brasileña.",{"idx":1042,"utterance_id":4736,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4737,"start_s":4738,"end_s":4739,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},"194927","Y lo que estamos viendo en vísperas de una elección es un populismo sin medida.",3980.1,3985.14,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":4741,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4742,"start_s":4743,"end_s":4744,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},"194928","¿Por qué esto no se discutió mucho antes o no se deja para después de la elección?",3985.56,3991.48,{"idx":4746,"utterance_id":4747,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4748,"start_s":4749,"end_s":4750,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},727,"194929","Es un gobierno que está allí desesperado por votos, que está mal evaluado y que anda diciendo que va a mejorar la vida del brasileño con decretos.",3991.9,4002.94,{"idx":4752,"utterance_id":4753,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4754,"start_s":4755,"end_s":4756,"word_count":201,"indexable":74},728,"194930","Y la vida... de un pueblo solo mejora con un gobierno serio, que es lo último que este gobierno no tiene.",4003.4,4010.86,{"idx":4758,"utterance_id":4759,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4760,"start_s":4761,"end_s":4762,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},729,"194931","Ahí está el caso del Banco Master y un presidente que está calladito.",4010.88,4015.9,{"idx":4764,"utterance_id":4765,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4766,"start_s":4767,"end_s":4768,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},730,"194932","Tanto Camila como Gustavo, no necesito llamar, pueden intervenir, hacer nuevas preguntas, réplicas, comentar, siéntanse a gusto.",4018.3,4026.06,{"idx":4770,"utterance_id":4771,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4772,"start_s":4773,"end_s":4774,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},731,"194933","Claro, Vilela, gracias, gobernador, candidato, gracias por participar, gracias por la oportunidad de hablar con nosotros aquí también de Metrópolis.",4027.84,4035.7,{"idx":4776,"utterance_id":4777,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4778,"start_s":4779,"end_s":4780,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},732,"194934","Quisiera volver un poco al tema que usted abordó hace un momento, que es la cuestión de las privatizaciones.",4036.44,4040.98,{"idx":4782,"utterance_id":4783,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4784,"start_s":4785,"end_s":4786,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},733,"194935","Uno de los ejemplos que usted citó en su discurso fue la Copasa.",4041.48,4044.94,{"idx":4788,"utterance_id":4789,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4790,"start_s":4791,"end_s":4792,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},734,"194936","la compañía que se encarga del saneamiento allí en Minas Gerais.",4045.52,4049.16,{"idx":4794,"utterance_id":4795,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4796,"start_s":4797,"end_s":4798,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},735,"194937","Pero la Copasa está enfrentando serios problemas allí, especialmente en la región de Belo Horizonte.",4049.72,4054.42,{"idx":4800,"utterance_id":4801,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4802,"start_s":4803,"end_s":4804,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},736,"194938","Tenemos gente en Belo Horizonte desde hace 15 días sin agua por problemas de la Copasa.",4054.66,4061.04,{"idx":4806,"utterance_id":4807,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4808,"start_s":4809,"end_s":4810,"word_count":244,"indexable":74},737,"194939","Hoy tuvimos una decisión del Tribunal de Justicia de Minas Gerais que obliga a la Copasa a pagar 300 millones por problemas en obras en la ciudad.",4061.4,4071.1,{"idx":4812,"utterance_id":4813,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4814,"start_s":4815,"end_s":4816,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},738,"194940","Podemos citar también otros ejemplos de privatizaciones que no están funcionando.",4071.8,4076.86,{"idx":4818,"utterance_id":4819,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4820,"start_s":4821,"end_s":4822,"word_count":319,"indexable":74},739,"194941","Por ejemplo, en São Paulo, la cuestión de Enelo, la compañía que se encarga de la electricidad en São Paulo, ha sido criticada durante varios años por servicios que no se están prestando a la gente, personas a veces pasando dos, tres semanas sin energía eléctrica.",4076.9,4092.88,{"idx":4824,"utterance_id":4825,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4826,"start_s":4827,"end_s":4828,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},740,"194942","¿Cómo convence al electorado de que una privatización de Petrobras, una privatización de los correos, va a funcionar mejor que esas privatizaciones en saneamiento, electricidad, que muchas personas están denunciando?",4093.14,4105.2,{"idx":4830,"utterance_id":4831,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4832,"start_s":4833,"end_s":4834,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},741,"194943","¿Cómo tener la certeza de que Petrobras, la gasolina, no se disparará en Brasil?",4105.54,4109.82,{"idx":4836,"utterance_id":4837,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4838,"start_s":4839,"end_s":4840,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},742,"194944","¿Cómo tener la certeza de que los correos privatizados no prestarán un servicio peor que el actual?",4110.14,4115.44,{"idx":4842,"utterance_id":4843,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4844,"start_s":4845,"end_s":4846,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},743,"194945","¿No es más fácil mejorar esos servicios?",4115.72,4118,{"idx":4848,"utterance_id":4849,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4850,"start_s":4851,"end_s":4852,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},744,"194946","Petrobras es una... una empresa que se considera un patrimonio brasileño.",4118.06,4123.24,{"idx":4854,"utterance_id":4855,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4856,"start_s":4857,"end_s":4858,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},745,"194947","Y solo para completar, hacer una segunda pregunta, que es sobre el mismo asunto.",4123.62,4126.86,{"idx":4860,"utterance_id":4861,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4862,"start_s":4863,"end_s":4864,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},746,"194948","Las privatizaciones siempre fueron un tema de su gobierno en Minas Gerais, pero usted enfrentó mucha resistencia en la Asamblea Legislativa.",4127.48,4135.2,{"idx":4866,"utterance_id":4867,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4868,"start_s":4869,"end_s":4870,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},747,"194949","Hubo privatizaciones que usted intentó ya en el primer mandato y que solo pudo avanzar en el segundo mandato.",4135.42,4141.38,{"idx":4872,"utterance_id":4873,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4874,"start_s":4875,"end_s":4876,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},748,"194950","Aquí en Brasilia, con seguridad, si usted llega a ser presidente de la República, no será diferente.",4141.42,4146.64,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":4878,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4879,"start_s":4880,"end_s":4881,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},"194951","Sabemos que para... llevar a cabo una privatización así, usted va a necesitar negociar con el Centrão.",4146.94,4151.9,{"idx":4883,"utterance_id":4884,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4885,"start_s":4886,"end_s":4887,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},750,"194952","¿Hasta dónde está usted dispuesto a negociar con el Centrão para que esas privatizaciones que usted prometa, en caso de que lleguemos a la presidencia, se concreten?",4152.36,4159.4,{"idx":4889,"utterance_id":4890,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4891,"start_s":4892,"end_s":4893,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},751,"194953","Gracias, Gustavo.",4162.06,4163.44,{"idx":4895,"utterance_id":4896,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4897,"start_s":4898,"end_s":4899,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":4900,"topic_label":4901,"target_id":4902,"target_proposition":4903,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":4904,"indexable":74},752,"194954","Bueno, Gustavo, yo creo en las privatizaciones.",4164.88,4169.82,"privatizacao-e-concessoes","Privatización y Concesiones","0ef069a9-6c61-4827-be39-c9d89552510c","privatizar empresas y servicios públicos","declara explícitamente 'eu acredito em privatizações'.",{"idx":4906,"utterance_id":4907,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4908,"start_s":4909,"end_s":4910,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":4900,"topic_label":4901,"target_id":4902,"target_proposition":4903,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":4911,"indexable":702},753,"194955","Primero, la Copasa fue privatizada, hace aproximadamente entre 90 y 120 días.",4170.58,4177.12,"informa que Copasa fue privatizada recientemente.",{"idx":4913,"utterance_id":4914,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4915,"start_s":4916,"end_s":4917,"word_count":212,"indexable":74},754,"194956","Entonces, podemos decir que la Copasa, que aún opera hoy, es una Copasa que durante el 99,9% de su tiempo de existencia fue una empresa estatal.",4177.14,4189.68,{"idx":4919,"utterance_id":4920,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4921,"start_s":4922,"end_s":4923,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":4900,"topic_label":4901,"target_id":4902,"target_proposition":4903,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":808,"rationale":4924,"indexable":702},755,"194957","Puedo decir que en mi gestión todos los indicadores de calidad mejoraron, pero ¿quién era, Gustavo, el accionista controlador de la Copasa?",4190.9,4203.3,"reivindica la mejora de indicadores en su gestión posprivatización.",{"idx":4926,"utterance_id":4927,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4928,"start_s":4929,"end_s":4930,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},756,"194958","Un Estado que ni siquiera tenía recursos cuando asumí para pagar la nómina.",4203.54,4210.22,{"idx":4932,"utterance_id":4933,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4934,"start_s":4935,"end_s":4936,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},757,"194959","Ese Estado nunca iba a tener recursos para aportar capital en la empresa que necesita universalizar el saneamiento en el Estado de Minas.",4210.92,4222.88,{"idx":4938,"utterance_id":4939,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4940,"start_s":4941,"end_s":4942,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},758,"194960","Y el nuevo controlador ahora tiene el compromiso de llevar a cabo esa universalización.",4224.04,4232.72,{"idx":4944,"utterance_id":4945,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4946,"start_s":4947,"end_s":4948,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":4900,"topic_label":4901,"target_id":4902,"target_proposition":4903,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":4949,"indexable":702},759,"194961","El proceso se llevó a cabo con la máxima transparencia posible.",4233.6,4238.64,"defiende un proceso hecho con transparencia y aprobación de los órganos.",{"idx":4951,"utterance_id":4952,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4953,"start_s":4954,"end_s":4955,"word_count":250,"topic_slug":4956,"topic_label":4957,"target_id":4958,"target_proposition":4959,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":4960,"indexable":702},760,"194962","Aprobado por el Tribunal de Cuentas del Estado, por los diputados que lo siguieron, y estoy seguro de que la Copasa, ahora privatizada, avanzará mucho más en materia de saneamiento básico en el Estado.",4239.18,4257.64,"saneamento","Saneamiento","7c32bd92-03d1-4b5f-8965-1315e2404c12","privatizar la Sabesp","afirma que Copasa privatizada avanzará en el saneamiento.",{"idx":4962,"utterance_id":4963,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4964,"start_s":4965,"end_s":4966,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},761,"194963","Y se lo digo por un motivo muy simple, que comenté con Vilela hace un momento.",4258.42,4263.26,{"idx":4968,"utterance_id":4969,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4970,"start_s":4971,"end_s":4972,"word_count":149,"topic_slug":4956,"topic_label":4957,"target_id":4958,"target_proposition":4959,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":4973,"indexable":702},762,"194964","La Copasa estatal... para hacer una obra simple, a veces tardaba dos años.",4264.16,4270.16,"compara la lentitud de las obras bajo gestión estatal frente a la privada.",{"idx":4975,"utterance_id":4976,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4977,"start_s":4978,"end_s":4979,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":4900,"topic_label":4901,"target_id":4902,"target_proposition":4903,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":808,"rationale":4980,"indexable":702},763,"194965","La Copasa, ahora privada, tal vez la haga en menos de seis meses.",4271.1,4275.84,"afirma que la empresa privada hará obras más rápido que la estatal.",{"idx":4982,"utterance_id":4983,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4984,"start_s":4985,"end_s":4986,"word_count":201,"indexable":74},764,"194966","Porque una estatal, ya sabe, quien nos está siguiendo aquí quizá no lo sepa, tiene que hacer una licitación, publicar un pliego, eso demora.",4276.64,4289.82,{"idx":4988,"utterance_id":4989,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4990,"start_s":4991,"end_s":4992,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},765,"194967","El que gana muchas veces es impugnado porque no cumple todos los requisitos previos.",4290.82,4297.72,{"idx":4994,"utterance_id":4995,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":4996,"start_s":4997,"end_s":4998,"word_count":244,"indexable":74},766,"194968","El que queda en segundo lugar va a la justicia alegando que el primero no puede porque no cumple tal criterio y lo que debería ser una obra se convierte en una guerra judicial.",4298.14,4311.94,{"idx":5000,"utterance_id":5001,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5002,"start_s":5003,"end_s":5004,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},767,"194969","Y eso pasa con Petrobras.",4312.92,4315.12,{"idx":5006,"utterance_id":5007,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5008,"start_s":5009,"end_s":5010,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},768,"194970","Eso todavía ocurre con la CEMIG, ocurre en todas las empresas estatales de Brasil.",4315.76,4320.34,{"idx":5012,"utterance_id":5013,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5014,"start_s":5015,"end_s":5016,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":4900,"topic_label":4901,"target_id":4902,"target_proposition":4903,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":5017,"indexable":702},769,"194971","Digo que cuando se tiene gestión privada se dispone de esa agilidad que la estatal no puede tener, incluso por una cuestión de compliance y control.",4320.62,4332.06,"argumenta que la gestión privada aporta la agilidad que la estatal no tiene.",{"idx":5019,"utterance_id":5020,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5021,"start_s":5022,"end_s":5023,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},770,"194972","Y nosotros, los brasileños, estamos en una transición que no lleva tanto tiempo.",4333.32,4338.5,{"idx":5025,"utterance_id":5026,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5027,"start_s":5028,"end_s":5029,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},771,"194973","Las operadoras de telefonía móvil.",4338.84,4341.46,{"idx":5031,"utterance_id":5032,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5033,"start_s":5034,"end_s":5035,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},772,"194974","Creo que nadie echa de menos la época en la que eran estatales.",4342.02,4345.08,{"idx":5037,"utterance_id":5038,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5039,"start_s":5040,"end_s":5041,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},773,"194975","Hoy todo el mundo tiene acceso a ese servicio.",4345.7,4349.2,{"idx":5043,"utterance_id":5044,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5045,"start_s":5046,"end_s":5047,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":5048,"topic_label":5049,"target_id":5050,"target_proposition":5051,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":5052,"indexable":702},774,"194976","Y lo que quiero es aumentar la competencia.",4349.78,4353.36,"concorrencia-e-oligopolio","Competencia y oligopolio","a9a8b12a-3837-43c6-a788-f94029f15982","aumentar la competencia en los sectores privatizados","declara 'o que eu quero é aumentar a concorrência'.",{"idx":5054,"utterance_id":5055,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5056,"start_s":5057,"end_s":5058,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":4900,"topic_label":4901,"target_id":4902,"target_proposition":4903,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":5059,"indexable":702},775,"194977","No voy a vender Petrobras en un solo bloque.",4353.68,4356.96,"afirma que no venderá a Petrobras en bloque, indicando privatizar por partes.",{"idx":5061,"utterance_id":5062,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5063,"start_s":5064,"end_s":5065,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":4900,"topic_label":4901,"target_id":4902,"target_proposition":4903,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":5066,"indexable":702},776,"194978","Voy a dividirla, cada refinería será una empresa, incluso para aumentar la competencia.",4357.58,4364.14,"propone 'fatiar' a Petrobras para vender por refinería.",{"idx":5068,"utterance_id":5069,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5070,"start_s":5071,"end_s":5072,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":5048,"topic_label":5049,"target_id":5050,"target_proposition":5051,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":836,"rationale":5073,"indexable":74},777,"194979","Es la competencia la que hace bajar el precio.",4364.64,4368.72,"Afirma que 'concorrência faz o preço cair'.",{"idx":5075,"utterance_id":5076,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5077,"start_s":5078,"end_s":5079,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},778,"194980","Y hoy tenemos un gobierno federal gastón.",4369.62,4372.66,{"idx":5081,"utterance_id":5082,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5083,"start_s":5084,"end_s":5085,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},779,"194981","Lo último... Lo que puede hacer es invertir en las estatales.",4373.34,4378.58,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":5087,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5088,"start_s":5089,"end_s":5090,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},"194982","Al contrario, están sangrando, enviando recursos a ese gobierno Gastão.",4378.68,4384.68,{"idx":5092,"utterance_id":5093,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5094,"start_s":5095,"end_s":5096,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},781,"194983","Los brasileños, a quienes los políticos dicen que son los dueños de esas estatales, nunca recibieron ningún beneficio.",4385.4,4394.08,{"idx":5098,"utterance_id":5099,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5100,"start_s":5101,"end_s":5102,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},782,"194984","Ahora bien, los políticos, esos sí han lucrado mucho.",4394.78,4398.96,{"idx":5104,"utterance_id":5105,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5106,"start_s":5107,"end_s":5108,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},783,"194985","Tuvimos el Petrolão.",4399.48,4400.74,{"idx":5110,"utterance_id":5111,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5112,"start_s":5113,"end_s":5114,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},784,"194986","Estamos ahora con el Banco Master.",4401.42,4403.36,{"idx":5116,"utterance_id":5117,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5118,"start_s":5119,"end_s":5120,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},785,"194987","¿Quién ganó dinero allí en el BRB?",4403.46,4405.42,{"idx":5122,"utterance_id":5123,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5124,"start_s":5125,"end_s":5126,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},786,"194988","Fue alguien que era empleado del banco estatal.",4405.5,4409.28,{"idx":5128,"utterance_id":5129,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5130,"start_s":5131,"end_s":5132,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},787,"194989","¿Hubo algún ente privado que se involucró con el Master?",4409.98,4414.54,{"idx":5134,"utterance_id":5135,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5136,"start_s":5137,"end_s":5138,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},788,"194990","No hubo.",4415.42,4416.06,{"idx":5140,"utterance_id":5141,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5142,"start_s":5143,"end_s":5144,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},789,"194991","Sí hubo fondos de pensiones estatales y un banco estatal.",4416.6,4422.82,{"idx":5146,"utterance_id":5147,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5148,"start_s":5149,"end_s":5150,"word_count":26,"indexable":74},790,"194992","Que dio solo esos fondos y el banco, con una pérdida de entre 15 y 18 mil millones de reales, sin contar el fondo garante de crédito.",4423.28,4434.22,{"idx":5152,"utterance_id":5153,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5154,"start_s":5155,"end_s":5156,"word_count":149,"topic_slug":4900,"topic_label":4901,"target_id":4902,"target_proposition":4903,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":718,"rationale":5157,"indexable":702},791,"194993","Y en mi gestión en Minas, vendí participaciones y privaticé 118 empresas.",4434.82,4443.68,"Reivindica haber privatizado 118 empresas durante su gestión.",{"idx":5159,"utterance_id":5160,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5161,"start_s":5162,"end_s":5163,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},792,"194994","A medida que avanzó el gobierno, fuimos vendiendo las participaciones; este año privatizamos la Copasa y quedó fuera solamente la compañía de energía, que estoy seguro también será cuestión de tiempo.",4444.32,4460.88,{"idx":5165,"utterance_id":5166,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5167,"start_s":5168,"end_s":5169,"word_count":184,"topic_slug":4900,"topic_label":4901,"target_id":4902,"target_proposition":4903,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":5170,"rationale":5171,"indexable":702},793,"194995","Cuando la privatización está bien hecha, el que gana es el consumidor, porque una empresa privada tiene muchísima más agilidad.",4461.26,4471.28,0.84,"Defiende que una privatización bien hecha beneficia al consumidor.",{"idx":5173,"utterance_id":5174,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5175,"start_s":5176,"end_s":5177,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},794,"194996","Y los problemas que ocurren... que ocasionalmente sirven de alerta.",4471.7,4476.08,{"idx":5179,"utterance_id":5180,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5181,"start_s":5182,"end_s":5183,"word_count":161,"topic_slug":5184,"topic_label":5185,"target_id":5186,"target_proposition":5187,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":5188,"indexable":702},795,"194997","En mi opinión, esas empresas sí deben ser multadas si han bajado el nivel de servicio",4476.42,4483.44,"reforma-do-servico-publico","Reforma del servicio público","cac574a5-1bcf-4196-b188-384533127404","aplicar multas y revocar concesiones a empresas que no cumplen niveles de servicio","Defiende multar e incluso perder la concesión si el nivel de servicio baja.",{"idx":5190,"utterance_id":5191,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5192,"start_s":5193,"end_s":5194,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},796,"194998","por debajo de lo que debería, o incluso perder la concesión.",4483.82,4487.52,{"idx":5196,"utterance_id":5197,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5198,"start_s":5199,"end_s":5200,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},797,"194999","Ahora bien, cuando es el Estado el que presta el servicio, nunca vi una estatal perder la concesión.",4487.94,4493.66,{"idx":5202,"utterance_id":5203,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5204,"start_s":5205,"end_s":5206,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},798,"195000","Pero cuando es privado, usted puede ir y decir: ya no es usted, porque su servicio es muy malo.",4494.04,4499.28,{"idx":5208,"utterance_id":5209,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5210,"start_s":5211,"end_s":5212,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":4900,"topic_label":4901,"target_id":4902,"target_proposition":4903,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":5213,"indexable":74},799,"195001","Entonces, eso es lo que Brasil necesita.",4499.5,4501.26,"Resume que la demanda de Brasil es por privatizaciones y eficiencia.",{"idx":5215,"utterance_id":5216,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5217,"start_s":5218,"end_s":5219,"word_count":290,"indexable":74},800,"195002","Tenemos un gobierno que no tiene dinero para dar un buen servicio en salud, un gobierno que no tiene dinero... ¿Para arreglar las carreteras, este gobierno va a tener dinero para invertir en esas empresas que requieren miles de millones de inversión?",4501.58,4517.12,{"idx":5221,"utterance_id":5222,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5223,"start_s":5224,"end_s":5225,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},801,"195003","No lo tendrá.",4517.2,4517.56,{"idx":5227,"utterance_id":5228,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5229,"start_s":5230,"end_s":5231,"word_count":244,"indexable":74},802,"195004","Gobernador, solo la cuestión, creo que la segunda pregunta, la cuestión es que usted dice que planea privatizar Petrobras, los Correios, una serie de grandes empresas a nivel federal.",4517.58,4534.9,{"idx":5233,"utterance_id":5234,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5235,"start_s":5236,"end_s":5237,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},803,"195005","Pero para eso usted necesita la aprobación del Congreso Nacional.",4535.16,4537.74,{"idx":5239,"utterance_id":5240,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5241,"start_s":5242,"end_s":5243,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},804,"195006","La pregunta era hasta dónde está usted dispuesto a negociar con el Centrão.",4537.78,4540.96,{"idx":5245,"utterance_id":5246,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5247,"start_s":5248,"end_s":5249,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},805,"195007","¿Usted va a ceder ministerios, ceder cargos para que el Centrão entre en su gobierno y así obtenga el apoyo necesario del Congreso Nacional para que esas privatizaciones se lleven a cabo?",4541.1,4551.02,{"idx":5251,"utterance_id":5252,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5253,"start_s":5254,"end_s":5255,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},806,"195008","Perfecto, Gustavo.",4552.84,4553.84,{"idx":5257,"utterance_id":5258,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5259,"start_s":5260,"end_s":5261,"word_count":190,"topic_slug":5262,"topic_label":5263,"target_id":5264,"target_proposition":5265,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":718,"rationale":5266,"indexable":702},807,"195009","Gustavo, como gobernador de Minas, goberné junto con diversos partidos políticos sin renunciar a valores republicanos ni a mis principios.",4554.36,4570.02,"governanca-politica","Gobernanza política","cdfaf8a4-1f8c-4470-b367-f59ba2c18a8c","componer el gobierno con criterios de integridad y alineamiento programático","Acepta partidos aliados siempre que los nombres sean competentes y selectos.",{"idx":5268,"utterance_id":5269,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5270,"start_s":5271,"end_s":5272,"word_count":32,"indexable":74},808,"195010","Si algún partido político camina conmigo y tiene nombres competentes, esos nombres serán muy bienvenidos, pasarán por un proceso selectivo y lo anuncio desde ya, como lo hice siendo gobernador.",4571.44,4588.28,{"idx":5274,"utterance_id":5275,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5276,"start_s":5277,"end_s":5278,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},809,"195011","Quiero gente competente en mi gobierno, gente del área.",4588.76,4593,{"idx":5280,"utterance_id":5281,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5282,"start_s":5283,"end_s":5284,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},810,"195012","Muchas veces alguien que está en la política tiene ese bagaje.",4593.38,4597.58,{"idx":5286,"utterance_id":5287,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5288,"start_s":5289,"end_s":5290,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},811,"195013","Lo vi allí en Minas.",4597.86,4599.06,{"idx":5292,"utterance_id":5293,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5294,"start_s":5295,"end_s":5296,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},812,"195014","Ahora bien, si no tiene buen desempeño o si hace algo mal... eso para mí es inadmisible.",4599.26,4608.1,{"idx":5298,"utterance_id":5299,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5300,"start_s":5301,"end_s":5302,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},813,"195015","Es una cuestión de que usted lo lleve por ese lado.",4608.56,4611.98,{"idx":5304,"utterance_id":5305,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5306,"start_s":5307,"end_s":5308,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},814,"195016","Ahora bien, lo que tenemos hoy en Brasilia me parece que es diferente.",4612.2,4615.9,{"idx":5310,"utterance_id":5311,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5312,"start_s":5313,"end_s":5314,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},815,"195017","Es un reparto.",4616.3,4617.36,{"idx":5316,"utterance_id":5317,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5318,"start_s":5319,"end_s":5320,"word_count":155,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":5321,"target_proposition":5322,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":836,"rationale":5323,"indexable":702},816,"195018","Este ministerio es suyo y usted hará aquí lo que usted considere.",4617.5,4622.6,"d859b84c-9360-496b-b883-5db666c19de6","instituir indicadores de desempeño y rendición de cuentas periódica en los ministerios","Declara que los secretarios se reunían cada 15 días para rendir cuentas.",{"idx":5325,"utterance_id":5326,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5327,"start_s":5328,"end_s":5329,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},817,"195019","Conmigo no fue así.",4623.02,4624.2,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":5331,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5332,"start_s":5333,"end_s":5334,"word_count":26,"indexable":74},"195020","El secretario se reunía conmigo al menos cada 15 días para rendir cuentas de todo lo que ocurría en su cartera.",4625.44,4634.3,{"idx":5336,"utterance_id":5337,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5338,"start_s":5339,"end_s":5340,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},819,"195021","Entonces, eso para mí no es reparto, no es el toma y daca que ha prevalecido en Brasil.",4634.88,4641.66,{"idx":5342,"utterance_id":5343,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5344,"start_s":5345,"end_s":5346,"word_count":325,"topic_slug":5262,"topic_label":5263,"target_id":5347,"target_proposition":5348,"stance":1302,"stance_confidence":5349,"rationale":5350,"indexable":702},820,"195022","Y un presidente electo con 60 millones de votos llega allí con peso político para hacer muchos cambios, sobre todo si tiene un historial de haber arreglado un Estado que fue arruinado por el PT, que es lo mismo que está ocurriendo hoy en Brasilia.",4642.12,4660.84,"545c5dee-d705-40f3-946b-52c2716e66a6","combatir reparto de cargos y nepotismo",0.87,"Niega la práctica afirmando 'para mim não é loteamento' y repudia el toma-lá-dá-cá.",{"idx":5352,"utterance_id":5353,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5354,"start_s":5355,"end_s":5356,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},821,"195023","Camila?",4661.38,4661.74,{"idx":5358,"utterance_id":5359,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5360,"start_s":5361,"end_s":5362,"word_count":301,"indexable":74},822,"195024","Gobernador, en realidad quería tratar ahora un tema del que usted mismo ya habló, la cuestión de las apuestas, porque el gobierno federal está estudiando una medida para aplicar, tal vez esa medida antes de las elecciones, una medida contraria a las apuestas.",4664.8,4679.06,{"idx":5364,"utterance_id":5365,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5366,"start_s":5367,"end_s":5368,"word_count":54,"indexable":74},823,"195025","Aún no hay nada definido, entonces todavía se está diseñando si esto irá dirigido a la publicidad, principalmente, o si también abordará algún tipo de restricción.",4679.52,4690.48,{"idx":5370,"utterance_id":5371,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5372,"start_s":5373,"end_s":5374,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},824,"195026","a estas apuestas y juegos, principalmente como el Tigrinho, esos casinos online.",4691.02,4695.8,{"idx":5376,"utterance_id":5377,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5378,"start_s":5379,"end_s":5380,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},825,"195027","Usted ya dijo que su primera medida sería restringir las apuestas.",4697,4701.86,{"idx":5382,"utterance_id":5383,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5384,"start_s":5385,"end_s":5386,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},826,"195028","¿Cómo ve usted esta iniciativa del gobierno?",4702.5,4705.14,{"idx":5388,"utterance_id":5389,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5390,"start_s":5391,"end_s":5392,"word_count":212,"indexable":74},827,"195029","Y, además, pensando que es una medida que se está diseñando, ¿cuál es el formato ideal, en su opinión, para combatir este problema?",4705.52,4713.94,{"idx":5394,"utterance_id":5395,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5354,"start_s":5396,"end_s":5397,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},828,"195030",4716.02,4716.52,{"idx":5399,"utterance_id":5400,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5401,"start_s":5402,"end_s":5403,"word_count":155,"topic_slug":5404,"topic_label":5405,"target_id":5406,"target_proposition":5407,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":3077,"rationale":5408,"indexable":702},829,"195031","Mi opinión es que debemos acabar con las apuestas cuanto antes.",4717.52,4723,"jogos-de-aposta","Juegos de Apuesta","7cf65ea5-d059-48cc-830d-1278148e1d2d","prohibir juegos de apuestas","Declara 'precisamos acabar com as betes o quanto antes' explícitamente.",{"idx":5410,"utterance_id":5411,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5412,"start_s":5413,"end_s":5414,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},830,"195032","Varios países ya han hecho eso.",4723.66,4726.1,{"idx":5416,"utterance_id":5417,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5418,"start_s":5419,"end_s":5420,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},831,"195033","Esto es casi como una cocaína digital.",4727.02,4729.72,{"idx":5422,"utterance_id":5423,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5424,"start_s":5425,"end_s":5426,"word_count":244,"indexable":74},832,"195034","Me reuní con madres, con personas que están teniendo ese tipo de problema, y el algoritmo, la estructura del jueguito fue hecha para dejar a la persona realmente adicta.",4730.72,4745.9,{"idx":5428,"utterance_id":5429,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5430,"start_s":5431,"end_s":5432,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},833,"195035","Alguien que está a punto de rendirse, el algoritmo lo percibe y manda no sé cuántos reales para que la persona siga jugando.",4746.76,4755,{"idx":5434,"utterance_id":5435,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5436,"start_s":5437,"end_s":5438,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},834,"195036","Esto es un terror para nuestra sociedad.",4755.84,4758.92,{"idx":5440,"utterance_id":5441,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5442,"start_s":5443,"end_s":5444,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},835,"195037","Hoy tenemos un endeudamiento récord de las familias brasileñas.",4759.48,4765.04,{"idx":5446,"utterance_id":5447,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5448,"start_s":5449,"end_s":5450,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},836,"195038","Mucho lo atribuyo a las apuestas.",4765.8,4768.12,{"idx":5452,"utterance_id":5453,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5454,"start_s":5455,"end_s":5456,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},837,"195039","Siempre fui un gestor de fábrica.",4768.84,4771.72,{"idx":5458,"utterance_id":5459,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5460,"start_s":5461,"end_s":5462,"word_count":212,"indexable":74},838,"195040","Siempre salí a las calles para hablar con clientes, cuando empresario y como gobernador, para hablar con todo el mundo y saber cómo están las cosas.",4772.3,4782.14,{"idx":5464,"utterance_id":5465,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5466,"start_s":5467,"end_s":5468,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},839,"195041","Y lo he visto, ya hablé con personas que me lo contaron.",4783.14,4786.56,{"idx":5470,"utterance_id":5471,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5472,"start_s":5473,"end_s":5474,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},840,"195042","Conocí a una vecina mía que dejó faltar comida para los bebés para poder seguir apostando.",4787.9,4796.32,{"idx":5476,"utterance_id":5477,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5478,"start_s":5479,"end_s":5480,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},841,"195043","Este es el país en el que estamos hoy.",4796.92,4799.12,{"idx":5482,"utterance_id":5483,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5484,"start_s":5485,"end_s":5486,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},842,"195044","Y un gobierno que sólo piensa en recaudar, en aumentar impuestos.",4799.86,4804.84,{"idx":5488,"utterance_id":5489,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5490,"start_s":5491,"end_s":5492,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},843,"195045","Y no conozco una política pública para tratar a estos dependientes del juego.",4805.28,4812.02,{"idx":5494,"utterance_id":5495,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5496,"start_s":5497,"end_s":5498,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},844,"195046","¿Es ludópatas?",4812.4,4813.44,{"idx":5500,"utterance_id":5501,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5502,"start_s":5503,"end_s":5504,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},845,"195047","Olvidé el nombre.",4814.98,4815.98,{"idx":5506,"utterance_id":5507,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5508,"start_s":5509,"end_s":5510,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},846,"195048","¿Es ludo algo?",4816.04,4817.22,{"idx":5512,"utterance_id":5513,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5514,"start_s":5515,"end_s":5516,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},847,"195049","Es ludopatía.",4817.5,4818.38,{"idx":5518,"utterance_id":5519,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5520,"start_s":5521,"end_s":5522,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},848,"195050","Ludopatía.",4818.68,4819.48,{"idx":5524,"utterance_id":5525,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5526,"start_s":5527,"end_s":5528,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},849,"195051","Gracias.",4819.68,4820.16,{"idx":5530,"utterance_id":5531,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5532,"start_s":5533,"end_s":5534,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},850,"195052","Ahora, gobernador, hablando específicamente de la medida, usted que ha dicho que desconoce una medida para poder combatir ese problema de la adicción a los juegos, ¿pero es cierto que el gobierno ha estudiado esa medida?",4820.18,4833.5,{"idx":5536,"utterance_id":5537,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5538,"start_s":5539,"end_s":5540,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},851,"195053","¿Cómo lo afronta usted?",4833.66,4835.22,{"idx":5542,"utterance_id":5543,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5544,"start_s":5545,"end_s":5546,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},852,"195054","¿Cree usted que lo ideal, si esa es la intención del gobierno, es aplicar esto antes de las elecciones?",4835.28,4840.86,{"idx":5548,"utterance_id":5549,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5550,"start_s":5551,"end_s":5552,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},853,"195055","¿Cree usted que una medida provisional sería positiva, pensando que un próximo gobierno heredaría esa medida y tendría que intentar aprobarla en el Congreso Nacional?",4841.36,4852.86,{"idx":5554,"utterance_id":5555,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5556,"start_s":5557,"end_s":5558,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},854,"195056","¿Lo ideal sería judicializar la cuestión o presentar un proyecto de ley para que se debata de forma concreta?",4853.28,4859.42,{"idx":5560,"utterance_id":5561,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5562,"start_s":5563,"end_s":5564,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},855,"195057","¿Y también cuáles serían las medidas?",4859.46,4860.76,{"idx":5566,"utterance_id":5567,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5568,"start_s":5569,"end_s":5570,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},856,"195058","¿Restringir la publicidad, restringir las propias plataformas?",4861.3,4864.3,{"idx":5572,"utterance_id":5573,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5574,"start_s":5575,"end_s":5576,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},857,"195059","¿Cómo lo ve usted en ese sentido más concreto?",4865.02,4867.5,{"idx":5578,"utterance_id":5579,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5580,"start_s":5581,"end_s":5582,"word_count":155,"topic_slug":5404,"topic_label":5405,"target_id":5406,"target_proposition":5407,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":3077,"rationale":5583,"indexable":702},858,"195060","Yo, como presidente, haría la medida provisional el primer día, como ya dije.",4869.2,4875.42,"Propone editar una medida provisional el primer día para cortar ese problema.",{"idx":5585,"utterance_id":5586,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5587,"start_s":5588,"end_s":5589,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},859,"195061","Y, al menos, se corta el mal de raíz.",4876.34,4879.34,{"idx":5591,"utterance_id":5592,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5593,"start_s":5594,"end_s":5595,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},860,"195062","Y luego se ve cómo conducir la votación, etc.",4879.64,4883.82,{"idx":5597,"utterance_id":5598,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5599,"start_s":5600,"end_s":5601,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},861,"195063","Pero, al menos... Ya se da un gran alivio a millones de brasileños que se están volviendo adictos, dependientes.",4884.68,4894.26,{"idx":5603,"utterance_id":5604,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5605,"start_s":5606,"end_s":5607,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":5404,"topic_label":5405,"target_id":5406,"target_proposition":5407,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":5608,"indexable":702},862,"195064","Y, una vez más, este gobierno fue quien aprobó las apuestas.",4894.74,4898.54,"Critica al gobierno por haber aprobado las bets y defiende su prohibición.",{"idx":5610,"utterance_id":5611,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5612,"start_s":5613,"end_s":5614,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},863,"195065","Este gobierno tiene la culpa.",4899.14,4901.64,{"idx":5616,"utterance_id":5617,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5618,"start_s":5619,"end_s":5620,"word_count":361,"indexable":74},864,"195066","Hoy... Quien está dependiente, quien está gastando el dinero que tiene y que no tiene, es por culpa de este gobierno irresponsable, que además de subir impuestos, ha hecho este tipo de... ni sé cómo clasificarlo, una acción contra la sociedad, que es casi como distribuir droga mientras él está ganando.",4902.1,4926.06,{"idx":5622,"utterance_id":5623,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5624,"start_s":5625,"end_s":5626,"word_count":319,"indexable":74},865,"195067","Y aquí queda mi repudio también a los influencers, que han ganado millones de reales, dicen que tienen empresas de apuestas, que cuanto más alguien juega y pierde, más gana el influencer, que el algoritmo dice... Tiene una ganancia sobre sus pérdidas.",4926.56,4946.04,{"idx":5628,"utterance_id":5629,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5630,"start_s":5631,"end_s":5632,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},866,"195068","Es, es ganar a costa de la desgracia ajena.",4946.22,4948.94,{"idx":5634,"utterance_id":5635,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5636,"start_s":5637,"end_s":5638,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},867,"195069","Eso es inadmisible.",4949.1,4950.24,{"idx":5640,"utterance_id":5641,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5642,"start_s":5643,"end_s":5644,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},868,"195070","Es el plantador de cocaína.",4950.64,4952.92,{"idx":5646,"utterance_id":5647,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5648,"start_s":5649,"end_s":5650,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},869,"195071","Él está ganando ríos de dinero y el otro, en la desgracia, pagando por ello.",4952.94,4958.22,{"idx":5652,"utterance_id":5653,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5654,"start_s":5655,"end_s":5656,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},870,"195072","Gobernador, candidato Zema.",4961.68,4964.1,{"idx":5658,"utterance_id":5659,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5660,"start_s":5661,"end_s":5662,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},871,"195073","Estuvo tanto tiempo en el gobierno que ya nos acostumbramos a llamarlo gobernador.",4964.94,4967.74,{"idx":5664,"utterance_id":5665,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5666,"start_s":5667,"end_s":5668,"word_count":313,"indexable":74},872,"195074","Quería decir que siempre que usted da una entrevista, siempre que participa en una audiencia, se le pregunta sobre el programa Bolsa Família, y usted defiende mucho la cuestión de la puerta de salida del Bolsa Família.",4969.3,4980.44,{"idx":5670,"utterance_id":5671,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5672,"start_s":5673,"end_s":5674,"word_count":54,"indexable":74},873,"195075","Quería hablar de este tema, pero aplicando otra lógica, otro tipo de beneficio, que son los beneficios fiscales que concede el gobierno federal a diversas empresas.",4980.86,4990.04,{"idx":5676,"utterance_id":5677,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5678,"start_s":5679,"end_s":5680,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},874,"195076","Hoy tenemos cerca de R$ 540 mil millones en beneficios fiscales para empresas.",4990.38,4995.56,{"idx":5682,"utterance_id":5683,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5684,"start_s":5685,"end_s":5686,"word_count":26,"indexable":74},875,"195077","Y durante su gobierno, en Minas Gerais, también hubo diversos beneficios fiscales, como, por ejemplo, créditos presumidos, regímenes especiales, el programa Refis.",4995.94,5005.3,{"idx":5688,"utterance_id":5689,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5690,"start_s":5691,"end_s":5692,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},876,"195078","Y hasta hubo aquel caso de Eletrozema, que recibió descuentos del orden de 2,2 millones.",5005.84,5011.5,{"idx":5694,"utterance_id":5695,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5696,"start_s":5697,"end_s":5698,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},877,"195079","Empresa de su familia allí, descuentos en el ICMS.",5011.84,5016.58,{"idx":5700,"utterance_id":5701,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5702,"start_s":5703,"end_s":5704,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},878,"195080","Quisiera preguntarle cómo, en un eventual gobierno de Zema, será esta cuestión de los beneficios fiscales.",5017.48,5022.98,{"idx":5706,"utterance_id":5707,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5708,"start_s":5709,"end_s":5710,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},879,"195081","Nuevamente, repito, R$ 540 mil millones en beneficios fiscales.",5023.14,5027.68,{"idx":5712,"utterance_id":5713,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5714,"start_s":5715,"end_s":5716,"word_count":26,"indexable":74},880,"195082","¿Tendremos una puerta de salida para esos empresarios que hoy solo sobreviven sin productividad gracias al beneficio fiscal del gobierno?",5028.04,5037.24,{"idx":5718,"utterance_id":5719,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5720,"start_s":5721,"end_s":5722,"word_count":26,"indexable":74},881,"195083","¿O tendremos al pobre saliendo del Bolsa Família cuando mejora su situación, pero empresarios mamando del gobierno sin fin?",5037.58,5046.6,{"idx":5724,"utterance_id":5725,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5726,"start_s":5727,"end_s":5728,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},882,"195084","Gustavo... Excelente pregunta.",5046.62,5048.82,{"idx":5730,"utterance_id":5731,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5732,"start_s":5733,"end_s":5734,"word_count":155,"topic_slug":5735,"topic_label":5736,"target_id":5737,"target_proposition":5738,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":5739,"indexable":702},883,"195085","Primero, todos los beneficios del Estado de Minas que goberné son para sectores.",5050.18,5056.62,"politica-fiscal-e-social","Política Fiscal y Social","87c586f1-80bf-4096-8583-585d11ef2f7d","conceder incentivos fiscales temporales con cronograma de reducción","Defiende que los beneficios del Estado de Minas eran sectoriales y atrajeron inversiones.",{"idx":5741,"utterance_id":5742,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5743,"start_s":5744,"end_s":5745,"word_count":201,"indexable":74},884,"195086","Si la empresa que yo administré, de la que soy socio, tuvo algún beneficio, cientos de otras que operan en la misma actividad también lo tuvieron.",5057.84,5066.66,{"idx":5747,"utterance_id":5748,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5749,"start_s":5750,"end_s":5751,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},885,"195087","Si usted quiere establecerse allí, tendrá el mismo beneficio.",5067.16,5070.88,{"idx":5753,"utterance_id":5754,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5755,"start_s":5756,"end_s":5757,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},886,"195088","Entonces, es un beneficio que el Estado de Minas concede a empresas de comercio electrónico.",5071.6,5076.84,{"idx":5759,"utterance_id":5760,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5761,"start_s":5762,"end_s":5763,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":5735,"topic_label":5736,"target_id":5737,"target_proposition":5738,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":5764,"indexable":702},887,"195089","Y eso atrajo muchas inversiones al Estado.",5076.86,5081.32,"Afirma que los beneficios atrajeron muchas inversiones al estado.",{"idx":5766,"utterance_id":5767,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5768,"start_s":5769,"end_s":5770,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":5771,"target_proposition":5772,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":5773,"indexable":74},888,"195090","Y hizo, Gustavo, que la recaudación aumentara.",5082.08,5085.2,"ebaea3ea-b774-45e1-b0d8-0dceb8ed215d","aumentar los ingresos públicos sin elevar impuestos y reducir gastos","Relata que la recaudación subió sin proponer acción explícita.",{"idx":5775,"utterance_id":5776,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5777,"start_s":5778,"end_s":5779,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},889,"195091","Voy a dar un ejemplo aquí.",5086.32,5087.58,{"idx":5781,"utterance_id":5782,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5783,"start_s":5784,"end_s":5785,"word_count":149,"topic_slug":2056,"topic_label":2057,"target_id":5786,"target_proposition":5787,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":5788,"indexable":702},890,"195092","Durante mi gestión, implantamos allí diversas fábricas de cerveza en Minas.",5087.7,5094.34,"9d0c0c21-35cc-45e9-a0ec-06b1380d2502","atraer inversiones industriales para Brasil","Reivindica acción del propio gobierno: 'implantamos diversas fábricas'.",{"idx":5790,"utterance_id":5791,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5792,"start_s":5793,"end_s":5794,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5797,"target_proposition":5798,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":5799,"indexable":74},891,"195093","Esas fábricas tienen el incentivo que ya existía.",5096.48,5099.74,"privilegios-fiscais","Privilegios fiscales","67c9c2db-ace3-4ecf-b79d-e823ca7a2cb5","conceder incentivos fiscales para atraer industrias","Afirma que esas fábricas tienen incentivos que ya existían (descripción).",{"idx":5801,"utterance_id":5802,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5803,"start_s":5804,"end_s":5805,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},892,"195094","Otro punto importantísimo aquí.",5099.84,5101.4,{"idx":5807,"utterance_id":5808,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5809,"start_s":5810,"end_s":5811,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5797,"target_proposition":5798,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":5812,"indexable":74},893,"195095","Todo incentivo ya existía antes de que yo asumiera.",5101.72,5105.04,"Afirma que los incentivos ya existían antes de su gestión (relato).",{"idx":5814,"utterance_id":5815,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5816,"start_s":5817,"end_s":5818,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5797,"target_proposition":5798,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":5819,"rationale":5820,"indexable":74},894,"195096","Nunca creé un incentivo durante mi gestión.",5105.62,5109,0.6,"Niega haber creado incentivos — relato de conducta pasada, sin proponer acción.",{"idx":5822,"utterance_id":5823,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5824,"start_s":5825,"end_s":5826,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},895,"195097","Ya existían.",5109.5,5110.34,{"idx":5828,"utterance_id":5829,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5830,"start_s":5831,"end_s":5832,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},896,"195098","Ahora tomemos el razonamiento aquí que vale para un Estado y también para un país.",5111.22,5116.56,{"idx":5834,"utterance_id":5835,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5836,"start_s":5837,"end_s":5838,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},897,"195099","Para mí fue en el caso de las fábricas de cerveza.",5117.64,5120.14,{"idx":5840,"utterance_id":5841,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5842,"start_s":5843,"end_s":5844,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5797,"target_proposition":5798,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":2399,"rationale":5845,"indexable":74},898,"195100","Puede que usted diga que vinieron por el incentivo fiscal.",5121.32,5125.08,"Sugiere la causa (incentivo fiscal) como razón de la instalación (descripción).",{"idx":5847,"utterance_id":5848,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1549,"start_s":5849,"end_s":5850,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},899,"195101",5125.38,5125.82,{"idx":5852,"utterance_id":5853,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5854,"start_s":5855,"end_s":5856,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5797,"target_proposition":5798,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":5857,"indexable":74},900,"195102","El Estado les dio un incentivo.",5126.52,5128.66,"Afirma que el Estado concedió un incentivo (hecho descriptivo).",{"idx":5859,"utterance_id":5860,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5861,"start_s":5862,"end_s":5863,"word_count":103,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":5864,"target_proposition":5865,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":5866,"indexable":74},901,"195103","Ahora, Gustavo, ¿están pagando?",5128.88,5131.3,"d0139c0f-e5e6-4dba-a062-3a53e3e7d407","aumentar la carga tributaria","Pregunta si las fábricas están pagando ICMS — consulta factual sobre recaudación.",{"idx":5868,"utterance_id":5869,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5870,"start_s":5863,"end_s":5871,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":5864,"target_proposition":5865,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":5872,"indexable":74},902,"195104","100, 200 millones de ICMS al año.",5136,"Proporciona valores de ICMS (dato descriptivo sobre recaudación).",{"idx":5874,"utterance_id":5875,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5876,"start_s":5877,"end_s":5878,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5879,"target_proposition":5880,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":5881,"indexable":702},903,"195105","Entonces pregunto, ¿el Estado perdió o está ganando?",5137.32,5141.66,"57ae87cc-9f66-40bc-a3ab-abfddb64cc59","conceder incentivos fiscales temporales con reducción gradual","Cuestiona si el Estado perdió, defendiendo que hay ganancia fiscal con los incentivos.",{"idx":1364,"utterance_id":5883,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5884,"start_s":5885,"end_s":5886,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5879,"target_proposition":5880,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":5887,"indexable":702},"195106","Si usted dice que el Estado debía recibir 300 y solo está recibiendo 200, entonces está diciendo que está perdiendo.",5142.7,5151.3,"Repite el argumento de que el incentivo genera recaudación en lugar de pérdida.",{"idx":5889,"utterance_id":5890,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5891,"start_s":5892,"end_s":5893,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5879,"target_proposition":5880,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":3077,"rationale":5894,"indexable":702},905,"195107","Ahora yo digo, si la fábrica no hubiera venido, no estaríamos recibiendo nada, estaríamos en cero.",5151.98,5160.08,"Afirma explícitamente que sin fábrica no habría recaudación (defensa del incentivo).",{"idx":5896,"utterance_id":5897,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5898,"start_s":5899,"end_s":5900,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},906,"195108","Estamos recibiendo 200.",5160.42,5161.58,{"idx":5902,"utterance_id":5903,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5904,"start_s":5905,"end_s":5906,"word_count":101,"topic_slug":2056,"topic_label":2057,"target_id":5907,"target_proposition":5908,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":5909,"indexable":702},907,"195109","Si muchas industrias que están aquí en Brasil se van a Argentina, al Perú, a Colombia, ¿será bueno para Brasil?",5161.76,5173.72,"abfb4475-1ad5-4ee5-8a72-97543653260d","atraer y mantener industrias en el país","Pregunta retórica contra la migración de industrias, defendiendo mantenerlas aquí.",{"idx":5911,"utterance_id":5912,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5913,"start_s":5914,"end_s":5915,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5916,"target_proposition":5917,"stance":1302,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":5918,"indexable":74},908,"195110","Soy totalmente contrario a la Bolsa Ineficiencia.",5174.36,5178.96,"3bc5615e-6471-467c-b5bb-41d4e50e8b4e","conceder subsidios permanentes a empresas ineficientes","Declara 'totalmente contrário à Bolsa Ineficiência' (oposición directa).",{"idx":5920,"utterance_id":5921,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5922,"start_s":5923,"end_s":5924,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},909,"195111","En eso sí lo soy.",5179.5,5180.12,{"idx":5926,"utterance_id":5927,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5928,"start_s":5929,"end_s":5930,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5916,"target_proposition":5917,"stance":1302,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":5931,"indexable":74},910,"195112","Empresa que solo quiere vivir a costa del gobierno.",5181.12,5184.84,"Describe de forma negativa a las empresas que 'mamam' del gobierno (crítica a los subsidios).",{"idx":5933,"utterance_id":5934,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5935,"start_s":5936,"end_s":5937,"word_count":266,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5879,"target_proposition":5880,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":5938,"indexable":702},911,"195113","Ahora, si usted tiene un incentivo inteligente... que es temporal para atraer y que tiene una reducción gradual a lo largo del tiempo, tal vez sea un incentivo inteligente que la mayoría de los países del mundo utiliza.",5185.4,5202.86,"Defiende el incentivo temporal y el desmame como política inteligente.",{"idx":5940,"utterance_id":5941,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5942,"start_s":5943,"end_s":5944,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},912,"195114","Entonces que no podemos... No, solo para que yo entienda, candidato.",5203.4,5207.52,{"idx":5946,"utterance_id":5947,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5948,"start_s":5949,"end_s":5950,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},913,"195115","Es solo para que yo entienda.",5207.98,5208.7,{"idx":5952,"utterance_id":5953,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5954,"start_s":5955,"end_s":5956,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5957,"target_proposition":5958,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":5959,"indexable":702},914,"195116","Entonces usted defiende que realmente existe una puerta de salida... para esas empresas, para esos beneficios fiscales.",5208.74,5214.2,"b88c7f20-fc7d-4572-9944-c433d40784f2","cortar privilegios del gasto tributario","Pregunta retórica que valida la existencia de 'porta de saída' para incentivos.",{"idx":5961,"utterance_id":5962,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5963,"start_s":5964,"end_s":5965,"word_count":493,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5957,"target_proposition":5958,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":5966,"indexable":702},915,"195117","Incluso no solo tratando la cuestión de Minas, donde usted ya dejó de ser gobernador, sino pensando a nivel federal, que usted planea ser presidente de la República, ¿es necesario que exista una puerta de salida para esos empresarios, para que no solo permanezcan en Brasil sin ser productivos, sino que además paguen impuestos, y que el gobierno pueda recaudar lo que hoy deja de percibir con los beneficios fiscales?",5214.26,5236.98,"defiende una puerta de salida federal para los beneficios fiscales y la recaudación futura.",{"idx":5968,"utterance_id":5969,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5970,"start_s":5971,"end_s":5972,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},916,"195118","¿Es más o menos eso?",5237.02,5238,{"idx":5974,"utterance_id":5975,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":588,"start_s":5976,"end_s":5977,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},917,"195119",5238.32,5238.7,{"idx":5979,"utterance_id":5980,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5981,"start_s":5982,"end_s":5983,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},918,"195120","Tomemos el caso de la Zona Franca de Manaus.",5238.72,5241.06,{"idx":5985,"utterance_id":5986,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5987,"start_s":5988,"end_s":5989,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5990,"target_proposition":5991,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":5992,"indexable":74},919,"195121","Ella ya existe desde hace 70 años.",5241.48,5243.38,"6c5742ea-9f08-48fa-8e23-62d378f1975b","revisar y reducir subsidios de la Zona Franca de Manaus con soft landing","informa que la Zona Franca existe hace 70 años (contexto descriptivo).",{"idx":5994,"utterance_id":5995,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":5996,"start_s":5997,"end_s":5998,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5990,"target_proposition":5991,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":5999,"indexable":702},920,"195122","¿Será necesario que exista por otros 200?",5243.44,5245.68,"cuestiona la necesidad de mantener el incentivo por más tiempo (sugiere cesación).",{"idx":6001,"utterance_id":6002,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6003,"start_s":5998,"end_s":6004,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5990,"target_proposition":5991,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":6005,"indexable":702},921,"195123","70 años ya dio tiempo para consolidar algo.",5251.2,"afirma que 70 años fueron suficientes e indica un destete necesario.",{"idx":6007,"utterance_id":6008,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6009,"start_s":6010,"end_s":6011,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5990,"target_proposition":5991,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":6012,"indexable":702},922,"195124","¿Tendremos que continuar con ese incentivo de ese tamaño?",5251.3,5256,"pregunta si es necesario mantener el incentivo de ese tamaño (crítica a la continuidad).",{"idx":6014,"utterance_id":6015,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6016,"start_s":6017,"end_s":6018,"word_count":190,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5990,"target_proposition":5991,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":6019,"indexable":702},923,"195125","En mi opinión, debería haber un destete a lo largo del tiempo y me parece que no existe esa previsión.",5256.06,5263.1,"declara explícitamente la necesidad de un destete a lo largo del tiempo.",{"idx":6021,"utterance_id":6022,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6023,"start_s":6024,"end_s":6025,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5990,"target_proposition":5991,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":6026,"indexable":74},924,"195126","Entonces, por ese lado, es muy malo.",5263.54,5266.14,"resume que la continuidad en el formato actual es 'muito ruim'.",{"idx":6028,"utterance_id":6029,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6030,"start_s":6031,"end_s":6032,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":5879,"target_proposition":5880,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":6033,"indexable":702},925,"195127","Yo digo que el incentivo fiscal debe ser igual que la mesada para un hijo.",5266.62,5270.46,"comparación metafórica: el incentivo debe ser como una mesada (temporal).",{"idx":6035,"utterance_id":6036,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6037,"start_s":6038,"end_s":6039,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},926,"195128","Mientras es niño, adolescente, está estudiando, está bien.",5270.62,5274.72,{"idx":6041,"utterance_id":6042,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6043,"start_s":6044,"end_s":6045,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},927,"195129","Ahora, en algún momento se vuelve adulto.",5275.28,5277.56,{"idx":6047,"utterance_id":6048,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6049,"start_s":6050,"end_s":6051,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":5795,"topic_label":5796,"target_id":6052,"target_proposition":6053,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":6054,"indexable":74},928,"195130","Entonces hay que acabar con eso.",5278,5279.74,"17989547-3bb7-41d2-a598-4d7a2eeb1a44","poner fin a los incentivos fiscales permanentes e instituir un desmonte gradual","declara 'temos de acabar com isso', defendiendo el fin de los incentivos permanentes.",{"idx":6056,"utterance_id":6057,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6058,"start_s":6059,"end_s":6060,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},929,"195131","Ahora, Gustavo, un punto importantísimo aquí.",5279.82,5282.42,{"idx":6062,"utterance_id":6063,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6064,"start_s":6065,"end_s":6066,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":6067,"target_proposition":6068,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":6069,"indexable":74},930,"195132","Quien opera en Brasil, Gustavo, usted lo sabe muy bien porque lo sigue: existe el costo Brasil.",5282.44,5289.2,"352cb115-74d0-4e60-afc7-97c6f58379bc","reducir los costos de producción en Brasil","introduce el concepto de 'custo Brasil' como factor para inversores (descripción).",{"idx":6071,"utterance_id":6072,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6073,"start_s":6074,"end_s":6075,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":6076,"target_proposition":6077,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":6078,"indexable":702},931,"195133","Aquí en Brasil tenemos la tasa de interés más alta del mundo.",5290.22,5293.74,"3bbafff7-d333-44a1-98fc-d7cd8550fdf8","reducir la tasa de interés y la carga tributaria","afirma que Brasil tiene las tasas de interés más altas (dato económico).",{"idx":6080,"utterance_id":6081,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6082,"start_s":6083,"end_s":6084,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},932,"195134","Quien está aquí... produciendo en Brasil, si va a un banco a pedir dinero hoy, Gustavo, paga 20% anual.",5294.14,5301.04,{"idx":6086,"utterance_id":6087,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6088,"start_s":6089,"end_s":6090,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},933,"195135","Si está en Europa, en Asia, en América del Norte, pagará quizás 6%.",5301.06,5305.06,{"idx":6092,"utterance_id":6093,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6094,"start_s":6095,"end_s":6096,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":6097,"topic_label":6098,"target_id":6099,"target_proposition":6100,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":6101,"indexable":702},934,"195136","Aquí en Brasil tenemos una inseguridad jurídica gigantesca.",5306.62,5310.72,"politica-de-justica","Política de Justicia","210a7a9f-bdaa-41c1-bca3-1e8988354eb5","garantizar imparcialidad y rendición de cuentas en el Poder Judicial","denuncia inseguridad jurídica y decisiones que favorecen a 'banqueiro'.",{"idx":6103,"utterance_id":6104,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6105,"start_s":6106,"end_s":6107,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},935,"195137","Ahí está el caso del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",5310.76,5312.16,{"idx":6109,"utterance_id":6110,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6111,"start_s":6112,"end_s":6113,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":6097,"topic_label":6098,"target_id":6099,"target_proposition":6100,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":6114,"indexable":74},936,"195138","El banquero bandido tiene decisión favorable.",5312.62,5315.56,"critica una decisión favorable a un banquero, pidiendo responsabilización judicial.",{"idx":6116,"utterance_id":6117,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6118,"start_s":6119,"end_s":6120,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},937,"195139","Quien trabaja en serio, a veces no, porque no tiene acceso a esos jueces bandidos que estamos viendo.",5315.58,5323.52,{"idx":6122,"utterance_id":6123,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6124,"start_s":6125,"end_s":6126,"word_count":190,"topic_slug":6127,"topic_label":6128,"target_id":6129,"target_proposition":6130,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":6131,"indexable":702},938,"195140","Aquí en Brasil tenemos una legislación tributaria que es un manicomio, necesita un ejército de gente para administrarla.",5324.18,5331.26,"reforma-fiscal","Reforma fiscal","7343ec22-c233-435e-aa9e-837953fe5dc8","reducir la complejidad del sistema tributario brasileño","define la legislación tributaria como 'manicômio' y pide corrección en la causa.",{"idx":6133,"utterance_id":6134,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6135,"start_s":6136,"end_s":6137,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},939,"195141","En otro país se necesitan cinco.",5331.7,5334.12,{"idx":6139,"utterance_id":6140,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6141,"start_s":6142,"end_s":6143,"word_count":161,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":6067,"target_proposition":6068,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":6144,"indexable":702},940,"195142","Entonces creo que tenemos que corregir la causa, que es el costo Brasil.",5334.5,5338.58,"afirma que corregir el costo Brasil elimina la necesidad de incentivos.",{"idx":6146,"utterance_id":6147,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6148,"start_s":6149,"end_s":6150,"word_count":201,"indexable":74},941,"195143","Y entonces no hace falta ningún incentivo, porque aquí en Brasil muchas veces tapamos el sol con un colador.",5339.08,5345.4,{"idx":6152,"utterance_id":6153,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6154,"start_s":6155,"end_s":6156,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},942,"195144","¿Sí?",5346.66,5347.08,{"idx":6158,"utterance_id":6159,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6160,"start_s":6161,"end_s":6162,"word_count":149,"topic_slug":6127,"topic_label":6128,"target_id":6163,"target_proposition":6164,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":2399,"rationale":6165,"indexable":74},943,"195145","¿Usted cambiaría algo de la reforma tributaria aprobada recientemente en el Congreso Nacional?",5347.42,5352.54,"444bb0f7-db90-4f89-a178-e61eebf99a25","alterar la legislación tributaria","pregunta si el entrevistado cambiaría la reforma aprobada (interrogante).",{"idx":6167,"utterance_id":6168,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6169,"start_s":6170,"end_s":6171,"word_count":212,"indexable":74},944,"195146","Usted habló, por ejemplo, de esa cuestión del costo Brasil, de cuánto gasta cada empresa, por ejemplo, para pagar sus propios tributos.",5352.84,5361.8,{"idx":6173,"utterance_id":6174,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6175,"start_s":6176,"end_s":6177,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},945,"195147","¿Usted propondría una nueva reforma tributaria?",5362.12,5364.34,{"idx":6179,"utterance_id":6180,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6181,"start_s":6182,"end_s":6183,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},946,"195148","¿Cuáles serían los términos de esa nueva reforma?",5364.38,5366.08,{"idx":6185,"utterance_id":6186,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6187,"start_s":6188,"end_s":6189,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":6127,"topic_label":6128,"target_id":6129,"target_proposition":6130,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":6190,"indexable":702},947,"195149","La reforma tributaria, Gustavo, simplifica para el sector productivo.",5367.38,5372.44,"afirma que la reforma simplifica para el sector productivo (apoyo a la simplificación).",{"idx":6192,"utterance_id":6193,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6194,"start_s":6195,"end_s":6196,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},948,"195150","Estuve 30 años rompiéndome la cabeza para entender los impuestos.",5372.88,5377.54,{"idx":6198,"utterance_id":6199,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6200,"start_s":6201,"end_s":6202,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},949,"195151","Y salí con muchas dudas todavía.",5378.24,5381.38,{"idx":6204,"utterance_id":6205,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6206,"start_s":6207,"end_s":6208,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},950,"195152","Nadie consigue entender.",5381.64,5383,{"idx":6210,"utterance_id":6211,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6212,"start_s":6213,"end_s":6214,"word_count":141,"topic_slug":6127,"topic_label":6128,"target_id":6129,"target_proposition":6130,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":6215,"indexable":74},951,"195153","Porque, además, un tribunal cambia su forma de interpretar y al final para el contribuyente aparece una sorpresa.",5383.44,5394.44,"relata que cambios en la interpretación judicial crean inseguridad (descripción).",{"idx":6217,"utterance_id":6218,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6219,"start_s":6220,"end_s":6221,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},952,"195154","O tiene un crédito o una deuda que nunca imaginó que tendría.",5394.64,5398.76,{"idx":6223,"utterance_id":6224,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6225,"start_s":6226,"end_s":6227,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":6127,"topic_label":6128,"target_id":6129,"target_proposition":6130,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":6228,"indexable":702},953,"195155","Entonces esa inseguridad... se reducirá mucho con la reforma tributaria.",5399.46,5404.86,"afirma que la reforma reducirá la inseguridad jurídica tributaria.",{"idx":6230,"utterance_id":6231,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6232,"start_s":6233,"end_s":6234,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":6127,"topic_label":6128,"target_id":6163,"target_proposition":6164,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":6235,"indexable":702},954,"195156","Ahora, la reforma, para mí, tiene un punto que quedó mal.",5405.46,5408.94,"afirma que un punto de la reforma quedó mal, proponiendo una modificación (crítica constructiva).",{"idx":6237,"utterance_id":6238,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6239,"start_s":6240,"end_s":6241,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":6127,"topic_label":6128,"target_id":6242,"target_proposition":6243,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":6244,"indexable":74},955,"195157","El rico va a comprar comida sin pagar impuestos.",5409.76,5412.56,"6de7abdc-a9e2-49f4-8028-d1f63b3a8a34","implementar tributación sobre el consumo con compensación para bajos ingresos","propone gravar el consumo y devolver a los de bajos ingresos; critica la exención para los ricos.",{"idx":6246,"utterance_id":6247,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6248,"start_s":6249,"end_s":6250,"word_count":155,"topic_slug":6127,"topic_label":6128,"target_id":6242,"target_proposition":6243,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":6251,"indexable":702},956,"195158","En mi opinión... debería haber impuesto y quien tenga bajos ingresos recibiría una restitución.",5413.4,5420.46,"defiende un impuesto con devolución para bajos ingresos (propuesta explícita).",{"idx":6253,"utterance_id":6254,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6255,"start_s":6256,"end_s":6257,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},957,"195159","Sería mucho más justo que las excepciones que se abrieron.",5421.12,5425.52,{"idx":6259,"utterance_id":6260,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6261,"start_s":6262,"end_s":6263,"word_count":161,"topic_slug":6127,"topic_label":6128,"target_id":6242,"target_proposition":6243,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":6264,"indexable":702},958,"195160","Quienes tienen ingresos más bajos no pueden pagar impuestos sobre medicamentos, sobre alimentos.",5426.04,5433.94,"afirma que los pobres no deben pagar impuestos sobre medicamentos y alimentos.",{"idx":6266,"utterance_id":6267,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6268,"start_s":6269,"end_s":6270,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},959,"195161","Y estamos dando exención al rico.",5434.42,5437.02,{"idx":6272,"utterance_id":6273,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6274,"start_s":6275,"end_s":6276,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},960,"195162","El rico... con la reforma tributaria comprará arroz, frijoles sin pagar impuestos.",5437.52,5442.78,{"idx":6278,"utterance_id":6279,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6280,"start_s":6281,"end_s":6282,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},961,"195163","Para mí debería ser solo la clase menos favorecida.",5442.8,5446.32,{"idx":6284,"utterance_id":6285,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6286,"start_s":6287,"end_s":6288,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":6127,"topic_label":6128,"target_id":6163,"target_proposition":6164,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":6289,"indexable":702},962,"195164","Entonces, por ese lado, la reforma no fue buena.",5446.62,5450,"dice que, por ese lado, la reforma 'não foi boa' y sugiere un cambio.",{"idx":6291,"utterance_id":6292,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6293,"start_s":6294,"end_s":6295,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":5735,"topic_label":5736,"target_id":6296,"target_proposition":6297,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":6298,"indexable":702},963,"195165","Y la alícuota de la que hablan, altísima también.",5450.2,5453.3,"45d56ec9-0596-407e-87c2-3ab02194d50e","reducir la carga tributaria sobre alimentos básicos y eximir a parte de la población del impuesto sobre la renta","critica la alta alícuota y anuncia un plan para reducir la carga mediante eficiencia.",{"idx":6300,"utterance_id":6301,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6302,"start_s":6303,"end_s":6304,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":6305,"target_proposition":6306,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":6307,"indexable":702},964,"195166","Yo, además, Gustavo, tengo en mi plan de gobierno la propuesta de mejorar la eficiencia de la máquina pública en 1% al año.",5454.16,5464.86,"d0891e1f-ece7-4037-8f02-80f8e6797be7","aumentar la eficiencia de la máquina pública en al menos 1% anual","declara explícitamente una propuesta de plan de gobierno (meta de eficiencia).",{"idx":6309,"utterance_id":6310,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6311,"start_s":6312,"end_s":6313,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":5735,"topic_label":5736,"target_id":6314,"target_proposition":6315,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":6316,"indexable":702},965,"195167","a lo largo de las próximas décadas y hacer que eso se traslade como reducción de la carga tributaria.",5465.5,5475.04,"fb64a931-5338-4017-9bbe-b65303cfab64","implementar un sistema tributario con baja carga para las personas y ampliar la base de contribuyentes","propone trasladar la eficiencia en forma de reducción de la carga tributaria.",{"idx":6318,"utterance_id":6319,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6320,"start_s":6321,"end_s":6322,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":5735,"topic_label":5736,"target_id":6296,"target_proposition":6297,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":6323,"indexable":74},966,"195168","¿Qué ha visto Brasil en los últimos 30 años?",5475.98,5479.72,"relata un historial de aumentos de la carga tributaria (descripción histórica).",{"idx":38,"utterance_id":6325,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6326,"start_s":6327,"end_s":6328,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},"195169","Solo aumento de la carga tributaria.",5480.42,5482.88,{"idx":6330,"utterance_id":6331,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6332,"start_s":6333,"end_s":6334,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},968,"195170","Nunca hemos tenido una inflexión.",5483.5,5485.34,{"idx":6336,"utterance_id":6337,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6338,"start_s":6339,"end_s":6340,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},969,"195171","Tenemos la mayor carga tributaria de América Latina, tenemos la mayor carga tributaria entre los países con nuestro mismo nivel de desarrollo.",5486.5,5498.08,{"idx":6342,"utterance_id":6343,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6344,"start_s":6345,"end_s":6346,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},970,"195172","Está equivocado.",5498.7,5499.38,{"idx":6348,"utterance_id":6349,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6350,"start_s":6351,"end_s":6352,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":6353,"topic_label":6354,"target_id":6355,"target_proposition":6356,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":6357,"indexable":702},971,"195173","Y estamos viendo, con este gobierno de políticos vendidos, adónde está yendo ese dinero.",5499.92,5506.8,"governanca-e-corrupcao","Gobernanza y corrupción","99775e61-c244-442e-9bf6-9485308cbccd","garantizar el uso adecuado de la recaudación pública","acusa 'governo de políticos vendidos' de desviar recursos; pide corrección.",{"idx":6359,"utterance_id":6360,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6361,"start_s":6362,"end_s":6363,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},972,"195174","Va a cualquier lugar menos a mejorar los servicios para quien paga impuestos.",5507.24,5513.46,{"idx":6365,"utterance_id":6366,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6367,"start_s":6368,"end_s":6369,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":6370,"target_proposition":6371,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":6372,"indexable":74},973,"195175","Entonces, es necesario un gobierno más reducido.",5514.08,5517.38,"63269ba1-31e0-40ba-9577-3c97159ec5fc","recortar la máquina pública y reducir los gastos del gobierno","dice que es necesario un gobierno más austero y poner fin a la ineficiencia.",{"idx":6374,"utterance_id":6375,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6376,"start_s":6377,"end_s":6378,"word_count":184,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":6379,"target_proposition":6380,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":6381,"indexable":702},974,"195176","Hoy hay tecnología, digitalización, inteligencia artificial que pueden hacer que el gobierno sea mucho más eficiente.",5517.68,5528.26,"3678a731-cbe9-4349-be7d-43047dfdd6a7","contratar tecnología mediante licitación para modernizar servicios públicos","defiende el uso de tecnología y digitalización para una mayor eficiencia gubernamental.",{"idx":6383,"utterance_id":6384,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6385,"start_s":6386,"end_s":6387,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},975,"195177","Eso es lo que hice toda mi vida como emprendedor.",5528.54,5531.16,{"idx":6389,"utterance_id":6390,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6391,"start_s":6392,"end_s":6393,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},976,"195178","El emprendedor, el empresario en Brasil lo hace, porque si no mejora la eficiencia, queda fuera del juego.",5532.62,5538.48,{"idx":6395,"utterance_id":6396,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6397,"start_s":6398,"end_s":6399,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":6400,"target_proposition":6401,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":6402,"indexable":702},977,"195179","Y aquí tenemos un gobierno que solo va acumulando grasa e ineficiencia a lo largo de las décadas.",5538.9,5545.02,"7d6ad3fd-3d99-4908-952b-df1921ef50bb","priorizar la gestión por resultados y la eficiencia pública","critica al gobierno por acumular 'gordura e ineficiência' y promete actuar.",{"idx":6404,"utterance_id":6405,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6406,"start_s":6407,"end_s":6408,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":6400,"target_proposition":6401,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":6409,"indexable":702},978,"195180","Es necesario que pongamos un alto y yo lo haré.",5545.56,5549.16,"promete poner fin a la ineficiencia ('e eu darei').",{"idx":6411,"utterance_id":6412,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6413,"start_s":6414,"end_s":6415,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},979,"195181","Candidato, quisiera retomar también un tema que usted, al principio de la entrevista, porque usted utilizó un término, \"ecoxitas\", para referirse a defensores ambientales, a la gente vinculada a la defensa del medio ambiente.",5552.26,5566.76,{"idx":6417,"utterance_id":6418,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6419,"start_s":6420,"end_s":6421,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},980,"195182","Quisiera preguntar, señor presidente, ¿sacaría usted a Brasil del Acuerdo de París?",5566.98,5571.48,{"idx":6423,"utterance_id":6424,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6425,"start_s":6426,"end_s":6427,"word_count":325,"indexable":74},981,"195183","¿Y cómo reflejaría eso, por ejemplo, en los acuerdos internacionales que Brasil está haciendo, por ejemplo, con la Unión Europea, con la que ya enfrentamos muchos problemas en nuestras exportaciones agropecuarias brasileñas, precisamente por las críticas sobre cómo cuidamos el medio ambiente?",5572.14,5588.38,{"idx":6429,"utterance_id":6430,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6431,"start_s":6432,"end_s":6433,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},982,"195184","¿Sacaría usted a Brasil del Acuerdo de París?",5588.4,5590.2,{"idx":6435,"utterance_id":6436,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6437,"start_s":6438,"end_s":6439,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},983,"195185","¿Y cómo se haría eso de sacarlo?",5590.3,5591.42,{"idx":6441,"utterance_id":6442,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6443,"start_s":6444,"end_s":6445,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},984,"195186","¿Cómo reaccionaría?",5591.78,5592.5,{"idx":6447,"utterance_id":6448,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6449,"start_s":6450,"end_s":6451,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},985,"195187","¿Qué consecuencia vendría, por ejemplo, de la Unión Europea?",5592.88,5595.82,{"idx":6453,"utterance_id":6454,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6455,"start_s":6456,"end_s":6457,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":2180,"topic_label":2181,"target_id":6458,"target_proposition":6459,"stance":1302,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":6460,"indexable":702},986,"195188","Gustavo, no sacaría a Brasil del Acuerdo de París.",5597.5,5601.88,"7a2f204d-6be8-4914-b9c1-d4571dcbc6c4","retirar a Brasil del Acuerdo de París","responde directamente: 'eu não tiraria o Brasil do Acordo de Paris'.",{"idx":6462,"utterance_id":6463,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6464,"start_s":6465,"end_s":6466,"word_count":155,"topic_slug":2180,"topic_label":2181,"target_id":6467,"target_proposition":6468,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":6469,"indexable":702},987,"195189","En mi opinión, tenemos una legislación ambiental adecuada, necesita ser más objetiva.",5602.84,5610.18,"a0e450ed-0732-4b4b-a35c-ae75123ce939","hacer la legislación ambiental más objetiva","dice que la legislación es adecuada pero necesita ser más objetiva.",{"idx":6471,"utterance_id":6472,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6473,"start_s":6474,"end_s":6475,"word_count":266,"topic_slug":2180,"topic_label":2181,"target_id":6476,"target_proposition":6477,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":718,"rationale":6478,"indexable":702},988,"195190","Y yo hice eso en mi gobierno, porque hoy, usted, para llevar adelante un proyecto mediano, ni siquiera necesita ser grande, tendrá que contratar... una consultoría ambiental y a veces pagar millones.",5611.02,5625.9,"5289fc17-bcc7-4372-9804-72663f7d125b","agilizar licencias ambientales para acelerar concesiones","reivindica una acción realizada en el gobierno para reducir los costos de licencias.",{"idx":6480,"utterance_id":6481,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6482,"start_s":6483,"end_s":6484,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},989,"195191","Me parece que está funcionando bien.",5626.64,5628.12,{"idx":6486,"utterance_id":6487,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6488,"start_s":6489,"end_s":6490,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},990,"195192","solo para despachantes, digamos así.",5628.24,5631.14,{"idx":6492,"utterance_id":6493,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6494,"start_s":6495,"end_s":6496,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},991,"195193","Tenemos casos exitosos en el mundo de desarrollo sostenible, social y económico.",5632.08,5640.24,{"idx":6498,"utterance_id":6499,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6500,"start_s":6501,"end_s":6502,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},992,"195194","Australia, Canadá y Brasil tienen esa legislación.",5640.48,5646.7,{"idx":6504,"utterance_id":6505,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6506,"start_s":6507,"end_s":6508,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":2180,"topic_label":2181,"target_id":6509,"target_proposition":6510,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":808,"rationale":6511,"indexable":702},993,"195195","que necesita... ser interpretada, analizada con mayor objetividad, corregida en algunos puntos, y que mostremos al mundo entero que los productos de nuestro agro se producen con responsabilidad ambiental.",5647.12,5667.02,"ba200b40-d442-4a15-879b-076b37136c7c","hacer la aplicación de la legislación ambiental más objetiva y demostrable","defiende corregir la interpretación y mostrar la sostenibilidad del agro.",{"idx":6513,"utterance_id":6514,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6515,"start_s":6516,"end_s":6517,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},994,"195196","Lo vi con el café.",5667.92,5669.5,{"idx":6519,"utterance_id":6520,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6521,"start_s":6522,"end_s":6523,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},995,"195197","Participé activamente, más del 99% de los productores de mi estado tienen el café certificado como producido de manera ambientalmente sostenible y no mediante deforestación.",5670.62,5689,{"idx":6525,"utterance_id":6526,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6527,"start_s":6528,"end_s":6529,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},996,"195198","Incluso reciben delegaciones de todo el mundo para comprobar que ese café que se exporta es... responsable en términos ambientales.",5689.56,5701.38,{"idx":6531,"utterance_id":6532,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6533,"start_s":6534,"end_s":6535,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":6536,"topic_label":6537,"target_id":6538,"target_proposition":6539,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":6540,"indexable":74},997,"195199","Entonces Brasil necesita venderse mejor.",5701.88,5704.4,"politica-fiscal-comercio-exterior","Política Fiscal \u002F Comercio Exterior","07bfaa8a-3297-4172-a967-f01a16fc5e4f","promover internacionalmente la sostenibilidad del agro brasileño","afirma que Brasil necesita venderse mejor y mostrar productos responsables.",{"idx":6542,"utterance_id":6543,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6544,"start_s":6545,"end_s":6546,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},998,"195200","Me parece que tenemos aquí una conservación que ningún otro país en el mundo tiene y lo que sale en las noticias muchas veces es solo lo negativo y se muestra poco lo positivo.",5704.94,5720.48,{"idx":6548,"utterance_id":6549,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6550,"start_s":6551,"end_s":6552,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},999,"195201","Es plenamente posible avanzar en el desarrollo.",5720.94,5725.2,{"idx":6554,"utterance_id":6555,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6556,"start_s":6557,"end_s":6558,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":2180,"topic_label":2181,"target_id":6559,"target_proposition":6560,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":6561,"indexable":702},1000,"195202","agricultura pujante, industria pujante y también preservación ambiental.",5726,5732.02,"d0958e7e-0873-4505-a354-7c152b28653e","promover el desarrollo con responsabilidad ambiental","defiende la coexistencia de una agricultura\u002Findustria pujante y la preservación ambiental.",{"idx":6563,"utterance_id":6564,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6565,"start_s":6566,"end_s":6567,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1001,"195203","Se complementan.",5732.12,5733.44,{"idx":6569,"utterance_id":6570,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6571,"start_s":6572,"end_s":6573,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},1002,"195204","Los países más miserables son los que más están destruyendo el medio ambiente.",5734,5738.82,{"idx":6575,"utterance_id":6576,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6577,"start_s":6578,"end_s":6579,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},1003,"195205","La persona no tiene ni acceso a gas para cocinar, va y corta la vegetación, contamina el agua porque no hay tratamiento de aguas residuales.",5739.32,5749.02,{"idx":6581,"utterance_id":6582,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6583,"start_s":6584,"end_s":6585,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},1004,"195206","Entonces, una cosa va de la mano con la otra y Brasil no lo ha conseguido.",5749.4,5753.76,{"idx":6587,"utterance_id":6588,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6589,"start_s":6590,"end_s":6591,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":6592,"topic_label":6593,"target_id":6594,"target_proposition":6595,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":6596,"indexable":702},1005,"195207","Hemos dado poderes a muchas ONGs que son totalmente incompatibles con el desarrollo social y económico.",5754.12,5763.18,"sociedade-civil-e-ongs","Sociedad civil y ONGs","1993f257-a792-4d8f-8618-a8084cef6984","fiscalizar y controlar las transferencias públicas a ONGs","critica la proliferación de ONGs que reciben recursos públicos indebidamente.",{"idx":6598,"utterance_id":6599,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6600,"start_s":6601,"end_s":6602,"word_count":201,"indexable":74},1006,"195208","Es gente que quiere poner dinero en el bolsillo, quiere hacer ruido y no ver que este país salga adelante, porque vive de la miseria.",5763.24,5771.38,{"idx":6604,"utterance_id":6605,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6606,"start_s":6607,"end_s":6608,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},1007,"195209","Cuando el presidente Jair Bolsonaro estuvo en la presidencia, él también hablaba mucho de esa cuestión de las ONGs, creó un clima algo bélico con ONGs que actuaban, por ejemplo, en la región amazónica.",5773.86,5785.42,{"idx":6610,"utterance_id":6611,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6612,"start_s":6613,"end_s":6614,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},1008,"195210","Pero eso terminó creando internacionalmente una imagen muy mala para Brasil y trajo consecuencias.",5785.7,5791.84,{"idx":6616,"utterance_id":6617,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6618,"start_s":6619,"end_s":6620,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1009,"195211","¿No tiene usted ese temor?",5791.9,5793.16,{"idx":6622,"utterance_id":6623,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6624,"start_s":6625,"end_s":6626,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},1010,"195212","Voy a pelearme con las ONG, voy a querer que las ONG salgan del país.",5793.42,5797.08,{"idx":6628,"utterance_id":6629,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6630,"start_s":6631,"end_s":6632,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},1011,"195213","¿Y a continuación... dar la imagen de que su gobierno no es responsable ambientalmente?",5797.42,5803.64,{"idx":6634,"utterance_id":6635,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6636,"start_s":6637,"end_s":6638,"word_count":141,"topic_slug":6592,"topic_label":6593,"target_id":6594,"target_proposition":6595,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":6639,"indexable":702},1012,"195214","Gustavo, no tengo nada contra una ONG seria que rinde cuentas, que tiene gente competente y que hace un buen trabajo.",5805.34,5814.54,"dice que no tiene nada en contra de ONGs serias, defiende separar 'joio do trigo'.",{"idx":6641,"utterance_id":6642,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6643,"start_s":6644,"end_s":6645,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1013,"195215","Conozco varias.",5814.68,5815.88,{"idx":6647,"utterance_id":6648,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6649,"start_s":6650,"end_s":6651,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1014,"195216","Entonces hay que separar el trigo de la cizaña.",5816.6,5818.52,{"idx":6653,"utterance_id":6654,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6655,"start_s":6656,"end_s":6657,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1015,"195217","Ahora, lo que vimos en Brasil fue una proliferación de ONGs para recibir recursos públicos.",5819.02,5825.12,{"idx":6659,"utterance_id":6660,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6661,"start_s":6662,"end_s":6663,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1016,"195218","se convirtió en una forma de vida.",5825.2,5827.34,{"idx":6665,"utterance_id":6666,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6667,"start_s":6668,"end_s":6669,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},1017,"195219","Principalmente algunas vinculadas al medio ambiente, al área social, es bueno solo para el gestor de la ONG y no para quien debería ser atendido.",5828,5840.62,{"idx":6671,"utterance_id":6672,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6673,"start_s":6674,"end_s":6675,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1018,"195220","Lo vi claramente en la tragedia de Mariana.",5841,5844.42,{"idx":6677,"utterance_id":6678,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6679,"start_s":6680,"end_s":6681,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},1019,"195221","La tragedia de Mariana, recordando, ocurrió en 2015, fue antes de mi gobierno.",5845.64,5850.04,{"idx":6683,"utterance_id":6684,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6685,"start_s":6686,"end_s":6687,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":6688,"topic_label":6689,"target_id":6690,"target_proposition":6691,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":6692,"indexable":702},1020,"195222","El dinero que la empresa aplicó no llegó a los afectados.",5850.78,5856.32,"responsabilizacao-empresarial","Responsabilización empresarial","fa8f6d43-45ac-4544-b784-4a4b23854c67","garantizar que las reparaciones lleguen directamente a los afectados","afirma que el dinero de la tragedia no llegó a los afectados (pide corrección).",{"idx":6694,"utterance_id":6695,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6696,"start_s":6697,"end_s":6698,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1021,"195223","Fue solo para consultorías, para análisis técnicos, para ONGs.",5856.88,5861.84,{"idx":6700,"utterance_id":6701,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6702,"start_s":6703,"end_s":6704,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1022,"195224","El agricultor que se quedó allí sin producir no recibió nada.",5862.5,5866.4,{"idx":6706,"utterance_id":6707,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6708,"start_s":6709,"end_s":6710,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1023,"195225","El pescador que se quedó allí sin pescar no recibió nada.",5867.22,5870.66,{"idx":6712,"utterance_id":6713,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6714,"start_s":6715,"end_s":6716,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},1024,"195226","Pero las ONGs y las consultorías pusieron millones y millones de dinero en caja.",5871.12,5876.78,{"idx":6718,"utterance_id":6719,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6720,"start_s":6721,"end_s":6722,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":6688,"topic_label":6689,"target_id":6723,"target_proposition":6724,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":6725,"indexable":702},1025,"195227","Tanto es así que en Brumadinho hice exactamente lo contrario.",5877.16,5880.78,"8ef92de4-01e2-43c2-89fa-359fc444ab95","destinar compensaciones a obras públicas e inversiones locales","dice que en Brumadinho destinó recursos a obras públicas 'carimbadas'.",{"idx":6727,"utterance_id":6728,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6729,"start_s":6730,"end_s":6731,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1026,"195228","Dije que todos los recursos...",5881.12,5882.76,{"idx":1518,"utterance_id":6733,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6734,"start_s":6735,"end_s":6736,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},"195229","Se invertiría en obras públicas, todo sellado para que nadie lucrara.",5883.14,5889.12,{"idx":6738,"utterance_id":6739,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6740,"start_s":6741,"end_s":6742,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1028,"195230","¿Y adivina qué pasó?",5889.4,5890.82,{"idx":6744,"utterance_id":6745,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6746,"start_s":6747,"end_s":6748,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1029,"195231","Las ONGs se quejaron.",5890.98,5892.1,{"idx":6750,"utterance_id":6751,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6752,"start_s":6753,"end_s":6754,"word_count":212,"indexable":74},1030,"195232","Ah, ese acuerdo fue malo porque no fue dinero para la ONG, sino fue dinero para que la gente de Minas tuviera mejor salud, tuviera mejores escuelas.",5892.12,5901.62,{"idx":6756,"utterance_id":6757,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6758,"start_s":6759,"end_s":6760,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1031,"195233","tener mejores carreteras.",5902.02,5903.54,{"idx":6762,"utterance_id":6763,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6764,"start_s":6765,"end_s":6766,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1032,"195234","Entonces tenemos que separar el trigo de la cizaña.",5904.06,5906.06,{"idx":6768,"utterance_id":6769,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6770,"start_s":6771,"end_s":6772,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1033,"195235","Lo único que temo en mi vida es generalizar.",5906.12,5909.5,{"idx":6774,"utterance_id":6775,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6776,"start_s":6777,"end_s":6778,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1034,"195236","Incluso en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) hay gente buena, por increíble que parezca.",5909.66,5912.84,{"idx":6780,"utterance_id":6781,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6782,"start_s":6783,"end_s":6784,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},1035,"195237","Hablando del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), señor, usted ya me dio pie para mi próxima pregunta.",5915.5,5920.14,{"idx":6786,"utterance_id":6787,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6788,"start_s":6789,"end_s":6790,"word_count":343,"topic_slug":6097,"topic_label":6098,"target_id":6791,"target_proposition":6792,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":6793,"indexable":74},1036,"195238","Porque en la sabatina del Jornal Nacional, usted dijo que le gustaría dar amnistía a los involucrados en el 8 de enero, o si no consigue dar amnistía a los involucrados en el 8 de enero, al menos dar a esas personas un juicio justo, un juicio que no sea político.",5920.16,5935.92,"47bae203-200c-4c17-b0cc-2dc01182a898","conceder una amplia amnistía a los participantes de los actos del 8 de enero","informa que el entrevistado habló de otorgar amnistía o de un juicio justo (reportaje).",{"idx":1545,"utterance_id":6795,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6796,"start_s":6797,"end_s":6798,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},"195239","Pero ahí hay dos problemas.",5936.32,5937.98,{"idx":6800,"utterance_id":6801,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6802,"start_s":6803,"end_s":6804,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":6805,"topic_label":6806,"target_id":6807,"target_proposition":6808,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":6809,"indexable":702},1038,"195240","Sobre la amnistía, los ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) ya señalaron que considerarían la amnistía a crímenes de golpe de Estado como inconstitucional, basándose en los incisos 43 y 44 del artículo 5º de la Constitución.",5938.14,5952.6,"direitos-civis","Derechos civiles","791fc7df-589d-4ec0-9d2e-782becbe3379","considerar la constitucionalidad de amnistías por el órgano competente","informa la posición del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) de que la amnistía es inconstitucional (hecho jurídico).",{"idx":6811,"utterance_id":6812,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6813,"start_s":6814,"end_s":6815,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},1039,"195241","Por otro lado, además, decidir quién va a juzgar o rejuiciar a los involucrados en el 8 de enero tampoco es una prerrogativa presidencial.",5953,5962.78,{"idx":6817,"utterance_id":6818,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6819,"start_s":6820,"end_s":6821,"word_count":141,"topic_slug":6822,"topic_label":6823,"target_id":6824,"target_proposition":6825,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":6826,"indexable":702},1040,"195242","El presidente de la República no puede ponerse a decir que ahora ese juicio no vale o que es otro juicio.",5962.82,5968.58,"separacao-de-poderes","Separación de poderes","8964bde8-7744-4544-a8c7-31a348b32949","garantizar la independencia entre los poderes y el respeto a la representatividad del electorado","afirma que el presidente no puede invalidar sentencias (descripción constitucional).",{"idx":6828,"utterance_id":6829,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6830,"start_s":6831,"end_s":6832,"word_count":201,"indexable":74},1041,"195243","Un juicio, por ejemplo, en primera instancia, que es una de las alegaciones de muchos de los abogados de los involucrados en el 8 de enero.",5968.6,5975.82,{"idx":6834,"utterance_id":6835,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6836,"start_s":6837,"end_s":6838,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1042,"195244","Entonces, quisiera preguntarle, ¿cuál es la solución práctica para ese impacto?",5976.14,5980.46,{"idx":6840,"utterance_id":6841,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6842,"start_s":6843,"end_s":6844,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1043,"195245","El STF ya ha advertido que la amnistía es inconstitucional.",5980.56,5983.1,{"idx":6846,"utterance_id":6847,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6848,"start_s":6849,"end_s":6850,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},1044,"195246","sin que la Presidencia de la República pueda, como usted propuso, dar un juicio justo a esas personas.",5983.7,5989.66,{"idx":6852,"utterance_id":6853,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6854,"start_s":6855,"end_s":6856,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1045,"195247","¿Qué solución práctica?",5989.9,5991.1,{"idx":6858,"utterance_id":6859,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6860,"start_s":6861,"end_s":6862,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":6097,"topic_label":6098,"target_id":6863,"target_proposition":6864,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":5819,"rationale":6865,"indexable":74},1046,"195248","Y para finalizar la pregunta, ¿desobedecería usted una orden del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), como por ejemplo ha dicho el candidato Renan Santos de Missão?",5991.76,6000.4,"c0598600-baab-4cd9-98a1-7aae8713902b","desobedecer órdenes del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)","pregunta si el candidato desobedecería órdenes del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) (interrogación sobre la acción).",{"idx":6867,"utterance_id":6868,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6869,"start_s":6870,"end_s":6871,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1047,"195249","¿Qué haría?",6000.58,6001.08,{"idx":6873,"utterance_id":6874,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6875,"start_s":6876,"end_s":6877,"word_count":161,"topic_slug":1275,"topic_label":1276,"target_id":6878,"target_proposition":6879,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":718,"rationale":6880,"indexable":702},1048,"195250","Oh Gustavo, vamos a tener una renovación en el Senado, sin duda un Senado más valiente.",6003.6,6013.36,"3c881eaf-7141-43af-8c0f-b76361afd865","elegir senadores y diputados mejor calificados","afirma que habrá renovación en el Senado por senadores 'mais corajosos'.",{"idx":6882,"utterance_id":6883,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6884,"start_s":6885,"end_s":6886,"word_count":250,"topic_slug":6887,"topic_label":6888,"target_id":6889,"target_proposition":6890,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":808,"rationale":6891,"indexable":702},1049,"195251","Un presidente del Senado que no sea vendible como el actual, que también es una vergüenza para el país, que fue allá a degustar el whisky Macallan con el banquero bandido Vorcaro.",6014.02,6029.84,"etica-e-integridade-publica","Ética y integridad pública","e92793ec-f075-48f3-a478-6272a188b51d","exigir ética y probidad en el Senado","critica al presidente del Senado y pide un cambio en la conducta ética.",{"idx":6893,"utterance_id":6894,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6895,"start_s":6896,"end_s":6897,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1050,"195252","Y estoy muy confiado en ese cambio.",6029.86,6034.88,{"idx":6899,"utterance_id":6900,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6901,"start_s":6902,"end_s":6903,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":6904,"topic_label":6905,"target_id":6906,"target_proposition":6907,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":6908,"indexable":74},1051,"195253","Ahora la decisión judicial la acato.",6035.44,6037.76,"poder-judiciario-e-separacao-de-poderes","Poder Judicial y separación de poderes","3d8e0209-ea96-4a3d-99a9-b1b3afbe82da","respetar las decisiones del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) y responsabilizar a los conspiradores","declara explícitamente: 'a decisão judicial eu acato'.",{"idx":6910,"utterance_id":6911,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6912,"start_s":6913,"end_s":6914,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":6915,"topic_label":6916,"target_id":6917,"target_proposition":6918,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":6919,"indexable":74},1052,"195254","Ahora yo voy a convocar como presidente manifestaciones.",6038.6,6042.74,"direito-de-manifestacao","Derecho de Manifestación","ca7058b4-3419-4f46-bc4c-a140a95b3734","convocar manifestaciones en las calles","promete 'convocar como presidente manifestações' contra ministros.",{"idx":6921,"utterance_id":6922,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6923,"start_s":6924,"end_s":6925,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1053,"195255","para poder mostrar la insatisfacción de los brasileños con respecto a esos ministros que están allí también.",6043.36,6050.42,{"idx":6927,"utterance_id":6928,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6929,"start_s":6930,"end_s":6931,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1054,"195256","¿Será normal esto que vimos ayer?",6051.24,6054.08,{"idx":6933,"utterance_id":6934,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6935,"start_s":6936,"end_s":6937,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":6097,"topic_label":6098,"target_id":6938,"target_proposition":6939,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":6940,"indexable":702},1055,"195257","¿Ministro del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) dando consultoría jurídica a un bandido?",6055.18,6060.84,"48f52c81-4943-41dd-b2b3-2d40a960006d","aplicar consecuencias administrativas y apartar a magistrados implicados","critica a un ministro de la Corte Suprema por consultoría a un 'bandido', pide castigo.",{"idx":6942,"utterance_id":6943,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6944,"start_s":6945,"end_s":6946,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1056,"195258","A falta ahí un poco de vergüenza en la cara.",6063.06,6065.62,{"idx":6948,"utterance_id":6949,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6950,"start_s":6951,"end_s":6952,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":6097,"topic_label":6098,"target_id":6953,"target_proposition":6954,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":5349,"rationale":6955,"indexable":702},1057,"195259","En cualquier país serio, ese ministro ya estaría expulsado del sistema o... muy probablemente en una celda de prisión.",6066,6077.06,"8e501299-ca6e-4cfe-967c-bb8a38025b04","apartar y responsabilizar a magistrados implicados en abuso sexual infantil e irregularidades financieras","afirma que, en otros países, un ministro sería expulsado o encarcelado (pide castigo).",{"idx":6957,"utterance_id":6958,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6959,"start_s":6960,"end_s":6961,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1058,"195260","Y aquí todavía se cree dueño del lugar.",6078.04,6081.6,{"idx":6963,"utterance_id":6964,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6965,"start_s":6966,"end_s":6967,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1059,"195261","Son los intocables, eso es una aberración.",6083.18,6087.2,{"idx":6969,"utterance_id":6970,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6971,"start_s":6972,"end_s":6973,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1060,"195262","Se va a corregir.",6087.42,6088.68,{"idx":6975,"utterance_id":6976,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6977,"start_s":6978,"end_s":6979,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1061,"195263","Esa piedra en el zapato está molestando a todos los brasileños.",6089.24,6094.06,{"idx":6981,"utterance_id":6982,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6983,"start_s":6984,"end_s":6985,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1062,"195264","No se puede tolerar.",6094.64,6096.36,{"idx":6987,"utterance_id":6988,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6989,"start_s":6990,"end_s":6991,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1063,"195265","Incluso temo.",6097.26,6098.22,{"idx":6993,"utterance_id":6994,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":6995,"start_s":6996,"end_s":6997,"word_count":141,"topic_slug":6998,"topic_label":6999,"target_id":7000,"target_proposition":7001,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":7002,"indexable":702},1064,"195266","No es que yo sea, yo soy un demócrata, sigo la ley, que esto en algún momento pueda tener consecuencias más serias.",6098.8,6106.38,"democracia-e-discurso","Democracia y discurso","93715d17-3a5f-4deb-bed2-4ac33a390c23","respetar el régimen democrático y la ley","afirma ser demócrata y seguir la ley, a pesar de las críticas a los ministros.",{"idx":7004,"utterance_id":7005,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7006,"start_s":7007,"end_s":7008,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1065,"195267","Porque la insatisfacción del brasileño está creciendo.",6106.94,6110.14,{"idx":7010,"utterance_id":7011,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7012,"start_s":7013,"end_s":7014,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1066,"195268","Y mira que el brasileño es un pueblo pacífico.",6110.48,6112.78,{"idx":7016,"utterance_id":7017,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7018,"start_s":7019,"end_s":7020,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1067,"195269","Pero vamos a presenciar ahí manifestaciones.",6113.68,6117.18,{"idx":7022,"utterance_id":7023,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7024,"start_s":7025,"end_s":7026,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1068,"195270","La indignación es muy grande.",6117.66,6120.04,{"idx":7028,"utterance_id":7029,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7030,"start_s":7031,"end_s":7032,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1069,"195271","Yo digo que sólo para la muerte no hay solución.",6120.76,6123.72,{"idx":7034,"utterance_id":7035,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7036,"start_s":7037,"end_s":7038,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":6097,"topic_label":6098,"target_id":7039,"target_proposition":7040,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":7041,"indexable":74},1070,"195272","Deberían tomar una salida honrosa.",6125.12,6128.12,"0333c5ff-4195-4fa3-88f0-f5fe19d5d667","conceder amnistía a los ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)","sugiere 'saída honrosa' y luego admite que cabría amnistía para que se vayan.",{"idx":7043,"utterance_id":7044,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7045,"start_s":7046,"end_s":7047,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":6097,"topic_label":6098,"target_id":7048,"target_proposition":7049,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":718,"rationale":7050,"indexable":74},1071,"195273","Devuelvan el dinero y cambien de país.",6128.46,6131.2,"39091153-be9a-451d-a7bb-99ca1d4afed4","exigir devolución de fondos y el cese de ministros","pide que devuelvan el dinero y salgan del país (condición para una salida honorosa).",{"idx":7052,"utterance_id":7053,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7054,"start_s":7055,"end_s":7056,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1072,"195274","Creo que les correspondería una amnistía, sí.",6132.04,6134.36,{"idx":7058,"utterance_id":7059,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7060,"start_s":7061,"end_s":7062,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1073,"195275","Para esos ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), de los que estoy hablando.",6135.76,6138.54,{"idx":7064,"utterance_id":7065,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7066,"start_s":7067,"end_s":7068,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},1074,"195276","Para que se vayan, porque son un cáncer para nuestra sociedad.",6139.76,6143.7,{"idx":7070,"utterance_id":7071,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7072,"start_s":7073,"end_s":7074,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},1075,"195277","Una vergüenza para el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), que tiene gente seria, y también para Brasil.",6143.72,6149.02,{"idx":7076,"utterance_id":7077,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7078,"start_s":7079,"end_s":7080,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},1076,"195278","Brasil allá afuera, tú sigues el ranking de la transparencia, de la percepción de corrupción, solo ha ido empeorando.",6149.48,6157.44,{"idx":7082,"utterance_id":7083,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7084,"start_s":7085,"end_s":7086,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1077,"195279","y mucho en virtud de esos intocables de Brasilia.",6157.8,6161.48,{"idx":7088,"utterance_id":7089,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7090,"start_s":7091,"end_s":7092,"word_count":278,"indexable":74},1078,"195280","Gustavo, quería agradecer muchísimo tu participación, Camila tuvo que salir antes porque tenía otro programa en vivo inmediatamente después; si quieres hacer algún comentario final, y agradecer muchísimo ahí.",6162.36,6173.7,{"idx":7094,"utterance_id":7095,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7096,"start_s":7097,"end_s":7098,"word_count":32,"indexable":74},1079,"195281","No, quería agradecer, agradecer al candidato Zema, que está en esta campaña para intentar la presidencia de la República, agradecer a Inteligência Limitada, agradecerles a ustedes, y solo para terminar... que yo solo entendí.",6175.7,6188.52,{"idx":7100,"utterance_id":7101,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7102,"start_s":7103,"end_s":7104,"word_count":337,"topic_slug":6915,"topic_label":6916,"target_id":6917,"target_proposition":6918,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":7105,"indexable":702},1080,"195282","Entonces, si el Supremo decide que la amnistía no es válida, la solución es convocar manifestaciones, pero no tenemos una visión clara; los bolsonaristas han estado convocando manifestaciones durante años y sin efecto, aún no entendí cuál sería la solución práctica para que la amnistía fallezca.",6189.9,6205.4,"propone convocar manifestaciones si el STF invalida la amnistía (estrategia política).",{"idx":7107,"utterance_id":7108,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7109,"start_s":7110,"end_s":7111,"word_count":228,"topic_slug":6097,"topic_label":6098,"target_id":7112,"target_proposition":7113,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":7114,"indexable":702},1081,"195283","Asumiendo, voy a ir tras todos los senadores para que hagamos el impeachment, que ya es más que merecido para esos ministros, no me voy a quedar callado, no.",6205.42,6216.7,"080cf9f8-6739-421f-b796-bdb23970e3c6","promover impeachment a ministros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal)","declara intención de perseguir el impeachment de ministros en caso de asumir.",{"idx":7116,"utterance_id":7117,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7118,"start_s":7119,"end_s":7120,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":6998,"topic_label":6999,"target_id":7000,"target_proposition":7001,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":7121,"indexable":702},1082,"195284","Entonces, pero no voy a irrespetar la ley ni el régimen democrático.",6217.18,6222.62,"afirma que no desrespetará la ley y el régimen democrático.",{"idx":7123,"utterance_id":7124,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7125,"start_s":7126,"end_s":7127,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1083,"195285","Pero la vida de ellos va a ser un infierno.",6223.24,6225.64,{"idx":7129,"utterance_id":7130,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7131,"start_s":7132,"end_s":7133,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1084,"195286","¿Qué hizo Lula de ayer para hoy?",6225.66,6227.7,{"idx":7135,"utterance_id":7136,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7137,"start_s":7138,"end_s":7139,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},1085,"195287","¿Lo viste ir a la televisión, hablar y decir 'puna a los culpables'?",6227.72,6232.96,{"idx":7141,"utterance_id":7142,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7143,"start_s":7144,"end_s":7145,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1086,"195288","Está ahí calladito.",6232.98,6234.44,{"idx":7147,"utterance_id":7148,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7149,"start_s":7150,"end_s":7151,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},1087,"195289","Es uno de los involucrados, uno de los que se benefician de esos intocables, de esos corruptos que están allí en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal).",6235.14,6243.36,{"idx":7153,"utterance_id":7154,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7155,"start_s":7156,"end_s":7157,"word_count":103,"topic_slug":7158,"topic_label":7159,"target_id":7160,"target_proposition":7161,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":7162,"indexable":74},1088,"195290","Yo iría a la TV.",6243.78,6244.82,"comunicacao-governamental","Comunicación gubernamental","72a9c4b2-ba81-4dfa-924a-3eb4b411c7bd","usar redes sociales para divulgar acusaciones contra el partido de izquierda y el gobierno","afirma que iría a la TV y haría todo para castigar a los culpables (acción pública).",{"idx":7164,"utterance_id":7165,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7166,"start_s":7167,"end_s":7168,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1089,"195291","yo haría todo lo posible para castigar.",6245.98,6249.86,{"idx":7170,"utterance_id":7171,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7172,"start_s":7173,"end_s":7174,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1090,"195292","Y hoy tenemos un clima de impunidad.",6250.22,6252.4,{"idx":7176,"utterance_id":7177,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7178,"start_s":7179,"end_s":7180,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},1091,"195293","En Minas, en mi gobierno, no tuvimos corrupción, no tuvimos escándalo.",6252.86,6257.14,{"idx":7182,"utterance_id":7183,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7184,"start_s":7185,"end_s":7186,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1092,"195294","Porque dejé clarísimo, estoy aquí para hacer lo correcto y para combatir lo incorrecto.",6257.82,6262.26,{"idx":7188,"utterance_id":7189,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7190,"start_s":7191,"end_s":7192,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1093,"195295","¿Qué día tuvimos a Lula haciendo eso?",6262.28,6265.72,{"idx":7194,"utterance_id":7195,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7196,"start_s":7197,"end_s":7198,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1094,"195296","Hubo la operación Rejeito, ¿no, candidato?",6265.74,6270.92,{"idx":7200,"utterance_id":7201,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7202,"start_s":7203,"end_s":7204,"word_count":349,"indexable":74},1095,"195297","La operación Rejeito fue quizás uno de los escándalos de corrupción de su gobierno allí, en el que usted incluso mandó a la gente fuera, despidió a los involucrados, combatió cuando llegó su información, pero no se puede decir que no hubo ningún escándalo de corrupción en el gobierno Zé de Minas.",6271.42,6288.5,{"idx":7206,"utterance_id":7207,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7208,"start_s":7209,"end_s":7210,"word_count":190,"topic_slug":2180,"topic_label":2181,"target_id":7211,"target_proposition":7212,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":7213,"indexable":702},1096,"195298","Tuve esa decepción y quiero que los involucrados que destruyeron el medio ambiente, se metieron dinero en el bolsillo, morfem en la cárcel.",6289.5,6300.16,"8530e6db-4435-4365-b71f-5d9b4f78c8e6","investigar y sancionar delitos ambientales cometidos por empresas","dice querer que los involucrados en la destrucción ambiental 'morfem na cadeia'.",{"idx":7215,"utterance_id":7216,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7217,"start_s":7218,"end_s":7219,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":2180,"topic_label":2181,"target_id":2182,"target_proposition":2183,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":7220,"indexable":702},1097,"195299","Quiero y estoy contribuyendo con la investigación de la mayor forma posible.",6300.68,6305.9,"declara contribuir y ponerse a disposición para investigaciones (acción afirmativa).",{"idx":7222,"utterance_id":7223,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7224,"start_s":7225,"end_s":7226,"word_count":101,"topic_slug":6097,"topic_label":6098,"target_id":7227,"target_proposition":7228,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":718,"rationale":7229,"indexable":702},1098,"195300","Ya dije, si puedo ir a declarar contra esa mafia que se instaló allí, inclusive había gente de la Agencia Nacional de Minería, estoy totalmente disponible.",6306.66,6318.22,"bf4b4a36-fbf9-4ba2-95f3-ce4a9f2d5515","utilizar métodos especiales de investigación y cooperación internacional contra el crimen organizado","ofrece disponibilidad para declarar contra la 'máfia' instalada (acción concreta).",{"idx":7231,"utterance_id":7232,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7233,"start_s":7234,"end_s":7235,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1099,"195301","Actitud exactamente opuesta a la de Lula, que está ahí calladito.",6319.08,6324.42,{"idx":7237,"utterance_id":7238,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7239,"start_s":7240,"end_s":7241,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":7242,"target_proposition":7243,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":7244,"indexable":702},1100,"195302","Quiero la investigación de todo lo que está mal y un castigo ejemplar.",6324.84,6328.54,"1fdeca1d-0df9-4ccb-afe3-abf1fec85936","investigar y castigar prácticas ilícitas con sanciones ejemplares","exige investigación y castigo ejemplar de todo lo que esté mal.",{"idx":7246,"utterance_id":7247,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7248,"start_s":7249,"end_s":7250,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1101,"195303","Ahí está la diferencia.",6328.7,6329.82,{"idx":7252,"utterance_id":7253,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7254,"start_s":7255,"end_s":7256,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1102,"195304","Muchas gracias, entonces.",6329.84,6333.04,{"idx":7258,"utterance_id":7259,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7260,"start_s":7261,"end_s":7262,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},1103,"195305","Gracias, Vilela, gracias, gobernador, y buen resto de campaña y presidencia de la República.",6333.06,6340.46,{"idx":7264,"utterance_id":7265,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7266,"start_s":7267,"end_s":7268,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1104,"195306","Vale.",6341.38,6341.66,{"idx":7270,"utterance_id":7271,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7272,"start_s":7273,"end_s":7274,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1105,"195307","Muchísimas gracias.",6342.2,6342.94,{"idx":7276,"utterance_id":7277,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7278,"start_s":7279,"end_s":7280,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1106,"195308","Vamos a las preguntas del chat, Romer.",6343.2,6345.48,{"idx":7282,"utterance_id":7283,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7284,"start_s":7285,"end_s":7286,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1107,"195309","Y después tenemos dos preguntas de especialistas para finalizar.",6345.58,6348.54,{"idx":7288,"utterance_id":7289,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7290,"start_s":7291,"end_s":7292,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1108,"195310","Ya estamos con el tiempo ya al límite.",6348.56,6350.56,{"idx":7294,"utterance_id":7295,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":2422,"start_s":7296,"end_s":7297,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1109,"195311",6350.58,6350.82,{"idx":7299,"utterance_id":7300,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7301,"start_s":7302,"end_s":7303,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1110,"195312","Entonces, vamos.",6350.9,6351.34,{"idx":7305,"utterance_id":7306,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7307,"start_s":7308,"end_s":7309,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1111,"195313","Tenemos la primera pregunta aquí de PH Souza.",6351.48,6353.54,{"idx":7311,"utterance_id":7312,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7313,"start_s":7314,"end_s":7315,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1112,"195314","Él está preguntando lo siguiente.",6353.56,6354.6,{"idx":7317,"utterance_id":7318,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7319,"start_s":7320,"end_s":7321,"word_count":244,"topic_slug":7322,"topic_label":7323,"target_id":7324,"target_proposition":7325,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":7326,"indexable":702},1113,"195315","Zema, ¿cómo explica que la deuda del Estado de Minas Gerais haya dado un salto de 114 mil millones en 2019 a más de 200 mil millones en deudas durante su mandato?",6354.74,6364.1,"politica-energetica-financas-publicas","Política energética \u002F Finanzas públicas","f5cc4e88-3b6b-477d-bae5-841d6c78d449","rendir cuentas sobre el aumento de la deuda pública estatal","pregunta que solicita explicación sobre el salto de la deuda del estado.",{"idx":7328,"utterance_id":7329,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7330,"start_s":7331,"end_s":7332,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":7333,"topic_label":7334,"target_id":7335,"target_proposition":7336,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":7337,"indexable":702},1114,"195316","Bueno, la deuda se mide en capacidad de pago.",6365.46,6369.64,"financas-municipais","Finanzas Municipales","35cc4c60-77d7-46d5-8d3a-fcf3ba5baf3f","evaluar la deuda pública según la capacidad de pago","afirma que la deuda se mide por la capacidad de pago (criterio de evaluación).",{"idx":7339,"utterance_id":7340,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7341,"start_s":7342,"end_s":7343,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":7344,"topic_label":7345,"target_id":7346,"target_proposition":7347,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":7348,"indexable":702},1115,"195317","Brasil tiene la ley de responsabilidad fiscal.",6370.34,6373.66,"responsabilidade-fiscal","Responsabilidad fiscal","2b57dfdb-7f67-42fd-beca-29b8c4911f28","cumplir la Ley de Responsabilidad Fiscal en la gestión pública estatal","declara la existencia y aplicación de la LRF como referencia fiscal.",{"idx":7350,"utterance_id":7351,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7352,"start_s":7353,"end_s":7354,"word_count":141,"topic_slug":7333,"topic_label":7334,"target_id":7355,"target_proposition":7356,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":7357,"indexable":702},1116,"195318","De acuerdo con el criterio de la ley de responsabilidad fiscal, la deuda de Minas Gerais cayó un 21% respecto a la receita corrente líquida.",6374.72,6384.92,"004413c8-814d-4c53-b1f4-01605fd99d69","reducir la deuda del estado de Minas Gerais","cita el porcentaje de reducción de la deuda según el criterio de la LRF.",{"idx":7359,"utterance_id":7360,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7361,"start_s":7362,"end_s":7363,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1117,"195319","Está allí para que todo el mundo lo vea.",6384.94,6386.9,{"idx":7365,"utterance_id":7366,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7367,"start_s":7368,"end_s":7369,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1118,"195320","Cayó un 21%.",6387.08,6387.58,{"idx":7371,"utterance_id":7372,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7373,"start_s":7374,"end_s":7375,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":7333,"topic_label":7334,"target_id":7376,"target_proposition":7377,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":7378,"indexable":702},1119,"195321","Diferente de la deuda de la Unión, que en el gobierno de Lula ya subió un 10%.",6389.48,6394.2,"4910af38-8273-4ffe-978b-054d7d1fd8f6","reducir la deuda pública federal","critica el aumento de la deuda de la Unión en el gobierno anterior, implicando defensa de su reducción.",{"idx":7380,"utterance_id":7381,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7382,"start_s":7383,"end_s":7384,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":7333,"topic_label":7334,"target_id":7385,"target_proposition":7386,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":5819,"rationale":7387,"indexable":74},1120,"195322","Una deuda... que para Minas antes era impagable, hoy es pagable.",6396.22,6401.72,"b4b3fd0a-384e-4e6e-8fff-ccbcc280e7f9","hacer la deuda estatal sostenible y pagable","afirma que una deuda que era impagable hoy es pagable, sin proponer una acción explícita.",{"idx":7389,"utterance_id":7390,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7391,"start_s":7392,"end_s":7393,"word_count":161,"topic_slug":7333,"topic_label":7334,"target_id":7394,"target_proposition":7395,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":7396,"indexable":702},1121,"195323","Y en mi gobierno, cinco años de superávit, es decir, ingresos mayores que gastos.",6402.48,6411.58,"c1d01a25-41b1-4b6a-94ff-141873ac2828","garantizar gestión fiscal responsable y transparencia en las cuentas públicas estatales","reclama cinco años de superávit en su gobierno (defensa de su historial).",{"idx":7398,"utterance_id":7399,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7400,"start_s":7401,"end_s":7402,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":7333,"topic_label":7334,"target_id":7394,"target_proposition":7395,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":7403,"indexable":702},1122,"195324","Esos cinco años de cuentas equilibradas sucedieron a seis años de gobierno del PT y del PSDB, que tuvieron déficit, donde se gastaba más de lo que se ganaba.",6412.72,6424.32,"contrasta el superávit de su gobierno con los déficits de gestiones anteriores.",{"idx":7405,"utterance_id":7406,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7407,"start_s":7408,"end_s":7409,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":7333,"topic_label":7334,"target_id":7410,"target_proposition":7411,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":7412,"indexable":702},1123,"195325","Todo lo que Minas paga está rigurosamente al día.",6426.06,6430.88,"4fcf93df-d585-4ccb-a480-85281ee7dd04","honrar pagos y mantener las obligaciones estatales al día","afirma que todo lo que Minas paga está rigurosamente al día.",{"idx":7414,"utterance_id":7415,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7416,"start_s":7417,"end_s":7418,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1124,"195326","Por ejemplo, solo pregúntenle al funcionariado.",6431.68,6434.88,{"idx":7420,"utterance_id":7421,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7422,"start_s":7423,"end_s":7424,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":7333,"topic_label":7334,"target_id":7425,"target_proposition":7426,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":7427,"indexable":702},1125,"195327","Por ejemplo, solo pregúntenle a los 853 alcaldes que recibieron aquello que el PT no hizo en transferencia, de manera criminal, a proveedores.",6435.34,6448.08,"84fceac0-0d4c-4369-ad8a-d3254f69e49f","efectuar las transferencias debidas a los municipios y proveedores con regularidad","afirma haber hecho transferencias que, según él, el gobierno anterior no hizo.",{"idx":7429,"utterance_id":7430,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7431,"start_s":7432,"end_s":7433,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":7333,"topic_label":7334,"target_id":7434,"target_proposition":7435,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":7436,"indexable":74},1126,"195328","Entonces, hoy el Estado está saneado.",6448.1,6450.44,"9212cfc8-88db-47f2-879c-7db5cfaa58c3","recuperar las finanzas del Estado","declara que el Estado está saneado en defensa de su gestión.",{"idx":7438,"utterance_id":7439,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7440,"start_s":7441,"end_s":7442,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1127,"195329","Ahí hay gente que dice, la deuda aumentó.",6450.86,6453.4,{"idx":7444,"utterance_id":7445,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7446,"start_s":7447,"end_s":7448,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":7333,"topic_label":7334,"target_id":7449,"target_proposition":7450,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":7451,"indexable":702},1128,"195330","Aumentó nominalmente, de acuerdo con la ley de responsabilidad fiscal.",6454.02,6461.14,"5baa5378-c393-45fb-b84a-7d18fbd0f922","evaluar la variación nominal de la deuda según la Ley de Responsabilidad Fiscal","justifica el aumento nominal citando la LRF como criterio.",{"idx":7453,"utterance_id":7454,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7455,"start_s":7456,"end_s":7457,"word_count":184,"topic_slug":7333,"topic_label":7334,"target_id":7434,"target_proposition":7435,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":7458,"indexable":702},1129,"195331","Hoy, Minas es un estado que tiene la salud financiera mucho mejor de lo que tenía hace ocho años.",6461.38,6467.7,"compara la situación actual positiva y defiende el resultado de su gestión.",{"idx":7460,"utterance_id":7461,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7462,"start_s":7463,"end_s":7464,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":7333,"topic_label":7334,"target_id":7465,"target_proposition":7466,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":7467,"indexable":74},1130,"195332","Tanto es así que se adhirió al Propag.",6467.82,6469.76,"45cd6b5d-fe8a-40fe-8bb9-e5a0ef485064","renegociar la deuda pública estatal con la Unión para reducir el servicio de la deuda","informa que el estado se adhirió al Propag como criterio de refinanciamiento.",{"idx":7469,"utterance_id":7470,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7471,"start_s":7472,"end_s":7473,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},1131,"195333","Y uno de los criterios para obtener el refinanciamiento de aquello que estaba vencido.",6469.82,6475.86,{"idx":7475,"utterance_id":7476,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7477,"start_s":7478,"end_s":7479,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":7333,"topic_label":7334,"target_id":7434,"target_proposition":7435,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":7480,"indexable":702},1132,"195334","es exactamente ese saneamiento financiero que se hizo.",6476.2,6479.72,"atribuye al saneamiento financiero el refinanciamiento de deudas vencidas.",{"idx":7482,"utterance_id":7483,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7484,"start_s":7485,"end_s":7486,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1133,"195335","La siguiente pregunta aquí es de Luciara Santana.",6481.82,6484,{"idx":7488,"utterance_id":7489,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7490,"start_s":7491,"end_s":7492,"word_count":54,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7493,"target_proposition":7494,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":7495,"indexable":702},1134,"195336","Ella mandó lo siguiente, escuchamos a los candidatos hablar de PIB, SELIC, déficit, pero quien está en la fila del SUS quiere saber de médico, exámenes y agilidad en la atención.",6484.52,6493.1,"589495b3-ba79-4cce-a59a-426c582a6f9d","reducir el tiempo de espera para consultas, exámenes y cirugías en el SUS","presenta la demanda de la población por atención y agilidad en el SUS (pregunta).",{"idx":7497,"utterance_id":7498,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7499,"start_s":7500,"end_s":7501,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7502,"target_proposition":7503,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":7504,"indexable":702},1135,"195337","¿Qué haría usted para mejorar la salud?",6493.12,6495.18,"0adb41cc-7eab-4923-b6af-abf802db6bb8","facilitar el acceso de las familias a servicios de salud","pregunta qué haría el candidato para mejorar la salud pública.",{"idx":7506,"utterance_id":7507,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7508,"start_s":7509,"end_s":7510,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7511,"target_proposition":7512,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":7513,"indexable":702},1136,"195338","Mira, en Brasil lo que necesitamos es tener ese camino de llevar puestos de salud, unidades básicas de salud a todas las ciudades, a todos los barrios.",6497.28,6511.58,"c6bdf562-0b14-4508-b546-9353575b85b9","expandir la red de atención básica (UBS) para cubrir todas las ciudades y barrios","propone llevar UBS a todas las ciudades y barrios explícitamente.",{"idx":7515,"utterance_id":7516,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7517,"start_s":7518,"end_s":7519,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7511,"target_proposition":7512,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":7520,"indexable":702},1137,"195339","La salud tiene que estar... cerca de la puerta de cada brasileño.",6512.96,6518.38,"defiende que la salud debe estar cerca del hogar de cada brasileño.",{"idx":7522,"utterance_id":7523,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7524,"start_s":7525,"end_s":7526,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7511,"target_proposition":7512,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":7527,"indexable":74},1138,"195340","Y eso fue lo que hice.",6519.44,6520.38,"afirma haber hecho la expansión ('E foi isso que eu fiz').",{"idx":7529,"utterance_id":7530,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7531,"start_s":7532,"end_s":7533,"word_count":149,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7511,"target_proposition":7512,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":7534,"indexable":702},1139,"195341","Más de 400 UBS, Unidades Básicas de Salud, para detectar precozmente cualquier enfermedad.",6521.32,6530.86,"cita haber implantado más de 400 UBS como acción de gobierno.",{"idx":7536,"utterance_id":7537,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7538,"start_s":7539,"end_s":7540,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1140,"195342","Una gripe, si queda mal curada, puede convertirse en una neumonía.",6531.66,6535.8,{"idx":7542,"utterance_id":7543,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7544,"start_s":7545,"end_s":7546,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},1141,"195343","Una mancha en la piel que permanece muchos años puede transformarse en un cáncer de piel.",6536.52,6541.82,{"idx":7548,"utterance_id":7549,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7550,"start_s":7551,"end_s":7552,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1142,"195344","Una alteración en la glucosa.",6542.56,6544.42,{"idx":7554,"utterance_id":7555,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7556,"start_s":7557,"end_s":7558,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1143,"195345","en la glicemia, puede convertirse en una diabetes.",6545.02,6548.62,{"idx":7560,"utterance_id":7561,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7562,"start_s":7563,"end_s":7564,"word_count":212,"indexable":74},1144,"195346","Y es con la unidad básica de salud cerca de la casa de cada brasileño que tenemos la condición de dar esa dignidad.",6548.64,6558.1,{"idx":7566,"utterance_id":7567,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7568,"start_s":7569,"end_s":7570,"word_count":184,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7571,"target_proposition":7572,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":7573,"indexable":702},1145,"195347","Además, multiplicamos la tabla del SUS para todos los hospitales para acabar con la fila de cirugías electivas.",6558.58,6569.72,"b87bd2b7-6670-4f59-b546-7f0600488f7c","aumentar el presupuesto federal para el Ministerio de Salud","afirma haber multiplicado la tabla del SUS para acabar con las listas de espera de cirugías.",{"idx":7575,"utterance_id":7576,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7577,"start_s":7578,"end_s":7579,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7571,"target_proposition":7572,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":7580,"indexable":702},1146,"195348","Lo que eran años, hoy se ha transformado en... pocos meses y se puede hacer lo mismo en Brasil.",6570.32,6578.96,"defiende que la reducción de filas lograda puede aplicarse en todo Brasil.",{"idx":7582,"utterance_id":7583,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7584,"start_s":7585,"end_s":7586,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7587,"target_proposition":7588,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":7589,"indexable":702},1147,"195349","Antes iba dinero a hospitales de amigos de políticos.",6579.6,6583.64,"f3371e75-bb5c-4258-aa5a-0175faf09d64","destinar recursos públicos a hospitales por criterios técnicos y de eficiencia","critica las transferencias a 'hospitais de amigos' y defiende la asignación por eficiencia.",{"idx":7591,"utterance_id":7592,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7593,"start_s":7594,"end_s":7595,"word_count":155,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7587,"target_proposition":7588,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":7596,"indexable":702},1148,"195350","En mi gestión fue dinero para hospitales de quienes curan, de quienes operan mucho.",6584.3,6590.94,"afirma que su gestión dirigió recursos a hospitales que prestan servicios efectivos.",{"idx":7598,"utterance_id":7599,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7600,"start_s":7601,"end_s":7602,"word_count":161,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":709,"target_proposition":710,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":7603,"indexable":702},1149,"195351","Llevé el SAMU a todos los municipios del Estado, lo mismo que en el resto de Brasil.",6591.56,6597.26,"afirma haber llevado el SAMU a todos los municipios del estado.",{"idx":7605,"utterance_id":7606,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7607,"start_s":7608,"end_s":7609,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1150,"195352","El SAMU es importantísimo.",6597.7,6599.18,{"idx":7611,"utterance_id":7612,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7613,"start_s":7614,"end_s":7615,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},1151,"195353","Muchas veces, 30 minutos son la diferencia entre la vida y la muerte.",6599.68,6604.3,{"idx":7617,"utterance_id":7618,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7619,"start_s":7620,"end_s":7621,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7622,"target_proposition":7623,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":7624,"indexable":74},1152,"195354","Hoy, en el Estado, todos los municipios cuentan con atención por helicóptero.",6604.92,6611.88,"56fd6449-cfe3-44f0-a40b-ec239f1c6f68","expandir la red pública de salud y reducir muertes evitables","afirma que todos los municipios tienen atención por helicóptero para traslados rápidos.",{"idx":7626,"utterance_id":7627,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7628,"start_s":7629,"end_s":7630,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1153,"195355","Si hay un accidente grave, alguien necesita ser trasladado.",6612.24,6616.28,{"idx":7632,"utterance_id":7633,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7634,"start_s":7635,"end_s":7636,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1154,"195356","En pocos minutos, ese traslado se realiza.",6616.58,6619.38,{"idx":7638,"utterance_id":7639,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7640,"start_s":7641,"end_s":7642,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1155,"195357","Antes, se tardaba horas.",6619.46,6620.66,{"idx":7644,"utterance_id":7645,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7646,"start_s":7647,"end_s":7648,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1156,"195358","O alguien podía morir.",6621.24,6622.7,{"idx":7650,"utterance_id":7651,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7652,"start_s":7653,"end_s":7654,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1157,"195359","o quedaba con secuelas gravísimas.",6623.32,6625.96,{"idx":7656,"utterance_id":7657,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7658,"start_s":7659,"end_s":7660,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7661,"target_proposition":7662,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":7663,"indexable":74},1158,"195360","Y también es necesario disponer del medicamento.",6626.52,6628.66,"0c5efbb0-ad8e-4b3e-b906-491996d1b820","garantizar la disponibilidad de medicamentos esenciales en el sistema público de salud","defiende la necesidad de medicamentos y afirma un aumento en la disponibilidad.",{"idx":7665,"utterance_id":7666,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7667,"start_s":7668,"end_s":7669,"word_count":96,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7661,"target_proposition":7662,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":7670,"indexable":74},1159,"195361","Antes no había nada.",6628.96,6629.84,"contrasta la falta anterior con la disponibilidad actual de medicamentos.",{"idx":7672,"utterance_id":7673,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7674,"start_s":7675,"end_s":7676,"word_count":155,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7677,"target_proposition":7678,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":7679,"indexable":74},1160,"195362","Asumí un Estado arruinado, que no tenía ni siquiera dinero para la nómina.",6629.86,6634.76,"20ccc337-b1ac-4643-bbd7-67d05c9f639e","informar la condición fiscal inicial del estado al asumir el gobierno","relata haber asumido un estado 'arruinado' sin recursos para la nómina (relato).",{"idx":7681,"utterance_id":7682,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7683,"start_s":7684,"end_s":7685,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7661,"target_proposition":7662,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":7686,"indexable":74},1161,"195363","Hoy, más del 95% de los medicamentos están disponibles.",6635.2,6639.98,"afirma que hoy más del 95% de los medicamentos están disponibles.",{"idx":7688,"utterance_id":7689,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7690,"start_s":7691,"end_s":7692,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7511,"target_proposition":7512,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":718,"rationale":7693,"indexable":702},1162,"195364","Entonces ese es el Brasil que quiero para los brasileños.",6640.5,6644.02,"reafirma el deseo de tener médico cerca de casa y UBS accesible.",{"idx":7695,"utterance_id":7696,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7697,"start_s":7698,"end_s":7699,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},1163,"195365","El médico cerca de su casa, el medicamento disponible y que no falte.",6644.58,6651.12,{"idx":7701,"utterance_id":7702,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7703,"start_s":7704,"end_s":7705,"word_count":26,"indexable":74},1164,"195366","Un Brasil que trate con dignidad a quien, en el momento más difícil, necesita atención y muchas veces se queda esperando años, meses.",6652.42,6665.46,{"idx":7707,"utterance_id":7708,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7709,"start_s":7710,"end_s":7711,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1165,"195367","Entonces es posible.",6666.16,6667.64,{"idx":7713,"utterance_id":7714,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7715,"start_s":7716,"end_s":7717,"word_count":81,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7718,"target_proposition":7719,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":7720,"indexable":702},1166,"195368","Sí, con gestión, con gente competente, la salud del brasileño puede mejorar mucho y va a mejorar.",6667.78,6676.52,"3a779e9e-3a4e-4e95-a810-dfdae16c9b6a","modernizar la gestión de la salud pública","defiende una gestión competente como medio para mejorar la salud de los brasileños.",{"idx":7722,"utterance_id":7723,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7724,"start_s":7725,"end_s":7726,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},1167,"195369","Continuemos con este tema de salud; hablando de ciencia, hay un video de Emílio también, nuestro amigo Emílio envió una pregunta, otra pregunta de especialistas aquí.",6677.22,6685.78,{"idx":1696,"utterance_id":7728,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7729,"start_s":7730,"end_s":7731,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},"195370","Soy Emílio Garcia, de Blobologia y de los Tres Elementos, y voy a hacer una pregunta al candidato Zema.",6686.1,6700.82,{"idx":7733,"utterance_id":7734,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7735,"start_s":7736,"end_s":7737,"word_count":212,"indexable":74},1169,"195371","Mi pregunta está ligada al área de la salud, principalmente al problema de vacunación que estamos teniendo en Brasil y en el mundo.",6701.36,6708.6,{"idx":7739,"utterance_id":7740,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7741,"start_s":7742,"end_s":7743,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},1170,"195372","Sabemos que la ola de negacionismo provocó que la tasa de vacunación cayera a niveles preocupantes.",6709.16,6715.32,{"idx":7745,"utterance_id":7746,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7747,"start_s":7748,"end_s":7749,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},1171,"195373","Así que tuvimos el regreso de enfermedades como el sarampión en el estado de São Paulo justamente porque necesitamos una tasa de vacunación muy alta.",6716.04,6723.86,{"idx":7751,"utterance_id":7752,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7753,"start_s":7754,"end_s":7755,"word_count":343,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7756,"target_proposition":7757,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":7758,"indexable":702},1172,"195374","Para volver a ese nivel de tasa de vacunación, necesitamos invertir tanto en la producción de vacunas —dejamos de ser un productor relevante y hemos vuelto a serlo en los últimos cuatro años— como hacer mucha difusión sobre ello.",6724.5,6738.14,"d1b94c05-fafc-480c-924c-da06ef1a4d39","fortalecer la producción nacional de vacunas y la prevención de enfermedades endémicas","afirma que hay que invertir tanto en producción como en campañas para recuperar la cobertura.",{"idx":7760,"utterance_id":7761,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7762,"start_s":7763,"end_s":7764,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7765,"target_proposition":7766,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":7767,"indexable":74},1173,"195375","Entonces mi pregunta para el candidato es: ¿cuál es la expectativa de inversión para que seamos soberanos en cuanto a la producción de vacunas?",6738.54,6746.76,"b7e88ad1-af5b-4564-a134-95a2922ffa5e","definir expectativa de inversión para la producción nacional de vacunas","pregunta al candidato cuál es la expectativa de inversión para la producción de vacunas.",{"idx":7769,"utterance_id":7770,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7771,"start_s":7772,"end_s":7773,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1174,"195376","¿Qué planea para nuestro país?",6747.08,6749.34,{"idx":7775,"utterance_id":7776,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7777,"start_s":7778,"end_s":7779,"word_count":149,"topic_slug":7322,"topic_label":7323,"target_id":7780,"target_proposition":7781,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":7782,"indexable":74},1175,"195377","¿Cómo se llevará a cabo esa inversión dentro de ese plan de austeridad que él defiende?",6749.5,6754.4,"8e4a04f9-fae0-4cfa-b16b-88e675c4500e","conciliar inversión en producción de vacunas con políticas de austeridad","cuestiona cómo la inversión en vacunas encajará en un plan de austeridad.",{"idx":7784,"utterance_id":7785,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7786,"start_s":7787,"end_s":7788,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7789,"target_proposition":7790,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":2399,"rationale":7791,"indexable":74},1176,"195378","Y la segunda cosa es: necesitamos vacunar a más del 95% de las personas para el sarampión, por ejemplo.",6754.86,6761.52,"ff7108ca-765e-4ec1-8340-61cea544bd91","hacer obligatoria la vacunación infantil","plantea la cuestión de elección individual frente a la necesidad colectiva de vacunación.",{"idx":7793,"utterance_id":7794,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7795,"start_s":7796,"end_s":7797,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},1177,"195379","¿Cómo combinamos esta idea de que la vacunación es un acto colectivo?",6762.06,6767.02,{"idx":7799,"utterance_id":7800,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7801,"start_s":7802,"end_s":7803,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1178,"195380","con la defensa de las individualidades que propone el candidato.",6767.48,6770.36,{"idx":7805,"utterance_id":7806,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7807,"start_s":7808,"end_s":7809,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1179,"195381","Entonces, ¿la vacunación infantil puede ser una elección?",6770.38,6774.46,{"idx":7811,"utterance_id":7812,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7813,"start_s":7814,"end_s":7815,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1180,"195382","¿Elección de quién?",6774.5,6775.2,{"idx":7817,"utterance_id":7818,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7819,"start_s":7820,"end_s":7821,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1181,"195383","¿Elección de los padres?",6775.28,6776.22,{"idx":7823,"utterance_id":7824,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7825,"start_s":7826,"end_s":7827,"word_count":212,"indexable":74},1182,"195384","Entonces, ¿cómo maneja él esta cuestión de la elección individual frente a algo que solo tiene efecto si vacunamos a muchas personas?",6776.24,6783.7,{"idx":7829,"utterance_id":7830,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7831,"start_s":7832,"end_s":7833,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1183,"195385","Eso es todo, gracias por la invitación y estaré viendo la respuesta, ¿eh?",6784.1,6786.98,{"idx":7835,"utterance_id":7836,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7837,"start_s":7838,"end_s":7839,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1184,"195386","Gracias, Emílio.",6790.14,6791.06,{"idx":7841,"utterance_id":7842,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7843,"start_s":7844,"end_s":7845,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7756,"target_proposition":7757,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":7846,"indexable":702},1185,"195387","Emílio, Brasil necesita, creo que incluso por una cuestión de seguridad nacional, tener esa inversión en vacunas.",6792.24,6802.46,"declara explícitamente que Brasil necesita invertir en vacunas.",{"idx":7848,"utterance_id":7849,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7850,"start_s":7851,"end_s":7852,"word_count":54,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7756,"target_proposition":7757,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":7853,"indexable":702},1186,"195388","Eso se hizo muy visible durante la pandemia, cuando aquellos países que tenían capacidad de producirse quedaron en una situación mucho más cómoda que los otros que dependen.",6803.28,6818.04,"usa la pandemia como justificación para priorizar la producción nacional.",{"idx":7855,"utterance_id":7856,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7857,"start_s":7858,"end_s":7859,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7756,"target_proposition":7757,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":7860,"indexable":702},1187,"195389","Tenemos en Brasil algunas instituciones, en São Paulo, en Río, la Funed, en Minas Gerais, que produce vacunas, que en mi gobierno recibió toda la atención e, inclusive, después de 10 años logró poner en producción una línea que estaba ahí y que nadie había logrado viabilizar.",6818.92,6842.68,"afirma haber apoyado instituciones que pusieron líneas de producción en funcionamiento.",{"idx":7862,"utterance_id":7863,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7864,"start_s":7865,"end_s":7866,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1188,"195390","Así, contribuyendo a la salud de todo Brasil con la producción.",6843.38,6848.12,{"idx":7868,"utterance_id":7869,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7870,"start_s":7871,"end_s":7872,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1189,"195391","de vacunas y sueros.",6848.68,6850.5,{"idx":7874,"utterance_id":7875,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7876,"start_s":7877,"end_s":7878,"word_count":272,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7879,"target_proposition":7880,"stance":1302,"stance_confidence":887,"rationale":7881,"indexable":702},1190,"195392","Soy partidario de la vacunación; vacuné contra la Covid a mis hijos, lo recomendé, estoy a favor de la campaña, a favor de la concienciación; solo no estoy a favor de llevar a prisión a alguien que se niegue a vacunarse.",6850.52,6872.52,"0a509198-b308-4ab3-a20d-aa25a486c0a0","transformar la no vacunación en delito","afirma explícitamente que está en contra de encarcelar a quien se niega a vacunarse.",{"idx":7883,"utterance_id":7884,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7885,"start_s":7886,"end_s":7887,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7888,"target_proposition":7889,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":756,"rationale":7890,"indexable":74},1191,"195393","Pero hay que hacer todo esfuerzo.",6873.16,6876.66,"dbe8be61-35a1-4c1f-b99c-8a4f60e360ef","implementar incentivos financieros a municipios para aumentar la cobertura vacunal","declara que 'todo esforço precisa ser feito' para mejorar la vacunación.",{"idx":7892,"utterance_id":7893,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7894,"start_s":7895,"end_s":7896,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1192,"195394","Pero soy alguien que respeta los derechos individuales.",6877.3,6881.12,{"idx":7898,"utterance_id":7899,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7900,"start_s":7901,"end_s":7902,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1193,"195395","Y, en mi opinión, no es discriminando a alguien que vamos a lograr mejoras en la salud.",6882.02,6889.68,{"idx":7904,"utterance_id":7905,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7906,"start_s":7907,"end_s":7908,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1194,"195396","Creo que vale la concienciación, creo que vale la aclaración.",6889.76,6894.6,{"idx":7910,"utterance_id":7911,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7912,"start_s":7913,"end_s":7914,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1195,"195397","Son campañas.",6895.12,6895.98,{"idx":7916,"utterance_id":7917,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7918,"start_s":7919,"end_s":7920,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1196,"195398","Estamos en una democracia.",6896.24,6897.72,{"idx":7922,"utterance_id":7923,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7924,"start_s":7925,"end_s":7926,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},1197,"195399","¿O acaso lo que queremos aquí es lo contrario a una democracia?",6898.1,6902.66,{"idx":7928,"utterance_id":7929,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7930,"start_s":7931,"end_s":7932,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1198,"195400","¿Es obligar?",6903.1,6904.18,{"idx":7934,"utterance_id":7935,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7936,"start_s":7937,"end_s":7938,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},1199,"195401","a hacer algo en lo que no cree, que va totalmente contra su credo.",6904.72,6911.96,{"idx":7940,"utterance_id":7941,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7942,"start_s":7943,"end_s":7944,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1200,"195402","Entonces, me inclino mucho por esa línea, Emílio.",6912.52,6914.9,{"idx":7946,"utterance_id":7947,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7948,"start_s":7949,"end_s":7950,"word_count":184,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":7951,"target_proposition":7952,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":7953,"indexable":702},1201,"195403","Y esa producción de vacunas, para concluir, en mi opinión, es estratégica para un país del tamaño de Brasil.",6916.86,6925.62,"8663f408-6c9c-453e-87fa-106f529a33ec","fomentar asociaciones entre universidades federales y el sector farmacéutico para investigación y producción de vacunas","defiende el acercamiento universidad-sector productivo para viabilizar la producción de vacunas.",{"idx":7955,"utterance_id":7956,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7957,"start_s":7958,"end_s":7959,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},1202,"195404","Tenemos aquí una población que hace viable prácticamente la producción de cualquier tipo de vacuna.",6925.8,6932.58,{"idx":7961,"utterance_id":7962,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7963,"start_s":7964,"end_s":7965,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1203,"195405","Ahí hay una ganancia económica que podríamos tener.",6932.6,6937.2,{"idx":7967,"utterance_id":7968,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7969,"start_s":7970,"end_s":7971,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1204,"195406","Es traer más investigación, que las universidades federales trabajen junto",6937.96,6944.2,{"idx":7973,"utterance_id":7974,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7975,"start_s":7976,"end_s":7977,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},1205,"195407","con el sector farmacéutico, algo que hoy no ocurre con la intensidad que podría.",6944.78,6950.72,{"idx":7979,"utterance_id":7980,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7981,"start_s":7982,"end_s":7983,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1206,"195408","Digo que en Brasil desperdiciamos muchas grandes oportunidades.",6951.28,6955.86,{"idx":7985,"utterance_id":7986,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7987,"start_s":7988,"end_s":7989,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":2026,"topic_label":2027,"target_id":7990,"target_proposition":7991,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":7992,"indexable":702},1207,"195409","La universidad hoy pone cara de asco ante el sector productivo.",6956.44,6961.64,"1d6659e2-e88d-44d6-88f7-8bf60311d8b9","fortalecer la interacción entre instituciones académicas y el sector productivo para la innovación","critica el distanciamiento entre la universidad y el sector productivo y pide acercamiento.",{"idx":7994,"utterance_id":7995,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":7996,"start_s":7997,"end_s":7998,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},1208,"195410","La universidad, principalmente la federal, dijo que el sector productivo da asco.",6961.86,6966.5,{"idx":8000,"utterance_id":8001,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8002,"start_s":8003,"end_s":8004,"word_count":26,"indexable":74},1209,"195411","Pero debemos recordar: hoy tenemos una Embraer que nació debido a esa cercanía entre la investigación académica y el sector productivo.",6966.96,6976.58,{"idx":8006,"utterance_id":8007,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8008,"start_s":8009,"end_s":8010,"word_count":32,"indexable":74},1210,"195412","Entonces, creo que debemos romper ese tabú que existe: el sector productivo busca lucro, pero es a través de una sociedad que genera más riqueza que la vida de todos mejorará.",6976.6,6988.94,{"idx":8012,"utterance_id":8013,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8014,"start_s":8015,"end_s":8016,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1211,"195413","Ahora vamos a hablar de geopolítica.",6990.36,6992.24,{"idx":8018,"utterance_id":8019,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8020,"start_s":8021,"end_s":8022,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},1212,"195414","Pásale la palabra a nuestro amigo que siempre está aquí todos los martes en el noticiero, Marcílio.",6992.4,6996.46,{"idx":8024,"utterance_id":8025,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8026,"start_s":8027,"end_s":8028,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1213,"195415","Haz la pregunta, por favor.",6996.52,6997.54,{"idx":8030,"utterance_id":8031,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8032,"start_s":8033,"end_s":8034,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1214,"195416","Zema, un placer.",7003.58,7004.26,{"idx":8036,"utterance_id":8037,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8038,"start_s":8039,"end_s":8040,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},1215,"195417","Mi nombre es Ricardo, Ricardo Marcílio, y soy profesor de Geografía y Geopolítica.",7004.44,7007.78,{"idx":8042,"utterance_id":8043,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8044,"start_s":8045,"end_s":8046,"word_count":54,"indexable":74},1216,"195418","En este momento sabemos que Estados Unidos y China son prácticamente antagónicos en todos los puntos geopolíticos internacionales y que América Latina está en el centro de esa disputa.",7008.4,7016.68,{"idx":8048,"utterance_id":8049,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8050,"start_s":8051,"end_s":8052,"word_count":266,"indexable":74},1217,"195419","Existen varios puntos de discordancia entre ambos, pero para no perdernos demasiado en la pregunta, quiero centrarme específicamente en dos: el sector financiero y el sector militar.",7017.24,7025.8,{"idx":8054,"utterance_id":8055,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8056,"start_s":8057,"end_s":8058,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},1218,"195420","Desde el punto de vista financiero, Brasil, por ejemplo, tiene la idea del PIX.",7026.42,7029.8,{"idx":8060,"utterance_id":8061,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8062,"start_s":8063,"end_s":8064,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1219,"195421","del BRICS Pay, que son mecanismos de pago que Estados Unidos seguramente no apoyan.",7030.3,7036.12,{"idx":8066,"utterance_id":8067,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8068,"start_s":8069,"end_s":8070,"word_count":201,"indexable":74},1220,"195422","Además de que Brasil apoya también una desdolarización, colocando otras monedas, como el euro o el propio yuan, como nuestras reservas internacionales.",7036.58,7043.92,{"idx":8072,"utterance_id":8073,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8074,"start_s":8075,"end_s":8076,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},1221,"195423","¿Apoya que Estados Unidos pueda intervenir en nuestro PIX y apoya que Brasil abandone esa idea de desdolarización?",7044.76,7052.34,{"idx":8078,"utterance_id":8079,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8080,"start_s":8081,"end_s":8082,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},1222,"195424","Otro punto importante: Estados Unidos clasificó a grupos como el PCC y el CV como grupos terroristas.",7053.08,7058.8,{"idx":8084,"utterance_id":8085,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8086,"start_s":8087,"end_s":8088,"word_count":123,"indexable":74},1223,"195425","Incluso en varios países existe la perspectiva de una cooperación militar entre Estados Unidos y el país, no siempre con la autonomía total del Estado receptor de esa intervención estadounidense, para prácticas militares contra esas organizaciones criminales.",7059.4,7072.3,{"idx":8090,"utterance_id":8091,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8092,"start_s":8093,"end_s":8094,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},1224,"195426","¿Apoya una cooperación militar entre Brasil y Estados Unidos con militares estadounidenses actuando en suelo brasileño para combatir a esas organizaciones?",7072.94,7080.74,{"idx":8096,"utterance_id":8097,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8098,"start_s":8099,"end_s":8100,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1225,"195427","Es decir... PIX, desdolarización y actuación de militares estadounidenses.",7081.28,7085.84,{"idx":8102,"utterance_id":8103,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8104,"start_s":8105,"end_s":8106,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1226,"195428","¿Está de acuerdo?",7086.22,7086.8,{"idx":8108,"utterance_id":8109,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8110,"start_s":8111,"end_s":8112,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1227,"195429","Gracias, Ricardo.",7086.88,7089.52,{"idx":8114,"utterance_id":8115,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8116,"start_s":8117,"end_s":8118,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1228,"195430","Ricardo, sigamos por el orden.",7091.22,7093.28,{"idx":8120,"utterance_id":8121,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8122,"start_s":8123,"end_s":8124,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1229,"195431","PIX.",7093.46,7093.7,{"idx":8126,"utterance_id":8127,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8128,"start_s":8129,"end_s":8130,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":8131,"topic_label":8132,"target_id":8133,"target_proposition":8134,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":8135,"indexable":74},1230,"195432","El PIX es una conquista de Brasil.",7094.22,7095.98,"politica-monetaria-meios-de-pagamento","Política Monetaria \u002F Medios de Pago","36e9d88d-9dae-4abf-a221-4a7ecbe10afa","defender y promover el PIX como sistema de pagos nacional e internacionalizarlo","Defiende que nadie va a 'tirar o Pix' y elogia su uso y aceptación nacional.",{"idx":8137,"utterance_id":8138,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8139,"start_s":8140,"end_s":8141,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1231,"195433","Los brasileños lo aprobaron y les gustó.",7096.82,7099.32,{"idx":8143,"utterance_id":8144,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8145,"start_s":8146,"end_s":8147,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},1232,"195434","Y no hay país en el mundo que venga a quitarnos nuestro PIX porque a alguien le disgustó, porque tenía allí la tarjeta de débito o de crédito.",7099.66,7108.64,{"idx":8149,"utterance_id":8150,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8151,"start_s":8152,"end_s":8153,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},1233,"195435","Es algo que está consolidado, que yo uso, que quienes nos están acompañando usan.",7109.18,7114.12,{"idx":8155,"utterance_id":8156,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8157,"start_s":8158,"end_s":8159,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},1234,"195436","Y me parece una tontería que Estados Unidos cuestione un avance tecnológico.",7115,7121.16,{"idx":8161,"utterance_id":8162,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8163,"start_s":8164,"end_s":8165,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1235,"195437","Creo que deberían copiar el PIX allá.",7121.22,7124.46,{"idx":8167,"utterance_id":8168,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8169,"start_s":8170,"end_s":8171,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1236,"195438","Estoy seguro de que al estadounidense le gustaría.",7124.82,7127.18,{"idx":8173,"utterance_id":8174,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8175,"start_s":8176,"end_s":8177,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},1237,"195439","Y a veces incluso nuestro Banco Central, Brasil, podría tener algún beneficio con eso, ya que es un sistema.",7127.64,7134.5,{"idx":8179,"utterance_id":8180,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8181,"start_s":8182,"end_s":8183,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},1238,"195440","que nos da mucho orgullo y que vino a facilitar nuestra vida.",7134.98,7138.76,{"idx":8185,"utterance_id":8186,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8187,"start_s":8188,"end_s":8189,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1239,"195441","Cuestionar el dólar.",7140.8,7142.36,{"idx":8191,"utterance_id":8192,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8193,"start_s":8194,"end_s":8195,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},1240,"195442","He dicho aquí, Ricardo: ¿va a mejorar nuestra vida cambiar el sistema métrico por el sistema de pulgadas?",7142.38,7153.34,{"idx":8197,"utterance_id":8198,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8199,"start_s":8200,"end_s":8201,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":8202,"topic_label":8203,"target_id":8204,"target_proposition":8205,"stance":1302,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":8206,"indexable":702},1241,"195443","El dólar ya está ahí, usado desde hace años, sirve como referencia.",7154.74,7158.82,"politica-cambial","Política Cambiaria","970f078b-f524-4be0-9705-b8d23f249cdf","reducir la dependencia del dólar como referencia internacional","Cuestiona si adoptar yuan\u002Feuro mejoraría la vida y rechaza una amplia desdolarización.",{"idx":8208,"utterance_id":8209,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8210,"start_s":8211,"end_s":8212,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},1242,"195444","¿Acaso tener el yuan, tener el euro como medida?",7158.86,7164.3,{"idx":8214,"utterance_id":8215,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8216,"start_s":8217,"end_s":8218,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1243,"195445","¿Mejora nuestra vida?",7164.9,7166.02,{"idx":8220,"utterance_id":8221,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8222,"start_s":8223,"end_s":8224,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1244,"195446","En mi opinión, no.",7166.08,7167.02,{"idx":8226,"utterance_id":8227,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8228,"start_s":8229,"end_s":8230,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1245,"195447","Y ha servido para represalias por parte de Estados Unidos.",7167.56,7173.1,{"idx":8232,"utterance_id":8233,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8234,"start_s":8235,"end_s":8236,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":8202,"topic_label":8203,"target_id":8237,"target_proposition":8238,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":8239,"indexable":702},1246,"195448","Entonces, lo cuestiono: creo que Brasil debe invertir en aquellas monedas.",7173.84,7179.92,"9ab548de-e44b-4090-9462-bd9334896063","diversificar las reservas internacionales considerando seguridad y rentabilidad","Propone que el BC analice dónde asignar las reservas por seguridad y mayor rendimiento.",{"idx":8241,"utterance_id":8242,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8243,"start_s":8244,"end_s":8245,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1247,"195449","en las que el retorno sea mayor y donde sea más seguro.",7180.64,7183.88,{"idx":8247,"utterance_id":8248,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8249,"start_s":8250,"end_s":8251,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},1248,"195450","Y eso lo tienen que analizar los técnicos del Banco Central para decidir dónde ubicar las reservas.",7183.9,7189.1,{"idx":8253,"utterance_id":8254,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8255,"start_s":8256,"end_s":8257,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},1249,"195451","Ahora el comercio internacional generalmente se mide todo en dólares, por una cuestión histórica, de la misma manera que usamos el metro aquí y no las pulgadas.",7189.62,7200.66,{"idx":8259,"utterance_id":8260,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8261,"start_s":8262,"end_s":8263,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1250,"195452","Entonces, lo que está funcionando para mí debe mantenerse.",7200.76,7205.32,{"idx":8265,"utterance_id":8266,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8267,"start_s":8268,"end_s":8269,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":8270,"topic_label":8271,"target_id":8272,"target_proposition":8273,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":8274,"indexable":702},1251,"195453","Vamos a cambiar la salud que no funciona bien.",7205.4,7208.58,"servicos-publicos-essenciais-saude-educacao-seguranca","Servicios públicos esenciales (salud, educación, seguridad)","414bf41f-d5ec-4af1-94aa-9f30e3001938","priorizar reformas para mejorar los servicios públicos de salud y educación","Critica el enfoque en la desdolarización y pide cambios en una salud y educación deficientes.",{"idx":8276,"utterance_id":8277,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8278,"start_s":8279,"end_s":8280,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1252,"195454","Vamos a cambiar la educación, donde estamos en últimos lugares.",7209.04,7212.72,{"idx":8282,"utterance_id":8283,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8284,"start_s":8285,"end_s":8286,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1253,"195455","¿Por qué Lula no habla de cambiar eso?",7212.98,7214.92,{"idx":8288,"utterance_id":8289,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8290,"start_s":8291,"end_s":8292,"word_count":201,"indexable":74},1254,"195456","Porque creo que él quiere que todo el mundo continúe donde está, con una salud deficiente, con una educación que no funciona.",7216.24,7222.1,{"idx":8294,"utterance_id":8295,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8296,"start_s":8297,"end_s":8298,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},1255,"195457","Se la pasa hablando de cambiar el dólar, que poco hace diferencia en nuestra vida.",7222.38,7227.36,{"idx":8300,"utterance_id":8301,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8302,"start_s":8303,"end_s":8304,"word_count":155,"topic_slug":4513,"topic_label":4514,"target_id":8305,"target_proposition":8306,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":8307,"indexable":702},1256,"195458","Y quiero cooperación internacional para combatir al crimen organizado y a las facciones, sí.",7228.58,7234.8,"c45f23d5-5a76-4dec-87a9-09b8340ac565","cooperar militarmente con países extranjeros para combatir el crimen organizado en la región","Apoya la cooperación internacional y operaciones conjuntas contra facciones criminales.",{"idx":8309,"utterance_id":8310,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8311,"start_s":8312,"end_s":8313,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1257,"195459","que voy a encuadrar como lo hacen los Estados Unidos, como grupos terroristas.",7235.38,7240.22,{"idx":8315,"utterance_id":8316,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8317,"start_s":8318,"end_s":8319,"word_count":26,"indexable":74},1258,"195460","Quiero militares de Brasil trabajando en conjunto, en operaciones en toda la Amazonía, en Brasil, en Bolivia, en Colombia, en Perú, contra el narcotráfico.",7241.48,7257.22,{"idx":8321,"utterance_id":8322,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8323,"start_s":8324,"end_s":8325,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1259,"195461","Si llega ayuda de Europa, que la hay.",7258.12,7260.14,{"idx":8327,"utterance_id":8328,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8329,"start_s":8330,"end_s":8331,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1260,"195462","si viene ayuda de América del Norte, serán muy bienvenidos.",7261.12,7265.5,{"idx":8333,"utterance_id":8334,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8335,"start_s":8336,"end_s":8337,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1261,"195463","Eso no viola la soberanía brasileña.",7265.6,7268.38,{"idx":8339,"utterance_id":8340,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8341,"start_s":8342,"end_s":8343,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},1262,"195464","Lo que está violando la soberanía brasileña es el control territorial de esas facciones criminales que considero terroristas.",7268.78,7277.06,{"idx":8345,"utterance_id":8346,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8347,"start_s":8348,"end_s":8349,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1263,"195465","Eso sí viola.",7277.86,7279.02,{"idx":8351,"utterance_id":8352,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8353,"start_s":8354,"end_s":8355,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},1264,"195466","¿Quién fue el que más aprobó aquella operación que hubo en Río de Janeiro en octubre del año pasado?",7280,7287.18,{"idx":8357,"utterance_id":8358,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8359,"start_s":8360,"end_s":8361,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1265,"195467","¿Quién vive en la comunidad?",7287.86,7289.86,{"idx":8363,"utterance_id":8364,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8365,"start_s":8366,"end_s":8367,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1266,"195468","Porque quienes viven en la comunidad son las víctimas de extorsión.",7290.28,7293.86,{"idx":8369,"utterance_id":8370,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8371,"start_s":8372,"end_s":8373,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},1267,"195469","Quizá no sea yo, quizá no seas tú, pero quienes viven allí pagan más caro por la energía, por el agua, por el internet.",7294.74,7303.42,{"idx":8375,"utterance_id":8376,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8377,"start_s":8378,"end_s":8379,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1268,"195470","Están sujetos a todo tipo de abuso por parte de esos criminales.",7304.18,7308.74,{"idx":8381,"utterance_id":8382,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8383,"start_s":8384,"end_s":8385,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},1269,"195471","Brasil habla, bueno, no Brasil, esos políticos vendidos hablan tanto de soberanía.",7309.44,7316.14,{"idx":8387,"utterance_id":8388,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8389,"start_s":8390,"end_s":8391,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},1270,"195472","Pero olvidan que ya hemos perdido la soberanía por el crimen organizado aquí.",7316.94,7321.76,{"idx":8393,"utterance_id":8394,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8395,"start_s":8396,"end_s":8397,"word_count":54,"indexable":74},1271,"195473","Estuve allí en Ceará, en las ciudades más violentas de Brasil, y coincidencia o no, los estados que tienen mayor tasa de homicidios, de criminalidad, ¿están gobernados por quién?",7322.32,7335.06,{"idx":8399,"utterance_id":8400,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8401,"start_s":8402,"end_s":8403,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1272,"195474","Por el PT.",7335.72,7336.58,{"idx":8405,"utterance_id":8406,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8407,"start_s":8408,"end_s":8409,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},1273,"195475","No sé si es coincidencia, pero ahí está el caso de Bahia, el caso de Ceará, que son ejemplares.",7337.3,7343.94,{"idx":8411,"utterance_id":8412,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8413,"start_s":8414,"end_s":8415,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1274,"195476","Después de gobiernos del PT, el crimen prácticamente se salió de control.",7344.38,7350.26,{"idx":8417,"utterance_id":8418,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8419,"start_s":8420,"end_s":8421,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1275,"195477","Entonces, toda ayuda internacional será bienvenida.",7350.62,7354.84,{"idx":8423,"utterance_id":8424,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8425,"start_s":8426,"end_s":8427,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1276,"195478","Y no será solo de los Estados Unidos, no.",7354.86,7357.18,{"idx":8429,"utterance_id":8430,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8431,"start_s":8432,"end_s":8433,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},1277,"195479","Vamos a formar un grupo para combatir esas organizaciones y facciones que tienen tentáculos en todo el mundo.",7357.56,7365.42,{"idx":8435,"utterance_id":8436,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8437,"start_s":8438,"end_s":8439,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1278,"195480","Zema, te agradezco muchísimo.",7368.28,7369.36,{"idx":8441,"utterance_id":8442,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8443,"start_s":8444,"end_s":8445,"word_count":397,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":8446,"target_proposition":8447,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":8448,"indexable":702},1279,"195481","Para finalizar, una cuestión que se planteó, no sé si fue en el debate o en la sabatina de Globo: ¿cómo se pretende reducir la Selic a 6% anual sin generar un nuevo salto inflacionario, considerando que la tasa básica de interés refleja también las expectativas fiscales y cambiarias que escapan al control directo del Ejecutivo?",7370.24,7389.52,"e6a2a07d-0a1c-49c9-8834-5d0475590a62","reducir la tasa Selic","Declara explícitamente 'eu vou reduzir... a Selic' y lo vincula a la credibilidad.",{"idx":8450,"utterance_id":8451,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8452,"start_s":8453,"end_s":8454,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},1280,"195482","Voy a reducir... La Selic; con credibilidad, el mercado valora la credibilidad.",7393.66,7401.32,{"idx":8456,"utterance_id":8457,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8458,"start_s":8459,"end_s":8460,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1281,"195483","Cualquiera puede comprobarlo.",7401.5,7403.48,{"idx":8462,"utterance_id":8463,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8464,"start_s":8465,"end_s":8466,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1282,"195484","¿Están siguiendo la quiebra ahí, no?",7403.5,7405,{"idx":8468,"utterance_id":8469,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8470,"start_s":8471,"end_s":8472,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1283,"195485","Sí, ver lo que pasó.",7405.2,7407.82,{"idx":8474,"utterance_id":8475,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8476,"start_s":8477,"end_s":8478,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},1284,"195486","Fui elegido el día 28 de octubre de 19, 18, en realidad 18.",7408.6,7415.9,{"idx":8480,"utterance_id":8481,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8482,"start_s":8483,"end_s":8484,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},1285,"195487","De hecho, gané la primera vuelta tres semanas antes, entonces fue el 7 de octubre de 18.",7417.44,7421.94,{"idx":8486,"utterance_id":8487,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8488,"start_s":8489,"end_s":8490,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},1286,"195488","No recuerdo si fue el día que gané la primera vuelta o el día que gané la elección.",7423.88,7427.46,{"idx":8492,"utterance_id":8493,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8494,"start_s":8495,"end_s":8496,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},1287,"195489","Las acciones de las empresas de Minas, antes de que yo asumiera, yo ni siquiera había asumido.",7427.54,7433.56,{"idx":1844,"utterance_id":8498,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8499,"start_s":8500,"end_s":8501,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":8502,"topic_label":8503,"target_id":8504,"target_proposition":8505,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":8506,"indexable":702},"195490","Solo por haber sido elegido, y el mercado ya me conocía, sabe que soy un tipo.",7434.1,7438.96,"judiciario-combate-a-corrupcao","Poder Judicial \u002F Lucha contra la corrupción","2bbf647d-7d62-4cd3-bf3c-3b89fa787be7","combatir la corrupción y responsabilizar a los implicados","Afirma que el mercado precifica la credibilidad al ver combate a la corrupción.",{"idx":8508,"utterance_id":8509,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8510,"start_s":8511,"end_s":8512,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1289,"195491","El mercado ya se agitó.",7438.98,7439.74,{"idx":8514,"utterance_id":8515,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8516,"start_s":8517,"end_s":8518,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1290,"195492","Las empresas de Minas se valorizaron un 30%.",7439.76,7442.74,{"idx":8520,"utterance_id":8521,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8522,"start_s":8523,"end_s":8524,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1291,"195493","Solo por haber sido elegido.",7443.06,7446.12,{"idx":8526,"utterance_id":8527,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8528,"start_s":8529,"end_s":8530,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1292,"195494","No tomé ninguna medida, no había nombrado a nadie.",7446.14,7448.9,{"idx":8532,"utterance_id":8533,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8534,"start_s":8535,"end_s":8536,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1293,"195495","Faltaban aún 90 días para que yo asumiera el gobierno del Estado.",7449.1,7453.06,{"idx":8538,"utterance_id":8539,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8540,"start_s":8541,"end_s":8542,"word_count":331,"indexable":74},1294,"195496","Entonces, en el momento en que un presidente serio, que no está comprometido, que va a combatir a los intocables, que va a decir 'voy a combatir la corrupción, no voy a permitir que gente incompetente, gente mala permanezca en este gobierno', el mercado ya empieza a precificarlo.",7453.66,7471.28,{"idx":8544,"utterance_id":8545,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8546,"start_s":8547,"end_s":8548,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1295,"195497","Es exactamente lo que ocurre.",7473.34,7476.08,{"idx":8550,"utterance_id":8551,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8552,"start_s":8553,"end_s":8554,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1296,"195498","Ahora voy a tomar medidas.",7476.4,7477.78,{"idx":8556,"utterance_id":8557,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8558,"start_s":8559,"end_s":8560,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1297,"195499","Como gobernador tomé muchas y como presidente tomaré.",7479.42,7483.42,{"idx":8562,"utterance_id":8563,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8564,"start_s":8565,"end_s":8566,"word_count":155,"topic_slug":8567,"topic_label":8568,"target_id":8569,"target_proposition":8570,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":8571,"indexable":702},1298,"195500","Hoy tenemos allí 60 mil millones en enmiendas parlamentarias, sobre las cuales hay poco control.",7483.9,7490.1,"regulacao-e-transparencia-financeira","Regulación y transparencia financiera","46e9200d-b612-4f47-8e08-eff4fc322196","cohibir el uso indebido de enmiendas parlamentarias","Propone mayor fiscalización y aplicación criteriosa de las enmiendas parlamentarias.",{"idx":8573,"utterance_id":8574,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8575,"start_s":8576,"end_s":8577,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},1299,"195501","Respeto las enmiendas parlamentarias, pero deben aplicarse en buenos proyectos y ser fiscalizadas.",7491.12,7499.7,{"idx":8579,"utterance_id":8580,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8581,"start_s":8582,"end_s":8583,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1300,"195502","Corrupción, partidas extra, sueldos excesivos, fraudes por todos lados.",7500.6,7509.18,{"idx":8585,"utterance_id":8586,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8587,"start_s":8588,"end_s":8589,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},1301,"195503","Eso, nada, nada, nada, estamos hablando aún de más de 100 mil millones por año.",7509.82,7516.02,{"idx":8591,"utterance_id":8592,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8593,"start_s":8594,"end_s":8595,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1302,"195504","Y hay gente que dice que el presupuesto está rígido.",7516.96,7519.66,{"idx":8597,"utterance_id":8598,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8599,"start_s":8600,"end_s":8601,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1303,"195505","Sé lidiar con eso.",7519.96,7521.16,{"idx":8603,"utterance_id":8604,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8605,"start_s":8606,"end_s":8607,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1304,"195506","Hubo casos, porque la cosa funciona más o menos así.",7521.9,7525.52,{"idx":8609,"utterance_id":8610,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8611,"start_s":8612,"end_s":8613,"word_count":172,"indexable":74},1305,"195507","Alguien, el año pasado, gastó 10, este año hubo inflación, dice, voy a necesitar gastar 11.",7526.42,7532.56,{"idx":8615,"utterance_id":8616,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8617,"start_s":8618,"end_s":8619,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},1306,"195508","Hubo otro año más, otra inflación, dice, voy a necesitar gastar 12.",7533.44,7536.6,{"idx":8621,"utterance_id":8622,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8623,"start_s":8624,"end_s":8625,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1307,"195509","Y así sucesivamente.",7537.32,7538.62,{"idx":8627,"utterance_id":8628,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8629,"start_s":8630,"end_s":8631,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1308,"195510","Yo hice diferente.",7539.66,7540.98,{"idx":8633,"utterance_id":8634,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8635,"start_s":8636,"end_s":8637,"word_count":178,"indexable":74},1309,"195511","Hubo casos en mi gobierno en que el gasto llegó a cero, porque descubrimos que servía de poco.",7541.6,7550.34,{"idx":8639,"utterance_id":8640,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8641,"start_s":8642,"end_s":8643,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1310,"195512","Voy a dar aquí un ejemplo que recuerdo muy bien.",7551.42,7553.54,{"idx":8645,"utterance_id":8646,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8647,"start_s":8648,"end_s":8649,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":8650,"topic_label":8651,"target_id":8652,"target_proposition":8653,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":8654,"indexable":702},1311,"195513","Había un gasto grande allí en vigilancia de edificios públicos.",7553.56,7558.06,"previdencia-gestao-de-fundos-publicos","Previsión \u002F Gestión de Fondos Públicos","475ea3ea-3270-48ff-a3e3-062318552550","reducir gastos públicos superfluos y adoptar una gestión fiscal austera","Relata haber sustituido contratos y ahorrado decenas de millones con CFTV y monitoreo.",{"idx":8656,"utterance_id":8657,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8658,"start_s":8659,"end_s":8660,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1312,"195514","Instalamos CFTV, monitoreo, se acabó.",7559.02,7564.14,{"idx":8662,"utterance_id":8663,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8664,"start_s":8665,"end_s":8666,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1313,"195515","Decenas de millones ahorrados en un Estado.",7565.96,7569.02,{"idx":8668,"utterance_id":8669,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8670,"start_s":8671,"end_s":8672,"word_count":190,"indexable":74},1314,"195516","Teníamos contratos de mantenimiento diversos, que se hicieron para que alguien se hiciera rico y no para dar mantenimiento.",7570,7579.22,{"idx":8674,"utterance_id":8675,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8676,"start_s":8677,"end_s":8678,"word_count":201,"indexable":74},1315,"195517","Lo mismo que usted dice, quiero que se dé mantenimiento a este estudio, pero necesita tener el equipo tal, la aspiradora tal.",7579.92,7587.78,{"idx":8680,"utterance_id":8681,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8682,"start_s":8683,"end_s":8684,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1316,"195518","Y solo hay una empresa que lo tiene en Brasil.",7588.28,7590.12,{"idx":8686,"utterance_id":8687,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8688,"start_s":8689,"end_s":8690,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1317,"195519","¿Quién va a ganar?",7590.14,7591.28,{"idx":8692,"utterance_id":8693,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8694,"start_s":8695,"end_s":8696,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1318,"195520","Esa empresa.",7592.2,7592.86,{"idx":8698,"utterance_id":8699,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8700,"start_s":8701,"end_s":8702,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1319,"195521","Eso era lo que pasaba allí.",7593.14,7594.18,{"idx":8704,"utterance_id":8705,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8706,"start_s":8707,"end_s":8708,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1320,"195522","En el momento en que hicimos otro contrato, el precio cayó un 90%.",7594.92,7598.2,{"idx":8710,"utterance_id":8711,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8712,"start_s":8713,"end_s":8714,"word_count":136,"indexable":74},1321,"195523","Entonces, en el sector público hay un manantial de oportunidades de ahorro.",7599.54,7605.54,{"idx":8716,"utterance_id":8717,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8718,"start_s":8719,"end_s":8720,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":8502,"topic_label":8503,"target_id":8721,"target_proposition":8722,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":8723,"indexable":702},1322,"195524","El sector público en Brasil, usted que nos está acompañando aquí, fue hecho para enriquecer al amigo del rey.",7605.58,7612.96,"17444a71-f831-4746-a8bf-5d367b22835c","combatir privilegios y la impunidad en la administración pública","Critica prácticas de 'amigos do rei' y niega haber beneficiado a parientes en su gestión.",{"idx":8725,"utterance_id":8726,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8727,"start_s":8728,"end_s":8729,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},1323,"195525","Y yo no llevé a un pariente, nadie de mi familia hizo contrato con el Estado ni se benefició, como algunos ministros del STF, estamos viendo, lo hacen.",7613.72,7626.16,{"idx":8731,"utterance_id":8732,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8733,"start_s":8734,"end_s":8735,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1324,"195526","Lo que los ministros del STF... Lo hacen.",7626.58,7629.7,{"idx":8737,"utterance_id":8738,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8739,"start_s":8740,"end_s":8741,"word_count":212,"indexable":74},1325,"195527","Se hace allí en Brasilia por todos lados, principalmente en este gobierno de Lula y del PT, que no dice ni pío al respecto.",7630.88,7640.38,{"idx":8743,"utterance_id":8744,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8745,"start_s":8746,"end_s":8747,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1326,"195528","Ahí se hacen una idea de cuántos miles de millones se están yendo.",7640.76,7645.06,{"idx":8749,"utterance_id":8750,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8751,"start_s":8752,"end_s":8753,"word_count":109,"topic_slug":8754,"topic_label":8755,"target_id":8756,"target_proposition":8757,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":8758,"indexable":74},1327,"195529","Y voy a hacer una reforma administrativa.",7645.94,7649.54,"reforma-politica","Reforma política","aec53f40-e043-45ef-96c3-17def2dbe419","reducir el tamaño del Estado mediante reforma administrativa y privatizaciones","Anuncia que hará reforma administrativa y prevé un gran ahorro futuro.",{"idx":8760,"utterance_id":8761,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8762,"start_s":8763,"end_s":8764,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},1328,"195530","El sector público en Brasil solo se vuelve cada vez más hinchado, más gordo.",7650.44,7654.68,{"idx":8766,"utterance_id":8767,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8768,"start_s":8769,"end_s":8770,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1329,"195531","Conmigo habrá una diferencia.",7654.78,7657.02,{"idx":8772,"utterance_id":8773,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8774,"start_s":8775,"end_s":8776,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1330,"195532","Esa reforma está allí.",7657.4,7658.58,{"idx":8778,"utterance_id":8779,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8780,"start_s":8781,"end_s":8782,"word_count":125,"indexable":74},1331,"195533","avanzada, pero no hay un presidente que tenga coraje.",7659.08,7662.6,{"idx":8784,"utterance_id":8785,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8786,"start_s":8787,"end_s":8788,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1332,"195534","Yo lo tendré.",7662.8,7663.34,{"idx":8790,"utterance_id":8791,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8792,"start_s":8793,"end_s":8794,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":8754,"topic_label":8755,"target_id":8795,"target_proposition":8796,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":8797,"indexable":702},1333,"195535","Y va a ahorrar como mínimo 2 billones en los próximos 20 años.",7663.36,7668.94,"d7b71ab3-80fa-4e93-ac9d-55f63973748e","realizar reforma administrativa en los municipios","Estima un ahorro de al menos 2 billones en 20 años con la reforma administrativa.",{"idx":8799,"utterance_id":8800,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8801,"start_s":8802,"end_s":8803,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1334,"195536","Solo con esa reforma administrativa.",7669.48,7672.24,{"idx":8805,"utterance_id":8806,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8807,"start_s":8808,"end_s":8809,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1335,"195537","¿Y qué hará el mercado?",7672.78,7674.62,{"idx":8811,"utterance_id":8812,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8813,"start_s":8814,"end_s":8815,"word_count":161,"indexable":74},1336,"195538","Señalizará que hay un presidente que ahora tiene responsabilidad y el mercado ajustará los intereses.",7675.38,7682.8,{"idx":8817,"utterance_id":8818,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8819,"start_s":8820,"end_s":8821,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":8822,"target_proposition":8823,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1070,"rationale":8824,"indexable":702},1337,"195539","No es el presidente quien fija los intereses, es el mercado.",7683.28,7686.94,"f47622e5-004f-4710-b526-ca27b9cbb4f0","permitir que el mercado fije las tasas de interés","Afirma como hecho que el mercado, no el presidente, precifica las tasas de interés.",{"idx":8826,"utterance_id":8827,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8828,"start_s":8829,"end_s":8830,"word_count":172,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":8822,"target_proposition":8823,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":700,"rationale":8831,"indexable":702},1338,"195540","Pero quien es competente, quien es serio, es valorado de esa forma, que fue lo que me pasó a mí.",7687.24,7692.78,"Elogia que quien es competente es 'precificado', defendiendo implícitamente ese mecanismo.",{"idx":8833,"utterance_id":8834,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8835,"start_s":8836,"end_s":8837,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},1339,"195541","Para finalizar, hablemos de futurologías.",7693.26,7696.8,{"idx":8839,"utterance_id":8840,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8841,"start_s":8842,"end_s":8843,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1340,"195542","¿Está decepcionado con sus números en las encuestas?",7698.22,7700.78,{"idx":8845,"utterance_id":8846,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8847,"start_s":8848,"end_s":8849,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1341,"195543","¿Cuánto cree que avanza?",7701.26,7702.62,{"idx":8851,"utterance_id":8852,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8853,"start_s":8854,"end_s":8855,"word_count":155,"indexable":74},1342,"195544","Y en caso de no ir a la segunda vuelta, ¿quién apoya o prefiere no manifestarse?",7704.14,7708.3,{"idx":8857,"utterance_id":8858,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8859,"start_s":8860,"end_s":8861,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1343,"195545","Yo ya viví esa situación en 2018.",7710.12,7711.94,{"idx":8863,"utterance_id":8864,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8865,"start_s":8866,"end_s":8867,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1344,"195546","Entonces, estoy tranquilo, moviéndome, teniendo muchos compromisos.",7711.96,7717.76,{"idx":8869,"utterance_id":8870,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8871,"start_s":8872,"end_s":8873,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":8874,"topic_label":8875,"target_id":8876,"target_proposition":8877,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":8878,"indexable":702},1345,"195547","El brasileño decidirá su voto solo en la víspera.",7717.84,7721.26,"eleicoes-presidenciais","Elecciones presidenciales","b8773f44-166b-45e2-bda0-ac877407b1f9","reconocer que los electores deciden su voto en la víspera","Declara una observación sobre el comportamiento electoral sin proponer acción.",{"idx":8880,"utterance_id":8881,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8882,"start_s":8883,"end_s":8884,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1346,"195548","Aún más con esa investigación que está en curso ahí.",7721.28,7723.62,{"idx":8886,"utterance_id":8887,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8888,"start_s":8889,"end_s":8890,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1347,"195549","Van a suceder muchas cosas, ¿no?",7723.64,7724.64,{"idx":8892,"utterance_id":8893,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8894,"start_s":8895,"end_s":8896,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1348,"195550","Van a suceder muchas cosas.",7724.68,7726.04,{"idx":8898,"utterance_id":8899,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8900,"start_s":8901,"end_s":8902,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1349,"195551","Todo puede pasar.",7726.16,7727.28,{"idx":8904,"utterance_id":8905,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8906,"start_s":8907,"end_s":8908,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1350,"195552","Y yo digo que la elección es como un menú.",7727.3,7730.52,{"idx":8910,"utterance_id":8911,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8912,"start_s":8913,"end_s":8914,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},1351,"195553","Decides en el momento, cuando llega la hora de elegir.",7730.82,7734.04,{"idx":8916,"utterance_id":8917,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8918,"start_s":8919,"end_s":8920,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1352,"195554","Cuando te da hambre.",7734.06,7734.84,{"idx":8922,"utterance_id":8923,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8918,"start_s":8924,"end_s":8925,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1353,"195555",7735.46,7736.42,{"idx":8927,"utterance_id":8928,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8929,"start_s":8930,"end_s":8931,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},1354,"195556","Y el brasileño decidirá en la víspera.",7736.5,7738.42,{"idx":8933,"utterance_id":8934,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8935,"start_s":8936,"end_s":8937,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1355,"195557","Esta elección está muy extraña.",7738.44,7740.68,{"idx":8939,"utterance_id":8940,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8941,"start_s":8942,"end_s":8943,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1356,"195558","¿No está?",7740.9,7741.16,{"idx":8945,"utterance_id":8946,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8947,"start_s":8948,"end_s":8949,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1357,"195559","Muchas cosas sucediendo a su alrededor.",7742.16,7744.52,{"idx":8951,"utterance_id":8952,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8953,"start_s":8954,"end_s":8955,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1358,"195560","Hablo con mucha gente.",7744.84,7746.68,{"idx":8957,"utterance_id":8958,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8959,"start_s":8960,"end_s":8961,"word_count":184,"indexable":74},1359,"195561","La semana pasada, justamente, me encontré con un tipo que estaba en una obra; le preguntamos: ¿a quién vas a votar?",7746.94,7754.18,{"idx":8963,"utterance_id":8964,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8965,"start_s":8966,"end_s":8967,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},1360,"195562","Él dijo: 'Ni sé quién es candidato, no me estoy enterando de nada.'",7754.2,7757.16,{"idx":8969,"utterance_id":8970,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8971,"start_s":8972,"end_s":8973,"word_count":201,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":8974,"target_proposition":8975,"stance":755,"stance_confidence":1358,"rationale":8976,"indexable":702},1361,"195563","El brasileño está preocupado por pagar deudas, por arreglar su factura de electricidad de la semana pasada, que aún no ha sido saldada.",7757.88,7766.7,"6fe4f470-274f-4ed5-b87b-0fc66500f6a1","reconocer la preocupación de las familias por las deudas y facturas de energía","Relata preocupación económica cotidiana de los votantes, sin proponer política.",{"idx":8978,"utterance_id":8979,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8980,"start_s":8981,"end_s":8982,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},1362,"195564","Eso es lo que preocupa; está preocupado por sobrevivir.",7767.14,7770.32,{"idx":8984,"utterance_id":8985,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8986,"start_s":8987,"end_s":8988,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1363,"195565","Segunda vuelta.",7771.22,7771.74,{"idx":8990,"utterance_id":8991,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":8992,"start_s":8993,"end_s":8994,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":8874,"topic_label":8875,"target_id":8995,"target_proposition":8996,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":903,"rationale":8997,"indexable":702},1364,"195566","Segunda vuelta, estoy confiado de que estaré allí.",7772.94,7775.58,"abd9b2a8-dd6c-4a09-a269-a08a4c8786d1","postularse y disputar la segunda vuelta","Declara confianza explícita en llegar a la segunda vuelta.",{"idx":8999,"utterance_id":9000,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":9001,"start_s":9002,"end_s":9003,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1365,"195567","¿Y si no llego?",7775.84,7776.34,{"idx":9005,"utterance_id":9006,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":9007,"start_s":9008,"end_s":9009,"word_count":125,"topic_slug":9010,"topic_label":9011,"target_id":9012,"target_proposition":9013,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":1303,"rationale":9014,"indexable":702},1366,"195568","Si yo no llego, cualquiera que esté contra Lula.",7776.76,7778.68,"estrategia-eleitoral","Estrategia electoral","fbec7c75-9d90-46d8-8638-ca72c689c0bd","apoyar candidatura alternativa de la derecha para evitar el avance del PT","Declara que apoyará a quien esté 'contra' el adversario mencionado.",{"idx":9016,"utterance_id":9017,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":9018,"start_s":9019,"end_s":9020,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":9010,"topic_label":9011,"target_id":9012,"target_proposition":9013,"stance":699,"stance_confidence":808,"rationale":9021,"indexable":702},1367,"195569","Puede ser este micrófono aquí, yo voto por el micrófono.",7778.74,7781.5,"Refuerza la disposición de votar por cualquier opción anti-adversario ('voto no microfone').",{"idx":9023,"utterance_id":9024,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":9025,"start_s":9026,"end_s":9027,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1368,"195570","Voto por el micrófono.",7781.52,7782.44,{"idx":9029,"utterance_id":9030,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":9031,"start_s":9032,"end_s":9033,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},1369,"195571","Voto.",7782.48,7782.86,{"idx":9035,"utterance_id":9036,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":1549,"start_s":9037,"end_s":9038,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1370,"195572",7783.1,7783.52,{"idx":9040,"utterance_id":9041,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":9042,"start_s":9043,"end_s":9044,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1371,"195573","Muchas gracias, Zema.",7783.54,7784.58,{"idx":9046,"utterance_id":9047,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":9048,"start_s":9049,"end_s":9050,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1372,"195574","Está hecho el compromiso de que esté en nuestro debate.",7785.14,7787.28,{"idx":9052,"utterance_id":9053,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":9054,"start_s":9055,"end_s":9056,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1373,"195575","Mira eso, eh.",7787.58,7788.06,{"idx":9058,"utterance_id":9059,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":9060,"start_s":9061,"end_s":9062,"word_count":96,"indexable":74},1374,"195576","Dile a la gente aquí.",7788.8,7789.64,{"idx":9064,"utterance_id":9065,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":9066,"start_s":9067,"end_s":9068,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1375,"195577","Despídete.",7790.02,7790.46,{"idx":9070,"utterance_id":9071,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":9072,"start_s":9073,"end_s":9074,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},1376,"195578","Consideraciones finales.",7790.7,7791.64,{"idx":9076,"utterance_id":9077,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":9078,"start_s":9079,"end_s":9080,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1377,"195579","Muchas gracias por tu tiempo.",7791.66,7793.04,{"idx":9082,"utterance_id":9083,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":9084,"start_s":9085,"end_s":9086,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},1378,"195580","Quiero agradecerte a ti que me acompañaste ahí.",7793.06,7796.88,{"idx":9088,"utterance_id":9089,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":9090,"start_s":9091,"end_s":9092,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},1379,"195581","¿Cuánto tiempo duró?",7797.26,7798.14,{"idx":9094,"utterance_id":9095,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":9096,"start_s":9097,"end_s":9098,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},1380,"195582","Casi... 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