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2011 a 2014, subsecretario de Juventud en el gobierno de Minas Gerais.",147.16,151.76,{"idx":185,"utterance_id":307,"speaker_name":174,"text":308,"start_s":309,"end_s":310,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},"157090","En 2016, elegido concejal de Belo Horizonte por el PHS.",152.34,156.34,{"idx":26,"utterance_id":312,"speaker_name":174,"text":313,"start_s":314,"end_s":315,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},"157091","En 2020, reelecto concejal por el Patriota.",157.12,160.16,{"idx":317,"utterance_id":318,"speaker_name":174,"text":319,"start_s":320,"end_s":321,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},24,"157092","De 2023 a 2024, presidente de la Cámara Municipal de Belo Horizonte.",160.72,166.06,{"idx":275,"utterance_id":323,"speaker_name":174,"text":324,"start_s":325,"end_s":326,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},"157093","En 2024, candidato a la Alcaldía de Belo Horizonte por el MDB.",166.66,170.78,{"idx":9,"utterance_id":328,"speaker_name":174,"text":329,"start_s":330,"end_s":331,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},"157094","En 2025, asumió la presidencia del MDB de Belo Horizonte.",171.48,175.46,{"idx":333,"utterance_id":334,"speaker_name":174,"text":335,"start_s":336,"end_s":337,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},27,"157095","Y en 2026, candidato al gobierno de Minas Gerais por el MDB.",175.96,180.18,{"idx":43,"utterance_id":339,"speaker_name":174,"text":340,"start_s":341,"end_s":342,"word_count":343,"indexable":178},"157096","Y ahora comenzamos esta sabatina con el candidato Gabriel Azevedo, recordando que la duración es de 30 minutos; por lo tanto, a lo largo de este periodo que inauguramos ahora, usted que nos está viendo podrá ver el cronómetro en pantalla, ¿está bien?",185.74,201.1,44,{"idx":54,"utterance_id":345,"speaker_name":174,"text":346,"start_s":347,"end_s":348,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},"157097","Y el candidato también, al igual que todos los que están aquí en nuestro estudio.",201.22,205.56,{"idx":350,"utterance_id":351,"speaker_name":174,"text":352,"start_s":353,"end_s":354,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},30,"157098","Cronómetro en pantalla, en marcha.",206.2,208.16,{"idx":356,"utterance_id":357,"speaker_name":174,"text":358,"start_s":359,"end_s":360,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},31,"157099","Miren, 30 minutitos para que completemos.",208.18,210.58,{"idx":15,"utterance_id":362,"speaker_name":174,"text":363,"start_s":364,"end_s":365,"word_count":239,"indexable":178},"157100","Candidato, voy a abrir entonces la fila de esta sabatina con una pregunta y después, bueno, ustedes pueden sentirse en libertad, cuando Gabriel termine de responder, para también comenzar a interpelar.",211.06,221.84,{"idx":32,"utterance_id":367,"speaker_name":174,"text":368,"start_s":369,"end_s":370,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},"157101","Entonces vamos, Gabriel, usted dice en su programa de gobierno que quiere mejorar la estructura viaria de Minas Gerais, trayendo más fluidez, más modernidad.",221.92,234.84,{"idx":239,"utterance_id":372,"speaker_name":174,"text":373,"start_s":374,"end_s":375,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},"157102","Y eso, sabemos, depende de recursos.",235.26,238.8,{"idx":377,"utterance_id":378,"speaker_name":174,"text":379,"start_s":380,"end_s":381,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},35,"157103","También, en otro punto de su programa, usted dice que va a mantenerse en la línea en cuanto al gasto.",239.48,244.78,{"idx":383,"utterance_id":384,"speaker_name":174,"text":385,"start_s":386,"end_s":387,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},36,"157104","No va a gastar más de lo que recaude.",245.02,246.76,{"idx":389,"utterance_id":390,"speaker_name":174,"text":391,"start_s":392,"end_s":393,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},37,"157105","Pero para lograr grandes cambios estructurales en un estado como Minas Gerais, hace falta 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elegido aquí una cita del libro de Proverbios del Antiguo Testamento, capítulo 28, versículo primero.",266.1,273.72,{"idx":426,"utterance_id":427,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":428,"start_s":429,"end_s":430,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},43,"157111","El impío huye sin que nadie lo persiga, pero el justo se siente seguro como un león.",274.48,282.06,{"idx":343,"utterance_id":432,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":433,"start_s":434,"end_s":435,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},"157112","No tengo nada que esconder al pueblo de Minas Gerais.",282.9,285.86,{"idx":437,"utterance_id":438,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":439,"start_s":440,"end_s":441,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},45,"157113","Tengo coraje y no habrá ningún debate en el que no sea convocado.",286.54,292.36,{"idx":443,"utterance_id":444,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":445,"start_s":446,"end_s":447,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},46,"157114","sin que yo esté 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vez.",315.96,319.14,{"idx":467,"utterance_id":468,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":469,"start_s":470,"end_s":471,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},50,"157118","Él que inició... su trayectoria política en las comunidades eclesiales de base.",319.86,324.62,{"idx":473,"utterance_id":474,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":475,"start_s":476,"end_s":477,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},51,"157119","Espero, Patrus, que usted haga una sincera petición de disculpas a Dom Valmor, porque esa institución debe ser respetada.",325.38,334.2,{"idx":479,"utterance_id":480,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":481,"start_s":482,"end_s":483,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},52,"157120","Y para respetar a Minas Gerais, reafirmo aquí una frase importante.",334.74,338.26,{"idx":485,"utterance_id":486,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":487,"start_s":488,"end_s":489,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},53,"157121","Para cuidar de las personas, hay que cuidar las 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de reales con la Unión.",362.5,364.94,{"idx":515,"utterance_id":516,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":517,"start_s":518,"end_s":519,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},58,"157126","Pasaron ocho años.",365.76,366.92,{"idx":521,"utterance_id":522,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":523,"start_s":524,"end_s":525,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},59,"157127","Romeu Zema y Matheus Simões pasaron todo el tiempo hablando mal del PT.",367.48,371.46,{"idx":527,"utterance_id":528,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":529,"start_s":530,"end_s":531,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},60,"157128","Y después de todo ese período, el sucio habló muy mal del mal lavado.",372.46,377.3,{"idx":533,"utterance_id":534,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":535,"start_s":536,"end_s":537,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},61,"157129","Y tenemos casi 200 mil millones de reales en deuda y para el año que viene hay una previsión de casi 7 mil millones de reales de déficit.",378.14,386.52,{"idx":539,"utterance_id":540,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":541,"start_s":542,"end_s":543,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},62,"157130","Para resolver esto, en 2025 el gobierno reconoció una deuda, gente, de 179,3 mil millones de reales con la Unión.",387.42,395.9,{"idx":545,"utterance_id":546,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":547,"start_s":548,"end_s":549,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},63,"157131","Les debemos al pueblo de Mato Grosso y al de Alagoas, y quien debe, paga.",396.38,401.34,{"idx":551,"utterance_id":552,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":553,"start_s":554,"end_s":555,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},64,"157132","Aunque sea difícil.",401.86,402.96,{"idx":557,"utterance_id":558,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":559,"start_s":560,"end_s":561,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},65,"157133","Existen ocho modalidades del Propag; yo me quedo con la que parcele esa deuda y no aplique intereses.",403.34,409.94,{"idx":563,"utterance_id":564,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":565,"start_s":566,"end_s":567,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},66,"157134","Con eso, vamos a tener tiempo para pagar, pero no podemos dejar de cuidar a las personas.",410.64,415.76,{"idx":569,"utterance_id":570,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":571,"start_s":572,"end_s":573,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},67,"157135","Pero todo el mundo que debe en la tarjeta de crédito sabe que sin intereses es mejor.",416.1,420.24,{"idx":575,"utterance_id":576,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":577,"start_s":578,"end_s":579,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},68,"157136","Y así sobra más recurso para que hagamos lo que debe hacerse.",420.74,424.26,{"idx":581,"utterance_id":582,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":583,"start_s":584,"end_s":585,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},69,"157137","Cuando el tema es la carretera, tengo 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esa.",487.64,492.46,{"idx":683,"utterance_id":684,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":685,"start_s":686,"end_s":687,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},86,"157154","Y el tercer punto, ya se lo dije a ustedes, quiero ser el gobernador de los ferrocarriles.",492.94,497.02,{"idx":689,"utterance_id":690,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":691,"start_s":692,"end_s":693,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},87,"157155","Una de las razones por las que no tenemos tantas carreteras de calidad es porque por ellas circula mucha sobrecarga.",497.78,504.26,{"idx":695,"utterance_id":696,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":697,"start_s":698,"end_s":699,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},88,"157156","Y ahí usted me pregunta, ¿de dónde viene el dinero?",504.62,506.54,{"idx":701,"utterance_id":702,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":703,"start_s":704,"end_s":705,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},89,"157157","Hay 20 mil millones parados allá en Brasilia, esperando a un gobernador que tenga el coraje de conversar con quien es diferente a él.",507.14,514.96,{"idx":707,"utterance_id":708,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":709,"start_s":710,"end_s":711,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},90,"157158","El presidente de la república no necesita ser de su partido, pero usted tiene que respetarlo.",515.44,519.96,{"idx":713,"utterance_id":714,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":715,"start_s":716,"end_s":717,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},91,"157159","El gobernador que anda peleando con el presidente pide la oportunidad de cuidar del pueblo de Minas Gerais.",520.44,524.34,{"idx":719,"utterance_id":720,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":721,"start_s":722,"end_s":723,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},92,"157160","Esos 20 mil millones están ahí esperando a quien llegue con el proyecto y muestre los planos de esos ferrocarriles.",524.88,530.6,{"idx":725,"utterance_id":726,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":727,"start_s":728,"end_s":729,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},93,"157161","¿Sabe lo que el ferrocarril cambia en su vida?",530.96,532.54,{"idx":731,"utterance_id":732,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":733,"start_s":734,"end_s":735,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},94,"157162","La comida se vuelve más barata.",533.26,535.02,{"idx":737,"utterance_id":738,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":739,"start_s":740,"end_s":741,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},95,"157163","Voy a hablar aquí especialmente con una porción de Minas: el sur de Minas Gerais.",535.72,539.06,{"idx":743,"utterance_id":744,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":745,"start_s":746,"end_s":747,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},96,"157164","Varginha tiene un puerto seco increíble, muy bien hecho por gente que trabaja.",539.46,544.58,{"idx":749,"utterance_id":750,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":751,"start_s":752,"end_s":753,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},97,"157165","Piense en ese Puerto Seco, llevando todo el café, ya que Varginha es el municipio que más exporta.",545.16,549.52,{"idx":755,"utterance_id":756,"speaker_name":174,"text":757,"start_s":758,"end_s":759,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},98,"157166","Ahora, candidato, perdón, tenemos más preguntas, solo para que abramos también a nuestros colegas.",549.56,554.42,{"idx":761,"utterance_id":762,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":763,"start_s":764,"end_s":765,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},99,"157167","Ya voy a ello, solo cerrar con lo de las ferrovías, lo prometo.",554.44,556.7,{"idx":767,"utterance_id":768,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":769,"start_s":770,"end_s":771,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},100,"157168","Imagínese que ese tren que sale de Varginha vaya a la costa y no vuelva con los vagones vacíos, vuelva cargado con alimentos, en lugar de camiones.",557.54,565.06,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":773,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":774,"start_s":775,"end_s":776,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},"157169","Resulta más barato para la persona que en el sur de Minas tiene que pagar sus cuentas.",565.62,568.96,{"idx":778,"utterance_id":779,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":780,"start_s":781,"end_s":782,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},102,"157170","Entonces, son tres ideas.",569,570.08,{"idx":784,"utterance_id":785,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":786,"start_s":787,"end_s":788,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},103,"157171","Anuario, la concesión del servicio de mantenimiento.",570.46,573.2,{"idx":790,"utterance_id":791,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":792,"start_s":793,"end_s":794,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},104,"157172","Y, claro, ferrocarriles, que son difíciles de hacer, son caros, pero alguien tiene que empezar y quien va a empezar soy yo.",573.68,579.02,{"idx":796,"utterance_id":797,"speaker_name":174,"text":798,"start_s":799,"end_s":800,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},105,"157173","Vamos, pueden preguntar.",579.54,581.14,{"idx":802,"utterance_id":803,"speaker_name":174,"text":804,"start_s":805,"end_s":806,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},106,"157174","Buenas noches, Duda, buenas noches, Guilherme, Ana, buenas noches, candidato Gabriel Azevedo, buenas noches a todo su equipo.",581.62,587.06,{"idx":808,"utterance_id":809,"speaker_name":174,"text":810,"start_s":811,"end_s":812,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},107,"157175","Agradecer esta invitación que premió la convocatoria; quiere decir, entonces, que Orion también está presente.",587.4,593.94,{"idx":814,"utterance_id":815,"speaker_name":174,"text":816,"start_s":817,"end_s":818,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},108,"157176","Entonces, tenga en cuenta también a su audiencia; buenas noches a todos.",594.04,596.48,{"idx":820,"utterance_id":821,"speaker_name":174,"text":822,"start_s":823,"end_s":824,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},109,"157177","Gabriel, la cuestión financiera de Minas Gerais es un nudo que no nos permite... viajar tanto, pensar tanto en tantas propuestas como las que usted acaba de mencionar.",596.88,605.5,{"idx":826,"utterance_id":827,"speaker_name":174,"text":828,"start_s":829,"end_s":830,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},110,"157178","Porque, además de la deuda de 200 mil millones de reales, Minas, el gobierno actual, concedió una exención fiscal que supera los 20 mil millones de reales, que algunos de la oposición llaman bolsa empresario.",605.84,618.12,{"idx":832,"utterance_id":833,"speaker_name":174,"text":834,"start_s":835,"end_s":836,"word_count":426,"indexable":178},111,"157179","Y además, el déficit que usted mencionó de 7 mil millones de reales para el año que viene debe crecer otros 3 mil millones hasta el final del año, porque, no sé si lo está siguiendo, existe una crisis en la Secretaría de Hacienda.",618.46,629.48,{"idx":838,"utterance_id":839,"speaker_name":174,"text":840,"start_s":841,"end_s":842,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},112,"157180","Los auditores fiscales se están preparando; están en indicio de huelga.",629.94,634.74,{"idx":844,"utterance_id":845,"speaker_name":174,"text":846,"start_s":847,"end_s":848,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},113,"157181","Entonces, usted se imagina cuál es la situación de la recaudación, de la fiscalización y de la evasión en este Estado.",634.78,639,{"idx":850,"utterance_id":851,"speaker_name":174,"text":852,"start_s":853,"end_s":854,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},114,"157182","La previsión es de 10 mil millones de reales y existe incluso el riesgo de no pagar el famoso 13.º salario, que todos los años aquí en Minas Gerais es una dificultad por falta de planificación.",639.2,650.1,{"idx":856,"utterance_id":857,"speaker_name":174,"text":858,"start_s":859,"end_s":860,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},115,"157183","Entonces, vea bien, la situación financiera del Estado es un desafío mucho mayor de lo que se vislumbra ahí.",650.42,655.42,{"idx":862,"utterance_id":863,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":864,"start_s":865,"end_s":866,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},116,"157184","Lo bueno es que en su pregunta usted pone la respuesta.",656.44,659.76,{"idx":868,"utterance_id":869,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":870,"start_s":871,"end_s":872,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},117,"157185","En primer lugar, mire la propuesta.",660.42,662.08,{"idx":874,"utterance_id":875,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":876,"start_s":877,"end_s":878,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},118,"157186","Fiscalizadores de Minas Gerais, comprendo la huelga de ustedes.",662.58,665.56,{"idx":880,"utterance_id":881,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":882,"start_s":883,"end_s":884,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},119,"157187","Además, no quiero ser un gobernador como el actual, que no quiere a los servidores públicos.",665.7,669.42,{"idx":886,"utterance_id":887,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":888,"start_s":889,"end_s":890,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},120,"157188","Soy hijo de maestra, soy hijo de policía.",669.8,672.3,{"idx":892,"utterance_id":893,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":894,"start_s":895,"end_s":896,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},121,"157189","Sé que quien trabaja por Minas Gerais, además de sostener a la familia, es esa persona que cuida a nuestro hijo, que nos protege de los delincuentes y que tiene que ser respetada.",672.76,680.92,{"idx":898,"utterance_id":899,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":900,"start_s":901,"end_s":902,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},122,"157190","Así son los fiscalizadores.",680.98,681.88,{"idx":904,"utterance_id":905,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":906,"start_s":907,"end_s":908,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},123,"157191","Y si tienen condiciones de trabajo... Usted conoce el levantamiento que hicieron.",682.38,685.94,{"idx":910,"utterance_id":911,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":912,"start_s":913,"end_s":914,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},124,"157192","Hay una suma multimillonaria que puede entrar a nuestras arcas para ocuparse de nuestras cuentas si, por ejemplo, la minería puede ser mejor fiscalizada.",686.52,695.94,{"idx":916,"utterance_id":917,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":918,"start_s":919,"end_s":920,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},125,"157193","Estamos hablando de una cifra de más de 10 mil millones de reales en evasión.",695.96,699.2,{"idx":922,"utterance_id":923,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":924,"start_s":925,"end_s":926,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},126,"157194","Si se pusiera en la caja con auditoría fiscal funcionando como debe, ya tendríamos el déficit cero.",699.6,705.28,{"idx":928,"utterance_id":929,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":930,"start_s":931,"end_s":932,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},127,"157195","Y usted plantea otro punto que es fundamental.",705.52,707.44,{"idx":934,"utterance_id":935,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":936,"start_s":937,"end_s":938,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},128,"157196","Este gobierno actual adora criticar los beneficios cuando son para las personas más pobres.",708.12,713.12,{"idx":940,"utterance_id":941,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":942,"start_s":943,"end_s":944,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},129,"157197","Cuando es para los más desfavorecidos, faltan a la iglesia.",713.64,716.9,{"idx":946,"utterance_id":947,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":948,"start_s":949,"end_s":950,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},130,"157198","Falta entender que el gobierno cuida de los menos favorecidos antes que de aquellos que tienen mucho.",717.96,723.66,{"idx":952,"utterance_id":953,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":954,"start_s":955,"end_s":956,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},131,"157199","Y, en realidad, para el año que viene, estamos hablando de casi 26, entre 26 y 27 mil millones de reales de subsidio.",724.12,731.8,{"idx":958,"utterance_id":959,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":960,"start_s":961,"end_s":962,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},132,"157200","Que, por cierto, solo descubrimos quiénes son los pocos empresarios beneficiados por una decisión judicial.",732.04,737,{"idx":964,"utterance_id":965,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":966,"start_s":967,"end_s":968,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},133,"157201","Son 4 mil, gente, empresarios beneficiados, entre ellos la familia del gobernador Romeu Zema.",737.4,742.8,{"idx":970,"utterance_id":971,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":972,"start_s":973,"end_s":974,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},134,"157202","No se puede conceder un beneficio sin saber el retorno.",743.24,746.64,{"idx":976,"utterance_id":977,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":978,"start_s":979,"end_s":980,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},135,"157203","No quiero persecución, pero en los 100 primeros días de nuestro gobierno, presten atención a esta propuesta.",747.1,751.56,{"idx":982,"utterance_id":983,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":984,"start_s":985,"end_s":986,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},136,"157204","Transparencia radical.",751.9,752.98,{"idx":988,"utterance_id":989,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":990,"start_s":991,"end_s":992,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},137,"157205","Todos los subsidios se van a publicar y tendremos, mire la otra propuesta, una agencia independiente con economistas, personas que piensan con datos, para evaluar si cada beneficio público está dando retorno al público.",753.72,767.32,{"idx":994,"utterance_id":995,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":996,"start_s":997,"end_s":998,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},138,"157206","Orion, vea que puedo responderle con cierta autoridad sobre la solución.",767.8,772.54,{"idx":1000,"utterance_id":1001,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1002,"start_s":1003,"end_s":1004,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},139,"157207","Sí, tenemos una huelga en el sector fiscal y sí, tenemos una situación grave que este gobierno está dejando.",773.1,779.2,{"idx":1006,"utterance_id":1007,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1008,"start_s":1009,"end_s":1010,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},140,"157208","Pero si yo cuido a los fiscalizadores, ellos traen más retorno al Estado.",779.54,783,{"idx":1012,"utterance_id":1013,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1014,"start_s":1015,"end_s":1016,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},141,"157209","Y si hago una lupa, un escrutinio minucioso de esos subsidios, no vamos a dar ventaja a quien no la merece.",783.38,790.38,{"idx":1018,"utterance_id":1019,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1020,"start_s":1021,"end_s":1022,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},142,"157210","Porque quien lo está escuchando me paga impuestos.",790.44,792.32,{"idx":1024,"utterance_id":1025,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1026,"start_s":1027,"end_s":1028,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},143,"157211","Usted que tiene un bar, usted que tiene una farmacia, usted que emplea, todos están pagando impuestos.",792.44,797.26,{"idx":1030,"utterance_id":1031,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1032,"start_s":1033,"end_s":1034,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},144,"157212","Porque solo 4 mil personas no pagan.",797.28,798.94,{"idx":1036,"utterance_id":1037,"speaker_name":174,"text":1038,"start_s":1039,"end_s":1040,"word_count":449,"indexable":178},145,"157213","Ahora, este asunto es uno que con seguridad se despliega en muchas otras capas, por eso también vamos a dejar que los otros dos periodistas de nuestra bancada conversen aquí con Gabriel, le pregunten, porque con seguridad, ¿no gente?, este tema es así, sin fin, ¿no?",799.26,816.18,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":1042,"speaker_name":174,"text":1043,"start_s":1044,"end_s":1045,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},"157214","Se extiende.",816.24,816.88,{"idx":1047,"utterance_id":1048,"speaker_name":174,"text":1049,"start_s":1050,"end_s":1051,"word_count":169,"indexable":178},147,"157215","Quisiera agradecer, buenas noches, agradecer la invitación, la oportunidad de participar y voy a tomar un gancho de lo que Orion ya estaba diciendo y que tiene que ver un poco también con esta cuestión de la evasión.",817.52,827.88,{"idx":1053,"utterance_id":1054,"speaker_name":174,"text":1055,"start_s":1056,"end_s":1057,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},148,"157216","Porque ya hacemos un enlace con la cuestión de la minería.",828.32,831.02,{"idx":1059,"utterance_id":1060,"speaker_name":174,"text":1061,"start_s":1062,"end_s":1063,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},149,"157217","El oro de Minas ya se fue, no quedó nada para nosotros.",833.44,836.66,{"idx":1065,"utterance_id":1066,"speaker_name":174,"text":1067,"start_s":1068,"end_s":1069,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},150,"157218","El mineral de hierro se está yendo y solo quedan los pasivos ambientales, humanos, la cuestión del agua que es importante para nosotros.",837.2,846.7,{"idx":1071,"utterance_id":1072,"speaker_name":174,"text":1073,"start_s":1074,"end_s":1075,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},151,"157219","Ahora estamos con la cuestión del litio, tierras raras.",847.1,850.16,{"idx":1077,"utterance_id":1078,"speaker_name":174,"text":1079,"start_s":1080,"end_s":1081,"word_count":533,"indexable":178},152,"157220","Qué hacer, Gabriel, principalmente en relación... las mineras que están evadiendo impuestos, que no están pagando lo que deben, la cuestión de la tasa, de la compensación financiera, que existe la demanda de aumentar esa compensación para los estados, en este caso aquí de Minas, y principalmente hacer también un enlace pensando en cómo vamos a imaginar Minas dentro de 20 años.",851.14,877.84,{"idx":1083,"utterance_id":1084,"speaker_name":174,"text":1085,"start_s":1086,"end_s":1087,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},153,"157221","Jequitinhonha va a ser una nueva Itabira?",878.34,880.2,{"idx":1089,"utterance_id":1090,"speaker_name":174,"text":1091,"start_s":1092,"end_s":1093,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},154,"157222","¿Sin agua?",880.68,881.32,{"idx":1095,"utterance_id":1096,"speaker_name":174,"text":1097,"start_s":1098,"end_s":1099,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},155,"157223","¿Una tierra arrasada?",881.48,882.62,{"idx":1101,"utterance_id":1102,"speaker_name":174,"text":1103,"start_s":1104,"end_s":1105,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},156,"157224","¿El Jequitinhonha va a quedar así por culpa del litio?",883.12,885.1,{"idx":1107,"utterance_id":1108,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1109,"start_s":1110,"end_s":1111,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},157,"157225","Exactamente.",886.26,886.88,{"idx":1113,"utterance_id":1114,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1115,"start_s":1116,"end_s":1117,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},158,"157226","Bueno, es muy bueno poner a todo el mundo en la misma página.",887.5,891.74,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":1119,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1120,"start_s":1121,"end_s":1122,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},"157227","Eso que usted está diciendo, Ana, lo he dicho desde el inicio de la campaña.",892.52,895.2,{"idx":1124,"utterance_id":1125,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1126,"start_s":1127,"end_s":1128,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},160,"157228","Ouro Preto exportaba más de la mitad del oro del planeta en el siglo XVIII.",895.46,900.66,{"idx":1130,"utterance_id":1131,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1132,"start_s":1133,"end_s":1134,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},161,"157229","Y fíjense, no había ninguna escuela.",901.48,903.26,{"idx":1136,"utterance_id":1137,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1138,"start_s":1139,"end_s":1140,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},162,"157230","Los inconfidentes no llevaron el plan de una Minas Gerais republicana y libre porque la gente no sabía leer.",903.86,909.82,{"idx":1142,"utterance_id":1143,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1144,"start_s":1145,"end_s":1146,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},163,"157231","Fue así con el diamante en el Tejuco.",910.58,912.94,{"idx":1148,"utterance_id":1149,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1150,"start_s":1151,"end_s":1152,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},164,"157232","Hoy Diamantina, también el café dejó poco.",913.2,916.64,{"idx":1154,"utterance_id":1155,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1156,"start_s":1157,"end_s":1158,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},165,"157233","En el pasado, la minería ha dejado muchos agujeros y se ha llevado la riqueza.",916.66,921.72,{"idx":1160,"utterance_id":1161,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1162,"start_s":1163,"end_s":1164,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},166,"157234","¿Cómo cambiamos eso, eh, gente?",922.18,923.96,{"idx":1166,"utterance_id":1167,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1168,"start_s":1169,"end_s":1170,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},167,"157235","Primero, el gobernador tiene que cuidar más de las personas que de sus amigos empresarios.",924.48,929.5,{"idx":1172,"utterance_id":1173,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1174,"start_s":1175,"end_s":1176,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},168,"157236","Eso es fundamental.",930.34,931.04,{"idx":1178,"utterance_id":1179,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1180,"start_s":1181,"end_s":1182,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},169,"157237","Entonces hay una cuestión moral en todo esto.",931.06,933.34,{"idx":1184,"utterance_id":1185,"speaker_name":174,"text":1186,"start_s":1187,"end_s":1188,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},170,"157238","Incluye a la minería.",933.58,934.82,{"idx":1190,"utterance_id":1191,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1192,"start_s":1193,"end_s":1194,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},171,"157239","Importante recordar que este gobierno tiene profundos escándalos de corrupción que unen... en una amplia coalición, el ambiente estatal y el ambiente federal.",935.22,946.32,{"idx":1196,"utterance_id":1197,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1198,"start_s":1199,"end_s":1200,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},172,"157240","Es desde la derecha hasta la izquierda, metiendo la mano en el bolsillo del ciudadano.",947.14,950.52,{"idx":1202,"utterance_id":1203,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1204,"start_s":1205,"end_s":1206,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},173,"157241","Y en nuestras riquezas.",950.72,951.82,{"idx":1208,"utterance_id":1209,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1210,"start_s":1211,"end_s":1212,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},174,"157242","Quien no siguió la Operación Rejeito, debería empezar a comprenderla.",952.24,955.64,{"idx":1214,"utterance_id":1215,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1216,"start_s":1217,"end_s":1218,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},175,"157243","Cuando las reglas de la minería no son claras, y ahí va mi primera propuesta para ustedes, reglas muy claras, queda dependiendo de la firma de alguien que está trabajando en el gobierno.",956.36,967.9,{"idx":1220,"utterance_id":1221,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1222,"start_s":1223,"end_s":1224,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},176,"157244","Y entonces el empresario llega... con todo su poder financiero y corrompe a ese servidor.",968.4,974,{"idx":1226,"utterance_id":1227,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1228,"start_s":1229,"end_s":1230,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},177,"157245","Y eso fue lo que pasó con varios servidores a nivel estatal y federal.",974.46,977.82,{"idx":1232,"utterance_id":1233,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1234,"start_s":1235,"end_s":1236,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},178,"157246","Entonces el primer punto, gente, es que las reglas de la minería tienen que ser muy claras.",978.24,982.6,{"idx":1238,"utterance_id":1239,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1240,"start_s":1241,"end_s":1242,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},179,"157247","Segundo punto, Ana, conmigo ninguna minería comienza sin que sepamos qué va a pasar con ese lugar después.",983.32,991.68,{"idx":1244,"utterance_id":1245,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1246,"start_s":1247,"end_s":1248,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},180,"157248","Hay muchos ejemplos en el mundo en los que vemos que surgen parques, que surgen áreas de recuperación ambiental, pero que no queda una presa de residuos lista para caerse sobre la cabeza de la gente.",992.44,1004.52,{"idx":1250,"utterance_id":1251,"speaker_name":174,"text":1252,"start_s":1253,"end_s":1254,"word_count":414,"indexable":178},181,"157249","Ahora, Gabriel, también recogimos preguntas de hombres y mujeres de Minas, que están trayendo no solo para usted, sino para todos los candidatos al gobierno de Minas, que aun ausentes aquí, sí serán convocados a responder al pueblo de este Estado.",1004.7,1019.34,{"idx":1256,"utterance_id":1257,"speaker_name":174,"text":1258,"start_s":1259,"end_s":1260,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},182,"157250","Y vamos a enviar, a través de nuestro reportaje, las solicitudes de respuesta a sus asesorías.",1019.62,1027.08,{"idx":1262,"utterance_id":1263,"speaker_name":174,"text":1264,"start_s":1265,"end_s":1266,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},183,"157251","y esperamos a lo largo de los próximos días hasta el inicio de la primera vuelta.",1027.4,1032.82,{"idx":1268,"utterance_id":1269,"speaker_name":174,"text":1270,"start_s":1271,"end_s":1272,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},184,"157252","Pero conversamos con la gente de Ponte Nova, ¿sabe, Gabriel Ezevedo?",1033.14,1036.96,{"idx":1274,"utterance_id":1275,"speaker_name":174,"text":1276,"start_s":1277,"end_s":1278,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},185,"157253","Y tienen una pregunta para usted sobre educación.",1036.98,1038.94,{"idx":1280,"utterance_id":1281,"speaker_name":174,"text":1282,"start_s":1283,"end_s":1284,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},186,"157254","Gabriel Arcanjo de Carvalho, trabajé varios años en educación, trabajé en el SENAI y en el Estado.",1040.9,1047.68,{"idx":1286,"utterance_id":1287,"speaker_name":174,"text":1288,"start_s":1289,"end_s":1290,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},187,"157255","Soy habitante del municipio de Ponte Nova.",1048.06,1050.96,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1292,"speaker_name":174,"text":1293,"start_s":1294,"end_s":1295,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},"157256","Quiero saber cuál es la prioridad en educación, una educación de calidad que tenga los recursos necesarios, que valore a los trabajadores de la educación y valore a los alumnos con una educación de calidad.",1051.14,1064.84,{"idx":1297,"utterance_id":1298,"speaker_name":174,"text":1299,"start_s":1300,"end_s":1301,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},189,"157257","Ahí el equipo de ATV Educar, que es nuestro afiliado, nos trae la participación de este señor.",1065.88,1070.36,{"idx":1303,"utterance_id":1304,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1305,"start_s":1306,"end_s":1307,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},190,"157258","Mi amigo, qué bueno hablar contigo y qué bueno ver que has dedicado tu vida a la educación de este estado.",1070.96,1075.76,{"idx":1309,"utterance_id":1310,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1311,"start_s":1312,"end_s":1313,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},191,"157259","Sabes... Entiendes de este tema.",1076.48,1078.26,{"idx":1315,"utterance_id":1316,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1317,"start_s":1318,"end_s":1319,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},192,"157260","Y si usted acompaña el IDEB de Minas Gerais, verá que ha mejorado.",1078.86,1082.56,{"idx":1321,"utterance_id":1322,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1323,"start_s":1324,"end_s":1325,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},193,"157261","Hay una cosa, gente, que me caracteriza.",1083.02,1085.12,{"idx":1327,"utterance_id":1328,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1329,"start_s":1330,"end_s":1331,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},194,"157262","No soy de los que se la pasan insultando todo en un gobierno.",1085.74,1088.3,{"idx":1333,"utterance_id":1334,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1335,"start_s":1336,"end_s":1337,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},195,"157263","Si hay avances, hay que reconocerlos.",1088.92,1090.56,{"idx":1339,"utterance_id":1340,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1341,"start_s":1342,"end_s":1343,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},196,"157264","Y el IDEB subió en los años iniciales.",1091.16,1093.56,{"idx":1345,"utterance_id":1346,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1347,"start_s":1348,"end_s":1349,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},197,"157265","El problema es que va haciendo una escalera y llega al final cuando el asunto es la enseñanza media.",1094.06,1099.66,{"idx":1351,"utterance_id":1352,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1353,"start_s":1354,"end_s":1355,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},198,"157266","¿Por qué?",1100.16,1100.48,{"idx":1357,"utterance_id":1358,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1359,"start_s":1360,"end_s":1361,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},199,"157267","Porque el aprendizaje no se sigue.",1100.98,1103.48,{"idx":1363,"utterance_id":1364,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1365,"start_s":1366,"end_s":1367,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},200,"157268","Veo al gobernador hablar todo el tiempo de escuelas cívico-militares, que básicamente es poner a tres militares retirados para cuidar a los chicos en la hora del recreo y darles tirón de orejas.",1104.48,1115.18,{"idx":1369,"utterance_id":1370,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1371,"start_s":1372,"end_s":1373,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},201,"157269","¿En qué aumenta eso la calidad de la educación?",1115.84,1118.22,{"idx":1375,"utterance_id":1376,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1377,"start_s":1378,"end_s":1379,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},202,"157270","¿en matemáticas?",1118.66,1119.42,{"idx":1381,"utterance_id":1382,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1383,"start_s":1384,"end_s":1385,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},203,"157271","¿La comprensión de textos?",1119.82,1121.04,{"idx":1387,"utterance_id":1388,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1389,"start_s":1390,"end_s":1391,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},204,"157272","Lo que mejora es garantizar un sistema reformado, un sistema de seguimiento del aprendizaje año tras año, año tras año, para asegurar que haya lectura,",1121.66,1131.96,{"idx":1393,"utterance_id":1394,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1395,"start_s":1396,"end_s":1397,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},205,"157273","matemáticas realizadas y con mucha valorización de gente como Gabriel.",1132.44,1136.3,{"idx":1399,"utterance_id":1400,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1401,"start_s":1402,"end_s":1403,"word_count":533,"indexable":178},206,"157274","Profesor, si el docente no tiene apoyo para tener didáctica, no tiene valorización de su trabajo y si no cuenta con un gobernador que no esté cambiando de secretario en secretario para luego ver esos viejos esquemas de compra de material escolar que no sirve para enseñar, pero que sirve para llenar el bolsillo de alguien, la educación no avanza.",1136.92,1157.76,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1405,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1406,"start_s":1407,"end_s":1408,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},"157275","Y hay otra cosa.",1158.04,1159.08,{"idx":1410,"utterance_id":1411,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1412,"start_s":1413,"end_s":1414,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},208,"157276","Estudié en el Colegio Militar de Belo Horizonte.",1159.72,1161.92,{"idx":1416,"utterance_id":1417,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1418,"start_s":1419,"end_s":1420,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},209,"157277","Había uniforme, había saludo, había marcha.",1162.42,1165.4,{"idx":1422,"utterance_id":1423,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1424,"start_s":1425,"end_s":1426,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},210,"157278","Pero había algo fundamental.",1166.02,1168,{"idx":1428,"utterance_id":1429,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1430,"start_s":1431,"end_s":1432,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},211,"157279","Enseñanza integral.",1168.72,1170.54,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1434,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1435,"start_s":1436,"end_s":1437,"word_count":389,"indexable":178},"157280","Llegar muy temprano, ir al aula y, a continuación, tener teatro, deporte y todo lo demás que me dejaba allí hasta el final del día, me hizo tener una educación muy completa.",1171.22,1184.56,{"idx":1439,"utterance_id":1440,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1441,"start_s":1442,"end_s":1443,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},213,"157281","¿Sabían que este es el gobierno?",1184.58,1186.42,{"idx":1445,"utterance_id":1446,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1447,"start_s":1448,"end_s":1449,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},214,"157282","Me gustaría mucho que el gobernador Matheus Simões explicara eso.",1186.9,1189.68,{"idx":1451,"utterance_id":1452,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1453,"start_s":1454,"end_s":1455,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},215,"157283","Es uno de los pocos estados de Brasil; son cuatro, ¿eh, gente?",1190.46,1194.46,{"idx":1457,"utterance_id":1458,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1459,"start_s":1460,"end_s":1461,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},216,"157284","Sólo cuatro estados en Brasil vieron disminuir la cantidad de plazas en la educación de jornada completa.",1194.92,1200.36,{"idx":1463,"utterance_id":1464,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1465,"start_s":1466,"end_s":1467,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},217,"157285","Estamos hablando aquí de casi 30.000 plazas menos en las escuelas de Minas para la educación de jornada completa.",1201.34,1207.12,{"idx":1469,"utterance_id":1470,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1471,"start_s":1472,"end_s":1473,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},218,"157286","Y bueno, Gabriel, tú que eres de Ponte Nova vas a ver la educación decaer.",1207.6,1211.56,{"idx":1475,"utterance_id":1476,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1477,"start_s":1478,"end_s":1479,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},219,"157287","Un gobernador que no cuida a los profesores de Minas Gerais no es querido.",1212.22,1215.98,{"idx":1481,"utterance_id":1482,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1483,"start_s":1484,"end_s":1485,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},220,"157288","Para educar al pueblo de Minas, el profesor tiene que ser valorado.",1216.36,1219.74,{"idx":1487,"utterance_id":1488,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1489,"start_s":1490,"end_s":1491,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},221,"157289","El aprendizaje tiene que estar en el centro y la escuela es lugar de enseñanza, no de policía.",1220,1225.34,{"idx":1493,"utterance_id":1494,"speaker_name":174,"text":1495,"start_s":1496,"end_s":1497,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},222,"157290","Pasamos a otra pregunta con Guilherme Jô.",1225.54,1227.3,{"idx":1499,"utterance_id":1500,"speaker_name":174,"text":1501,"start_s":1502,"end_s":1503,"word_count":414,"indexable":178},223,"157291","Quis retomar la última mención que hiciste respecto a la policía y traer algo de esa discusión, que creo que sin duda marcará el debate nacional y también en el Estado, que es sobre seguridad pública.",1227.36,1241.74,{"idx":1505,"utterance_id":1506,"speaker_name":174,"text":1507,"start_s":1508,"end_s":1509,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},224,"157292","Entonces, en los últimos años hemos presenciado aquí en Minas la llegada y expansión de algunas facciones criminales.",1242.86,1248.82,{"idx":1511,"utterance_id":1512,"speaker_name":174,"text":1513,"start_s":1514,"end_s":1515,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},225,"157293","Y usted también, en sus manifestaciones más públicas, incluso relata un episodio en el que fue asaltado, sufrió un episodio de violencia de verdad.",1249.34,1258.06,{"idx":1517,"utterance_id":1518,"speaker_name":174,"text":1519,"start_s":1520,"end_s":1521,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},226,"157294","Quis entender un poco cuál es su proyecto para eso, en qué sentido.",1258.46,1261.92,{"idx":1523,"utterance_id":1524,"speaker_name":174,"text":1525,"start_s":1526,"end_s":1527,"word_count":389,"indexable":178},227,"157295","El discurso más común habla de una cierta expansión de su seguridad pública, contratación de más policías, pero echo de menos, pues, aquello que creo que también es importante: un trabajo de inteligencia.",1263.38,1274.66,{"idx":1529,"utterance_id":1530,"speaker_name":174,"text":1531,"start_s":1532,"end_s":1533,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},228,"157296","Aún los candidatos no han conseguido presentar una propuesta más objetiva en ese sentido.",1275.62,1280.76,{"idx":1535,"utterance_id":1536,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1537,"start_s":1538,"end_s":1539,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},229,"157297","Bueno, Gui, no fue solo una vez, no.",1281.46,1283.16,{"idx":1541,"utterance_id":1542,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1543,"start_s":1544,"end_s":1545,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},230,"157298","La primera vez que me asaltaron, estaba en el 2104, yendo a la facultad de Derecho, nunca olvidaré el arma en la cabeza y el celular que me llevaron.",1283.4,1289.62,{"idx":1547,"utterance_id":1548,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1549,"start_s":1550,"end_s":1551,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},231,"157299","Después, saliendo de un banco en el centro, el asaltante se puso a mi lado; si no hubiera sido porque un policía militar intercambió disparos con él en plena plaza Afonso Arinos, habría perdido la vida.",1290.08,1298.76,{"idx":1553,"utterance_id":1554,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1555,"start_s":1556,"end_s":1557,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},232,"157300","También me asaltaron en São Paulo por 12 consumidores de droga que me agredieron, me golpearon aquí.",1299.36,1305,{"idx":1559,"utterance_id":1560,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1561,"start_s":1562,"end_s":1563,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},233,"157301","Me rompieron la órbita del ojo, se llevaron mi celular.",1305.38,1307.26,{"idx":1565,"utterance_id":1566,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1567,"start_s":1568,"end_s":1569,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},234,"157302","Además, a veces, en el centro de Belo Horizonte, el ratero intentó llevarse mi celular y yo reaccioné, lo sujeté y no se lo llevó.",1307.38,1313.4,{"idx":1571,"utterance_id":1572,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1573,"start_s":1574,"end_s":1575,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},235,"157303","Este es el mundo cruel en el que vivimos.",1313.92,1315.52,{"idx":1577,"utterance_id":1578,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1579,"start_s":1580,"end_s":1581,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},236,"157304","El trabajador tiene que sudar la camiseta todo el año, compra un celular y se lo roban.",1315.8,1321.48,{"idx":1583,"utterance_id":1584,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1585,"start_s":1586,"end_s":1587,"word_count":414,"indexable":178},237,"157305","Lo peor, cuando abres la ubicación ves que el aparato está en determinado centro comercial popular de esta ciudad; vas a la policía, muestras la ubicación y la policía te dice: \"ah, no puedo, no tengo cómo\".",1321.84,1334.6,{"idx":1589,"utterance_id":1590,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1591,"start_s":1592,"end_s":1593,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},238,"157306","Entré allí el otro día buscando mi aparato, terminé en un edificio al otro lado de la Afonso Pena, con una sala repleta de aparatos sin factura.",1335.1,1343,{"idx":1595,"utterance_id":1596,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1597,"start_s":1598,"end_s":1599,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},239,"157307","¿Cómo es posible que, bajo las narices del gobierno, en la capital, el ciudadano sea tan asaltado?",1343.76,1347.9,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1601,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1602,"start_s":1603,"end_s":1604,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},"157308","Propuesta.",1348.74,1349.44,{"idx":1606,"utterance_id":1607,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1608,"start_s":1609,"end_s":1610,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},241,"157309","Y das en el clavo, amigo.",1349.92,1351.66,{"idx":1612,"utterance_id":1613,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1614,"start_s":1615,"end_s":1616,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},242,"157310","Aquí hay un tipo que es hijo de policía y que no tiene dudas.",1352.26,1354.88,{"idx":1618,"utterance_id":1619,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1620,"start_s":1621,"end_s":1622,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},243,"157311","Estoy del lado de la policía y el bandido conmigo no va a tener oportunidad.",1355.08,1359.4,{"idx":1624,"utterance_id":1625,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1626,"start_s":1627,"end_s":1628,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},244,"157312","No tengo ningún temor en decir que estoy de ese lado.",1359.88,1362.4,{"idx":1630,"utterance_id":1631,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1632,"start_s":1633,"end_s":1634,"word_count":406,"indexable":178},245,"157313","Pero mi padre me enseñó que el principal arma personal de la policía es más que la bala y el calibre: es el cerebro, la capacidad de investigar y la capacidad de realizar una investigación de forma integrada.",1362.82,1373.76,{"idx":28,"utterance_id":1636,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1637,"start_s":1638,"end_s":1639,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},"157314","Te recomiendo ir a la página 21 de nuestro plan de gobierno y conocer la propuesta del Centro Integrado de Inteligencia Criminal con Base Única.",1374.2,1381.86,{"idx":1641,"utterance_id":1642,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1643,"start_s":1644,"end_s":1645,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},247,"157315","No puede ser que nuestro gobierno estatal esté en contra del gobierno federal.",1382.54,1386.5,{"idx":1647,"utterance_id":1648,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1649,"start_s":1650,"end_s":1651,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},248,"157316","Se está votando un sistema único de seguridad pública.",1386.96,1389.58,{"idx":1653,"utterance_id":1654,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1655,"start_s":1656,"end_s":1657,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},249,"157317","Tenemos que estar juntos.",1389.88,1391.3,{"idx":1659,"utterance_id":1660,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1661,"start_s":1662,"end_s":1663,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},250,"157318","Porque si el crimen está organizado, el Estado tiene que estarlo también.",1391.34,1395.02,{"idx":1665,"utterance_id":1666,"speaker_name":174,"text":1667,"start_s":1668,"end_s":1669,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},251,"157319","Ahora, aprovechando esta conversación sobre seguridad pública, su vice es una mujer, Maria Helena Lopes.",1395.34,1401.26,{"idx":1671,"utterance_id":1672,"speaker_name":174,"text":1673,"start_s":1674,"end_s":1675,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},252,"157320","Y en su programa de gobierno está esa propuesta del feminicidio cero.",1401.84,1405.38,{"idx":1677,"utterance_id":1678,"speaker_name":174,"text":1679,"start_s":1680,"end_s":1681,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},253,"157321","¿Cree usted viable hacer una propuesta tan, digamos, audaz frente a los datos de la violencia contra la mujer en Brasil, recordando que la violencia y el machismo están arraigados en toda una estructura cultural del país?",1406.14,1426.44,{"idx":1683,"utterance_id":1684,"speaker_name":174,"text":1685,"start_s":1686,"end_s":1687,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},254,"157322","¿Cómo hará para que el feminicidio cero sea una realidad en Minas Gerais, Gabriel?",1426.76,1430.26,{"idx":1689,"utterance_id":1690,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1691,"start_s":1692,"end_s":1693,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},255,"157323","Se lo digo mirándole a los ojos y pido permiso a ustedes en casa.",1431,1434.2,{"idx":1695,"utterance_id":1696,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1697,"start_s":1698,"end_s":1699,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},256,"157324","Usted es una mujer, trabaja aquí en esta cadena de televisión.",1434.78,1437.58,{"idx":1701,"utterance_id":1702,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1703,"start_s":1704,"end_s":1705,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},257,"157325","No quiero que usted sienta miedo al salir de aquí por ser mujer.",1437.8,1440.12,{"idx":1707,"utterance_id":1708,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1709,"start_s":1710,"end_s":1711,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},258,"157326","Ana, no quiero que usted algún día sufra por ser mujer.",1440.84,1444.58,{"idx":1713,"utterance_id":1714,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1715,"start_s":1716,"end_s":1717,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},259,"157327","Y eso empieza con nosotros, los hombres.",1445.46,1447.56,{"idx":1719,"utterance_id":1720,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1721,"start_s":1722,"end_s":1723,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},260,"157328","Y necesitamos comprender desde temprano: esto es un proceso de educación y ustedes no son objetos.",1448.26,1453.42,{"idx":1725,"utterance_id":1726,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1727,"start_s":1728,"end_s":1729,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},261,"157329","Usted, mujer, que me está escuchando en casa, sepa lo siguiente.",1454.18,1457.42,{"idx":1731,"utterance_id":1732,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1733,"start_s":1734,"end_s":1735,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},262,"157330","Usted no vive en función de un hombre.",1457.44,1459.3,{"idx":1737,"utterance_id":1738,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1739,"start_s":1740,"end_s":1741,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},263,"157331","Usted tiene vida propia, deseo propio y tiene todo el derecho a ser feliz y a hacer lo que quiera.",1459.74,1465.28,{"idx":1743,"utterance_id":1744,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1745,"start_s":1746,"end_s":1747,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},264,"157332","No existe la hipótesis de que Minas Gerais, que tiene la libertad en la bandera, no ofrezca esa libertad también a las mujeres.",1466.08,1471.92,{"idx":1749,"utterance_id":1750,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1751,"start_s":1752,"end_s":1753,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},265,"157333","Si la tierra es de Dona Beija, de Chica da Silva... Gente, aquí sabemos quién fue Ângela Diniz.",1472.44,1480.06,{"idx":1755,"utterance_id":1756,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1757,"start_s":1758,"end_s":1759,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},266,"157334","No puede ser que una mujer sea asesinada por ser mujer.",1481.3,1483.8,{"idx":1761,"utterance_id":1762,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1763,"start_s":1764,"end_s":1765,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},267,"157335","Nuestra vice es Maria Helena, cuatro veces concejala, procuradora de la Cámara Municipal de Montes Claros.",1484.64,1491.22,{"idx":1767,"utterance_id":1768,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1769,"start_s":1770,"end_s":1771,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},268,"157336","La idea del feminicidio cero es de ella.",1491.6,1493.66,{"idx":1773,"utterance_id":1774,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1775,"start_s":1776,"end_s":1777,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},269,"157337","Es de ella porque no llegó para ser figurante en esta fórmula, llegó para ser protagonista.",1494.56,1498.94,{"idx":1779,"utterance_id":1780,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1781,"start_s":1782,"end_s":1783,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},270,"157338","¿Cómo vamos a lograr el feminicidio cero?",1499.3,1501.14,{"idx":1785,"utterance_id":1786,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1787,"start_s":1788,"end_s":1789,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},271,"157339","Fui autor en la Cámara Municipal de Belo Horizonte de la tarifa cero para mujeres que son víctimas de violencia.",1501.94,1507.98,{"idx":1791,"utterance_id":1792,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1793,"start_s":1794,"end_s":1795,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},272,"157340","Entonces voy a empezar por el final.",1508.52,1510.16,{"idx":1797,"utterance_id":1798,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1799,"start_s":1800,"end_s":1801,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},273,"157341","Una mujer que fue amenazada o sufrió violencia debe tener una red estatal de recomienzo.",1510.86,1516,{"idx":1803,"utterance_id":1804,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1805,"start_s":1806,"end_s":1807,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},274,"157342","Esa es la primera propuesta aquí, ¿sabe, Ana?",1516.78,1518.86,{"idx":1809,"utterance_id":1810,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1811,"start_s":1812,"end_s":1813,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},275,"157343","Porque sé que la mujer que fue agredida o maltratada sale de casa sin un centavo en el bolsillo, sin dinero para tomar el autobús.",1519.28,1527.02,{"idx":1815,"utterance_id":1816,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1817,"start_s":1818,"end_s":1819,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},276,"157344","Por eso creé eso cuando era concejal en Belo Horizonte y ya existe.",1527.42,1530.56,{"idx":1821,"utterance_id":1822,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1823,"start_s":1824,"end_s":1825,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},277,"157345","Esa red estatal de recomienzo integra asistencia social, salud, seguridad, porque toda mujer tiene el derecho de ser feliz y recomenzar.",1531.1,1538.92,{"idx":1827,"utterance_id":1828,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1829,"start_s":1830,"end_s":1831,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},278,"157346","Pero no quiero, y por eso se lo digo mirándole mucho a los ojos, que ninguna mujer muera por ser mujer.",1539.64,1544.64,{"idx":1833,"utterance_id":1834,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1835,"start_s":1836,"end_s":1837,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},279,"157347","No es sencillo, pero es lo mínimo que vamos a garantizar.",1545,1548.42,{"idx":1839,"utterance_id":1840,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1841,"start_s":1842,"end_s":1843,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},280,"157348","¿Cómo?",1548.64,1548.94,{"idx":1845,"utterance_id":1846,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1847,"start_s":1848,"end_s":1849,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},281,"157349","No sirve de nada, como ocurre hoy, que el gobierno entregue un papel con la medida de protección a la persona.",1549.44,1554.14,{"idx":1851,"utterance_id":1852,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1853,"start_s":1854,"end_s":1855,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},282,"157350","Eso no funciona.",1554.16,1555.26,{"idx":1857,"utterance_id":1858,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1859,"start_s":1860,"end_s":1861,"word_count":400,"indexable":178},283,"157351","Por cierto, leí hoy que el gobierno anunció una aplicación en el celular, creo que se llamará Maria Mineira, que integra los servicios para que la mujer tenga, que también tenga la localización de quien está... posiblemente agrediéndola.",1555.3,1570.48,{"idx":1863,"utterance_id":1864,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1865,"start_s":1866,"end_s":1867,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},284,"157352","Esa es una idea que estaba en nuestro plan de gobierno.",1570.84,1573.16,{"idx":1869,"utterance_id":1870,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1871,"start_s":1872,"end_s":1873,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},285,"157353","Pero no sirve de nada crear una aplicación si el Estado no está realmente integrado.",1573.76,1578.28,{"idx":1875,"utterance_id":1876,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1877,"start_s":1878,"end_s":1879,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},286,"157354","Ahí está la mejora de lo que no está funcionando.",1578.72,1581.58,{"idx":1881,"utterance_id":1882,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1883,"start_s":1884,"end_s":1885,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},287,"157355","La integración tiene que ser de la siguiente manera.",1581.7,1583.5,{"idx":1887,"utterance_id":1888,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1889,"start_s":27,"end_s":1890,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},288,"157356","En el momento en que la mujer solicita la medida de protección, debe haber un localizador en ese sujeto para que cualquier proximidad alerte a la mujer que está en riesgo.",1592.62,{"idx":1892,"utterance_id":1893,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1894,"start_s":1895,"end_s":1896,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},289,"157357","Que alerte a las policías para que el Estado llegue antes del feminicidio.",1592.98,1597.86,{"idx":1898,"utterance_id":1899,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1900,"start_s":1901,"end_s":1902,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},290,"157358","Y aún hay un punto fundamental en esta historia, que es que debemos reconocer, mire, fui del final al comienzo, que los hombres tienen que asumir la agenda del feminicidio.",1598.38,1607.94,{"idx":1904,"utterance_id":1905,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1906,"start_s":1907,"end_s":1908,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},291,"157359","Primero, hay políticos que no creen en el feminicidio.",1608.54,1611.26,{"idx":1910,"utterance_id":1911,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1912,"start_s":1913,"end_s":1914,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},292,"157360","Mujer asesinada con sierra eléctrica, mujer asesinada en casa por el marido, mujer arrojada de un precipicio aquí en Belo Horizonte, y hay gente que no lo cree.",1612.64,1621.92,{"idx":1916,"utterance_id":1917,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1918,"start_s":1919,"end_s":1920,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},293,"157361","Vean, ¿saben por qué ocurre esto?",1622.6,1624.76,{"idx":1922,"utterance_id":1923,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1924,"start_s":1925,"end_s":1926,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},294,"157362","Porque hay hombres que creen que la mujer... está hecha para ser un objeto del hogar; no son hombres.",1624.82,1630.6,{"idx":1928,"utterance_id":1929,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1930,"start_s":1931,"end_s":1932,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},295,"157363","Necesitamos dejar muy claro que las mujeres están hechas para ser lo que quieran.",1631.08,1635.76,{"idx":1934,"utterance_id":1935,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1936,"start_s":1937,"end_s":1938,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},296,"157364","Las mujeres están hechas para votar, para participar en las elecciones, para decidir los destinos de Brasil y de Minas Gerais.",1636.32,1642.34,{"idx":1940,"utterance_id":1941,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1942,"start_s":1943,"end_s":1944,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},297,"157365","Y en nuestro gobierno, con Maria Helena a mi lado, les garantizo, feminicidio cero.",1642.68,1648.52,{"idx":1946,"utterance_id":1947,"speaker_name":174,"text":1948,"start_s":1949,"end_s":1950,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},298,"157366","Ahora vamos siguiendo aquí hacia nuestra recta final.",1648.8,1650.96,{"idx":1952,"utterance_id":1953,"speaker_name":174,"text":1954,"start_s":1955,"end_s":1956,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},299,"157367","Entonces, gente, seamos concretos en las preguntas, porque solo tenemos seis minutos, ¿vale?",1650.98,1655.92,{"idx":1958,"utterance_id":1959,"speaker_name":174,"text":1960,"start_s":1961,"end_s":1962,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},300,"157368","Ok, Gabriel.",1656.42,1656.96,{"idx":1964,"utterance_id":1965,"speaker_name":174,"text":1966,"start_s":1967,"end_s":1968,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},301,"157369","Habla.",1657.3,1657.52,{"idx":1970,"utterance_id":1971,"speaker_name":174,"text":1972,"start_s":1973,"end_s":1974,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},302,"157370","Ya hice esa pregunta a algunos candidatos, todavía no he sido convencido por una propuesta realista.",1658.06,1662.94,{"idx":1976,"utterance_id":1977,"speaker_name":174,"text":1978,"start_s":1979,"end_s":1980,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},303,"157371","Todos los candidatos hacen un discurso bastante grandilocuente para defender salud, educación y seguridad pública.",1663.74,1669.6,{"idx":1982,"utterance_id":1983,"speaker_name":174,"text":1984,"start_s":1985,"end_s":1986,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},304,"157372","Pero la cuestión del agua, el agua en Minas Gerais.",1670.12,1673.06,{"idx":1988,"utterance_id":1989,"speaker_name":174,"text":1990,"start_s":1986,"end_s":1991,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},305,"157373","3 millones de habitantes de Minas no tienen agua tratada, casi 8 millones tampoco tienen saneamiento básico.",1680.68,{"idx":1993,"utterance_id":1994,"speaker_name":174,"text":1995,"start_s":1996,"end_s":1997,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},306,"157374","Y el Estado vendió la propia empresa, la compañía de agua Opasa.",1680.74,1684.72,{"idx":1999,"utterance_id":2000,"speaker_name":174,"text":2001,"start_s":2002,"end_s":2003,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},307,"157375","¿Qué propuesta tiene usted para llevar a esas personas?",1687.36,1691.38,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":2005,"speaker_name":174,"text":2006,"start_s":2007,"end_s":2008,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},"157376","¿Cómo abordar esa desigualdad social?",1691.52,1693.88,{"idx":2010,"utterance_id":2011,"speaker_name":174,"text":2012,"start_s":2013,"end_s":2014,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},309,"157377","Candidato, por favor, sea breve, para que podamos...",1693.9,1695.66,{"idx":2016,"utterance_id":2017,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2018,"start_s":2019,"end_s":2020,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},310,"157378","Bueno, gente, búsquen en internet quién es José Cláudio Junqueira.",1695.68,1699.68,{"idx":2022,"utterance_id":2023,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2024,"start_s":2025,"end_s":2026,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},311,"157379","Es a quien voy a nombrar Secretario de Estado del Medio Ambiente.",1700.12,1703,{"idx":2028,"utterance_id":2029,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2030,"start_s":2031,"end_s":2032,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},312,"157380","Su currículum muestra que me preocupo por la biodiversidad, los residuos y el agua.",1703.4,1707.34,{"idx":2034,"utterance_id":2035,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2036,"start_s":2037,"end_s":2038,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},313,"157381","Por cierto, soy doctorando en Derecho Ambiental.",1707.58,1710,{"idx":2040,"utterance_id":2041,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2042,"start_s":2043,"end_s":2044,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},314,"157382","Y no podemos tolerar que Minas Gerais aún no trate más del 40% de sus propias aguas residuales.",1710.42,1715.7,{"idx":2046,"utterance_id":2047,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2048,"start_s":2049,"end_s":2050,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},315,"157383","Ese es un compromiso: alcanzar las metas de saneamiento hasta 2033.",1716.22,1720.64,{"idx":2052,"utterance_id":2053,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2054,"start_s":2055,"end_s":2056,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},316,"157384","¿Cómo, Oriol?",1721.5,1722.02,{"idx":22,"utterance_id":2058,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2059,"start_s":2060,"end_s":2061,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},"157385","La Arçai no puede ser un adorno.",1722.58,1724.72,{"idx":2063,"utterance_id":2064,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2065,"start_s":2066,"end_s":2067,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},318,"157386","Nuestra agencia reguladora tiene que estar, sí, junto con la iniciativa privada, haciendo que las tuberías funcionen, para que cada punto de desagüe del Estado se convierta en un lugar de tratamiento.",1725.1,1736.2,{"idx":2069,"utterance_id":2070,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2071,"start_s":2072,"end_s":2073,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},319,"157387","Aún hay otro punto.",1736.68,1737.86,{"idx":2075,"utterance_id":2076,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2077,"start_s":2078,"end_s":2079,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},320,"157388","que hay una persona que me inspira mucho, que es Apolo Eríngia.",1738.38,1740.84,{"idx":2081,"utterance_id":2082,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2083,"start_s":2084,"end_s":2085,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},321,"157389","Dividir nuestro estado de manera muy clara, desde el naciente hasta donde el río llega en la frontera de Minas Gerais.",1741.56,1749.06,{"idx":2087,"utterance_id":2088,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2089,"start_s":2090,"end_s":2091,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},322,"157390","Identificando cada uno de los puntos a la manera de lo que él hizo en el proyecto Manuelzão.",1749.5,1753.78,{"idx":2093,"utterance_id":2094,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2095,"start_s":2096,"end_s":2097,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},323,"157391","Por eso pudimos, y yo lo hice con él, nadar en Santo Hipólito, donde había aguas residuales y empezó a haber peces.",1754.16,1759.48,{"idx":2099,"utterance_id":2100,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2101,"start_s":2102,"end_s":2103,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},324,"157392","Entonces, es con José Cláudio Junqueira, con açaí fortificada, cumpliendo las metas hasta 2033 y valorizando este recurso hídrico.",1759.9,1767.74,{"idx":2105,"utterance_id":2106,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2107,"start_s":2108,"end_s":2109,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},325,"157393","desde el naciente hasta la frontera, que cuidaremos las aguas en Minas Gerais.",1768.02,1771.46,{"idx":2111,"utterance_id":2112,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2113,"start_s":2114,"end_s":2115,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},326,"157394","Candidato,",1771.54,1772.1,{"idx":2117,"utterance_id":2118,"speaker_name":174,"text":2119,"start_s":2120,"end_s":2121,"word_count":473,"indexable":178},327,"157395","estamos llegando al final, pero tengo una pregunta, gente, y luego volveremos comentando este escenario y, por supuesto, esta sabatina, que es para concluir, porque muchas veces su temperamento en la arena política es explotado por la opinión pública y también, claro, por sus adversarios.",1772.22,1789.48,{"idx":2123,"utterance_id":2124,"speaker_name":174,"text":2125,"start_s":2126,"end_s":2127,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},328,"157396","¿Cómo pretende usted, en el escenario de, claro, si llega a elegirse, lidiar con esos arrebatos?",1789.68,1795.6,{"idx":2129,"utterance_id":2130,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2131,"start_s":2132,"end_s":2133,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},329,"157397","de la forma en que estoy lidiando aquí.",1796.72,1797.82,{"idx":2135,"utterance_id":2136,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2137,"start_s":2138,"end_s":2139,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},330,"157398","Sería muy cómodo para mí simplemente decir que no vino nadie a calentarse la cabeza y marcharse.",1799.8,1805.56,{"idx":2141,"utterance_id":2142,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2143,"start_s":2144,"end_s":2145,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},331,"157399","Enfadarse porque no estaba aquí con los demás.",1806.26,1809.38,{"idx":2147,"utterance_id":2148,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2149,"start_s":2150,"end_s":2151,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},332,"157400","O sentirse injusticiado, porque estaría enfrentando a periodistas muy preparados, sin un tiempo claro, con reglas que cambiaron ahora.",1809.94,1816.88,{"idx":2153,"utterance_id":2154,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2155,"start_s":2156,"end_s":2157,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},333,"157401","Pero aquí hay un tipo completamente sereno, dispuesto, porque hay algo que viene con el tiempo.",1817.32,1822.9,{"idx":2159,"utterance_id":2160,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2161,"start_s":2162,"end_s":2163,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},334,"157402","Madurez, gente.",1823.6,1824.9,{"idx":2165,"utterance_id":2166,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2167,"start_s":2168,"end_s":2169,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},335,"157403","Tengo 40 años, soy uno de los más jóvenes en competencia.",1825.88,1829.58,{"idx":2171,"utterance_id":2172,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2173,"start_s":2174,"end_s":2175,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},336,"157404","Entre los que faltaron, el más joven.",1829.84,1832.1,{"idx":2177,"utterance_id":2178,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2179,"start_s":2180,"end_s":2181,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},337,"157405","Y uno se equivoca en la vida.",1832.58,1833.58,{"idx":2183,"utterance_id":2184,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2185,"start_s":2186,"end_s":2187,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},338,"157406","Pero aprendí que todo el mundo tiene la oportunidad de perfeccionarse.",1834.3,1838.6,{"idx":2189,"utterance_id":2190,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2191,"start_s":2192,"end_s":2193,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},339,"157407","Porque quien no cambia, no cambia nada, ¿eh?",1839.26,1841.62,{"idx":2195,"utterance_id":2196,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2197,"start_s":2198,"end_s":2199,"word_count":239,"indexable":178},340,"157408","Y si mi defecto en la política fue, en varios momentos de la vida, haber sido un poco más bravo, es porque sé que para enfrentar a un empresario de autobuses en Belo Horizonte tuve que pelear.",1842.34,1853.28,{"idx":2201,"utterance_id":2202,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2203,"start_s":2204,"end_s":2205,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},341,"157409","Para acabar con ese desmadre que había en la Cámara Municipal, tuve que pelear.",1854,1858.36,{"idx":2207,"utterance_id":2208,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2209,"start_s":2210,"end_s":2211,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},342,"157410","Tener 20 años de vida pública con la camisa impecable.",1859.06,1861.7,{"idx":2213,"utterance_id":2214,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2215,"start_s":2216,"end_s":2217,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},343,"157411","así, sin una mancha de corrupción, no es algo que se consiga fácilmente, no.",1861.74,1865.58,{"idx":2219,"utterance_id":2220,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2221,"start_s":2222,"end_s":2223,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},344,"157412","Pero si mi defecto en la vida pública, ante tanto Banco Master, Daniel Vorcaro, Operación Rejeito y tantas otras corrupciones, es haber perdido un poquito la paciencia en el pasado, pueblo de Minas Gerais, quédense tranquilos.",1866.14,1880.32,{"idx":2225,"utterance_id":2226,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2227,"start_s":2228,"end_s":2229,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},345,"157413","Estoy super paciente.",1880.78,1881.96,{"idx":2231,"utterance_id":2232,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2233,"start_s":2234,"end_s":2235,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},346,"157414","con alegría en el corazón y ganas de cuidar al pueblo de Minas Gerais, con toda la energía de alguien que tiene 40 años y disposición para levantarse temprano, acostarse tarde, no caer en la provocación y seguir un plan.",1882.36,1896.04,{"idx":2237,"utterance_id":2238,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2239,"start_s":2240,"end_s":2241,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},347,"157415","Aquí hay un tipo que se inspira en Juscelino Kubitschek, con su binomio, carretera y energía, y que logró que Minas Gerais se desarrollara.",1896.44,1904.18,{"idx":2243,"utterance_id":2244,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2245,"start_s":2246,"end_s":2247,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},348,"157416","Aquí hay un tipo que tiene 40 años sí y nació después de que Tancredo Neves acabara de morir.",1904.6,1909.52,{"idx":2249,"utterance_id":2250,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2251,"start_s":2252,"end_s":2253,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},349,"157417","Pero sé que desde el balcón del Palacio de la Libertad gritó diciendo que el primer compromiso de Minas Gerais es con la libertad.",1910,1916.76,{"idx":2255,"utterance_id":2256,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2257,"start_s":2258,"end_s":2259,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},350,"157418","Se lo digo con mucha tranquilidad: he cambiado y he cambiado para mejor.",1917.38,1920.72,{"idx":2261,"utterance_id":2262,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2263,"start_s":2264,"end_s":2265,"word_count":377,"indexable":178},351,"157419","Porque quien no se perfecciona, quien tiene la cobardía de no debatir con los demás y quien no sabe decir cuáles son sus defectos o cuáles fueron sus defectos, no es transparente.",1921.22,1932.12,{"idx":2267,"utterance_id":2268,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2269,"start_s":2270,"end_s":2271,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},352,"157420","Aquí hay transparencia total.",1932.9,1934.56,{"idx":2273,"utterance_id":2274,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2275,"start_s":2276,"end_s":2277,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},353,"157421","De hecho, es una invitación que les hago a ustedes.",1935.1,1937.32,{"idx":2279,"utterance_id":2280,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2281,"start_s":2282,"end_s":2283,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},354,"157422","Mi tiempo en televisión no es de los mayores.",1937.96,1939.74,{"idx":2285,"utterance_id":2286,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2287,"start_s":2288,"end_s":2289,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},355,"157423","Al fin y al cabo, no entregué la CEMIG a una federación partidaria para tener más tiempo en televisión.",1939.88,1945.46,{"idx":2291,"utterance_id":2292,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2293,"start_s":2294,"end_s":2295,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},356,"157424","No hago ese tipo de negociado.",1945.9,1947.26,{"idx":2297,"utterance_id":2298,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2299,"start_s":2300,"end_s":2301,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},357,"157425","Eso es cosa de la vieja política.",1947.28,1949.36,{"idx":2303,"utterance_id":2304,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2305,"start_s":2306,"end_s":2307,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},358,"157426","Pero tengo las redes sociales.",1950.2,1951.58,{"idx":2309,"utterance_id":2310,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2311,"start_s":2312,"end_s":2313,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},359,"157427","Así que quería decirles: vayan, no les cuesta nada.",1952.1,1955.56,{"idx":2315,"utterance_id":2316,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2317,"start_s":2318,"end_s":2319,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},360,"157428","El votito ya se los voy a pedir.",1956.06,1957.22,{"idx":2321,"utterance_id":2322,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2323,"start_s":2324,"end_s":2325,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},361,"157429","Pero ahora, ¿qué agarran en su celular?",1957.54,1959.44,{"idx":2327,"utterance_id":2328,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2329,"start_s":2330,"end_s":2331,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},362,"157430","Y mucha gente debe estar diciendo así: '¿Quién es ese Gabriel?'",1960.08,1962.5,{"idx":2333,"utterance_id":2334,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2335,"start_s":2336,"end_s":2337,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},363,"157431","Vayan, abran el celular.",1963.22,1964.96,{"idx":2339,"utterance_id":2340,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2341,"start_s":2342,"end_s":2343,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},364,"157432","Gabriel Azevedo.",1965.94,1967.26,{"idx":2345,"utterance_id":2346,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2347,"start_s":2348,"end_s":2349,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},365,"157433","En TikTok, en Instagram, en X, en X, en Facebook.",1967.54,1972.14,{"idx":2351,"utterance_id":2352,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2353,"start_s":2354,"end_s":2355,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},366,"157434","Sígueme.",1972.68,1973.26,{"idx":2357,"utterance_id":2358,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2359,"start_s":2360,"end_s":2361,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},367,"157435","¿Saben por qué?",1973.62,1974.02,{"idx":2363,"utterance_id":2364,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2365,"start_s":2366,"end_s":2367,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},368,"157436","Porque allí hay propuestas, hay seriedad.",1974.06,1976.02,{"idx":2369,"utterance_id":2370,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2371,"start_s":2372,"end_s":2373,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},369,"157437","Y allí me verán pidiendo su voto.",1976.54,1978.7,{"idx":2375,"utterance_id":2376,"speaker_name":174,"text":2377,"start_s":2378,"end_s":2379,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},370,"157438","Gabriel, para cerrar la mesa, tenemos 30 segundos.",1979.52,1982.62,{"idx":2381,"utterance_id":2382,"speaker_name":174,"text":2383,"start_s":2384,"end_s":2385,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},371,"157439","¿Su mayor deseo, su sueño más grande, no es la Alcaldía de Belo Horizonte?",1982.76,1987.02,{"idx":2387,"utterance_id":2388,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2389,"start_s":2390,"end_s":2391,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},372,"157440","Miren, mi mayor deseo es garantizar que la política no se haga con deseos individuales.",1987.74,1993.24,{"idx":2393,"utterance_id":2394,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2395,"start_s":2396,"end_s":2397,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},373,"157441","Sí, me presenté a concejal porque quise.",1993.9,1995.98,{"idx":2399,"utterance_id":2400,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2401,"start_s":2402,"end_s":2403,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},374,"157442","Me presenté después porque también quise.",1996.66,1998.46,{"idx":2405,"utterance_id":2406,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2407,"start_s":2408,"end_s":2409,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},375,"157443","Y hice un plan para ser alcalde de Belo Horizonte.",1998.98,2001.28,{"idx":2411,"utterance_id":2412,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2413,"start_s":2414,"end_s":2415,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},376,"157444","Será una buena historia para contar.",2001.76,2003.48,{"idx":2417,"utterance_id":2418,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2419,"start_s":2420,"end_s":2421,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},377,"157445","El de Minas que quería ser alcalde y se convirtió en gobernador.",2004.14,2007.44,{"idx":2423,"utterance_id":2424,"speaker_name":174,"text":2425,"start_s":2426,"end_s":2427,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},378,"157446","Muchas gracias, candidato, por participar con nosotros, por aceptar nuestra invitación.",2008.12,2013.08,{"idx":2429,"utterance_id":2430,"speaker_name":174,"text":2431,"start_s":2432,"end_s":2433,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},379,"157447","Vamos concluyendo aquí esta etapa del programa Minas 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Gerais y hablar sobre lo que importa, que es nuestro futuro, que es la política que empezará a regir a partir de enero del año que viene.",2031.08,2051.26,{"idx":2459,"utterance_id":2460,"speaker_name":174,"text":2461,"start_s":2462,"end_s":2463,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},384,"157452","Recorrimos Minas Gerais enterita, trayendo las preguntas... de ustedes, trabajadores y trabajadoras de Minas Gerais.",2051.7,2060.2,{"idx":2465,"utterance_id":2466,"speaker_name":174,"text":2467,"start_s":2468,"end_s":2469,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},385,"157453","Y llevaremos a cabo la misión de trasladar esas preguntitas a través de nuestra redacción a cada una de las asesorías de los candidatos que no estuvieron presentes esta noche.",2060.42,2071.94,{"idx":2471,"utterance_id":2472,"speaker_name":174,"text":2473,"start_s":2474,"end_s":2475,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},386,"157454","Hasta el inicio de las elecciones y de la primera vuelta, les exigiremos a todos ellos que nos envíen las respuestas para ustedes.",2072.32,2080.04,{"idx":2477,"utterance_id":2478,"speaker_name":174,"text":2479,"start_s":2480,"end_s":2481,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},387,"157455","Y a lo largo de nuestro periodismo, traeremos Minas Presente.",2080.42,2084.86,{"idx":2483,"utterance_id":2484,"speaker_name":174,"text":2485,"start_s":2486,"end_s":2487,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},388,"157456","Volvemos enseguida.",2085.54,2086.34,{"idx":2489,"utterance_id":2490,"speaker_name":174,"text":2491,"start_s":2492,"end_s":2493,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},389,"157457","Quédense ahí.",2086.54,2086.98,{"idx":2495,"utterance_id":2496,"speaker_name":174,"text":2497,"start_s":2498,"end_s":2499,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},390,"157458","Los bastidores de las empresas, las decisiones y las tendencias que transforman el mercado.",2098.94,2104.86,{"idx":2501,"utterance_id":2502,"speaker_name":174,"text":2503,"start_s":2504,"end_s":2505,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},391,"157459","Un 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charla",2153.52,2154.56,{"idx":2591,"utterance_id":2592,"speaker_name":174,"text":2593,"start_s":2594,"end_s":2595,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},406,"157474","divertida con quienes",2154.74,2156,{"idx":2597,"utterance_id":2598,"speaker_name":174,"text":2599,"start_s":2600,"end_s":2601,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},407,"157475","hacen latir nuestra cultura.",2156.22,2157.44,{"idx":2603,"utterance_id":2604,"speaker_name":174,"text":2605,"start_s":2606,"end_s":2607,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},408,"157476","Un espacio de valorización del arte y de todos los talentos de Brasil.",2157.5,2157.96,{"idx":2609,"utterance_id":2610,"speaker_name":174,"text":2611,"start_s":2612,"end_s":2613,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},409,"157477","Ven conmigo, no te lo puedes perder.",2158.46,2163.44,{"idx":2615,"utterance_id":2616,"speaker_name":174,"text":2617,"start_s":2618,"end_s":2619,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},410,"157478","Cumpurama con Bauchita, todos los viernes, a las 8 de la noche.",2165.3,2167.32,{"idx":2621,"utterance_id":2622,"speaker_name":174,"text":2623,"start_s":2624,"end_s":2625,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},411,"157479","Política está en todo.",2167.88,2171.78,{"idx":2627,"utterance_id":2628,"speaker_name":174,"text":2629,"start_s":2630,"end_s":2631,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},412,"157480","La política está en todo.",2172.98,2174.1,{"idx":2633,"utterance_id":2634,"speaker_name":174,"text":2635,"start_s":2636,"end_s":2637,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},413,"157481","Quando falamos de política, falamos da nossa própria vida.",2174.28,2176.96,{"idx":2639,"utterance_id":2640,"speaker_name":174,"text":2641,"start_s":2642,"end_s":2643,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},414,"157482","De escolhas que influenciam a economia, a educação, a saúde e o nosso cotidiano.",2179.8,2184.86,{"idx":2645,"utterance_id":2646,"speaker_name":174,"text":2647,"start_s":2648,"end_s":2649,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},415,"157483","No Polis, abrimos espaço para entender melhor esse tema.",2187.72,2191.26,{"idx":2651,"utterance_id":2652,"speaker_name":174,"text":2653,"start_s":2654,"end_s":2655,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},416,"157484","com análises, diálogos, clareza e informação.",2191.72,2195.3,{"idx":2657,"utterance_id":2658,"speaker_name":174,"text":2659,"start_s":2660,"end_s":2661,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},417,"157485","Porque o conhecimento forma cidadãos mais conscientes e isso transforma o mundo.",2195.76,2200.96,{"idx":2663,"utterance_id":2664,"speaker_name":174,"text":2665,"start_s":2666,"end_s":2667,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},418,"157486","Vamos pensar juntos?",2204.3,2205.26,{"idx":2669,"utterance_id":2670,"speaker_name":174,"text":2671,"start_s":2672,"end_s":2673,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},419,"157487","Eu, professor José Luiz, aguardo vocês no Polis, programa inédito, todo domingo, às duas horas da tarde.",2205.9,2213.22,{"idx":2675,"utterance_id":2676,"speaker_name":174,"text":2677,"start_s":2678,"end_s":2679,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},420,"157488","Assista aqui, na América TV.",2213.64,2216.1,{"idx":2681,"utterance_id":2682,"speaker_name":174,"text":2683,"start_s":2684,"end_s":2685,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},421,"157489","A tecnologia muda o mundo, mas como ela muda o seu dia a dia?",2216.68,2220.84,{"idx":2687,"utterance_id":2688,"speaker_name":174,"text":2689,"start_s":2690,"end_s":2691,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},422,"157490","Como ela interfere nos seus negócios?",2221.22,2223.06,{"idx":2693,"utterance_id":2694,"speaker_name":174,"text":2695,"start_s":2696,"end_s":2697,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},423,"157491","Chega de jargões difíceis.",2223.8,2225.66,{"idx":2699,"utterance_id":2700,"speaker_name":174,"text":2701,"start_s":2702,"end_s":2703,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},424,"157492","A gente descomplica a inteligência artificial para você.",2226,2229.18,{"idx":2705,"utterance_id":2706,"speaker_name":174,"text":2707,"start_s":2708,"end_s":2709,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},425,"157493","Inovação, ética, competitividade nos negócios.",2229.96,2233.12,{"idx":2711,"utterance_id":2712,"speaker_name":174,"text":2713,"start_s":2714,"end_s":2715,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},426,"157494","Unindo a força da inteligência humana, a estratégia dos dados e as melhores ferramentas de IA para transformar sua vida.",2233.62,2240.94,{"idx":2717,"utterance_id":2718,"speaker_name":174,"text":2719,"start_s":2720,"end_s":2721,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},427,"157495","Vem com a gente nessa revolução.",2241.42,2242.82,{"idx":2723,"utterance_id":2724,"speaker_name":174,"text":2725,"start_s":2726,"end_s":2727,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},428,"157496","Conexão com IA, todo sábado, às 8 da noite.",2243.06,2245.9,{"idx":2729,"utterance_id":2730,"speaker_name":174,"text":2731,"start_s":2732,"end_s":2733,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},429,"157497","Em cada episódio, uma história bíblica é atravessada pelo olhar da psicanálise.",2247.7,2252.76,{"idx":2735,"utterance_id":2736,"speaker_name":174,"text":2737,"start_s":2738,"end_s":2739,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},430,"157498","Amor, culpa, fé, inconsciente.",2254.66,2258.28,{"idx":2741,"utterance_id":2742,"speaker_name":174,"text":2743,"start_s":2744,"end_s":2745,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},431,"157499","Tudo isso no Cruz e Divã.",2258.72,2260.76,{"idx":2747,"utterance_id":2748,"speaker_name":174,"text":2749,"start_s":2750,"end_s":2751,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},432,"157500","Esperamos você.",2263.46,2264.2,{"idx":2753,"utterance_id":2754,"speaker_name":174,"text":2677,"start_s":2755,"end_s":2756,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},433,"157501",2265.86,2268.32,{"idx":2758,"utterance_id":2759,"speaker_name":174,"text":2760,"start_s":2761,"end_s":2762,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},434,"157502","Muito bem, estamos de volta com o Minas Presente.",2282.38,2285.36,{"idx":2764,"utterance_id":2765,"speaker_name":174,"text":2766,"start_s":2767,"end_s":2768,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},435,"157503","Nós também estamos presente aqui, eu, Duda Ramos, que estou aí nessa missão.",2285.44,2290.22,{"idx":2770,"utterance_id":2771,"speaker_name":174,"text":2772,"start_s":2773,"end_s":2774,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},436,"157504","muito grata, muito especial.",2290.34,2291.9,{"idx":2776,"utterance_id":2777,"speaker_name":174,"text":2778,"start_s":2779,"end_s":2780,"word_count":581,"indexable":178},437,"157505","Quero agradecer a toda a nossa equipe, a Rede Catedral, por ter confiado a mim esse papel e também, é claro, por ter... colocado junto aqui com a nossa equipe, Orion Teixeira, que é nosso colunista de política aqui, todas as segundas no Rede Notícias, segunda edição, também o Guilherme Jorg, que aceitou o convite, repórter do jornal O Fator, e também a Ana Karenina, do Diário do Comércio.",2291.92,2315.3,{"idx":2782,"utterance_id":2783,"speaker_name":174,"text":2784,"start_s":2785,"end_s":2786,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},438,"157506","Muito obrigada, gente.",2315.34,2316.14,{"idx":2788,"utterance_id":2789,"speaker_name":174,"text":2790,"start_s":2791,"end_s":2792,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},439,"157507","A nossa missão agora é levantar a bola para essa discussão política no Estado e a gente falar de tudo o que está acontecendo.",2316.18,2324.48,{"idx":2794,"utterance_id":2795,"speaker_name":174,"text":2796,"start_s":2797,"end_s":2798,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},440,"157508","nos diversos cenários que ao longo das últimas semanas surgiram como merecedores de a gente fazer críticas, olhar com um olhar crítico.",2325.6,2336.84,{"idx":2800,"utterance_id":2801,"speaker_name":174,"text":2802,"start_s":2803,"end_s":2804,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},441,"157509","E aí, olha, não tem como a gente passar sem falar das contradições de alguns candidatos.",2337.58,2343.92,{"idx":2806,"utterance_id":2807,"speaker_name":174,"text":2808,"start_s":2809,"end_s":2810,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},442,"157510","Lembrando que a Minas Gerais ficou no centro da atenção da imprensa nacional por conta de um vai e vem do Cleitinho Azevedo.",2344.46,2353.94,{"idx":2812,"utterance_id":2813,"speaker_name":174,"text":2814,"start_s":2815,"end_s":2816,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},443,"157511","que durante várias semanas, aliás quase meses, não se posicionou se iria ou se não iria ser candidato ao governo do Estado.",2354.86,2363.82,{"idx":2818,"utterance_id":2819,"speaker_name":174,"text":2820,"start_s":2821,"end_s":2822,"word_count":343,"indexable":178},444,"157512","No outro lado dessa moeda das contradições, a gente teve também Alexandre Calil, que se disse então afastado de um campo progressista e que agora ele não reconhece mais seu passado de parcerias e de diálogo com a esquerda brasileira, principalmente com o PT.",2364.26,2382.52,{"idx":2824,"utterance_id":2825,"speaker_name":174,"text":2826,"start_s":2827,"end_s":2828,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},445,"157513","A gente tem também Matheus Simões, né, mandando embora do governo o Marcelo Aro.",2383.12,2389.9,{"idx":2830,"utterance_id":2831,"speaker_name":174,"text":2832,"start_s":2833,"end_s":2834,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},446,"157514","Como que vocês enxergam essas contradições, Orion?",2390.4,2393.68,{"idx":2836,"utterance_id":2837,"speaker_name":174,"text":2838,"start_s":2839,"end_s":2840,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},447,"157515","Olha, Duda, essa campanha tem sido marcada por novelas, né?",2394.4,2397.6,{"idx":2842,"utterance_id":2843,"speaker_name":174,"text":2844,"start_s":2845,"end_s":2846,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},448,"157516","Então, vamos acrescentar mais uma aqui, é do Rodrigo Pacheco.",2398.08,2400.72,{"idx":2848,"utterance_id":2849,"speaker_name":174,"text":2850,"start_s":2851,"end_s":2852,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},449,"157517","Depois de idas e vindas, Pacheco era ou não era candidato, atrasou o processo eleitoral mais de um ano, né?",2401.2,2406.62,{"idx":2854,"utterance_id":2855,"speaker_name":174,"text":2856,"start_s":2857,"end_s":2858,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},450,"157518","Então, tivemos Pacheco, Cleitinho e agora tivemos uma reviravolta nessa semana com Aécio Neves.",2406.66,2411.86,{"idx":2860,"utterance_id":2861,"speaker_name":174,"text":2862,"start_s":2863,"end_s":2864,"word_count":239,"indexable":178},451,"157519","voltando do passado para ser candidato a senador, ele que não estava, divulgou a nota, inclusive, que não seria mais candidato, não seria mais representante parlamentar de Minas Gerais, seria apenas presidente de partido.",2412.2,2426.12,{"idx":2866,"utterance_id":2867,"speaker_name":174,"text":2868,"start_s":2869,"end_s":2870,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},452,"157520","No entanto, houve agora uma reviravolta, ele retirou dois candidatos ao Senado da chapa, cuja cabeça de chapa é o Calil, e vai ser o único candidato a senador nessa chapa.",2426.32,2435.84,{"idx":2872,"utterance_id":2873,"speaker_name":174,"text":2874,"start_s":2875,"end_s":2876,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},453,"157521","Isso demonstra que Minas Gerais não teve os políticos.",2436.16,2439.42,{"idx":2878,"utterance_id":2879,"speaker_name":174,"text":2880,"start_s":2881,"end_s":2882,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},454,"157522","Não planejaram a sua campanha eleitoral, não planejaram os problemas do Estado, não se organizaram nesse sentido.",2439.76,2445.84,{"idx":2884,"utterance_id":2885,"speaker_name":174,"text":2886,"start_s":2887,"end_s":2888,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},455,"157523","Você está querendo dizer, então, que o candidato antigo do PSDB à vaga no Senado, ele não renunciou, ele foi renunciado, é isso?",2445.86,2453.86,{"idx":2890,"utterance_id":2891,"speaker_name":174,"text":2892,"start_s":2893,"end_s":2894,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},456,"157524","Olha, são camadas, né?",2453.88,2456.28,{"idx":2896,"utterance_id":2897,"speaker_name":174,"text":2898,"start_s":2899,"end_s":2900,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},457,"157525","Como exatamente aconteceu, assim, eles foram convidados a deixar os seus mandatos, ou foram colocados ali, estrategicamente, para que o Aécio pudesse avaliar e resolver o seu futuro.",2456.58,2466.66,{"idx":627,"utterance_id":2902,"speaker_name":174,"text":2903,"start_s":2904,"end_s":2905,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},"157526","Porque o Aécio já foi candidato.",2466.86,2468.1,{"idx":2907,"utterance_id":2908,"speaker_name":174,"text":2909,"start_s":2910,"end_s":2911,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},459,"157527","a presidente da República, a governador e agora é senador.",2468.32,2471.18,{"idx":2913,"utterance_id":2914,"speaker_name":174,"text":2915,"start_s":2916,"end_s":2917,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},460,"157528","Ele que é deputado federal hoje.",2471.46,2473.2,{"idx":2919,"utterance_id":2920,"speaker_name":174,"text":2921,"start_s":2922,"end_s":2923,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},461,"157529","Então, quer dizer bem que eu vejo que o papel dele, como o do Romeu Zema, ex-governador, não é de disputar um mandato e disputar novamente essa eleição.",2473.56,2482,{"idx":2925,"utterance_id":2926,"speaker_name":174,"text":2927,"start_s":2928,"end_s":2929,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},462,"157530","É de evitar a extinção de seus próprios partidos.",2482.38,2485.58,{"idx":2931,"utterance_id":2932,"speaker_name":174,"text":2933,"start_s":2934,"end_s":2935,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},463,"157531","O Romeu Zema está cumprindo essa missão para evitar que o Novo se acabe e não cumpra a cláusula de barreiras, da mesma forma o PSDB de Aécio Neves.",2486,2493.94,{"idx":2937,"utterance_id":2938,"speaker_name":174,"text":2939,"start_s":2940,"end_s":2941,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},464,"157532","Tem gente que sente uma dificuldade de aceitar que passou, né?",2494.2,2498.2,{"idx":2943,"utterance_id":2944,"speaker_name":174,"text":2945,"start_s":2946,"end_s":2947,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},465,"157533","Vocês acham que isso acontece aí no cenário mineiro?",2498.24,2500.74,{"idx":2949,"utterance_id":2950,"speaker_name":174,"text":2951,"start_s":2952,"end_s":2953,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},466,"157534","Quer começar?",2502.64,2503.2,{"idx":2955,"utterance_id":2956,"speaker_name":174,"text":2957,"start_s":2958,"end_s":2959,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},467,"157535","Vamos lá.",2504.04,2504.32,{"idx":2961,"utterance_id":2962,"speaker_name":174,"text":2963,"start_s":2964,"end_s":2965,"word_count":169,"indexable":178},468,"157536","Então, eu sei que isso não é simples assim, mas eu acho que as pessoas, em várias camadas da vida humana, deveriam entender o seu melhor momento de parar, porque você escolhe ali o momento de parar, né?",2504.96,2516.46,{"idx":2967,"utterance_id":2968,"speaker_name":174,"text":2969,"start_s":2970,"end_s":2971,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},469,"157537","Isso vale muito para o campo político, mas também vale até para o futebol, e aí fica a provocação mais ampla.",2518.4,2524,{"idx":2973,"utterance_id":2974,"speaker_name":174,"text":2975,"start_s":2976,"end_s":2977,"word_count":414,"indexable":178},470,"157538","Mas, voltando com relação a isso, eu queria resgatar, assim, porque essa eleição, dentro dessas novelas, ela vem romper com aquilo que é o mais básico que existe, que é essa coisa de um certo planejamento, um certo carinho e detalhe.",2524.66,2537.76,{"idx":2979,"utterance_id":2980,"speaker_name":174,"text":2981,"start_s":2982,"end_s":2983,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},471,"157539","As datas, que você tinha ali... todo um cronograma, enfim.",2537.8,2542.56,{"idx":2985,"utterance_id":2986,"speaker_name":174,"text":2987,"start_s":2988,"end_s":2989,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},472,"157540","E também a pré-campanha, que é quando é feito todo um debate acerca do que é o candidato.",2543.08,2548.36,{"idx":2991,"utterance_id":2992,"speaker_name":174,"text":2993,"start_s":2994,"end_s":2995,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},473,"157541","O camarada começa a fazer ali essa discussão dos problemas do Estado e você tem dois desses candidatos que se ausentaram desse debate.",2549.1,2555.32,{"idx":2997,"utterance_id":2998,"speaker_name":174,"text":2999,"start_s":3000,"end_s":3001,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},474,"157542","Então, o Cleitinho, quando ele ficou naquela do vai ou não vai, ele se eximiu de fazer esse debate.",2555.7,2560.34,{"idx":3003,"utterance_id":3004,"speaker_name":174,"text":3005,"start_s":3006,"end_s":3007,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},475,"157543","O Aécio, da mesma forma.",2560.92,2562.16,{"idx":3009,"utterance_id":3010,"speaker_name":174,"text":3011,"start_s":3012,"end_s":3013,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},476,"157544","Então, quando ele entra, da forma como entrou, ele deixou de discutir o Estado nesse período de pré-campanha.",2562.24,2569.74,{"idx":3015,"utterance_id":3016,"speaker_name":174,"text":3017,"start_s":3018,"end_s":3019,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},477,"157545","dessa perspectiva desse representante da Câmara Alta de Minas Gerais no Congresso.",2571.28,2577.5,{"idx":3021,"utterance_id":3022,"speaker_name":174,"text":3023,"start_s":3024,"end_s":3025,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},478,"157546","Eu acho que nesse sentido empobrece muito.",2577.92,2580.36,{"idx":3027,"utterance_id":3028,"speaker_name":174,"text":3029,"start_s":3030,"end_s":3031,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},479,"157547","E eu acho que é ainda pior se isso fizer parte de uma estratégia.",2580.9,2584.58,{"idx":3033,"utterance_id":3034,"speaker_name":174,"text":3035,"start_s":3036,"end_s":3037,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},480,"157548","Porque na medida em que você não anuncia que você é candidato, você também não é escrutinado.",2585.8,2589.6,{"idx":3039,"utterance_id":3040,"speaker_name":174,"text":3041,"start_s":3042,"end_s":3043,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},481,"157549","Fica uma coisa um pouco em suspensa.",2590.64,2592.26,{"idx":3045,"utterance_id":3046,"speaker_name":174,"text":3047,"start_s":3048,"end_s":3049,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},482,"157550","Eu acho que nesse sentido, concordando com o Corion... É uma novela, mas é uma novela ruim, de um roteiro equivocado, por assim dizer.",2592.62,2602.88,{"idx":3051,"utterance_id":3052,"speaker_name":174,"text":3053,"start_s":3054,"end_s":3055,"word_count":350,"indexable":178},483,"157551","Agora, Guilherme e Ana, eu queria que a gente avaliasse um pouquinho esse comportamento dos candidatos de não darem a cara a tapa, de não irem ao encontro da imprensa.",2602.9,2616.1,{"idx":3057,"utterance_id":3058,"speaker_name":174,"text":3059,"start_s":3060,"end_s":3061,"word_count":485,"indexable":178},484,"157552","Isso que a gente viu aqui agora há pouco e que a gente tem visto também no cenário nacional, acho que muitos estados estão vivendo essa mesma... que nós da imprensa mineira estamos vivendo, isso demonstra um certo jogar de ombros dos políticos com a imprensa que a gente estuda, a gente sabe.",2616.56,2637.24,{"idx":3063,"utterance_id":3064,"speaker_name":174,"text":3065,"start_s":3066,"end_s":3067,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},485,"157553","É o quarto poder.",2637.52,2638.34,{"idx":3069,"utterance_id":3070,"speaker_name":174,"text":3071,"start_s":3072,"end_s":3073,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},486,"157554","Como você acha que isso está se formatando, Ana?",2638.86,2642.62,{"idx":3075,"utterance_id":3076,"speaker_name":174,"text":3077,"start_s":3078,"end_s":3079,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},487,"157555","Olha, eu acho que primeiro falar que é um desrespeito com o público, com a equipe de vocês que fez um brilhante trabalho.",2642.76,2650.9,{"idx":3081,"utterance_id":3082,"speaker_name":174,"text":3083,"start_s":3084,"end_s":3085,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},488,"157556","de organizar todo o estúdio,",2651.02,2653.84,{"idx":3087,"utterance_id":3088,"speaker_name":174,"text":3089,"start_s":3090,"end_s":3091,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},489,"157557","etc.,",2653.9,2654.14,{"idx":3093,"utterance_id":3094,"speaker_name":174,"text":3095,"start_s":3096,"end_s":3097,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},490,"157558","e principalmente com o público da TV, da rádio, enfim, de todo mundo que deveria estar ouvindo as propostas dos candidatos.",2654.86,2662.14,{"idx":3099,"utterance_id":3100,"speaker_name":174,"text":3101,"start_s":3102,"end_s":3103,"word_count":377,"indexable":178},491,"157559","Acho que eles estão, infelizmente, apostando nas redes sociais, achando que as redes sociais vão resolver essa questão do voto, complementando um pouco o que o Orion falou e o que o Guilherme falou aqui.",2662.18,2676.88,{"idx":3105,"utterance_id":3106,"speaker_name":174,"text":3107,"start_s":3108,"end_s":3109,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},492,"157560","Eu acho que... essa questão da política feita no bastidor, com peso mais dos partidos.",2677.36,2686.04,{"idx":3111,"utterance_id":3112,"speaker_name":174,"text":3113,"start_s":3114,"end_s":3115,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},493,"157561","Acho que os partidos perderam um pouco as características.",2686.08,2688.6,{"idx":3117,"utterance_id":3118,"speaker_name":174,"text":3119,"start_s":3120,"end_s":3121,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},494,"157562","Você tem aí políticos que eram adversários, que se uniram, e ao contrário, políticos que eram aliados e que hoje são adversários.",2688.68,2698.68,{"idx":3123,"utterance_id":3124,"speaker_name":174,"text":3125,"start_s":3126,"end_s":3127,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},495,"157563","Ou seja, o que a gente percebe é a política do eu sozinho.",2699.12,2703.98,{"idx":3129,"utterance_id":3130,"speaker_name":174,"text":3131,"start_s":3132,"end_s":3133,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},496,"157564","Eu me basto, independente do partido, independente dos aliados ou dos adversários e até da própria imprensa.",2705.08,2711.44,{"idx":3135,"utterance_id":3136,"speaker_name":174,"text":3137,"start_s":3138,"end_s":3139,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},497,"157565","Eu, minha campanha no TikTok, minha campanha no Instagram, isso me basta.",2711.98,2716.6,{"idx":3141,"utterance_id":3142,"speaker_name":174,"text":3143,"start_s":3144,"end_s":3145,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},498,"157566","E isso é sustentável?",2716.64,2717.74,{"idx":3147,"utterance_id":3148,"speaker_name":174,"text":3149,"start_s":3150,"end_s":3151,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},499,"157567","A médio prazo, sem chance.",2719.16,2721.02,{"idx":3153,"utterance_id":3154,"speaker_name":174,"text":3155,"start_s":3156,"end_s":3157,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},500,"157568","Eu acho muito equivocado, tá, Guilherme?",2721.12,2722.84,{"idx":3159,"utterance_id":3160,"speaker_name":174,"text":3161,"start_s":3162,"end_s":3163,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},501,"157569","Se me permite aqui.",2722.92,2723.64,{"idx":3165,"utterance_id":3166,"speaker_name":174,"text":3167,"start_s":3168,"end_s":3169,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},502,"157570","Por favor.",2723.9,2724.22,{"idx":3171,"utterance_id":3172,"speaker_name":174,"text":3173,"start_s":3174,"end_s":3175,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},503,"157571","Começou hoje, exatamente, nessa sexta-feira.",2724.26,2726.86,{"idx":3177,"utterance_id":3178,"speaker_name":174,"text":3179,"start_s":3180,"end_s":3181,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},504,"157572","O programa eleitoral gratuito.",2727.8,2729.66,{"idx":3183,"utterance_id":3184,"speaker_name":174,"text":3185,"start_s":3186,"end_s":3187,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},505,"157573","O programa de TV e rádio.",2729.68,2730.64,{"idx":3189,"utterance_id":3190,"speaker_name":174,"text":3191,"start_s":3192,"end_s":3193,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},506,"157574","Eu acho que sim, é a última oportunidade de os candidatos tentarem mexer nesse quadro que foi criado pelas redes sociais, é verdade.",2730.96,2737.92,{"idx":3195,"utterance_id":3196,"speaker_name":174,"text":3197,"start_s":3198,"end_s":3199,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},507,"157575","Mas esse quadro das redes sociais, ele é estático desde dezembro do ano passado.",2738.32,2743.82,{"idx":3201,"utterance_id":3202,"speaker_name":174,"text":3203,"start_s":3204,"end_s":3205,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},508,"157576","Cleitinho continua com 30%, de lá para cá não cresceu um ponto, nem também perdeu.",2744.08,2749.38,{"idx":3207,"utterance_id":3208,"speaker_name":174,"text":3209,"start_s":3210,"end_s":3211,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},509,"157577","Foi mérito dele.",2750.5,2751.24,{"idx":3213,"utterance_id":3214,"speaker_name":174,"text":3215,"start_s":3216,"end_s":3217,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},510,"157578","Então o desafio dele agora é manter essa liderança para chegar ao segundo turno.",2751.34,2754.12,{"idx":3219,"utterance_id":3220,"speaker_name":174,"text":3221,"start_s":3222,"end_s":3223,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},511,"157579","Eu não sei nem se é mérito, viu, Orion?",2754.14,2755.46,{"idx":3225,"utterance_id":3226,"speaker_name":174,"text":3227,"start_s":3228,"end_s":3229,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},512,"157580","Porque à medida em que ele ficou meses no voo, não voou, ele não sofreu também nenhum tipo de ataque.",2755.52,2762.32,{"idx":3231,"utterance_id":3232,"speaker_name":174,"text":3233,"start_s":3234,"end_s":3235,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},513,"157581","Y ahora él tampoco participa en ningún debate.",2763.18,2766.22,{"idx":3237,"utterance_id":3238,"speaker_name":174,"text":3239,"start_s":3240,"end_s":3241,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},514,"157582","Entonces se está resguardando.",2766.24,2768.2,{"idx":3243,"utterance_id":3244,"speaker_name":174,"text":3245,"start_s":3246,"end_s":3247,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},515,"157583","Lo que dijo Guilherme: se acorta la campaña.",2768.22,2770.18,{"idx":3249,"utterance_id":3250,"speaker_name":174,"text":3251,"start_s":3252,"end_s":3253,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},516,"157584","La campaña debería ser de seis meses; hoy es de 30 días.",2770.2,2774.2,{"idx":3255,"utterance_id":3256,"speaker_name":174,"text":3257,"start_s":3258,"end_s":3259,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},517,"157585","Se va reduciendo cada vez más.",2774.48,2775.74,{"idx":3261,"utterance_id":3262,"speaker_name":174,"text":3263,"start_s":3264,"end_s":3265,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},518,"157586","Ha aparecido un personaje nuevo, Aécio Neves, exgobernador, exsenador, exdiputado.",2775.8,2780.44,{"idx":3267,"utterance_id":3268,"speaker_name":174,"text":3269,"start_s":3270,"end_s":3271,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},519,"157587","En fin, él debería estar participando del escrutinio en general desde hace más tiempo.",2780.66,2783.34,{"idx":3273,"utterance_id":3274,"speaker_name":174,"text":3275,"start_s":3276,"end_s":3277,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},520,"157588","Por la dimensión de los problemas, por la magnitud de nuestras dificultades, debería someterse al escrutinio de todos.",2783.6,2788.78,{"idx":3279,"utterance_id":3280,"speaker_name":174,"text":3281,"start_s":3282,"end_s":3283,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},521,"157589","Y otro empobrecimiento del debate es la llamada polarización política.",2789.26,2792.5,{"idx":3285,"utterance_id":3286,"speaker_name":174,"text":3287,"start_s":3288,"end_s":3289,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},522,"157590","Es un empobrecimiento del debate, porque si no eres de una forma, no eres de la otra; no hay otra alternativa, ya no hay pluralidad.",2792.88,2799.72,{"idx":3291,"utterance_id":3292,"speaker_name":174,"text":3293,"start_s":3294,"end_s":3295,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},523,"157591","Pero entonces ¿crees que fue correcto o... no sé, estratégico, el anuncio del PSDB hoy mismo, diciendo que ya no es de la derecha, que ahora es del centrão?",2799.74,2811.56,{"idx":3297,"utterance_id":3298,"speaker_name":174,"text":3299,"start_s":3300,"end_s":3301,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},524,"157592","Están donde siempre han estado.",2813.28,2814.86,{"idx":3303,"utterance_id":3304,"speaker_name":174,"text":3305,"start_s":3306,"end_s":3307,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},525,"157593","En fin, el PSDB, nace, ¿no?",2815.56,2818.76,{"idx":3309,"utterance_id":3310,"speaker_name":174,"text":3311,"start_s":3312,"end_s":3313,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},526,"157594","Orion es profesor, así, de todos nosotros, así, por favor, corríjanme, así.",2819.86,2824.16,{"idx":3315,"utterance_id":3316,"speaker_name":174,"text":3317,"start_s":3318,"end_s":3319,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},527,"157595","Pero nace como un partido de centroizquierda, de origen socialdemócrata y, como todo partido...",2824.52,2830.5,{"idx":3321,"utterance_id":3322,"speaker_name":174,"text":3323,"start_s":3324,"end_s":3325,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},528,"157596","El conjunto de sus alianzas de gobernabilidad fue deformándolo, empujándolo un poco hacia allá en ese espectro político.",2831.36,2838.08,{"idx":3327,"utterance_id":3328,"speaker_name":174,"text":3329,"start_s":3330,"end_s":3331,"word_count":343,"indexable":178},529,"157597","Habiendo el PSDB polarizado con el PT, un partido claramente de izquierda, en los últimos, prácticamente en los últimos 20 años, acabó siendo empujado un poco hacia la derecha, porque su socio preferencial en las alianzas era el PFL, que era un partido de derecha.",2839.68,2854.52,{"idx":3333,"utterance_id":3334,"speaker_name":174,"text":3335,"start_s":3336,"end_s":3337,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},530,"157598","Y el PSDB era un partido con cuadros muy interesantes, gente.",2855.14,2858.68,{"idx":3339,"utterance_id":3340,"speaker_name":174,"text":3341,"start_s":3342,"end_s":3343,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},531,"157599","Eran socialdemócratas marcados, académicos.",2859.38,2862.14,{"idx":3345,"utterance_id":3346,"speaker_name":174,"text":3347,"start_s":3348,"end_s":3349,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},532,"157600","Tomas al exgobernador de São Paulo, José Serra, al propio Fernando Henrique Cardoso, en fin.",2862.16,2867.56,{"idx":3351,"utterance_id":3352,"speaker_name":174,"text":3353,"start_s":3354,"end_s":3355,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},533,"157601","No sé cómo queda eso, pese también el PSDB, desgraciadamente... Perdió esa densidad.",2868.08,2875.3,{"idx":3357,"utterance_id":3358,"speaker_name":174,"text":3359,"start_s":3360,"end_s":3361,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},534,"157602","Pero, Guilherme, ¿no crees, esto entiendo que es un análisis nuestro también, que seguimos la política más de cerca, con una lupa mayor que la población en general?",2875.34,2887.88,{"idx":3363,"utterance_id":3364,"speaker_name":174,"text":3365,"start_s":3366,"end_s":3367,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},535,"157603","Porque, gente, para la población en general, la impresión, la marca, es que el PSDB era un partido de derecha.",2887.92,2895.64,{"idx":3369,"utterance_id":3370,"speaker_name":174,"text":3371,"start_s":3372,"end_s":3373,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},536,"157604","Entonces, para el brasileño del Brasil profundo allí, ese discurso ahora del partido es medio desorientado.",2896.32,2906.02,{"idx":3375,"utterance_id":3376,"speaker_name":174,"text":3377,"start_s":3378,"end_s":3379,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},537,"157605","El PSDB quedó exprimido.",2906.08,2907.86,{"idx":3381,"utterance_id":3382,"speaker_name":174,"text":3383,"start_s":3384,"end_s":3385,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},538,"157606","Fue adversario histórico durante 20 años del PT, así que era de derecha.",2908.8,2914.42,{"idx":3387,"utterance_id":3388,"speaker_name":174,"text":3389,"start_s":3390,"end_s":3391,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},539,"157607","Pero con el advenimiento del bolsonarismo, el PSDB fue... Creo que varios partidos históricos, como el PSDB, el MDB, fueron quedando sin espacio en esa polarización.",2914.88,2928.34,{"idx":3393,"utterance_id":3394,"speaker_name":174,"text":3395,"start_s":3396,"end_s":3397,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},540,"157608","Buscando ese espacio.",2928.68,2929.7,{"idx":3399,"utterance_id":3400,"speaker_name":174,"text":3401,"start_s":3402,"end_s":3403,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},541,"157609","Porque, como ella dijo allí, el PSDB no era de derecha.",2930.1,2933.22,{"idx":3405,"utterance_id":3406,"speaker_name":174,"text":3407,"start_s":3408,"end_s":3409,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},542,"157610","Creo que esos partidos crecieron con referencia al PT.",2933.28,2936.1,{"idx":3411,"utterance_id":3412,"speaker_name":174,"text":3413,"start_s":3414,"end_s":3415,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},543,"157611","Entonces tienes el petismo y el antipetismo.",2936.22,2939.34,{"idx":3417,"utterance_id":3418,"speaker_name":174,"text":3419,"start_s":3420,"end_s":3421,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},544,"157612","Cuando el PSDB ocupó el lugar del antipetismo, tenía un protagonismo.",2939.36,2943.86,{"idx":3423,"utterance_id":3424,"speaker_name":174,"text":3425,"start_s":3426,"end_s":3427,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},545,"157613","Perdieron ese protagonismo.",2944.1,2945.62,{"idx":3429,"utterance_id":3430,"speaker_name":174,"text":3431,"start_s":3432,"end_s":3433,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},546,"157614","Hoy el bolsonarismo aún resiste a ocupar ese lugar del antipetismo.",2946.18,2950.94,{"idx":3435,"utterance_id":3436,"speaker_name":174,"text":3437,"start_s":3438,"end_s":3439,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},547,"157615","La polarización sigue empobreciendo.",2951,2952.82,{"idx":3441,"utterance_id":3442,"speaker_name":174,"text":3443,"start_s":3444,"end_s":3445,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},548,"157616","Y por eso el propio Aécio hoy dijo: ahora es central, porque están buscando espacio.",2952.84,2957.3,{"idx":3447,"utterance_id":3448,"speaker_name":174,"text":3449,"start_s":3450,"end_s":3451,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},549,"157617","No soy ni esto ni aquello.",2957.32,2958.6,{"idx":3453,"utterance_id":3454,"speaker_name":174,"text":3455,"start_s":3456,"end_s":3457,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},550,"157618","¿Dónde estoy yo?",2959.28,2959.8,{"idx":3459,"utterance_id":3460,"speaker_name":174,"text":3461,"start_s":3462,"end_s":3463,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},551,"157619","¿Están tomando decisiones?",2959.94,2960.98,{"idx":3465,"utterance_id":3466,"speaker_name":174,"text":3467,"start_s":3468,"end_s":3469,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},552,"157620","Es donde hay espacio para crecer.",2961.2,2962.5,{"idx":3471,"utterance_id":3472,"speaker_name":174,"text":3473,"start_s":3474,"end_s":3475,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},553,"157621","Solo queremos convocar la participación de nuestros oyentes y también de los televidentes del interior del Estado.",2963.88,2971.2,{"idx":3477,"utterance_id":3478,"speaker_name":174,"text":3479,"start_s":3480,"end_s":3481,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},554,"157622","Y viene una pregunta para los candidatos de Nanuki.",2971.26,2974.18,{"idx":3483,"utterance_id":3484,"speaker_name":174,"text":3485,"start_s":3486,"end_s":3487,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},555,"157623","Soy Augusto, residente en la ciudad de Nanuque, en el Vale do Mucuri, noreste de Minas.",2977.44,2981.88,{"idx":3489,"utterance_id":3490,"speaker_name":174,"text":3491,"start_s":3492,"end_s":3493,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},556,"157624","Me gustaría preguntar a Cleitinho.",2982.52,2984.1,{"idx":3495,"utterance_id":3496,"speaker_name":174,"text":3497,"start_s":3498,"end_s":3499,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},557,"157625","Cleitinho, Nanuque está en una región de difícil transporte, carreteras pésimas, lo que dificulta atraer negocios mayores.",2985.1,2993.56,{"idx":3501,"utterance_id":3502,"speaker_name":174,"text":3503,"start_s":3504,"end_s":3505,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},558,"157626","¿Cuáles son sus planes para mejorar las carreteras que conectan el Vale do Mucuri con los estados vecinos?",2994.58,3001.16,{"idx":3507,"utterance_id":3508,"speaker_name":174,"text":3509,"start_s":3510,"end_s":3511,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},559,"157627","Gente, ¿para qué sirve la participación de personas como este señor de Nanuque?",3002.94,3007.3,{"idx":3513,"utterance_id":3514,"speaker_name":174,"text":3515,"start_s":3516,"end_s":3517,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},560,"157628","Es para que recordemos que la política se hace para el pueblo.",3007.32,3010.38,{"idx":3519,"utterance_id":3520,"speaker_name":174,"text":3521,"start_s":3522,"end_s":3523,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},561,"157629","Tenemos que comunicarnos con el pueblo de Minas.",3010.78,3012.82,{"idx":3525,"utterance_id":3526,"speaker_name":174,"text":3527,"start_s":3528,"end_s":3529,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},562,"157630","Y esta pregunta va para Cleitinho.",3013.14,3015.54,{"idx":3531,"utterance_id":3532,"speaker_name":174,"text":3533,"start_s":3534,"end_s":3535,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},563,"157631","Vamos remitirla a la asesoría de prensa del candidato y vamos exigir que traiga la respuesta o al menos que reconozca que no sabe responder.",3015.56,3024.18,{"idx":3537,"utterance_id":3538,"speaker_name":174,"text":3539,"start_s":3540,"end_s":3541,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},564,"157632","Nuestro equipo de reportaje hará su trabajo y exigirá.",3024.58,3027.92,{"idx":3543,"utterance_id":3544,"speaker_name":174,"text":3545,"start_s":3546,"end_s":3547,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},565,"157633","que los candidatos respondan a las preguntas del pueblo de Minas.",3028.16,3032.06,{"idx":3549,"utterance_id":3550,"speaker_name":174,"text":3551,"start_s":3552,"end_s":3553,"word_count":350,"indexable":178},566,"157634","Bueno, ese comentario suyo es importante, interesante; también la estrategia y la producción aquí de nuestro debate demuestra que Minas es ese estado continental, con 853 municipios, con diversas realidades.",3032.44,3045.82,{"idx":3555,"utterance_id":3556,"speaker_name":174,"text":3557,"start_s":3558,"end_s":3559,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},567,"157635","Mira, ya he oído hablar de Nanuque varias veces, pero pocas veces la gente dice que es necesario.",3046.12,3050.38,{"idx":3561,"utterance_id":3562,"speaker_name":174,"text":3563,"start_s":3564,"end_s":3565,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},568,"157636","Nanuque es el punto de Minas Gerais más cercano al mar.",3050.4,3053.32,{"idx":781,"utterance_id":3567,"speaker_name":174,"text":3568,"start_s":3569,"end_s":3570,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},"157637","A 100 kilómetros del mar.",3053.84,3054.94,{"idx":3572,"utterance_id":3573,"speaker_name":174,"text":3574,"start_s":3575,"end_s":3576,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},570,"157638","Es decir, entonces el turismo debería ser allí una de las mayores inversiones, el mayor negocio para Minas Gerais.",3055.14,3060.16,{"idx":3578,"utterance_id":3579,"speaker_name":174,"text":3580,"start_s":3581,"end_s":3582,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},571,"157639","Entonces realmente necesita tener allí carreteras, como él dijo, ¿no?",3060.42,3063.56,{"idx":3584,"utterance_id":3585,"speaker_name":174,"text":3586,"start_s":3587,"end_s":3588,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},572,"157640","Acceso fácil y directo al mar.",3063.88,3065.76,{"idx":3590,"utterance_id":3591,"speaker_name":174,"text":3592,"start_s":3593,"end_s":3594,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},573,"157641","Sería el mar de Minas Gerais.",3066,3067.26,{"idx":3596,"utterance_id":3597,"speaker_name":174,"text":3598,"start_s":3599,"end_s":3600,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},574,"157642","Entonces es una incapacidad, es un desconocimiento e ignorancia de los candidatos y no valorar las diversas regiones de Minas Gerais.",3067.62,3074,{"idx":3602,"utterance_id":3603,"speaker_name":174,"text":3604,"start_s":3605,"end_s":3606,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},575,"157643","¿Y tiene Cleitinho alguna propuesta para las carreteras?",3074.02,3075.94,{"idx":3608,"utterance_id":3609,"speaker_name":174,"text":3610,"start_s":3611,"end_s":3612,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},576,"157644","Ustedes que están analizando los programas, ¿saben lo que él piensa sobre el tema?",3076,3079.92,{"idx":3614,"utterance_id":3615,"speaker_name":174,"text":3616,"start_s":3617,"end_s":3618,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},577,"157645","Tapar los baches.",3079.94,3080.62,{"idx":3620,"utterance_id":3621,"speaker_name":174,"text":3622,"start_s":3623,"end_s":3624,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},578,"157646","Sí, esa respuesta más bien superficial.",3082.14,3084.38,{"idx":3626,"utterance_id":3627,"speaker_name":174,"text":3628,"start_s":3629,"end_s":3630,"word_count":503,"indexable":178},579,"157647","Creo que este formato es sumamente importante, que estas preguntas que deberían haber sido dirigidas a los candidatos sean planteadas, porque el momento más interesante para el candidato, aquel que realmente esté discutiendo seriamente gobernar el Estado, es ponerse en el enfrentamiento de ideas con sus adversarios, en fin, y responder directamente lo que la población quiere saber.",3084.68,3107.42,{"idx":3632,"utterance_id":3633,"speaker_name":174,"text":3634,"start_s":3635,"end_s":3636,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},580,"157648","Me parece una pena, reiterando lo que venimos diciendo aquí, que la mayoría de los candidatos se hayan ausentado.",3107.82,3114.08,{"idx":3638,"utterance_id":3639,"speaker_name":174,"text":3640,"start_s":3641,"end_s":3642,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},581,"157649","Y, respondiendo a su pregunta, es superficialmente tapar el bache.",3114.54,3118.14,{"idx":3644,"utterance_id":3645,"speaker_name":174,"text":3646,"start_s":3647,"end_s":3648,"word_count":343,"indexable":178},582,"157650","Y eso es muy malo, que trates un tema tan estratégico, que diga, incluso, de la formación de un ambiente económico más próspero a partir de la infraestructura, y que quede abierto, que el candidato no logre mostrar allí que comprende mínimamente esa cuestión.",3118.52,3132.94,{"idx":3650,"utterance_id":3651,"speaker_name":174,"text":3652,"start_s":3653,"end_s":3654,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},583,"157651","También habla mucho del IPVA, que el coche no será retenido.",3134.22,3138.42,{"idx":3656,"utterance_id":3657,"speaker_name":174,"text":3658,"start_s":3659,"end_s":3660,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},584,"157652","¿Ustedes creen que eso es factible?",3138.44,3139.82,{"idx":3662,"utterance_id":3663,"speaker_name":174,"text":3664,"start_s":3665,"end_s":3666,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},585,"157653","Perdón, perdón.",3142.32,3146.72,{"idx":3668,"utterance_id":3669,"speaker_name":174,"text":3670,"start_s":3671,"end_s":3672,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},586,"157654","Se puede empaquetar, pero así estás renunciando a ingresos, ¿en nombre de qué?",3146.76,3150.1,{"idx":3674,"utterance_id":3675,"speaker_name":174,"text":3676,"start_s":3677,"end_s":3678,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},587,"157655","¿Para qué?",3150.36,3150.72,{"idx":3680,"utterance_id":3681,"speaker_name":174,"text":3682,"start_s":3683,"end_s":3684,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},588,"157656","Vas a hablar del IPVA, puedes hablar del ICMS, ISS, en fin, estamos viviendo un momento de reforma tributaria, todo eso va a ser alterado.",3151.42,3158.54,{"idx":3686,"utterance_id":3687,"speaker_name":174,"text":3688,"start_s":3689,"end_s":3690,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},589,"157657","Eso te promete algo, ¿no?",3158.56,3159.56,{"idx":3692,"utterance_id":3693,"speaker_name":174,"text":3694,"start_s":3695,"end_s":3696,"word_count":426,"indexable":178},590,"157658","Todo va a ser alterado, el IPVA, el ICMS, todo eso será engullido por esa reforma tributaria, por esos nuevos impuestos, CBS, en fin, todo eso se aglutinará ahí, entonces no puedes decir que el IPVA será tan fundamental.",3159.58,3172.48,{"idx":3698,"utterance_id":3699,"speaker_name":174,"text":3700,"start_s":3701,"end_s":3702,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},591,"157659","que las personas creen que es su pasado.",3173.84,3175.64,{"idx":3704,"utterance_id":3705,"speaker_name":174,"text":3706,"start_s":3707,"end_s":3708,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},592,"157660","Entonces, quería volver al punto, Ana, que tú, que todo el mundo aquí criticó.",3176.02,3178.98,{"idx":3710,"utterance_id":3711,"speaker_name":174,"text":3712,"start_s":3713,"end_s":3714,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},593,"157661","¿Cleitinho es populista?",3179,3180.1,{"idx":3716,"utterance_id":3717,"speaker_name":174,"text":3718,"start_s":3719,"end_s":3720,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},594,"157662","Solo una pregunta directa.",3180.18,3181.68,{"idx":3722,"utterance_id":3723,"speaker_name":174,"text":3724,"start_s":3725,"end_s":3726,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},595,"157663","Sí, completamente.",3181.7,3182.5,{"idx":3728,"utterance_id":3729,"speaker_name":174,"text":3730,"start_s":3731,"end_s":3732,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},596,"157664","¿Completamente?",3182.52,3183.52,{"idx":3734,"utterance_id":3735,"speaker_name":174,"text":3736,"start_s":3737,"end_s":3738,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},597,"157665","Yo también, totalmente.",3183.54,3184.78,{"idx":3740,"utterance_id":3741,"speaker_name":174,"text":3742,"start_s":3743,"end_s":3744,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},598,"157666","¿Ese sería entonces el atractivo popular que tiene, lo que lo hace tan popular en las redes sociales?",3184.88,3189.44,{"idx":3746,"utterance_id":3747,"speaker_name":174,"text":3748,"start_s":3749,"end_s":3750,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},599,"157667","¿Eso significa o se materializa en un riesgo?",3189.78,3192.54,{"idx":3752,"utterance_id":3753,"speaker_name":174,"text":3754,"start_s":3755,"end_s":3756,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},600,"157668","Porque en la medida en que él es populista, importa poco si tiene el sustento y la estructura para aplicar esas propuestas que plantea o no.",3192.86,3202.66,{"idx":3758,"utterance_id":3759,"speaker_name":174,"text":3760,"start_s":3761,"end_s":3762,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},601,"157669","Hace no mucho tiempo, en la primera elección presidencial después del gobierno militar, la dictadura militar, surgió un candidato llamado Fernando Henrique Collor, que decía que iba a cazar a los marajás.",3203.18,3213.7,{"idx":3764,"utterance_id":3765,"speaker_name":174,"text":3766,"start_s":3767,"end_s":3768,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},602,"157670","Exacto.",3213.86,3214.3,{"idx":3770,"utterance_id":3771,"speaker_name":174,"text":3772,"start_s":3773,"end_s":3774,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},603,"157671","Entonces hizo de eso un mantra y eso, inclusive, lo eligió.",3214.36,3217.5,{"idx":3776,"utterance_id":3777,"speaker_name":174,"text":3778,"start_s":3779,"end_s":3780,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},604,"157672","Y él fue el primero en ser cazado, porque no tenía... Era una propuesta que no tenía sostenibilidad con lo que proponía.",3218.04,3224.48,{"idx":3782,"utterance_id":3783,"speaker_name":174,"text":3784,"start_s":3785,"end_s":3786,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},605,"157673","Acabó cayendo, hizo varias denuncias, agresiones y no pudo sostenerse.",3224.68,3229.68,{"idx":3788,"utterance_id":3789,"speaker_name":174,"text":3790,"start_s":3791,"end_s":3792,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},606,"157674","Lo hizo a base de golpes bajos y decía que iba a cazar a los marajás.",3229.7,3233.36,{"idx":3794,"utterance_id":3795,"speaker_name":174,"text":3796,"start_s":3797,"end_s":3798,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},607,"157675","Y no los identificaba ni explicaba qué sería eso.",3233.42,3236.12,{"idx":3800,"utterance_id":3801,"speaker_name":174,"text":3802,"start_s":3803,"end_s":3804,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},608,"157676","Refiriéndose, entonces, a una descalificación del servidor público.",3236.38,3239.26,{"idx":3806,"utterance_id":3807,"speaker_name":174,"text":3808,"start_s":3809,"end_s":3810,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},609,"157677","¿Todo populista, entonces, es malo?",3239.4,3242.26,{"idx":3812,"utterance_id":3813,"speaker_name":174,"text":3814,"start_s":3815,"end_s":3816,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},610,"157678","No, no es necesariamente malo.",3243.56,3245.4,{"idx":3818,"utterance_id":3819,"speaker_name":174,"text":3820,"start_s":3821,"end_s":3822,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},611,"157679","Es una técnica de comunicación.",3245.82,3247.74,{"idx":3824,"utterance_id":3825,"speaker_name":174,"text":3826,"start_s":3827,"end_s":3828,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},612,"157680","de acción política junto con el elector, pero tiene que tener un mínimo de compromiso, seriedad, responsabilidad y propuestas ejecutables.",3248.32,3255.02,{"idx":3830,"utterance_id":3831,"speaker_name":174,"text":3832,"start_s":3833,"end_s":3834,"word_count":437,"indexable":178},613,"157681","Iba a decir que espero que, si el populista es elegido, espero lo siguiente: que después de que salgan los resultados, igual que salieron los resultados de Collor, él no deje de tener electores, porque cuando Collor estaba en campaña, todo el mundo se encantó.",3256.36,3273.94,{"idx":3836,"utterance_id":3837,"speaker_name":174,"text":3838,"start_s":3839,"end_s":3840,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},614,"157682","Después de que salieron a la luz todas las cuestiones que involucraban la corrupción en el gobierno de Collor y que hubo el impeachment, entonces nadie había votado por Collor.",3274.7,3283.72,{"idx":3842,"utterance_id":3843,"speaker_name":174,"text":3844,"start_s":3845,"end_s":3846,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},615,"157683","Con Collor no había ningún votante.",3283.76,3285.02,{"idx":3848,"utterance_id":3849,"speaker_name":174,"text":3850,"start_s":3851,"end_s":3852,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},616,"157684","Te preguntaban si habías votado por Collor.",3285.04,3286.42,{"idx":3854,"utterance_id":3855,"speaker_name":174,"text":3856,"start_s":3857,"end_s":3858,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},617,"157685","No, no voté.",3286.48,3287.12,{"idx":3860,"utterance_id":3861,"speaker_name":174,"text":3862,"start_s":3863,"end_s":3864,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},618,"157686","Entonces, yo espero...",3287.7,3288.86,{"idx":3866,"utterance_id":3867,"speaker_name":174,"text":3868,"start_s":3869,"end_s":3870,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},619,"157687","Toda su familia está en el gobierno.",3289.06,3291,{"idx":3872,"utterance_id":3873,"speaker_name":174,"text":3874,"start_s":3875,"end_s":3876,"word_count":491,"indexable":178},620,"157688","Espero que las personas piensen bien en a quién van a votar y dejen las redes sociales, donde todo está muy bien montado, sea... incluso, 'ah, no voy a gastar recursos partidarios, mi campaña va a ser la más barata', ya sea barata o cara, que la gente consiga ver más allá de las redes sociales.",3291.82,3314.82,{"idx":3878,"utterance_id":3879,"speaker_name":174,"text":3880,"start_s":3881,"end_s":3882,"word_count":169,"indexable":178},621,"157689","Oye Guilherme, Ana toca un punto muy interesante, que es así: cuando un pueblo cae en ese cuento de un populista y luego viene un escándalo y todo el mundo siente vergüenza ajena y propia.",3315.12,3329.24,{"idx":3884,"utterance_id":3885,"speaker_name":174,"text":3886,"start_s":3887,"end_s":3888,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},622,"157690","¿Crees que, en ese sentido, todavía vamos a ver a esas personas que votaron por Bolsonaro y que se convirtieron en bolsonaristas sentir eso, sentir arrepentimiento?",3329.88,3344.72,{"idx":3890,"utterance_id":3891,"speaker_name":174,"text":3892,"start_s":3893,"end_s":3894,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},623,"157691","¿O crees que la cosa tomó un camino tan mitológico y casi religioso que no tiene vuelta atrás?",3344.74,3352.18,{"idx":3896,"utterance_id":3897,"speaker_name":174,"text":3898,"start_s":3899,"end_s":3900,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},624,"157692","Entonces, yo creo un poco en eso.",3352.68,3354.24,{"idx":3902,"utterance_id":3903,"speaker_name":174,"text":3904,"start_s":3905,"end_s":3906,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},625,"157693","Y también creo que vale para el otro lado.",3354.84,3357.04,{"idx":3908,"utterance_id":3909,"speaker_name":174,"text":3910,"start_s":3911,"end_s":3912,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},626,"157694","El PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) tuvo momentos de una profunda contradicción política, se vio envuelto en situaciones no democráticas, que tenía un segmento de partidarios más radicales que también aceptaban dobles tuits escarpados cognitivos que... Era difícil de sostener.",3357.76,3375.4,{"idx":3914,"utterance_id":3915,"speaker_name":174,"text":3916,"start_s":3917,"end_s":3918,"word_count":426,"indexable":178},627,"157695","Creo que eso agrava, se vuelve aún más grave en el momento en que las redes sociales, que son ese instrumento de una comunicación absolutamente diseñada para atender mis expectativas más íntimas y subjetivas, hacen que sea aún más difícil desmontarlo.",3375.92,3391.94,{"idx":3920,"utterance_id":3921,"speaker_name":174,"text":3922,"start_s":3923,"end_s":3924,"word_count":406,"indexable":178},628,"157696","Tengo cierto reparo, y creo que Gorião ya lo habrá visto, en tratar la ciencia política un poco en el campo... medio psicológico, porque creo que nos vamos metiendo en algunas esferas difíciles de sostener.",3392.62,3405.88,{"idx":3926,"utterance_id":3927,"speaker_name":174,"text":3928,"start_s":3929,"end_s":3930,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},629,"157697","Pero hay un conjunto de teorías que van a tratar esa cuestión.",3406.24,3408.8,{"idx":3932,"utterance_id":3933,"speaker_name":174,"text":3934,"start_s":3935,"end_s":3936,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},630,"157698","Una de ellas es la disociativa.",3409.14,3413.16,{"idx":3938,"utterance_id":3939,"speaker_name":174,"text":3940,"start_s":3941,"end_s":3942,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},631,"157699","Ahora, además de todo eso, me faltará el concepto.",3413.3,3416.08,{"idx":3944,"utterance_id":3945,"speaker_name":174,"text":3946,"start_s":3947,"end_s":3948,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},632,"157700","Solo quería calificar a Cleitinho en el populismo en el que está, que es ese neopopulista.",3416.62,3422.06,{"idx":3950,"utterance_id":3951,"speaker_name":174,"text":3952,"start_s":3953,"end_s":3954,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},633,"157701","Que trabaja con las redes sociales, que habla directamente con su burbuja, que inflama esa burbuja, que va fermentando eso, ¿sabes?",3422.48,3429.8,{"idx":3956,"utterance_id":3957,"speaker_name":174,"text":3958,"start_s":3959,"end_s":3960,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},634,"157702","Neopopulista.",3430.24,3431.32,{"idx":3962,"utterance_id":3963,"speaker_name":174,"text":3964,"start_s":3965,"end_s":3966,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},635,"157703","Sí, sería un neopopulista por el momento de las redes sociales, con esas tecnologías.",3431.58,3436.56,{"idx":3968,"utterance_id":3969,"speaker_name":174,"text":3970,"start_s":3971,"end_s":3972,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},636,"157704","Pensando que Collor no tenía redes sociales.",3436.58,3438.26,{"idx":3974,"utterance_id":3975,"speaker_name":174,"text":3976,"start_s":3977,"end_s":3978,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},637,"157705","No tenía redes sociales y el daño ya fue grande.",3438.28,3440.7,{"idx":3980,"utterance_id":3981,"speaker_name":174,"text":3982,"start_s":3983,"end_s":3984,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},638,"157706","Ahora vamos al Jequitinhonha con otra pregunta.",3441.14,3444.18,{"idx":848,"utterance_id":3986,"speaker_name":174,"text":3987,"start_s":3988,"end_s":3989,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},"157707","Hola, mi nombre es Waldenberg Moreira, soy abogado.",3445.34,3448.14,{"idx":3991,"utterance_id":3992,"speaker_name":174,"text":3993,"start_s":3994,"end_s":3995,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},640,"157708","Hablo aquí desde la ciudad de Divisópolis.",3448.16,3450.9,{"idx":3997,"utterance_id":3998,"speaker_name":174,"text":3999,"start_s":4000,"end_s":4001,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},641,"157709","Vale do Jequitionha, Minas Gerais.",3451.38,3453.12,{"idx":4003,"utterance_id":4004,"speaker_name":174,"text":4005,"start_s":4006,"end_s":4007,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},642,"157710","Mi pregunta es para el candidato Flávio Roscoi.",3453.84,3456.62,{"idx":4009,"utterance_id":4010,"speaker_name":174,"text":4011,"start_s":4012,"end_s":4013,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},643,"157711","Flávio, usted que es del medio empresarial, me gustaría saber qué propuesta tiene para el Vale do Jequitionha, Minas Gerais, teniendo en cuenta",3457.28,3467.38,{"idx":63,"utterance_id":4015,"speaker_name":174,"text":4016,"start_s":4017,"end_s":4018,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},"157712","que tenemos una de las mayores reservas",3467.4,3469.48,{"idx":4020,"utterance_id":4021,"speaker_name":174,"text":4022,"start_s":4023,"end_s":4024,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},645,"157713","de litio del",3469.52,3470.02,{"idx":4026,"utterance_id":4027,"speaker_name":174,"text":4028,"start_s":4029,"end_s":4030,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},646,"157714","mundo, no tenemos ningún",3470.08,3472.12,{"idx":4032,"utterance_id":4033,"speaker_name":174,"text":4034,"start_s":4035,"end_s":4036,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},647,"157715","puerto seco",3472.26,3473.18,{"idx":4038,"utterance_id":4039,"speaker_name":174,"text":4040,"start_s":4041,"end_s":4042,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},648,"157716","en nuestra región",3473.42,3474.32,{"idx":4044,"utterance_id":4045,"speaker_name":174,"text":4046,"start_s":4047,"end_s":4048,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},649,"157717","y mucho menos tenemos algún incentivo para la creación de distritos industriales.",3474.78,3479.74,{"idx":4050,"utterance_id":4051,"speaker_name":174,"text":4052,"start_s":4053,"end_s":4054,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},650,"157718","Entonces, ¿cómo industrializar el Vale do Jequitinhonha, cómo desarrollar esa región, teniendo en cuenta las riquezas minerales que tenemos aquí en nuestro Vale do Jequitinhonha?",3480.08,3489.46,{"idx":4056,"utterance_id":4057,"speaker_name":174,"text":4058,"start_s":4059,"end_s":4060,"word_count":862,"indexable":178},651,"157719","Personalmente, creo que esta pregunta de ese mineiro, de ese ciudadano mineiro, es un peligro dirigido a Flávio Rosco, porque en manos de Flávio Rosco, esta pregunta se convierte en una codicia desenfrenada y, en mi opinión, lo que va a suceder es que van a transformar esa región en un terreno de explotación, sin el menor cuidado o preocupación por el medio ambiente, pensando sólo en esas propuestas de... aumento de empleos, de lucro y demás, y sin pensar en lo que realmente es lo más importante, que es construir un parque industrial de beneficiamiento de esos metales, lo que garantizaría... que Brasil, que Minas Gerais fuera de verdad un país que compitiera en la lucha y en la carrera tecnológica, ¿no les parece?",3490.58,3543.78,{"idx":4062,"utterance_id":4063,"speaker_name":174,"text":4064,"start_s":4065,"end_s":4066,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},652,"157720","Ese es un problema ancestral de Minas, ¿no es así, Orion?",3544.06,3547.84,{"idx":4068,"utterance_id":4069,"speaker_name":174,"text":4070,"start_s":4071,"end_s":4072,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},653,"157721","Cada pregunta que llega de nuestros telespectadores me remite a los sujões, porque no es sólo eludir una pregunta como esa o no participar de un debate tan importante.",3548.02,3558.5,{"idx":4074,"utterance_id":4075,"speaker_name":174,"text":4076,"start_s":4077,"end_s":4078,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},654,"157722","cómo está la situación de Minas Gerais, cómo es la elección para Minas Gerais.",3558.82,3562.48,{"idx":4080,"utterance_id":4081,"speaker_name":174,"text":4082,"start_s":4083,"end_s":4084,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},655,"157723","Porque el político es más que eludir, es ser arrogante.",3562.72,3566.1,{"idx":4086,"utterance_id":4087,"speaker_name":174,"text":4088,"start_s":4089,"end_s":4090,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},656,"157724","Es creer que sabe todo, que conoce todas las propuestas del Estado, que sabe todas las soluciones y no escucha a las personas que viven allí en esa región.",3566.52,3573.26,{"idx":4092,"utterance_id":4093,"speaker_name":174,"text":4094,"start_s":4095,"end_s":4096,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},657,"157725","Entonces esa cuestión del Jequitimã es fundamental: que no caigamos en esa historia, en ese cuento de hadas de que Minas va... a partir del litio, a partir de las tierras raras, a hacer una revolución industrial, una revolución social.",3574.02,3588.04,{"idx":4098,"utterance_id":4099,"speaker_name":174,"text":4100,"start_s":4101,"end_s":4102,"word_count":377,"indexable":178},658,"157726","Mira, Minas Gerais tiene las venas abiertas desde la colonización y hasta hoy nuestro oro, nuestro diamante, nuestro mineral de hierro se va al exterior, además con una ayudita.",3588.46,3601.74,{"idx":4104,"utterance_id":4105,"speaker_name":174,"text":4106,"start_s":4107,"end_s":4108,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},659,"157727","llamada Ley Candir, que no grava impuestos a la minería, al agronegocio, en fin, y nadie hace nada.",3603.42,3609.98,{"idx":4110,"utterance_id":4111,"speaker_name":174,"text":4112,"start_s":4113,"end_s":4114,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},660,"157728","¿Por qué los políticos no acaban con esa Ley Candir?",3610.08,3612.32,{"idx":4116,"utterance_id":4117,"speaker_name":174,"text":4118,"start_s":4119,"end_s":4120,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},661,"157729","Que ya ha causado un perjuicio de R$ 130 mil millones durante estos 20 años de vigencia.",3612.62,3617.78,{"idx":4122,"utterance_id":4123,"speaker_name":174,"text":4124,"start_s":4125,"end_s":4126,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},662,"157730","Sin embargo, el gobierno actual hizo una negociación mediante el aval del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) y consiguió R$ 8 mil millones en 18 años de recuperación de los R$ 130 mil millones.",3618.14,3628.2,{"idx":4128,"utterance_id":4129,"speaker_name":174,"text":4130,"start_s":4131,"end_s":4132,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},663,"157731","Cuando podría haber hecho... políticamente, un encuentro de cuentas, la deuda de Minas Gerais de R$ 200 mil millones hoy en día.",3628.42,3634.44,{"idx":4134,"utterance_id":4135,"speaker_name":174,"text":4136,"start_s":4137,"end_s":4138,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},664,"157732","Entonces yo lo veo así: eso es una cuestión del pasado.",3634.7,3637.38,{"idx":4140,"utterance_id":4141,"speaker_name":174,"text":4142,"start_s":4143,"end_s":4144,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},665,"157733","Ahora, la Ley Candir sigue vigente.",3637.5,3640.46,{"idx":4146,"utterance_id":4147,"speaker_name":174,"text":4148,"start_s":4149,"end_s":4150,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},666,"157734","Y nadie quiere tocar eso.",3640.78,3641.82,{"idx":4152,"utterance_id":4153,"speaker_name":174,"text":4154,"start_s":4155,"end_s":4156,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},667,"157735","Y ninguna bancada federal lo toca.",3641.84,3643.74,{"idx":4158,"utterance_id":4159,"speaker_name":174,"text":4160,"start_s":4161,"end_s":4162,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},668,"157736","Porque la minería es eso, la minería es eso.",3643.96,3645.82,{"idx":4164,"utterance_id":4165,"speaker_name":174,"text":4166,"start_s":4167,"end_s":4168,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},669,"157737","Siempre cubrí elecciones y todos los candidatos dicen: necesitamos diversificar la economía de Minas, buscar las vocaciones regionales de cada punto del Estado para no depender de la minería.",3646.12,3657.28,{"idx":4170,"utterance_id":4171,"speaker_name":174,"text":4172,"start_s":4173,"end_s":4174,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},670,"157738","Pero cuando se elige... Se queda tan encantado con la minería, con el dinero que entra allí, que se olvida del asunto.",3657.74,3663.06,{"idx":4176,"utterance_id":4177,"speaker_name":174,"text":4178,"start_s":4179,"end_s":4180,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},671,"157739","Ahora, ¿ustedes creen que Flávio Roscoe se comunica con el Vale do Jequitinhonha?",3663.36,3667.44,{"idx":4182,"utterance_id":4183,"speaker_name":174,"text":4184,"start_s":4185,"end_s":4186,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},672,"157740","De alguna forma, sí.",3669.78,3670.76,{"idx":4188,"utterance_id":4189,"speaker_name":174,"text":4190,"start_s":4191,"end_s":4192,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},673,"157741","Como candidato, tendrá que presentar un conjunto de propuestas para la región.",3671,3674.72,{"idx":4194,"utterance_id":4195,"speaker_name":174,"text":4196,"start_s":4197,"end_s":4198,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},674,"157742","No sé si esas propuestas serán asimiladas.",3675.2,3678.22,{"idx":4200,"utterance_id":4201,"speaker_name":174,"text":4202,"start_s":4203,"end_s":4204,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},675,"157743","como bien dijo también Orion, si son ejecutables, si no son fantásticas.",3678.62,3682.62,{"idx":4206,"utterance_id":4207,"speaker_name":174,"text":4208,"start_s":4209,"end_s":4210,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},676,"157744","Pero lo digo, Guilherme, incluso en cuanto a la estética, ¿sabes?",3682.64,3685.5,{"idx":4212,"utterance_id":4213,"speaker_name":174,"text":4214,"start_s":4215,"end_s":4216,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},677,"157745","De lo que él representa.",3685.54,3687.38,{"idx":4218,"utterance_id":4219,"speaker_name":174,"text":4220,"start_s":4221,"end_s":4222,"word_count":420,"indexable":178},678,"157746","Pensando que el Vale do Jequitinhonha, por más que luche desde hace muchos años contra el estigma del Valle de la Pobreza, es sí un lugar de gente muy sencilla, de gente que necesita muchas cosas básicas que aún no han llegado a la región.",3687.42,3702.4,{"idx":4224,"utterance_id":4225,"speaker_name":174,"text":4226,"start_s":4227,"end_s":4228,"word_count":400,"indexable":178},679,"157747","Creo que sí, además porque el candidato llega allí... En otra percepción, el electorado resignificará, intentará igualar de alguna forma esas diferencias, incluso las de un empresario de la región metropolitana de Belo Horizonte que llega.",3703.5,3719.32,{"idx":4230,"utterance_id":4231,"speaker_name":174,"text":4232,"start_s":4233,"end_s":4234,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},680,"157748","Está bien que la política también es identificación, así que, en ese sentido, creo que otros candidatos llevarían una gran ventaja sobre el... ¿Cuáles?",3719.66,3725.64,{"idx":4236,"utterance_id":4237,"speaker_name":174,"text":4238,"start_s":4239,"end_s":4240,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},681,"157749","En el Vale do Jequitimã.",3726.42,3727.36,{"idx":4242,"utterance_id":4243,"speaker_name":174,"text":4244,"start_s":4245,"end_s":4246,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},682,"157750","En el Vale do Jequitimã, creo que Cleitinho, y quizás no por casualidad, por su lenguaje popular, haya elegido el Vale do Jequitimã para lanzar",3727.38,3734.88,{"idx":4248,"utterance_id":4249,"speaker_name":174,"text":4250,"start_s":4251,"end_s":4252,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},683,"157751","hacer el lanzamiento de su campaña.",3735.28,3736.96,{"idx":4254,"utterance_id":4255,"speaker_name":174,"text":4256,"start_s":4257,"end_s":4258,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},684,"157752","¿Y el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) con Patrus?",3737.18,3738.96,{"idx":4260,"utterance_id":4261,"speaker_name":174,"text":4262,"start_s":4263,"end_s":4264,"word_count":239,"indexable":178},685,"157753","Entonces, Patrus tiene, y ahí, una vez más, siempre vamos a pasar por esa herida; Patrus tiene una historia, una identificación interesante a partir de los trabajos que hizo como ministro.",3739.14,3749.96,{"idx":4266,"utterance_id":4267,"speaker_name":174,"text":4268,"start_s":4269,"end_s":4270,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},686,"157754","Así que sería muy interesante tener a Patrus aquí para hablar de eso, para hablar de cómo fue su trabajo.",3750.5,3755.14,{"idx":4272,"utterance_id":4273,"speaker_name":174,"text":4274,"start_s":4275,"end_s":4276,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},687,"157755","Él es del Jequitinhonha, Bocaiuva, Norte de Minas.",3755.26,3761.48,{"idx":4278,"utterance_id":4279,"speaker_name":174,"text":4280,"start_s":4281,"end_s":4282,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},688,"157756","Tiene la identificación.",3761.6,3762.44,{"idx":4284,"utterance_id":4285,"speaker_name":174,"text":4286,"start_s":4287,"end_s":4288,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},689,"157757","El Patrus, señor, tiene otra trayectoria, pero es un hombre sencillo, un hombre que transmite esa serenidad.",3763.02,3771.1,{"idx":4290,"utterance_id":4291,"speaker_name":174,"text":4292,"start_s":4293,"end_s":4294,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},690,"157758","No es el 'Peitinho', que tiene otro nivel de identificación, más popular, con un lenguaje más directo.",3771.14,3776.76,{"idx":4296,"utterance_id":4297,"speaker_name":174,"text":4298,"start_s":4299,"end_s":4300,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},691,"157759","Más joven.",3777.02,3778.16,{"idx":4302,"utterance_id":4303,"speaker_name":174,"text":4298,"start_s":4304,"end_s":4305,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},692,"157760",3778.18,3778.92,{"idx":4307,"utterance_id":4308,"speaker_name":174,"text":4309,"start_s":4310,"end_s":4311,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},693,"157761","Patrus estaba alejado, ¿no, gente?",3779.74,3781.48,{"idx":4313,"utterance_id":4314,"speaker_name":174,"text":4315,"start_s":4316,"end_s":4317,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},694,"157762","Distante, así.",3781.54,3782.6,{"idx":4319,"utterance_id":4320,"speaker_name":174,"text":4321,"start_s":4322,"end_s":4323,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},695,"157763","Y ahora con el inicio de la propaganda electoral gratuita, hasta hoy estábamos aquí conversando sobre la dinámica que los marqueteiros del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) aquí en el Estado eligieron para este primer programa.",3782.88,3798.18,{"idx":4325,"utterance_id":4326,"speaker_name":174,"text":4327,"start_s":4328,"end_s":4329,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},696,"157764","No sé si ustedes vieron, pero de hecho lo que más figuró allí fue el nombre de Lula, fue la intervención de Lula, mucho Lula, poco Patrus.",3798.2,3806.54,{"idx":4331,"utterance_id":4332,"speaker_name":174,"text":4333,"start_s":4334,"end_s":4335,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},697,"157765","¿Qué opinan de esa estrategia?",3806.86,3808.56,{"idx":4337,"utterance_id":4338,"speaker_name":174,"text":4339,"start_s":4340,"end_s":4341,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},698,"157766","Creo que su imagen siempre estuvo muy vinculada a Lula.",3808.6,3811.22,{"idx":4343,"utterance_id":4344,"speaker_name":174,"text":4345,"start_s":4346,"end_s":4347,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},699,"157767","Incluso por sus participaciones en el propio gobierno de Dilma y en el gobierno de Lula, la propia relación de él con Lula.",3812,3818.96,{"idx":4349,"utterance_id":4350,"speaker_name":174,"text":4351,"start_s":4352,"end_s":4353,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},700,"157768","Y no me sorprende que su programa electoral gratuito haga todo ese referencial a Lula.",3819.52,3828.22,{"idx":4355,"utterance_id":4356,"speaker_name":174,"text":4357,"start_s":4358,"end_s":4359,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},701,"157769","¿Pero crees que Patrus en Minas es sólo un palanque para Lula?",3828.34,3832.26,{"idx":4361,"utterance_id":4362,"speaker_name":174,"text":4363,"start_s":4364,"end_s":4365,"word_count":509,"indexable":178},702,"157770","No, no lo veo sólo como palanque para Lula; pienso que intenta capitalizar ese voto que Lula podría darle aquí en Minas, usando la imagen de Lula, así como Flávio Rosco va a usar la imagen de Flávio Bolsonaro, así como Cleitinho también está intentando usar la imagen de Flávio Bolsonaro.",3832.84,3853.18,{"idx":4367,"utterance_id":4368,"speaker_name":174,"text":4369,"start_s":4370,"end_s":4371,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},703,"157771","Y entonces son dos candidatos aquí peleando por saber en cuál palanque Flávio Bolsonaro va a subir o para cuál de los dos Flávio Bolsonaro va a pedir voto.",3854.18,3863.36,{"idx":4373,"utterance_id":4374,"speaker_name":174,"text":4375,"start_s":4376,"end_s":4377,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},704,"157772","O si será un palanque doble.",3863.56,3864.7,{"idx":4379,"utterance_id":4380,"speaker_name":174,"text":4381,"start_s":4382,"end_s":4383,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},705,"157773","Además, aquí en Minas eso está ocurriendo.",3866.18,3868.3,{"idx":4385,"utterance_id":4386,"speaker_name":174,"text":4387,"start_s":4388,"end_s":4389,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},706,"157774","Lleno de palanques dobles, lleno de adversarios.",3868.98,3871.54,{"idx":4391,"utterance_id":4392,"speaker_name":174,"text":4393,"start_s":4394,"end_s":4395,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},707,"157775","Falta de personalidad política.",3871.56,3873.22,{"idx":4397,"utterance_id":4398,"speaker_name":174,"text":4399,"start_s":4400,"end_s":4401,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},708,"157776","Por eso dije que los partidos se han debilitado mucho.",3873.28,3876.84,{"idx":4403,"utterance_id":4404,"speaker_name":174,"text":4405,"start_s":4406,"end_s":4407,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},709,"157777","En toda esta confusión.",3878.74,3879.72,{"idx":4409,"utterance_id":4410,"speaker_name":174,"text":4411,"start_s":4412,"end_s":4413,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},710,"157778","Pero desde el lavachatismo que descalificaron la política.",3879.76,3882.38,{"idx":4415,"utterance_id":4416,"speaker_name":174,"text":4417,"start_s":4418,"end_s":4419,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},711,"157779","Surgió ese momento del apolítico, ¿no?",3882.54,3884.34,{"idx":4421,"utterance_id":4422,"speaker_name":174,"text":4423,"start_s":4424,"end_s":4425,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},712,"157780","Basta de política.",3884.7,3885.48,{"idx":4427,"utterance_id":4428,"speaker_name":174,"text":4429,"start_s":4430,"end_s":4431,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},713,"157781","Entonces, ¿qué vamos a hacer exactamente?",3885.5,3886.76,{"idx":4433,"utterance_id":4434,"speaker_name":174,"text":4435,"start_s":4436,"end_s":4437,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},714,"157782","Ahora estamos viviendo ese nuevo populismo que mencionó Guilherme hace un momento.",3888,3891.96,{"idx":4439,"utterance_id":4440,"speaker_name":174,"text":4441,"start_s":4442,"end_s":4443,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},715,"157783","Es una recuperación de la política; el rescate de la política es fundamental.",3892.5,3895.68,{"idx":4445,"utterance_id":4446,"speaker_name":174,"text":4447,"start_s":4448,"end_s":4449,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},716,"157784","Creo que para Patrus, en este momento, eso está claro para él.",3895.94,3898.48,{"idx":4451,"utterance_id":4452,"speaker_name":174,"text":4453,"start_s":4454,"end_s":4455,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},717,"157785","Que la prioridad es reelegir a Lula, así como la prioridad de Flávio Rosco es elegir al otro Flávio.",3898.9,3904.5,{"idx":4457,"utterance_id":4458,"speaker_name":174,"text":4459,"start_s":4460,"end_s":4461,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},718,"157786","Si ellos pueden añadir algo, valorizándose a sí mismos, entonces podrán agregar algún valor y buscar atraer votos aquí en Minas Gerais, representarlos bien aquí en Minas Gerais.",3905.44,3914.98,{"idx":4463,"utterance_id":4464,"speaker_name":174,"text":4465,"start_s":4466,"end_s":4467,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},719,"157787","Entonces, ¿crees que el Patrusa aceptará el llamado de Lula, ya que... los preferidos de Lula no aceptaron?",3915,3921.04,{"idx":4469,"utterance_id":4470,"speaker_name":174,"text":4471,"start_s":4472,"end_s":4473,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},720,"157788","¿Es una acción altruista de su parte y también una relación con su fidelidad a Lula?",3921.24,3928.72,{"idx":4475,"utterance_id":4476,"speaker_name":174,"text":4477,"start_s":4478,"end_s":4479,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},721,"157789","Está hecho de la polarización política en la que el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) necesita tener un representante aquí, así como Bolsonaro también necesita tener al suyo aquí.",3928.78,3935.48,{"idx":4481,"utterance_id":4482,"speaker_name":174,"text":4483,"start_s":4484,"end_s":4485,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},722,"157790","Tanto es así que no aceptaron a Cleitinho de esa forma.",3935.52,3937.36,{"idx":4487,"utterance_id":4488,"speaker_name":174,"text":4489,"start_s":4490,"end_s":4491,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},723,"157791","Tuvieron que reinventar a ese Flávio.",3937.86,3939.98,{"idx":4493,"utterance_id":4494,"speaker_name":174,"text":4495,"start_s":4496,"end_s":4497,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},724,"157792","Rosca ahí como candidato del PL (Partido Liberal) a gobernador.",3940.34,3943.12,{"idx":4499,"utterance_id":4500,"speaker_name":174,"text":4501,"start_s":4502,"end_s":4503,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},725,"157793","Ahora, Patrúcio tiene vida propia, tiene trayectoria política propia, puede convertir este limón en limonada, pero Lula necesitaba tener su palanque aquí.",3943.56,3950.9,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":4505,"speaker_name":174,"text":4506,"start_s":4507,"end_s":4508,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},"157794","Y creo que llegará el momento en que Patrúcio se mostrará más que un hombre dedicado a la vocación, a la cuestión de la lucha contra el hambre.",3951.28,3960.94,{"idx":4510,"utterance_id":4511,"speaker_name":174,"text":4512,"start_s":4513,"end_s":4514,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},727,"157795","Aquí las políticas públicas de lucha contra el hambre aquí en Belo Horizonte.",3961.56,3964.16,{"idx":4516,"utterance_id":4517,"speaker_name":174,"text":4518,"start_s":4519,"end_s":4520,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},728,"157796","Humanista, ¿no?",3964.22,3964.74,{"idx":4522,"utterance_id":4523,"speaker_name":174,"text":1109,"start_s":4524,"end_s":4525,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},729,"157797",3964.84,3965.32,{"idx":4527,"utterance_id":4528,"speaker_name":174,"text":4529,"start_s":4530,"end_s":4531,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},730,"157798","Luego en el Ministerio con el Bolsa Família también.",3965.52,3968.84,{"idx":4533,"utterance_id":4534,"speaker_name":174,"text":4535,"start_s":4536,"end_s":4537,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},731,"157799","Ya que estamos hablando de él, rapidito, Orião, solo porque tenemos una pregunta para Patrus desde Pedro Leopoldo.",3969.02,3974.52,{"idx":4539,"utterance_id":4540,"speaker_name":174,"text":4541,"start_s":4542,"end_s":4543,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},732,"157800","Vamos a escuchar.",3974.58,3975.32,{"idx":4545,"utterance_id":4546,"speaker_name":174,"text":4547,"start_s":4548,"end_s":4549,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},733,"157801","Hola, mi nombre es Luciana, soy psicóloga, soy de Pedro Leopoldo y la pregunta que me gustaría hacer es para el candidato Patrus Ananis.",3976.34,3984.34,{"idx":4551,"utterance_id":4552,"speaker_name":174,"text":4553,"start_s":4554,"end_s":4555,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},734,"157802","y tiene relación con la Copasa.",3985.06,3986.68,{"idx":4557,"utterance_id":4558,"speaker_name":174,"text":4559,"start_s":4560,"end_s":4561,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},735,"157803","El gobierno de Zema privatizó la Copasa y ya veníamos sufriendo una falta de agua constante.",3986.96,3993.6,{"idx":4563,"utterance_id":4564,"speaker_name":174,"text":4565,"start_s":4566,"end_s":4567,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},736,"157804","y ese problema continúa.",3993.86,3995.52,{"idx":962,"utterance_id":4569,"speaker_name":174,"text":4570,"start_s":4571,"end_s":4572,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},"157805","Hoy mismo acabo de recibir una comunicación en el grupo de WhatsApp del edificio en el que vivo avisando que nos quedaremos sin agua el fin de semana.",3995.92,4004.9,{"idx":4574,"utterance_id":4575,"speaker_name":174,"text":4576,"start_s":4577,"end_s":4578,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},738,"157806","Quisiera saber la posición del patrulho respecto a la Copasa, a la privatización y cómo queda esa cuestión.",4005.26,4011.42,{"idx":4580,"utterance_id":4581,"speaker_name":174,"text":4582,"start_s":4583,"end_s":4584,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},739,"157807","Gracias.",4011.72,4012.28,{"idx":4586,"utterance_id":4587,"speaker_name":174,"text":4588,"start_s":4589,"end_s":4590,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},740,"157808","Gente, esta cuestión de la privatización está preocupando a todo el mundo, ¿no?",4013.32,4016.34,{"idx":4592,"utterance_id":4593,"speaker_name":174,"text":4594,"start_s":4595,"end_s":4596,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},741,"157809","Parece que la gente se despertó tras los ejemplos de la Sabesp en São Paulo.",4016.38,4023.18,{"idx":4598,"utterance_id":4599,"speaker_name":174,"text":4600,"start_s":4601,"end_s":4602,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},742,"157810","Pero privatización IPT... Los malos ejemplos, ¿no?",4023.46,4025.4,{"idx":4604,"utterance_id":4605,"speaker_name":174,"text":1109,"start_s":4606,"end_s":4607,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},743,"157811",4025.6,4026.12,{"idx":4609,"utterance_id":4610,"speaker_name":174,"text":4611,"start_s":4612,"end_s":4613,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},744,"157812","Pero privatización IPT no encaja.",4026.22,4028.12,{"idx":4615,"utterance_id":4616,"speaker_name":174,"text":4617,"start_s":4618,"end_s":4619,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},745,"157813","¿Ustedes creen que en caso de que Patrus fuera elegido, podría frenar esa tendencia?",4028.54,4034.74,{"idx":4621,"utterance_id":4622,"speaker_name":174,"text":4623,"start_s":4624,"end_s":4625,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},746,"157814","Es una ingeniería política bastante compleja.",4035.94,4038.5,{"idx":4627,"utterance_id":4628,"speaker_name":174,"text":4629,"start_s":4630,"end_s":4631,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},747,"157815","Yo voy a... Porque es una especie de violencia contractual que genera mucho desgaste político, ¿saben?",4039.4,4046.18,{"idx":4633,"utterance_id":4634,"speaker_name":174,"text":4635,"start_s":4636,"end_s":4637,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},748,"157816","Inseguridad jurídica.",4046.64,4047.56,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":4639,"speaker_name":174,"text":4635,"start_s":4640,"end_s":4641,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},"157817",4047.6,4048.58,{"idx":4643,"utterance_id":4644,"speaker_name":174,"text":4645,"start_s":4646,"end_s":4647,"word_count":169,"indexable":178},750,"157818","Entonces, estoy intentando plantear un punto aquí con una intervención de otra escena política, que Fernando Haddad está siempre siendo confrontado, y eso es una realidad más patente allá en São Paulo.",4048.62,4060.44,{"idx":4649,"utterance_id":4650,"speaker_name":174,"text":4651,"start_s":4652,"end_s":4653,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},751,"157819","Él habla sobre una eventual anulación del contrato, que consiste en identificar: ¿se está cumpliendo?",4061.1,4065.96,{"idx":4655,"utterance_id":4656,"speaker_name":174,"text":4657,"start_s":4658,"end_s":4659,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},752,"157820","Lo que se propuso.",4066.98,4068.02,{"idx":4661,"utterance_id":4662,"speaker_name":174,"text":4663,"start_s":4664,"end_s":4665,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},753,"157821","Y entonces él da algunos ejemplos de su paso por... En fin, creo que es complicado, creo que es una cuestión bastante delicada, tocarla, si reestatizar.",4068.58,4078.36,{"idx":4667,"utterance_id":4668,"speaker_name":174,"text":4669,"start_s":4670,"end_s":4671,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},754,"157822","Imaginen lo que sería eso, porque reestatizar supone pagar, reembolsar lo que se pagó.",4079.08,4082.94,{"idx":4673,"utterance_id":4674,"speaker_name":174,"text":4675,"start_s":4676,"end_s":4677,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},755,"157823","Yo no lo concibo; la caja del Estado no soporta eso... Pero Europa ya está haciendo eso.",4083.7,4088.82,{"idx":4679,"utterance_id":4680,"speaker_name":174,"text":1109,"start_s":4681,"end_s":4682,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},756,"157824",4088.9,4089.72,{"idx":4684,"utterance_id":4685,"speaker_name":174,"text":4686,"start_s":4687,"end_s":4688,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},757,"157825","Y tenemos que ampliar ese desgaste hacia la Asamblea.",4090.84,4093.02,{"idx":4690,"utterance_id":4691,"speaker_name":174,"text":4692,"start_s":4693,"end_s":4694,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},758,"157826","que aprobó eso, a pesar de nuestra última participación aquí; Bernardo Stilak explica un poco cuál fue el contexto de eso en la Asamblea.",4093.28,4100.98,{"idx":4696,"utterance_id":4697,"speaker_name":174,"text":4698,"start_s":4699,"end_s":4700,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},759,"157827","Porque allí había una discusión del Propag, se necesitaba hacer mínimamente una igualación de cuentas, y entonces la Asamblea encontró como alternativa esa privatización de la Copasa.",4101.36,4112.16,{"idx":4702,"utterance_id":4703,"speaker_name":174,"text":4704,"start_s":4705,"end_s":4706,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},760,"157828","Tiene toda la razón; Europa está tomando el camino inverso, porque ese tipo de servicio no da lucro.",4112.8,4117.44,{"idx":4708,"utterance_id":4709,"speaker_name":174,"text":4710,"start_s":4711,"end_s":4712,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},761,"157829","Al final, porque la inversión que necesita hacerse es muy grande.",4118.22,4121.28,{"idx":4714,"utterance_id":4715,"speaker_name":174,"text":4716,"start_s":4717,"end_s":4718,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},762,"157830","Para 2033 está previsto que se debe avanzar al 100% en saneamiento.",4121.76,4128.56,{"idx":4720,"utterance_id":4721,"speaker_name":174,"text":4722,"start_s":4723,"end_s":4724,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},763,"157831","¿Cómo va a ser eso?",4129.48,4130.62,{"idx":4726,"utterance_id":4727,"speaker_name":174,"text":4728,"start_s":4729,"end_s":4730,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},764,"157832","¿La iniciativa privada va a poner ese dinero o el Estado va a tener que aportar también?",4131.16,4135.24,{"idx":4732,"utterance_id":4733,"speaker_name":174,"text":4734,"start_s":4735,"end_s":4736,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},765,"157833","Si es así, ni siquiera tiene sentido.",4136.16,4137.7,{"idx":4738,"utterance_id":4739,"speaker_name":174,"text":4740,"start_s":4741,"end_s":4742,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},766,"157834","Es una dinámica complicada.",4137.9,4139.2,{"idx":4744,"utterance_id":4745,"speaker_name":174,"text":4746,"start_s":4747,"end_s":4748,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},767,"157835","Orion, ¿crees que el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) en el gobierno del Estado tendría condiciones para frenar esa tendencia o incluso para revertir lo que ya se ha hecho?",4139.22,4146.94,{"idx":4750,"utterance_id":4751,"speaker_name":174,"text":4752,"start_s":4753,"end_s":4754,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},768,"157836","Me parece difícil ante la falta de una propuesta concreta sobre este asunto, porque el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) necesita reencontrarse, inclusive en su propia identidad.",4147.52,4156.7,{"idx":4756,"utterance_id":4757,"speaker_name":174,"text":4758,"start_s":4759,"end_s":4760,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},769,"157837","Hablamos en un rato de Patrus; creo que su principal baza como candidato a gobernador es esa relación con Lula.",4157.46,4164,{"idx":4762,"utterance_id":4763,"speaker_name":174,"text":4764,"start_s":4765,"end_s":4766,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},770,"157838","Eso podrá llevarlo a ser ese representante del centroizquierda.",4164.2,4168.22,{"idx":4768,"utterance_id":4769,"speaker_name":174,"text":4770,"start_s":4771,"end_s":4772,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},771,"157839","El camino está libre para él.",4168.48,4169.94,{"idx":4774,"utterance_id":4775,"speaker_name":174,"text":4776,"start_s":4777,"end_s":4778,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},772,"157840","También porque los otros candidatos están congestionados ahí en el centro-derecha.",4170.28,4173.9,{"idx":4780,"utterance_id":4781,"speaker_name":174,"text":4782,"start_s":4783,"end_s":4784,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},773,"157841","Tenemos tres candidatos ahí: Cleitinho, Matheus Simões y Flávio Roscoe.",4173.94,4177.98,{"idx":4786,"utterance_id":4787,"speaker_name":174,"text":4788,"start_s":4789,"end_s":4790,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},774,"157842","Ellos van a disputar votos entre sí, porque ya hay una vacante, solo hay dos vacantes en el segundo turno.",4178.32,4182.7,{"idx":4792,"utterance_id":4793,"speaker_name":174,"text":4794,"start_s":4795,"end_s":4796,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},775,"157843","Entonces de ese grupo solo uno de ellos pasará al segundo turno.",4182.72,4186.36,{"idx":4798,"utterance_id":4799,"speaker_name":174,"text":4800,"start_s":4801,"end_s":4802,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},776,"157844","En el centro tenemos a Gabriel Azevedo, que estuvo aquí hoy, y además a Calil.",4186.62,4189.68,{"idx":4804,"utterance_id":4805,"speaker_name":174,"text":4806,"start_s":4807,"end_s":4808,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},777,"157845","Y en la centroizquierda tenemos a Patrus casi solo.",4189.7,4193.12,{"idx":4810,"utterance_id":4811,"speaker_name":174,"text":4812,"start_s":4813,"end_s":4814,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},778,"157846","Entonces el campo está abierto para que él pueda ocuparlo.",4193.16,4195.56,{"idx":4816,"utterance_id":4817,"speaker_name":174,"text":4818,"start_s":4819,"end_s":4820,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},779,"157847","Si todos los petistas... hubieran rescatado esa identidad con el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) y con Patrus, él estará en el segundo turno.",4195.84,4203.4,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":4822,"speaker_name":174,"text":4823,"start_s":4824,"end_s":4825,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},"157848","No necesita tener ese apoyo del centro, por ejemplo.",4203.6,4206.18,{"idx":4827,"utterance_id":4828,"speaker_name":174,"text":4829,"start_s":4830,"end_s":4831,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},781,"157849","Allí en el segundo turno él va a necesitar eso.",4206.48,4207.86,{"idx":4833,"utterance_id":4834,"speaker_name":174,"text":4835,"start_s":4836,"end_s":4837,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},782,"157850","Pero para llegar al segundo turno necesita el apoyo de los petistas para llegar allí.",4208.1,4212.24,{"idx":1010,"utterance_id":4839,"speaker_name":174,"text":4840,"start_s":4841,"end_s":4842,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},"157851","Entonces la cuestión de la privatización es un tema que merece ser bien discutido, porque fue un desastre para Minas Gerais entregar su compañía de agua, dejando a 3 millones de habitantes de Minas Gerais sin agua tratada.",4212.48,4225.4,{"idx":4844,"utterance_id":4845,"speaker_name":174,"text":4846,"start_s":4842,"end_s":4847,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},784,"157852","8 mil millones sin saneamiento básico.",4227.64,{"idx":4849,"utterance_id":4850,"speaker_name":174,"text":4851,"start_s":4852,"end_s":4853,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},785,"157853","¿Y por qué ocurrió eso?",4227.66,4228.72,{"idx":4855,"utterance_id":4856,"speaker_name":174,"text":4857,"start_s":4858,"end_s":4859,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},786,"157854","Porque Copasa no atendió a esos municipios y tampoco la iniciativa privada quiso atender a esos municipios.",4229.02,4233.7,{"idx":4861,"utterance_id":4862,"speaker_name":174,"text":4863,"start_s":4864,"end_s":4865,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},787,"157855","Ellos tienen vida propia, buscan sus propios caminos, montan sus propios recursos.",4233.92,4237.66,{"idx":4867,"utterance_id":4868,"speaker_name":174,"text":4869,"start_s":4870,"end_s":4871,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},788,"157856","Conocí a un alcalde que decía que captaba el agua y que él mismo hacía el tratamiento con cloro, luego distribuía por gravedad esa agua.",4237.9,4246.32,{"idx":4873,"utterance_id":4874,"speaker_name":174,"text":4875,"start_s":4876,"end_s":4877,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},789,"157857","Y le pregunté a él, ¿y el saneamiento?",4246.64,4247.86,{"idx":4879,"utterance_id":4880,"speaker_name":174,"text":4881,"start_s":4882,"end_s":4883,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},790,"157858","No, el saneamiento básico, lo vierto todo en el otro río.",4248.02,4249.72,{"idx":4885,"utterance_id":4886,"speaker_name":174,"text":4887,"start_s":4888,"end_s":4889,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},791,"157859","Porque hay que resolver allí la primera necesidad.",4250.04,4252.72,{"idx":4891,"utterance_id":4892,"speaker_name":174,"text":4893,"start_s":4894,"end_s":4895,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},792,"157860","Tiene que haber alguna solución, ¿no?",4252.78,4253.86,{"idx":4897,"utterance_id":4898,"speaker_name":174,"text":4899,"start_s":4900,"end_s":4901,"word_count":485,"indexable":178},793,"157861","También conversé una vez con algunos gestores públicos de la región de Montes Claros, al norte de Minas, y era impactante, porque mientras nosotros aquí en Belo Horizonte, en la región metropolitana, hablábamos de modernización de los sistemas, allí la gente llevaba dos años hablando de la creación de cisternas.",4254.02,4273.7,{"idx":4903,"utterance_id":4904,"speaker_name":174,"text":4905,"start_s":4906,"end_s":4907,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},794,"157862","Es muy precario, ¿no, gente?",4274.88,4276.08,{"idx":4909,"utterance_id":4910,"speaker_name":174,"text":4911,"start_s":4912,"end_s":4913,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},795,"157863","Minas Gerais, por cierto...",4276.16,4276.96,{"idx":4915,"utterance_id":4916,"speaker_name":174,"text":4917,"start_s":4918,"end_s":4919,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},796,"157864","La cuestión del agua es prehistórica.",4276.98,4278.14,{"idx":4921,"utterance_id":4922,"speaker_name":174,"text":4923,"start_s":4924,"end_s":4925,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},797,"157865","Es prehistórico.",4278.16,4278.98,{"idx":4927,"utterance_id":4928,"speaker_name":174,"text":4929,"start_s":4930,"end_s":4931,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},798,"157866","Si vamos a hablar de Minas Gerais, es un desafío gigantesco, ¿no es así, Ana?",4279,4283.14,{"idx":4933,"utterance_id":4934,"speaker_name":174,"text":4935,"start_s":4936,"end_s":4937,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},799,"157867","Es una desigualdad regional absurda.",4283.18,4284.94,{"idx":4939,"utterance_id":4940,"speaker_name":174,"text":4941,"start_s":4942,"end_s":4943,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},800,"157868","Absurda.",4285.1,4286.08,{"idx":4945,"utterance_id":4946,"speaker_name":174,"text":4947,"start_s":4948,"end_s":4949,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},801,"157869","¿Cómo crees, quién de estos candidatos...",4286.32,4288.26,{"idx":4951,"utterance_id":4952,"speaker_name":174,"text":4953,"start_s":4954,"end_s":4955,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},802,"157870","crees que tiene más conciencia de la magnitud de la desigualdad regional?",4288.3,4292.72,{"idx":4957,"utterance_id":4958,"speaker_name":174,"text":4959,"start_s":4960,"end_s":4961,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},803,"157871","No sé si conciencia, pero creo, por ejemplo, que el propio gobernador está muy bien informado por tener la maquinaria en la mano y ya lleva ocho años en el gobierno intentando, al menos, entrar.",4292.94,4305.5,{"idx":4963,"utterance_id":4964,"speaker_name":174,"text":4965,"start_s":4966,"end_s":4967,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},804,"157872","en todas las regiones del Estado y conversar con esas regiones del Estado.",4306.04,4310.12,{"idx":4969,"utterance_id":4970,"speaker_name":174,"text":4971,"start_s":4972,"end_s":4973,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},805,"157873","Ahora, si tiene conciencia de que cada región necesita políticas diferentes, inversiones diferentes, prioridades diferentes, ahí ya no lo sé.",4310.96,4322.32,{"idx":4975,"utterance_id":4976,"speaker_name":174,"text":4977,"start_s":4978,"end_s":4979,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},806,"157874","Pero no sé si ella es especialista en política económica, cuéntame una cosa.",4322.82,4326.12,{"idx":4981,"utterance_id":4982,"speaker_name":174,"text":4983,"start_s":4984,"end_s":4985,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},807,"157875","Pero es tan importante o más que la estetización o privatización; es la cuestión de la gestión.",4326.56,4331.56,{"idx":4987,"utterance_id":4988,"speaker_name":174,"text":4989,"start_s":4990,"end_s":4991,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},808,"157876","El gobierno dijo que vendió a Copasa porque estaba... inutilizada, ineficiente.",4332.06,4335.98,{"idx":4993,"utterance_id":4994,"speaker_name":174,"text":4995,"start_s":4996,"end_s":4997,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},809,"157877","Y que no tenía buena gestión.",4336,4337.06,{"idx":4999,"utterance_id":5000,"speaker_name":174,"text":5001,"start_s":5002,"end_s":5003,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},810,"157878","¿Quién es el gestor de Copasa?",4337.54,4339.16,{"idx":5005,"utterance_id":5006,"speaker_name":174,"text":5007,"start_s":5008,"end_s":5009,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},811,"157879","¿Quién es el gestor de Semig, si no es el gobernador del Estado?",4339.42,4341.66,{"idx":5011,"utterance_id":5012,"speaker_name":174,"text":5013,"start_s":5014,"end_s":5015,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},812,"157880","Entonces, cambia el mando y pon una administración eficiente.",4341.92,4345.4,{"idx":5017,"utterance_id":5018,"speaker_name":174,"text":5019,"start_s":5020,"end_s":5021,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},813,"157881","Ahora, ¿viste a Gabriel hace un rato diciendo aquí que el gobernador actual, candidato a la reelección, entregó, va a entregar la dirección de la Semig a un partido que lo apoya?",4345.68,4356.28,{"idx":5023,"utterance_id":5024,"speaker_name":174,"text":5025,"start_s":5026,"end_s":5027,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},814,"157882","O sea, parece que el partido ya está cobrando esa cuenta, porque si él no fue reelegido, al menos tres meses ellos ocuparon la Semig.",4356.68,4364.34,{"idx":5029,"utterance_id":5030,"speaker_name":174,"text":5031,"start_s":5032,"end_s":5033,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},815,"157883","¿No existe preocupación por la gestión, no?",4365.66,4367.64,{"idx":5035,"utterance_id":5036,"speaker_name":174,"text":5037,"start_s":5038,"end_s":5039,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},816,"157884","En realidad, sí existe.",4368.92,4369.82,{"idx":5041,"utterance_id":5042,"speaker_name":174,"text":5043,"start_s":5044,"end_s":5045,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},817,"157885","que te quedes ahí en el cargo el máximo tiempo que puedas.",4369.86,4372.2,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":5047,"speaker_name":174,"text":5048,"start_s":5049,"end_s":5050,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},"157886","Sacarles todos los provechos.",4372.66,4374.24,{"idx":5052,"utterance_id":5053,"speaker_name":174,"text":5054,"start_s":5055,"end_s":5056,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},819,"157887","Quitarles los beneficios.",4374.28,4375.34,{"idx":5058,"utterance_id":5059,"speaker_name":174,"text":5060,"start_s":5061,"end_s":5062,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},820,"157888","Vamos rapidito, Guilherme, para el Vale Alto Paranaíba, a saber qué quiere la gente allí preguntar a los candidatos.",4375.8,4385.34,{"idx":5064,"utterance_id":5065,"speaker_name":174,"text":5066,"start_s":5067,"end_s":5068,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},821,"157889","Mi nombre es Flávio Márcio Ferreira Silva, soy de São Gotardo, en la región del Alto Paranaíba.",4386.34,4392.64,{"idx":5070,"utterance_id":5071,"speaker_name":174,"text":5072,"start_s":5073,"end_s":5074,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},822,"157890","Soy productor rural y hoy soy presidente de la AMIPA, Associação Mineira dos Produtores de Alho.",4393.68,4402.12,{"idx":5076,"utterance_id":5077,"speaker_name":174,"text":5078,"start_s":5079,"end_s":5080,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},823,"157891","Senador Cleitinho, ¿cuáles son sus propuestas para el agronegocio y, en caso de ganar la elección, cómo pretende estructurar la Secretaría de Agricultura?",4403.1,4414.96,{"idx":5082,"utterance_id":5083,"speaker_name":174,"text":5084,"start_s":5085,"end_s":5086,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},824,"157892","Muy bien, ahí está la pregunta.",4416.68,4419.28,{"idx":5088,"utterance_id":5089,"speaker_name":174,"text":5090,"start_s":5091,"end_s":5092,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},825,"157893","Ahora vamos con otra pregunta para Cleitinho, gente.",4420.4,4423.94,{"idx":5094,"utterance_id":5095,"speaker_name":174,"text":5096,"start_s":5097,"end_s":5098,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},826,"157894","Parece que en el repertorio mineiro, Cleitinho se está repartiendo mejor.",4423.98,4430.12,{"idx":5100,"utterance_id":5101,"speaker_name":174,"text":5102,"start_s":5103,"end_s":5104,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},827,"157895","Se refleja en las encuestas.",4430.14,4430.78,{"idx":5106,"utterance_id":5107,"speaker_name":174,"text":5108,"start_s":5109,"end_s":5110,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},828,"157896","Exacto, el Estado refleja las encuestas mismo, la muestra de las preguntas.",4432.9,4437.74,{"idx":5112,"utterance_id":5113,"speaker_name":174,"text":3766,"start_s":5114,"end_s":5115,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},829,"157897",4438.16,4438.66,{"idx":5117,"utterance_id":5118,"speaker_name":174,"text":5119,"start_s":5120,"end_s":5121,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},830,"157898","Ahora vamos, mira, Adriana Reis preguntó en nuestra transmisión en YouTube, ella dijo: mira, soy profesora de la red estadual, la educación integral",4439.34,4449.88,{"idx":5123,"utterance_id":5124,"speaker_name":174,"text":5125,"start_s":5126,"end_s":5127,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},831,"157899","en los moldes ofrecidos por el Estado, no funciona.",4450.32,4453.1,{"idx":5129,"utterance_id":5130,"speaker_name":174,"text":5131,"start_s":5132,"end_s":5133,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},832,"157900","¿Cómo van a permanecer los alumnos de la enseñanza media todo el día en la escuela sin ningún incentivo financiero?",4453.54,4460.82,{"idx":5135,"utterance_id":5136,"speaker_name":174,"text":5137,"start_s":5138,"end_s":5139,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},833,"157901","Ahí está la pregunta.",4460.84,4461.82,{"idx":5141,"utterance_id":5142,"speaker_name":174,"text":5143,"start_s":5144,"end_s":5145,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},834,"157902","Educación, gente, la educación es una de las pautas más sensibles en la vida de los habitantes de Minas.",4462.22,4468.62,{"idx":5147,"utterance_id":5148,"speaker_name":174,"text":5149,"start_s":5150,"end_s":5151,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},835,"157903","Vimos hace un rato a Gabriel Azevedo hacer una especie de declaración sobre una parte de su propuesta para esta cartera.",4468.64,4477.9,{"idx":5153,"utterance_id":5154,"speaker_name":174,"text":5155,"start_s":5156,"end_s":5157,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},836,"157904","Queda Minas Gerais con un episodio de esa herencia de Matheus Simões, que divide mucho las opiniones y que es muy polémico, que es la escuela cívico-militar.",4479.34,4491.94,{"idx":5159,"utterance_id":5160,"speaker_name":174,"text":5161,"start_s":5162,"end_s":5163,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},837,"157905","¿Qué piensan de eso?",4491.96,4493.12,{"idx":5165,"utterance_id":5166,"speaker_name":174,"text":5167,"start_s":5168,"end_s":5169,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},838,"157906","Hablando de privatización.",4494.04,4495.5,{"idx":5171,"utterance_id":5172,"speaker_name":174,"text":5173,"start_s":5174,"end_s":5175,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},839,"157907","Totalmente en contra.",4496.82,4497.78,{"idx":5177,"utterance_id":5178,"speaker_name":174,"text":5179,"start_s":5180,"end_s":5181,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},840,"157908","¿Totalmente en contra?",4498.66,4499.48,{"idx":5183,"utterance_id":5184,"speaker_name":174,"text":5185,"start_s":5186,"end_s":5187,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},841,"157909","Totalmente.",4499.5,4500.1,{"idx":5189,"utterance_id":5190,"speaker_name":174,"text":5191,"start_s":5192,"end_s":5193,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},842,"157910","Me gusta este tema.",4500.46,4501.82,{"idx":5195,"utterance_id":5196,"speaker_name":174,"text":5197,"start_s":5198,"end_s":5199,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},843,"157911","¿Por qué me gusta este tema?",4501.92,4503.18,{"idx":5201,"utterance_id":5202,"speaker_name":174,"text":5203,"start_s":5204,"end_s":5205,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},844,"157912","Porque es, al igual que las pautas más polémicas y morales, tipo legalización del aborto, reducción de la mayoría de edad penal, este asunto toca las pasiones de la gente.",4503.26,4517.26,{"idx":5207,"utterance_id":5208,"speaker_name":174,"text":1353,"start_s":5209,"end_s":5210,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},845,"157913",4517.84,4518.12,{"idx":5212,"utterance_id":5213,"speaker_name":174,"text":5214,"start_s":5215,"end_s":5216,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},846,"157914","Porque es exactamente esa duda.",4518.18,4522.02,{"idx":5218,"utterance_id":5219,"speaker_name":174,"text":5220,"start_s":5221,"end_s":5222,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},847,"157915","¿Será que es mejor... empezar un proceso de sacar de las manos del Estado la enseñanza?",4522.62,4529.18,{"idx":5224,"utterance_id":5225,"speaker_name":174,"text":5226,"start_s":5227,"end_s":5228,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},848,"157916","Porque si ya es algo así, un área tan frágil, que tanta gente dice que ha empeorado la calidad en los últimos años y todo eso, ¿o será que no?",4529.54,4538.5,{"idx":5230,"utterance_id":5231,"speaker_name":174,"text":5232,"start_s":5233,"end_s":5234,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},849,"157917","¿Queremos reforzar todavía más la responsabilidad del Estado?",4538.56,4542.04,{"idx":5236,"utterance_id":5237,"speaker_name":174,"text":5238,"start_s":5239,"end_s":5240,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},850,"157918","Porque hay un problema en la educación, y tenemos varios; no justifica que militaricen las escuelas.",4542.06,4547.86,{"idx":5242,"utterance_id":5243,"speaker_name":174,"text":5244,"start_s":5245,"end_s":5246,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},851,"157919","Tal como está, está mal.",4548.74,4549.86,{"idx":5248,"utterance_id":5249,"speaker_name":174,"text":5250,"start_s":5251,"end_s":5252,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},852,"157920","Bueno, ¿entonces vamos a empeorar o vamos a quedarnos tan mal como ahora?",4550,4552.74,{"idx":5254,"utterance_id":5255,"speaker_name":174,"text":5256,"start_s":5257,"end_s":5258,"word_count":426,"indexable":178},853,"157921","Pienso que hay que tener políticas y candidatos que ofrezcan propuestas muy concretas sobre lo que se puede hacer, y hay muchos ejemplos en otros estados que han avanzado en esta cuestión de la educación pública, de lo que se puede hacer efectivamente para mejorar.",4553.36,4568.5,{"idx":5260,"utterance_id":5261,"speaker_name":174,"text":5262,"start_s":5263,"end_s":5264,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},854,"157922","Sin duda pasa por la inversión, a mi juicio, en el profesor.",4569.6,4573.68,{"idx":5266,"utterance_id":5267,"speaker_name":174,"text":5268,"start_s":5269,"end_s":5270,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},855,"157923","Sin un profesor con buena formación, con buenos sueldos, con valorización, creo que es difícil hablar de mejorar la educación.",4574.72,4582.5,{"idx":5272,"utterance_id":5273,"speaker_name":174,"text":5274,"start_s":5275,"end_s":5276,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},856,"157924","No hay forma de no pasar por el profesor.",4583.4,4585.04,{"idx":5278,"utterance_id":5279,"speaker_name":174,"text":5280,"start_s":5281,"end_s":5282,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},857,"157925","Pero ¿es una propuesta pedagógica o es una propuesta electoralista decir y defender la escuela cívico-militar para conseguir el apoyo de cierto tipo de elector?",4585.08,4592.74,{"idx":5284,"utterance_id":5285,"speaker_name":174,"text":5286,"start_s":5287,"end_s":5288,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},858,"157926","¿Le gusta esa medida, ese endurecimiento, que quiere... que cree que la escuela debe poner...",4593.1,4597.22,{"idx":5290,"utterance_id":5291,"speaker_name":174,"text":5292,"start_s":5293,"end_s":5294,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},859,"157927","Que es rigor, inclusive, en el sistema penitenciario, que es rigor también en la educación, como si la línea dura fuera... la respuesta a esto.",4597.28,4604.32,{"idx":5296,"utterance_id":5297,"speaker_name":174,"text":5298,"start_s":5299,"end_s":5300,"word_count":400,"indexable":178},860,"157928","Ahora, la escuela cívico-militar, su mayor amenaza, en mi opinión, es el formato de los contratos, gente, que son contratos que abren mucho las puertas a ese modelo, que es un modelo de semi-privatización, en el que trasferís la responsabilidad...",4604.4,4621.88,{"idx":5302,"utterance_id":5303,"speaker_name":174,"text":5304,"start_s":5305,"end_s":5306,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},861,"157929","Y renuncias al proyecto pedagógico, estás reinventando la rueda, Guilherme.",4621.9,4625.52,{"idx":5308,"utterance_id":5309,"speaker_name":174,"text":5310,"start_s":5311,"end_s":5312,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},862,"157930","Existe una ley nacional, la LOAS, que orienta cómo debe procederse en las escuelas.",4626.22,4630.28,{"idx":5314,"utterance_id":5315,"speaker_name":174,"text":1109,"start_s":5316,"end_s":5317,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},863,"157931",4630.32,4630.84,{"idx":5319,"utterance_id":5320,"speaker_name":174,"text":5321,"start_s":5322,"end_s":5323,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},864,"157932","Así que tienes un método aquí, nadie está inventando esto, siempre existe un método.",4630.86,4634.62,{"idx":5325,"utterance_id":5326,"speaker_name":174,"text":5327,"start_s":5328,"end_s":5329,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},865,"157933","Lo que falta es lo que dijiste: la inversión en los profesores, ellos son los especialistas en la enseñanza.",4635.22,4640.26,{"idx":5331,"utterance_id":5332,"speaker_name":174,"text":5333,"start_s":5334,"end_s":5335,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},866,"157934","Si tienes un profesor bien remunerado, dale capacitación, formación continua, estudio continuado, siempre estará preparado para llevar la educación y orientar a esos chicos.",4640.46,4651.2,{"idx":5337,"utterance_id":5338,"speaker_name":174,"text":5339,"start_s":5340,"end_s":5341,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},867,"157935","a formarse y acompañarlos en el momento en que más lo necesitan, cuando están en fase de crecimiento.",4651.56,4655.52,{"idx":5343,"utterance_id":5344,"speaker_name":174,"text":5345,"start_s":5346,"end_s":5347,"word_count":343,"indexable":178},868,"157936","Es como la historia de un buen frijol con arroz bien hecho, y en el contexto de la educación es perseguir un conjunto de indicadores de eficiencia, ya sea en matemáticas, ya sea en interpretación de textos; no logro ver cómo la presencia de militares puede contribuir a eso.",4655.64,4668.84,{"idx":5349,"utterance_id":5350,"speaker_name":174,"text":5351,"start_s":5352,"end_s":5353,"word_count":420,"indexable":178},869,"157937","Y esa discusión de la escuela cívico-militar, al menos en mi opinión... es algo medio distorsionado, como si fuera a reproducir para el conjunto de las escuelas que adoptaran ese modelo un estándar de enseñanza como sacar dientes, que es otra cosa.",4669.3,4682.82,{"idx":5355,"utterance_id":5356,"speaker_name":174,"text":5357,"start_s":5358,"end_s":5359,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},870,"157938","No es la presencia del militar ahí, porque, sinceramente, si fuera solo eso, estoy simplificando como creo que también, en algún momento, es la propuesta de la escuela militar.",4682.94,4693.26,{"idx":5361,"utterance_id":5362,"speaker_name":174,"text":5363,"start_s":5364,"end_s":5365,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},871,"157939","Simplificadora para no resolver nada.",4693.64,4695.3,{"idx":5367,"utterance_id":5368,"speaker_name":174,"text":5369,"start_s":5370,"end_s":5371,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},872,"157940","Superficial.",4695.32,4695.74,{"idx":5373,"utterance_id":5374,"speaker_name":174,"text":5369,"start_s":5375,"end_s":5376,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},873,"157941",4695.98,4696.4,{"idx":5378,"utterance_id":5379,"speaker_name":174,"text":5380,"start_s":5381,"end_s":5382,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},874,"157942","Si ese es el problema realmente, entonces bueno, hagamos lo siguiente: pongamos puntos de redes.",4696.74,4699.84,{"idx":5384,"utterance_id":5385,"speaker_name":174,"text":5386,"start_s":5387,"end_s":5388,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},875,"157943","En las escuelas que son más problemáticas.",4700.42,4701.8,{"idx":5390,"utterance_id":5391,"speaker_name":174,"text":5392,"start_s":5393,"end_s":5394,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},876,"157944","La patrulla ya no va a hacer las evaluaciones.",4702.18,4704.9,{"idx":5396,"utterance_id":5397,"speaker_name":174,"text":5398,"start_s":5399,"end_s":5400,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},877,"157945","Va a entrar dentro de la escuela.",4705.24,4706.86,{"idx":5402,"utterance_id":5403,"speaker_name":174,"text":5404,"start_s":5405,"end_s":5406,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},878,"157946","Porque si esa es la simplificación, creo que eso serviría.",4706.92,4710.16,{"idx":5408,"utterance_id":5409,"speaker_name":174,"text":5410,"start_s":5411,"end_s":5412,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},879,"157947","Guilherme, ¿sabes cómo traduzco yo esa propuesta?",4710.68,4712.68,{"idx":5414,"utterance_id":5415,"speaker_name":174,"text":5416,"start_s":5417,"end_s":5418,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},880,"157948","Como negacionismo.",4712.72,4713.76,{"idx":5420,"utterance_id":5421,"speaker_name":174,"text":5422,"start_s":5423,"end_s":5424,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},881,"157949","De la misma forma en que niegas la ciencia, niegas la vacuna, esas personas que dicen que esas escuelas no funcionan están negando lo que aprendieron.",4713.84,4723.12,{"idx":5426,"utterance_id":5427,"speaker_name":174,"text":5428,"start_s":5429,"end_s":5430,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},882,"157950","¿Quién fue el que los alfabetizó?",4723.14,4724.64,{"idx":5432,"utterance_id":5433,"speaker_name":174,"text":5434,"start_s":5435,"end_s":5436,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},883,"157951","Crecieron y ahora quieren cambiar la escuela pública.",4725.02,4727.16,{"idx":5438,"utterance_id":5439,"speaker_name":174,"text":5440,"start_s":5441,"end_s":5442,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},884,"157952","Crecieron y niegan la vacuna, pero si no fuera por la vacuna, no estarían vivos hoy para poder hacer esas propuestas.",4727.52,4733.24,{"idx":5444,"utterance_id":5445,"speaker_name":174,"text":5446,"start_s":5447,"end_s":5448,"word_count":239,"indexable":178},885,"157953","Hay una similitud con lo que dijiste antes, que era respecto a esa cuestión de la Copasa, que es cuando el gobernador o cualquier gobierno va allí a acusar mala gestión o ineficiencia gerencial",4733.76,4743.54,{"idx":5450,"utterance_id":5451,"speaker_name":174,"text":5452,"start_s":5453,"end_s":5454,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},886,"157954","en la entidad, aquello debería ser una contradicción fatal, porque él está allí, desde ese lugar, diciendo: yo no consigo gestionar.",4744.14,4750.34,{"idx":5456,"utterance_id":5457,"speaker_name":174,"text":5458,"start_s":5459,"end_s":5460,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},887,"157955","Como la mayoría de los políticos, la gente va a la asamblea: queremos una estatal lejos de los apadrinados políticos.",4750.66,4756.7,{"idx":5462,"utterance_id":5463,"speaker_name":174,"text":5464,"start_s":5465,"end_s":5466,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},888,"157956","Al día siguiente de la elección, lo primero que hace el tipo es disputar la indicación de la superintendencia.",4757.2,4762.14,{"idx":5468,"utterance_id":5469,"speaker_name":174,"text":5470,"start_s":5471,"end_s":5472,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},889,"157957","Y entregarla a la Unión.",4762.16,4763.14,{"idx":5474,"utterance_id":5475,"speaker_name":174,"text":5476,"start_s":5477,"end_s":5478,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},890,"157958","no es un... Un clientelismo, un aparelhamiento biológico.",4763.24,4767.6,{"idx":5480,"utterance_id":5481,"speaker_name":174,"text":5482,"start_s":5483,"end_s":5484,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},891,"157959","Ahora, sobre Matheus Simões, voy a llamar aquí otra pregunta.",4767.64,4772.36,{"idx":5486,"utterance_id":5487,"speaker_name":174,"text":5488,"start_s":5489,"end_s":5490,"word_count":527,"indexable":178},892,"157960","Creo que todo ese bombo con esa propuesta, que es un programa que él usó mucho como forma de llegar a la gente y a la opinión pública, creo que también es algo que explota, que viene, claro, de la experiencia con... el bolsonarismo, que es el fetiche por lo militar, por esa cosa de la estructura militar.",4772.78,4796.94,{"idx":5492,"utterance_id":5493,"speaker_name":174,"text":5494,"start_s":5495,"end_s":5496,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},893,"157961","Dijimos aquí que los especialistas en la enseñanza son los profesores.",4796.96,4799.84,{"idx":5498,"utterance_id":5499,"speaker_name":174,"text":5500,"start_s":5501,"end_s":5502,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},894,"157962","Ahora te pregunto una cosa.",4800.2,4801,{"idx":5504,"utterance_id":5505,"speaker_name":174,"text":5506,"start_s":5507,"end_s":5508,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},895,"157963","Tienes una propuesta que fue rechazada por el Tribunal de Cuentas y fue reprobada.",4801.02,4805.24,{"idx":5510,"utterance_id":5511,"speaker_name":174,"text":5512,"start_s":5513,"end_s":5514,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},896,"157964","Fue reprobada por el Tribunal de Justicia en segunda instancia.",4805.84,4808.64,{"idx":5516,"utterance_id":5517,"speaker_name":174,"text":5518,"start_s":5519,"end_s":5520,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},897,"157965","Recurreron al STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) que dijo: este asunto se resuelve allá.",4809.02,4813.22,{"idx":5522,"utterance_id":5523,"speaker_name":174,"text":5524,"start_s":5525,"end_s":5526,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},898,"157966","El tribunal ya decidió.",4813.44,4814.4,{"idx":5528,"utterance_id":5529,"speaker_name":174,"text":5530,"start_s":5531,"end_s":5532,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},899,"157967","Entonces, una tercera derrota, 3 a 0 en el poder judicial.",4815,4818.84,{"idx":5534,"utterance_id":5535,"speaker_name":174,"text":5536,"start_s":5537,"end_s":5538,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},900,"157968","¿Quieres decir que tu propuesta... es más fantástica?",4819.04,4822.02,{"idx":5540,"utterance_id":5541,"speaker_name":174,"text":5542,"start_s":5543,"end_s":5544,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},901,"157969","¿No es una forma de vincularse con el bolsonarismo, esa insistencia de Matheus Simões?",4822.26,4825.7,{"idx":5546,"utterance_id":5547,"speaker_name":174,"text":5548,"start_s":5549,"end_s":5550,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},902,"157970","Sin duda que sí.",4825.72,4826.32,{"idx":5552,"utterance_id":5553,"speaker_name":174,"text":5554,"start_s":5555,"end_s":5556,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},903,"157971","Como elector, sí.",4826.36,4827.22,{"idx":5558,"utterance_id":5559,"speaker_name":174,"text":5560,"start_s":5561,"end_s":5562,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},904,"157972","Vamos entonces a la siguiente pregunta de los hombres y mujeres de Minas Gerais alrededor del Estado sobre educación.",4827.64,4833.52,{"idx":5564,"utterance_id":5565,"speaker_name":174,"text":5566,"start_s":5567,"end_s":5568,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},905,"157973","Hola, mi nombre es Raquel y soy de São Lourenço, sur de Minas Gerais.",4835.16,4839.34,{"idx":5570,"utterance_id":5571,"speaker_name":174,"text":5572,"start_s":5573,"end_s":5574,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},906,"157974","Me gustaría hacer una pregunta para el candidato Cretinho.",4839.72,4842.72,{"idx":5576,"utterance_id":5577,"speaker_name":174,"text":5578,"start_s":5579,"end_s":5580,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},907,"157975","¿Cuáles serán sus acciones concretas con plazos y recursos para la valorización del profesional de la educación?",4843.08,4849.46,{"idx":5582,"utterance_id":5583,"speaker_name":174,"text":5584,"start_s":5585,"end_s":5586,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},908,"157976","Porque es urgente.",4849.84,4850.64,{"idx":5588,"utterance_id":5589,"speaker_name":174,"text":5590,"start_s":5591,"end_s":5592,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},909,"157977","las cuestiones de los profesores y me gustaría saber cuáles serán sus acciones si resulta electo.",4850.68,4856.6,{"idx":5594,"utterance_id":5595,"speaker_name":174,"text":5596,"start_s":5597,"end_s":5598,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},910,"157978","¿De nuevo Cleitinho, no?",4856.62,4859.92,{"idx":5600,"utterance_id":5601,"speaker_name":174,"text":5602,"start_s":5603,"end_s":5604,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},911,"157979","De nuevo Cleitinho.",4859.94,4861.32,{"idx":5606,"utterance_id":5607,"speaker_name":174,"text":5608,"start_s":5609,"end_s":5610,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},912,"157980","Mira, la lista de Cleitinho solo sigue creciendo, ¿eh, candidato?",4861.5,4865.4,{"idx":5612,"utterance_id":5613,"speaker_name":174,"text":5614,"start_s":5615,"end_s":5616,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},913,"157981","Va a costar trabajo responder, pero no hay problema.",4865.5,4868.74,{"idx":5618,"utterance_id":5619,"speaker_name":174,"text":5620,"start_s":5621,"end_s":5622,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},914,"157982","Hasta el inicio, hasta el finalcito de la campaña, antes de la primera vuelta, cuando usted lo ordene, lo ponemos para que la gente lo escuche y vea, ¿vale?",4869.06,4877.6,{"idx":5624,"utterance_id":5625,"speaker_name":174,"text":5626,"start_s":5627,"end_s":5628,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},915,"157983","Gente, la educación es algo que toca profundamente, sobre todo a las mujeres.",4878.18,4882.94,{"idx":5630,"utterance_id":5631,"speaker_name":174,"text":5632,"start_s":5633,"end_s":5634,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},916,"157984","Porque si miramos en el campo del cuidado y de la educación, son mujeres.",4883.38,4889.28,{"idx":5636,"utterance_id":5637,"speaker_name":174,"text":5638,"start_s":5639,"end_s":5640,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},917,"157985","Las mujeres de la educación y las mujeres de la salud.",4889.64,4892.34,{"idx":5642,"utterance_id":5643,"speaker_name":174,"text":5644,"start_s":5645,"end_s":5646,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},918,"157986","Entra en un hospital público para que lo veas y fíjate.",4892.36,4896.48,{"idx":5648,"utterance_id":5649,"speaker_name":174,"text":5650,"start_s":5651,"end_s":5652,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},919,"157987","Hay muchas mujeres que trabajan allí.",4897.34,4899.2,{"idx":5654,"utterance_id":5655,"speaker_name":174,"text":5656,"start_s":5657,"end_s":5658,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},920,"157988","Entra en una escuela, en una EMEI.",4899.64,4901.88,{"idx":5660,"utterance_id":5661,"speaker_name":174,"text":5662,"start_s":5663,"end_s":5664,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},921,"157989","En una guardería, son solo mujeres.",4902.46,4905.62,{"idx":5666,"utterance_id":5667,"speaker_name":174,"text":5668,"start_s":5669,"end_s":5670,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},922,"157990","Quisiera destacar aquí y hacer justicia a las mujeres que son invisibilizadas.",4905.68,4910.1,{"idx":5672,"utterance_id":5673,"speaker_name":174,"text":5674,"start_s":5675,"end_s":5676,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},923,"157991","Entonces, entras en el hospital, la gente piensa: hay muchas enfermeras, ¿pero y la limpiadora?",4910.18,4915.02,{"idx":5678,"utterance_id":5679,"speaker_name":174,"text":5680,"start_s":5681,"end_s":5682,"word_count":350,"indexable":178},924,"157992","Y la mujer que está en la cantina, sea en la cantina de las escuelas, o en la cantina que no está en el hospital —no se llama cantina— sino en la cocina de un hospital.",4915.84,4925.72,{"idx":5684,"utterance_id":5685,"speaker_name":174,"text":5686,"start_s":5687,"end_s":5688,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},925,"157993","Si entras ahí, son mujeres.",4925.74,4927.96,{"idx":5690,"utterance_id":5691,"speaker_name":174,"text":5692,"start_s":5693,"end_s":5694,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},926,"157994","Entonces pensar que la educación y la salud, incluso en ese trabajo que está muy invisibilizado, que es el trabajo de la limpieza, de la comida,",4928.76,4936.64,{"idx":5696,"utterance_id":5697,"speaker_name":174,"text":5698,"start_s":5699,"end_s":5700,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},927,"157995","etc.",4936.74,4936.94,{"idx":5702,"utterance_id":5703,"speaker_name":174,"text":5704,"start_s":5705,"end_s":5706,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},928,"157996","las mujeres están ahí.",4937.98,4938.78,{"idx":5708,"utterance_id":5709,"speaker_name":174,"text":5710,"start_s":5711,"end_s":5712,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},929,"157997","Otra cuestión importante del cuidado que usted mencionó es que las mujeres, en su ascenso profesional, en su carrera, no cambian el cuidado de la familia por un puesto más, por cualquier promoción.",4939.2,4950.42,{"idx":5714,"utterance_id":5715,"speaker_name":174,"text":5716,"start_s":5717,"end_s":5718,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},930,"157998","Renuncian a su carrera profesional para cuidar de la familia.",4950.44,4954.42,{"idx":5720,"utterance_id":5721,"speaker_name":174,"text":5722,"start_s":5723,"end_s":5724,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},931,"157999","Tienen otra visión de cómo conciliar.",4954.82,4956.8,{"idx":5726,"utterance_id":5727,"speaker_name":174,"text":5728,"start_s":5729,"end_s":5730,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},932,"158000","Lo personal, lo familiar y lo profesional.",4957.28,4959.5,{"idx":5732,"utterance_id":5733,"speaker_name":174,"text":5734,"start_s":5735,"end_s":5736,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},933,"158001","Sí, pero eso, Orion, es algo muy perverso que la sociedad hace con las mujeres.",4959.94,4964.72,{"idx":5738,"utterance_id":5739,"speaker_name":174,"text":5740,"start_s":5741,"end_s":5742,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},934,"158002","Porque los hombres no cargan con la necesidad de hacer esa elección.",4964.74,4969.22,{"idx":5744,"utterance_id":5745,"speaker_name":174,"text":5746,"start_s":5747,"end_s":5748,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},935,"158003","Porque alguien lo hace por ellos.",4969.78,4971.22,{"idx":5750,"utterance_id":5751,"speaker_name":174,"text":5752,"start_s":5753,"end_s":5754,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},936,"158004","Deja la familia y va a cuidar de su propia carrera.",4971.24,4973.9,{"idx":5756,"utterance_id":5757,"speaker_name":174,"text":1109,"start_s":5758,"end_s":5759,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},937,"158005",4973.92,4974.46,{"idx":5761,"utterance_id":5762,"speaker_name":174,"text":5763,"start_s":5764,"end_s":5765,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},938,"158006","Hablando de mujeres, ahora vamos a otra pregunta que viene de Ibirité.",4974.48,4979.16,{"idx":5767,"utterance_id":5768,"speaker_name":174,"text":5769,"start_s":5770,"end_s":5771,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},939,"158007","Mi nombre es Vivian, soy madre soltera de dos.",4979.18,4981.62,{"idx":5773,"utterance_id":5774,"speaker_name":174,"text":5775,"start_s":5776,"end_s":5777,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},940,"158008","Vivo en Ibirité.",4982.14,4982.84,{"idx":5779,"utterance_id":5780,"speaker_name":174,"text":5781,"start_s":5782,"end_s":5783,"word_count":575,"indexable":178},941,"158009","Me gustaría saber... ¿Cuál es su propuesta para ayudar a las madres solas, principalmente a las madres solas que no tienen red de apoyo, no tienen dónde dejar a los niños, porque si tienen que pagarle a alguien para que se quede con el niño, además de ser algo peligroso porque no conocen a la persona, a veces comprometen una buena parte de esos ingresos y a veces no compensa?",4983.62,5005.8,{"idx":5785,"utterance_id":5786,"speaker_name":174,"text":5787,"start_s":5788,"end_s":5789,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},942,"158010","¿Cómo piensan ayudar a las madres a conciliar empleo y maternidad?",5006.44,5011.2,{"idx":5791,"utterance_id":5792,"speaker_name":174,"text":5793,"start_s":5794,"end_s":5795,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},943,"158011","Vivian de Ibirité envió esa pregunta dura a todos los candidatos.",5013.42,5018.76,{"idx":5797,"utterance_id":5798,"speaker_name":174,"text":5799,"start_s":5800,"end_s":5801,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},944,"158012","¿Y ustedes creen que los planes de gobierno de los candidatos en esta elección conectan con necesidades tan reales como la de Vivian?",5019.52,5027.04,{"idx":5803,"utterance_id":5804,"speaker_name":174,"text":5805,"start_s":5806,"end_s":5807,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},945,"158013","No me acuerdo, no recuerdo.",5028.38,5030.08,{"idx":5809,"utterance_id":5810,"speaker_name":174,"text":5811,"start_s":5812,"end_s":5813,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},946,"158014","Por ejemplo, ella hizo una pregunta sobre la guardería.",5030.12,5032.94,{"idx":5815,"utterance_id":5816,"speaker_name":174,"text":5817,"start_s":5818,"end_s":5819,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},947,"158015","Tienes que tener guardería en horario nocturno, para que la madre pueda trabajar de noche o estudiar por la noche.",5033.08,5039.38,{"idx":5821,"utterance_id":5822,"speaker_name":174,"text":5823,"start_s":5824,"end_s":5825,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},948,"158016","Y veo muy... Muy pocos candidatos, o casi ninguno, hablando de eso.",5039.94,5044.3,{"idx":5827,"utterance_id":5828,"speaker_name":174,"text":5829,"start_s":5830,"end_s":5831,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},949,"158017","Tenemos dificultad con la educación de jornada completa.",5044.94,5047.16,{"idx":5833,"utterance_id":5834,"speaker_name":174,"text":5835,"start_s":5836,"end_s":5837,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},950,"158018","Entonces volvemos a trasladar todo el problema a la educación.",5047.6,5050.08,{"idx":5839,"utterance_id":5840,"speaker_name":174,"text":5841,"start_s":5842,"end_s":5843,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},951,"158019","Porque si esa madre tuviera una escuela de calidad, con profesores bien formados, bien pagados, bien reconocidos, cuidando a su hijo en horario de jornada completa... Con seguridad tendría más tranquilidad para trabajar.",5050.94,5064.54,{"idx":5845,"utterance_id":5846,"speaker_name":174,"text":5847,"start_s":5848,"end_s":5849,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},952,"158020","Y el poder público no está reconociendo ni a las madres solas ni a las madres atípicas.",5064.64,5068.12,{"idx":5851,"utterance_id":5852,"speaker_name":174,"text":5853,"start_s":5854,"end_s":5855,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},953,"158021","Sí, exacto.",5068.34,5069.08,{"idx":5857,"utterance_id":5858,"speaker_name":174,"text":5859,"start_s":5860,"end_s":5861,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},954,"158022","Para cualquiera, el hijo es raro, extraño, no tiene tratamiento, no tiene recuperación, está enfermo.",5069.12,5073.16,{"idx":5863,"utterance_id":5864,"speaker_name":174,"text":5865,"start_s":5866,"end_s":5867,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},955,"158023","Y no reconoce el autismo, el espectro autista, como alguien que necesita una orientación, un seguimiento distinto.",5073.18,5080.5,{"idx":5869,"utterance_id":5870,"speaker_name":174,"text":5871,"start_s":5872,"end_s":5873,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},956,"158024","Una atención especializada.",5080.52,5081.58,{"idx":5875,"utterance_id":5876,"speaker_name":174,"text":5877,"start_s":5878,"end_s":5879,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},957,"158025","Esa red de apoyo, si el gobierno consiguiera ejecutar aquello, cualquiera de... Por ejemplo, el acceso a la educación, una guardería de tiempo completo.",5082.02,5089.96,{"idx":5881,"utterance_id":5882,"speaker_name":174,"text":5883,"start_s":5884,"end_s":5885,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},958,"158026","Si ejecutara lo que propone, ni siquiera sería necesario ampliarlo, así.",5090.28,5093.14,{"idx":5887,"utterance_id":5888,"speaker_name":174,"text":5889,"start_s":5890,"end_s":5891,"word_count":406,"indexable":178},959,"158027","Entonces, la articulación de esa red de apoyo para esas madres, sean madres atípicas o madres solas, pasa por hacer valer lo que ya está implícito en la Constitución, que es el acceso a una educación de calidad y a la salud pública.",5093.16,5108.14,{"idx":5893,"utterance_id":5894,"speaker_name":174,"text":5895,"start_s":5896,"end_s":5897,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},960,"158028","Creo que la cuestión pasa por ahí.",5108.46,5109.82,{"idx":5899,"utterance_id":5900,"speaker_name":174,"text":5901,"start_s":5902,"end_s":5903,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},961,"158029","Entonces, mucho para pensar respecto a los militares, ¿no?",5110.04,5111.78,{"idx":5905,"utterance_id":5906,"speaker_name":174,"text":5907,"start_s":5908,"end_s":5909,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},962,"158030","Hay mucho que hacer y pensar antes de ocuparse de...",5112.7,5114.86,{"idx":5911,"utterance_id":5912,"speaker_name":174,"text":5913,"start_s":5914,"end_s":5915,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},963,"158031","de militarizar la escuela.",5116.44,5117.68,{"idx":5917,"utterance_id":5918,"speaker_name":174,"text":5919,"start_s":5920,"end_s":5921,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},964,"158032","Es lo que él dijo: hacer lo básico bien hecho, con calidad, ya daría resultado.",5117.96,5124,{"idx":5923,"utterance_id":5924,"speaker_name":174,"text":5925,"start_s":5926,"end_s":5927,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},965,"158033","Y esa cuestión —ya estamos entrando en la parte de salud— pero antes voy a volver un poquito a esta discusión de la economía del cuidado.",5124.84,5133.72,{"idx":5929,"utterance_id":5930,"speaker_name":174,"text":5931,"start_s":5932,"end_s":5933,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},966,"158034","Toca mucho la experiencia de nosotras, las mujeres, en la sociedad.",5134.32,5137.92,{"idx":38,"utterance_id":5935,"speaker_name":174,"text":5936,"start_s":5937,"end_s":5938,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},"158035","Y ahí siempre está esa pregunta: más mujeres en el poder, sobre todo en el ejecutivo —Orion, Guilherme y Ana—, ¿creen que resolvería el problema?",5138.08,5148.56,{"idx":5940,"utterance_id":5941,"speaker_name":174,"text":5942,"start_s":5943,"end_s":5944,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},968,"158036","No hay duda de ello, porque la pluralidad, la diversidad de visiones del mundo, sean las de las mujeres, indígenas, quilombolas, negras, esa visión del mundo... El Jequitinhonha allí, escuchamos la participación de Nanuc.",5150.64,5162.58,{"idx":5946,"utterance_id":5947,"speaker_name":174,"text":5948,"start_s":5949,"end_s":5950,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},969,"158037","Si cada una de esas personas pudiera estar representada en este gobierno, tendríamos una visión global de lo que Minas necesita realmente.",5162.88,5170.5,{"idx":5952,"utterance_id":5953,"speaker_name":174,"text":5954,"start_s":5955,"end_s":5956,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},970,"158038","Entonces, es fundamental tener esa diversidad, esa complementariedad en el gobierno.",5170.72,5175.26,{"idx":5958,"utterance_id":5959,"speaker_name":174,"text":5960,"start_s":5961,"end_s":5962,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},971,"158039","Y solo tenemos, recordando, a una mujer en la carrera electoral de este año, que es Indira Xavier, de la Unión Popular.",5175.28,5181.4,{"idx":5964,"utterance_id":5965,"speaker_name":174,"text":5966,"start_s":5967,"end_s":5968,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},972,"158040","Y la vice de Gabriel.",5181.46,5182.74,{"idx":5970,"utterance_id":5971,"speaker_name":174,"text":5966,"start_s":5972,"end_s":5973,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},973,"158041",5182.96,5183.86,{"idx":1224,"utterance_id":5975,"speaker_name":174,"text":5976,"start_s":5977,"end_s":5978,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},"158042","Y volviendo aquí un poquito...",5183.88,5184.72,{"idx":5980,"utterance_id":5981,"speaker_name":174,"text":5982,"start_s":5983,"end_s":5984,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},975,"158043","Ni siquiera como vice, ¿no?",5184.74,5185.66,{"idx":5986,"utterance_id":5987,"speaker_name":174,"text":5988,"start_s":5989,"end_s":5990,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},976,"158044","Tenemos dos candidatas al Senado, Marília y Áurea.",5187.16,5191.26,{"idx":5992,"utterance_id":5993,"speaker_name":174,"text":5994,"start_s":5995,"end_s":5996,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},977,"158045","Si no me falla la memoria, son solo las dos.",5192.12,5194.12,{"idx":5998,"utterance_id":5999,"speaker_name":174,"text":6000,"start_s":6001,"end_s":6002,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},978,"158046","Entonces veo poca representatividad, incluso en la contienda.",5194.6,5198,{"idx":6004,"utterance_id":6005,"speaker_name":174,"text":6006,"start_s":6007,"end_s":6008,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},979,"158047","Sea para el Legislativo, sea para el Ejecutivo.",5199.56,5201.68,{"idx":6010,"utterance_id":6011,"speaker_name":174,"text":6012,"start_s":6013,"end_s":6014,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},980,"158048","Vemos a los partidos con una enorme dificultad todavía para cumplir las llamadas cuotas.",5202.06,5206.4,{"idx":6016,"utterance_id":6017,"speaker_name":174,"text":6018,"start_s":6019,"end_s":6020,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},981,"158049","Así que hay 30% de mujeres, pero muchas mujeres ni siquiera quieren serlo.",5207,5212.1,{"idx":6022,"utterance_id":6023,"speaker_name":174,"text":6024,"start_s":6025,"end_s":6026,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},982,"158050","Entonces vale la pregunta: ¿por qué no quieren serlo?",5213.38,5215.54,{"idx":6028,"utterance_id":6029,"speaker_name":174,"text":6030,"start_s":6031,"end_s":6032,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},983,"158051","En el día a día de las redacciones, leyendo los diarios oficiales, ves ese universo de condenas por fraude a la cuota de las mujeres.",5215.56,5222.66,{"idx":6034,"utterance_id":6035,"speaker_name":174,"text":6036,"start_s":6037,"end_s":6038,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},984,"158052","Yo, sinceramente, como quien sigue esto, creo que la gente tampoco se esfuerza por cumplirlas.",5223.06,5227.4,{"idx":6040,"utterance_id":6041,"speaker_name":174,"text":6042,"start_s":6043,"end_s":6044,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},985,"158053","Creo que existe ese acto.",5227.46,5229.62,{"idx":6046,"utterance_id":6047,"speaker_name":174,"text":6048,"start_s":6049,"end_s":6050,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},986,"158054","Conozco a muchas mujeres comprometidas, gente que, con la propuesta correcta y el diálogo adecuado, se postula.",5229.8,5238.1,{"idx":6052,"utterance_id":6053,"speaker_name":174,"text":6054,"start_s":6055,"end_s":6056,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},987,"158055","Me postularía.",5238.12,5238.76,{"idx":6058,"utterance_id":6059,"speaker_name":174,"text":6060,"start_s":6061,"end_s":6062,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},988,"158056","Me postularía, pero no...",5238.86,5240,{"idx":6064,"utterance_id":6065,"speaker_name":174,"text":6066,"start_s":6067,"end_s":6068,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},989,"158057","Vamos ahora, entonces, a otra cuestión sensible de la realidad de muchos habitantes de Minas, que es la salud.",5240.28,5247.56,{"idx":6070,"utterance_id":6071,"speaker_name":174,"text":6072,"start_s":6073,"end_s":6074,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},990,"158058","¿Hay preguntas sobre este tema?",5247.72,5249.24,{"idx":6076,"utterance_id":6077,"speaker_name":174,"text":6078,"start_s":6079,"end_s":6080,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},991,"158059","Queridísimos, paz y bien.",5250.2,5251.42,{"idx":6082,"utterance_id":6083,"speaker_name":174,"text":6084,"start_s":6085,"end_s":6086,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},992,"158060","Soy el padre Tiago Augusto, vicario episcopal para la acción política de la Arquidiócesis de Belo Horizonte.",5251.84,5257.6,{"idx":6088,"utterance_id":6089,"speaker_name":174,"text":2113,"start_s":6090,"end_s":6091,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},993,"158061",5258.54,5259.2,{"idx":6093,"utterance_id":6094,"speaker_name":174,"text":6095,"start_s":6096,"end_s":6097,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},994,"158062","el IPSEG es un importante",5259.84,5261.34,{"idx":6099,"utterance_id":6100,"speaker_name":174,"text":6101,"start_s":6102,"end_s":6103,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},995,"158063","instituto que presta servicios de",5261.4,5263.52,{"idx":6105,"utterance_id":6106,"speaker_name":174,"text":6107,"start_s":6108,"end_s":6109,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},996,"158064","salud a los servidores del Estado de Minas",5263.72,5266.9,{"idx":6111,"utterance_id":6112,"speaker_name":174,"text":6113,"start_s":6114,"end_s":6115,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},997,"158065","Gerais.",5266.94,5267.42,{"idx":6117,"utterance_id":6118,"speaker_name":174,"text":6119,"start_s":6120,"end_s":6121,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},998,"158066","Pero ese instituto no",5268.38,5270.32,{"idx":6123,"utterance_id":6124,"speaker_name":174,"text":6125,"start_s":6126,"end_s":6127,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},999,"158067","viene cumpliendo adecuadamente",5270.4,5271.98,{"idx":6129,"utterance_id":6130,"speaker_name":174,"text":6131,"start_s":6132,"end_s":6133,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1000,"158068","su misión.",5272,5272.66,{"idx":6135,"utterance_id":6136,"speaker_name":174,"text":6137,"start_s":6138,"end_s":6139,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1001,"158069","Está muy desfasado e insuficiente.",5273.22,5276.26,{"idx":6141,"utterance_id":6142,"speaker_name":174,"text":6143,"start_s":6144,"end_s":6145,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1002,"158070","Por lo tanto,",5276.98,5277.5,{"idx":6147,"utterance_id":6148,"speaker_name":174,"text":6149,"start_s":6150,"end_s":6151,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1003,"158071","¿cuáles son sus propuestas,",5277.54,5280.5,{"idx":6153,"utterance_id":6154,"speaker_name":174,"text":6155,"start_s":6156,"end_s":6157,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1004,"158072","sus planes para intentar",5280.58,5282.62,{"idx":6159,"utterance_id":6160,"speaker_name":174,"text":6161,"start_s":6162,"end_s":6163,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1005,"158073","corregir esas fallas y así",5282.76,5285.42,{"idx":6165,"utterance_id":6166,"speaker_name":174,"text":6167,"start_s":6168,"end_s":6169,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},1006,"158074","mejorar",5285.64,5286.46,{"idx":6171,"utterance_id":6172,"speaker_name":174,"text":6173,"start_s":6174,"end_s":6175,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1007,"158075","la asistencia",5286.54,5287.84,{"idx":6177,"utterance_id":6178,"speaker_name":174,"text":6179,"start_s":6180,"end_s":6181,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1008,"158076","y los servicios",5288.4,5289.64,{"idx":6183,"utterance_id":6184,"speaker_name":174,"text":6185,"start_s":6186,"end_s":6187,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1009,"158077","del IPSENG?",5290.06,5291.06,{"idx":6189,"utterance_id":6190,"speaker_name":174,"text":6191,"start_s":6192,"end_s":6193,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1010,"158078","Muchas gracias.",5291.9,5292.74,{"idx":6195,"utterance_id":6196,"speaker_name":174,"text":6197,"start_s":6198,"end_s":6199,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1011,"158079","La pregunta del padre es realmente muy importante, ¿eh, gente?",5294.26,5297.04,{"idx":6201,"utterance_id":6202,"speaker_name":174,"text":6203,"start_s":6204,"end_s":6205,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1012,"158080","Porque el IPSENG, como indicó el padre Tiago Augusto, es un centro importante de la atención a la salud en el Estado.",5297.06,5306.36,{"idx":6207,"utterance_id":6208,"speaker_name":174,"text":6209,"start_s":6210,"end_s":6211,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1013,"158081","¿Qué opinan ustedes?",5306.42,5307.14,{"idx":6213,"utterance_id":6214,"speaker_name":174,"text":6215,"start_s":6216,"end_s":6217,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1014,"158082","Cada vez más abandonado.",5307.16,5308.68,{"idx":6219,"utterance_id":6220,"speaker_name":174,"text":6221,"start_s":6222,"end_s":6223,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},1015,"158083","Al servidor público, que va a dar asistencia a todos los demás habitantes de Minas, así como la Fundação Hospitalar FEMIG también es un centro de salud.",5308.78,5316.26,{"idx":6225,"utterance_id":6226,"speaker_name":174,"text":6227,"start_s":6228,"end_s":6229,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1016,"158084","Lo que se ve hoy en el Estado es que todos los alcaldes la visitan.",5316.54,5321.56,{"idx":6231,"utterance_id":6232,"speaker_name":174,"text":6233,"start_s":6234,"end_s":6235,"word_count":377,"indexable":178},1017,"158085","En el entorno de la Santa Casa el lunes, lo que se ve son ambulancias de las alcaldías del interior, trayendo a sus pacientes, a sus enfermos, porque nadie tiene una atención cercana, nadie invirtió en una clínica, en ninguna especialidad.",5321.96,5334.06,{"idx":6237,"utterance_id":6238,"speaker_name":174,"text":6239,"start_s":6240,"end_s":6241,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1018,"158086","Los mandan a Belo Horizonte; allí tienen de todo.",5334.64,5336,{"idx":6243,"utterance_id":6244,"speaker_name":174,"text":6245,"start_s":6246,"end_s":6247,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1019,"158087","Entonces se sobrecarga el Servicio de Salud de Belo Horizonte.",5336.38,5338.66,{"idx":6249,"utterance_id":6250,"speaker_name":174,"text":6251,"start_s":6252,"end_s":6253,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1020,"158088","Y nadie trae consigo las contraprestaciones financieras de las AIHs, del Sistema Único de Salud.",5339.24,5345.32,{"idx":6255,"utterance_id":6256,"speaker_name":174,"text":6257,"start_s":6258,"end_s":6259,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},1021,"158089","Entonces sobrecarga a Belo Horizonte y ningún gobernador hace nada, porque el alcalde de Belo Horizonte no puede rechazar el sistema, es universal, tiene que atender a todos por igual.",5345.56,5355.22,{"idx":6261,"utterance_id":6262,"speaker_name":174,"text":6263,"start_s":6264,"end_s":6265,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},1022,"158090","Así que no puede rechazar, pero el 60% de esta sobrecarga de Belo Horizonte, de BH, viene del interior con esos servicios que no se prestan donde vive el ciudadano.",5355.44,5365.88,{"idx":6267,"utterance_id":6268,"speaker_name":174,"text":6269,"start_s":6270,"end_s":6271,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1023,"158091","Ahora, vean la pregunta que hizo el padre.",5366.26,5368.02,{"idx":6273,"utterance_id":6274,"speaker_name":174,"text":6275,"start_s":6276,"end_s":6277,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1024,"158092","Él pregunta específicamente por el IPSENG.",5368.16,5370.6,{"idx":6279,"utterance_id":6280,"speaker_name":174,"text":6281,"start_s":6282,"end_s":6283,"word_count":350,"indexable":178},1025,"158093","Y nosotros tenemos a los candidatos discutiendo mucho si el hospital regional en Divinópolis y en otras ciudades está listo, no está listo, tardó en estar listo, debería haber estado antes.",5371,5381.1,{"idx":6285,"utterance_id":6286,"speaker_name":174,"text":6287,"start_s":6288,"end_s":6289,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1026,"158094","Y no he visto a los candidatos hablando sobre el IPSENG.",5381.64,5384.8,{"idx":6291,"utterance_id":6292,"speaker_name":174,"text":6293,"start_s":6294,"end_s":6295,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},1027,"158095","Se quedan discutiendo por el hospital regional, que el gobierno hizo, no debería haberlo hecho, tardó en hacerlo, para descentralizar.",5387.82,5396.18,{"idx":6297,"utterance_id":6298,"speaker_name":174,"text":6299,"start_s":6300,"end_s":6301,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},1028,"158096","Ok, es una discusión importante y Oriol trajo datos que muestran que realmente necesitamos descentralizar la atención de la salud.",5396.3,5403.22,{"idx":6303,"utterance_id":6304,"speaker_name":174,"text":6305,"start_s":6306,"end_s":6307,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},1029,"158097","Pero el Ipseng que está allí, que ya está establecido, y que está decadente, sin gestión, creo que no paga lo que... lo que gasta, ¿no?",5403.68,5415.84,{"idx":6309,"utterance_id":6310,"speaker_name":174,"text":6311,"start_s":6312,"end_s":6313,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1030,"158098","En fin, es ineficiente.",5415.86,5418.36,{"idx":6315,"utterance_id":6316,"speaker_name":174,"text":6317,"start_s":6318,"end_s":6319,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1031,"158099","Y además tiene una contribución previsional por parte de los propios servidores.",5418.38,5421.24,{"idx":6321,"utterance_id":6322,"speaker_name":174,"text":6323,"start_s":6324,"end_s":6325,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1032,"158100","Toda la vida.",5421.34,5422.18,{"idx":6327,"utterance_id":6328,"speaker_name":174,"text":6329,"start_s":6330,"end_s":6331,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1033,"158101","Y llega la hora en que más se necesita, no hay una atención mínima.",5424.2,5427.8,{"idx":6333,"utterance_id":6334,"speaker_name":174,"text":6335,"start_s":6336,"end_s":6337,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1034,"158102","Tenía que ser muy bueno para cuidar de quien cuida.",5427.82,5429.9,{"idx":6339,"utterance_id":6340,"speaker_name":174,"text":1109,"start_s":6341,"end_s":6342,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},1035,"158103",5430.42,5431.3,{"idx":6344,"utterance_id":6345,"speaker_name":174,"text":6346,"start_s":6347,"end_s":6348,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},1036,"158104","Bueno, ahora vamos a la encuesta electoral realizada por Real Time Big Data, que señaló las intenciones de voto de los habitantes de Minas.",5431.32,5439.86,{"idx":6350,"utterance_id":6351,"speaker_name":174,"text":6352,"start_s":6348,"end_s":6353,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},1037,"158105","2.000 personas fueron encuestadas entre los días 22 y 26 de agosto y el índice de confianza de la encuesta es del 95%.",5447.42,{"idx":6355,"utterance_id":6356,"speaker_name":174,"text":6357,"start_s":6358,"end_s":6359,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1038,"158106","El margen de error es de dos puntos porcentuales para más o para menos.",5447.9,5451.54,{"idx":6361,"utterance_id":6362,"speaker_name":174,"text":6363,"start_s":6364,"end_s":6365,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},1039,"158107","Veamos entonces el resultado de esa encuesta estimulada en la que se presentan los nombres de los candidatos y el elector elige a quién votará.",5451.64,5459.94,{"idx":6367,"utterance_id":6368,"speaker_name":174,"text":6369,"start_s":6370,"end_s":6371,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},1040,"158108","La encuesta sobre el gobierno de Minas fue divulgada este jueves, 27 de agosto de 2026, por el Instituto Real Time Big Data.",5462.34,5470.9,{"idx":6373,"utterance_id":6374,"speaker_name":174,"text":6375,"start_s":6376,"end_s":6377,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1041,"158109","En el escenario estimulado de primera vuelta, Cleitinho Azevedo, de Republicanos, tiene 33% de las intenciones de voto.",5471.54,5478.86,{"idx":6379,"utterance_id":6380,"speaker_name":174,"text":6381,"start_s":6382,"end_s":6383,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1042,"158110","Patruzana Nias, del PT, 15%.",5479.4,5480.82,{"idx":6385,"utterance_id":6386,"speaker_name":174,"text":6387,"start_s":6388,"end_s":6389,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1043,"158111","Alexandre Calil, del PDT, 13%.",5482.88,5484.42,{"idx":6391,"utterance_id":6392,"speaker_name":174,"text":6393,"start_s":6394,"end_s":6395,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1044,"158112","Matheus Simões, del PSD.",5486.68,5488.34,{"idx":6397,"utterance_id":6398,"speaker_name":174,"text":6399,"start_s":6395,"end_s":6400,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},1045,"158113","11%.",5488.38,{"idx":6402,"utterance_id":6403,"speaker_name":174,"text":6404,"start_s":6405,"end_s":6406,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1046,"158114","Gabriel Azevedo, del MDB, 7%.",5490.8,5492.46,{"idx":6408,"utterance_id":6409,"speaker_name":174,"text":6410,"start_s":6411,"end_s":6412,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1047,"158115","Flávio Roscoe, del PL, 5%.",5494.68,5497.26,{"idx":6414,"utterance_id":6415,"speaker_name":174,"text":6416,"start_s":6417,"end_s":6418,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1048,"158116","Ben Mendes, de la Missão, 3%.",5498.18,5499.54,{"idx":6420,"utterance_id":6421,"speaker_name":174,"text":6422,"start_s":6423,"end_s":6424,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1049,"158117","Indira Xavier, de la UP, 1%.",5501.48,5502.74,{"idx":6426,"utterance_id":6427,"speaker_name":174,"text":6428,"start_s":6429,"end_s":6430,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1050,"158118","No saben o no respondieron, 6%.",5504.8,5506.76,{"idx":6432,"utterance_id":6433,"speaker_name":174,"text":6434,"start_s":6435,"end_s":6436,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1051,"158119","Blancos, nulos e indecisos, 5%.",5508.8,5511.38,{"idx":6438,"utterance_id":6439,"speaker_name":174,"text":6440,"start_s":6441,"end_s":6442,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1052,"158120","Gente, solo un comentario.",5512.4,5520.42,{"idx":6444,"utterance_id":6445,"speaker_name":174,"text":6446,"start_s":6447,"end_s":6448,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1053,"158121","Qué bonito está este trabajo, la estética de este Minas Presente.",5520.44,5525.3,{"idx":6450,"utterance_id":6451,"speaker_name":174,"text":6452,"start_s":6453,"end_s":6454,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1054,"158122","Y claro, el contenido también está de altísimo nivel.",5525.56,5528.38,{"idx":6456,"utterance_id":6457,"speaker_name":174,"text":6458,"start_s":6459,"end_s":6460,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1055,"158123","Me gusta elogiar de dónde vengo.",5528.42,5530.36,{"idx":6462,"utterance_id":6463,"speaker_name":174,"text":6464,"start_s":6465,"end_s":6466,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1056,"158124","Muy bueno.",5531.3,5531.98,{"idx":6468,"utterance_id":6469,"speaker_name":174,"text":6470,"start_s":6471,"end_s":6472,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1057,"158125","Y miren, quiero hacerles una pregunta a ustedes.",5532.04,5534.3,{"idx":6474,"utterance_id":6475,"speaker_name":174,"text":6476,"start_s":6477,"end_s":6478,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1058,"158126","Sé que esto conmueve, genera un revuelo en las personas, tanto en ustedes como en quienes nos están viendo.",5534.36,5541.52,{"idx":6480,"utterance_id":6481,"speaker_name":174,"text":6482,"start_s":6483,"end_s":6484,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1059,"158127","Quiero saber sus apuestas.",5541.54,5542.9,{"idx":6486,"utterance_id":6487,"speaker_name":174,"text":6488,"start_s":6489,"end_s":6490,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},1060,"158128","En el último bastidor electoral, una de las presentes aquí, que fue Salma Freua, del diario O Tempo, ya dijo de entrada: mira, Cleitinho se va a llevar, no hay forma.",5543.4,5553.36,{"idx":6492,"utterance_id":6493,"speaker_name":174,"text":6494,"start_s":6495,"end_s":6496,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1061,"158129","Cleitinho se va a llevar.",5553.8,5554.58,{"idx":6498,"utterance_id":6499,"speaker_name":174,"text":6500,"start_s":6501,"end_s":6502,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1062,"158130","¿Qué opinan, eh, Orion?",5555.12,5556.46,{"idx":6504,"utterance_id":6505,"speaker_name":174,"text":6506,"start_s":6507,"end_s":6508,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1063,"158131","Mira, Cleitinho me recuerda mucho lo que pasó con Tramonte.",5557.26,5560.88,{"idx":6510,"utterance_id":6511,"speaker_name":174,"text":1109,"start_s":6512,"end_s":6513,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},1064,"158132",5561.06,5561.78,{"idx":6515,"utterance_id":6516,"speaker_name":174,"text":6517,"start_s":6518,"end_s":6519,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1065,"158133","Tramonte, en agosto de 2024, tenía 35%, como presentador de TV Record.",5562.14,5568.36,{"idx":6521,"utterance_id":6522,"speaker_name":174,"text":6523,"start_s":6524,"end_s":6525,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},1066,"158134","Cuando los electores descubrieron que aquel presentador era candidato a alcalde, no les gustó lo que vieron.",5569.02,5575,{"idx":6527,"utterance_id":6528,"speaker_name":174,"text":6529,"start_s":6530,"end_s":6531,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1067,"158135","Ni siquiera llegó a la segunda vuelta.",5575.42,5577.12,{"idx":6533,"utterance_id":6534,"speaker_name":174,"text":6535,"start_s":6536,"end_s":6537,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1068,"158136","No me gustan mucho las encuestas.",5578.44,5579.58,{"idx":6539,"utterance_id":6540,"speaker_name":174,"text":6541,"start_s":6542,"end_s":6543,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1069,"158137","Así, no.",5579.6,5579.92,{"idx":6545,"utterance_id":6546,"speaker_name":174,"text":6547,"start_s":6548,"end_s":6549,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1070,"158138","Lo sé.",5580.08,5580.28,{"idx":6551,"utterance_id":6552,"speaker_name":174,"text":6553,"start_s":6554,"end_s":6555,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},1071,"158139","Encuestas.",5580.3,5580.76,{"idx":6557,"utterance_id":6558,"speaker_name":174,"text":6559,"start_s":6560,"end_s":6561,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1072,"158140","A él no le gustan las encuestas.",5581.46,5582.6,{"idx":6563,"utterance_id":6564,"speaker_name":174,"text":6565,"start_s":6566,"end_s":6567,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1073,"158141","Trabajan mucho la cuestión cuantitativa.",5582.62,5586.88,{"idx":6569,"utterance_id":6570,"speaker_name":174,"text":6571,"start_s":6572,"end_s":6573,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1074,"158142","Del momentito ahí.",5586.9,5587.7,{"idx":6575,"utterance_id":6576,"speaker_name":174,"text":6577,"start_s":6578,"end_s":6579,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1075,"158143","Es un retrato, pero en realidad no retrata la realidad.",5588,5591.36,{"idx":6581,"utterance_id":6582,"speaker_name":174,"text":1353,"start_s":6583,"end_s":6584,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1076,"158144",5591.4,5591.7,{"idx":6586,"utterance_id":6587,"speaker_name":174,"text":6588,"start_s":6589,"end_s":6590,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1077,"158145","Esas mismas encuestas dicen que... Más del 50% de los electores no saben quiénes son los candidatos.",5592.08,5598.74,{"idx":6592,"utterance_id":6593,"speaker_name":174,"text":6594,"start_s":6595,"end_s":6596,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1078,"158146","Es verdad.",5600.28,5600.82,{"idx":6598,"utterance_id":6599,"speaker_name":174,"text":6600,"start_s":6601,"end_s":6602,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1079,"158147","¿Su apuesta?",5601.64,5602.28,{"idx":6604,"utterance_id":6605,"speaker_name":174,"text":6606,"start_s":6607,"end_s":6608,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1080,"158148","Entonces, me quedo con ese cliché.",5603.46,5607.32,{"idx":6610,"utterance_id":6611,"speaker_name":174,"text":6612,"start_s":6613,"end_s":6614,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1081,"158149","Solo lo sabremos en la urna, cuando se abran las urnas.",5607.62,5610.82,{"idx":6616,"utterance_id":6617,"speaker_name":174,"text":6618,"start_s":6619,"end_s":6620,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1082,"158150","Porque hoy Cleitinho está por delante, no hay duda.",5611.06,5614.44,{"idx":6622,"utterance_id":6623,"speaker_name":174,"text":6624,"start_s":6625,"end_s":6626,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1083,"158151","Es el favorito en ese sentido.",5614.46,5615.88,{"idx":6628,"utterance_id":6629,"speaker_name":174,"text":6630,"start_s":6631,"end_s":6632,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1084,"158152","Pero hay esa caja de sorpresas.",5616.32,5617.62,{"idx":6634,"utterance_id":6635,"speaker_name":174,"text":6636,"start_s":6637,"end_s":6638,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},1085,"158153","Citó el ejemplo del... candidato de Republicanos, incluso del partido de él, que fue Mauro Tramonte.",5617.66,5623.06,{"idx":6640,"utterance_id":6641,"speaker_name":174,"text":6642,"start_s":6643,"end_s":6644,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},1086,"158154","Tienes otros ejemplos en ese sentido también en São Paulo, que es hasta medio un referente, Celso Russomano, él arranca bien.",5623.08,5631.7,{"idx":6646,"utterance_id":6647,"speaker_name":174,"text":6648,"start_s":6649,"end_s":6650,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1087,"158155","La cuestión también es que el elector de Cleitinho está más comprometido que, eventualmente, lo estaba el elector de Mauro Tramonte.",5632.4,5640.56,{"idx":6652,"utterance_id":6653,"speaker_name":174,"text":6654,"start_s":6655,"end_s":6656,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1088,"158156","Pero creo que él tiende a perder un poco esa ventaja.",5642.32,5645.1,{"idx":6658,"utterance_id":6659,"speaker_name":174,"text":6660,"start_s":6661,"end_s":6662,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1089,"158157","Creo que ahora, con los programas de TV, él va a sufrir un conjunto de críticas legítimas; es parte del debate.",5645.4,5651.98,{"idx":6664,"utterance_id":6665,"speaker_name":174,"text":6666,"start_s":6667,"end_s":6668,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1090,"158158","Y entonces veremos cómo responde, o no.",5652.6,5654.74,{"idx":6670,"utterance_id":6671,"speaker_name":174,"text":6672,"start_s":6673,"end_s":6674,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1091,"158159","Confieso que me sorprendió su participación en el debate de Band.",5655.22,5659.68,{"idx":6676,"utterance_id":6677,"speaker_name":174,"text":6678,"start_s":6679,"end_s":6680,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1092,"158160","Sobre todo por haber ido.",5660.5,5661.88,{"idx":6682,"utterance_id":6683,"speaker_name":174,"text":6684,"start_s":6685,"end_s":6686,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1093,"158161","Y también por la forma en que se comportó.",5662.96,5664.8,{"idx":6688,"utterance_id":6689,"speaker_name":174,"text":6690,"start_s":6691,"end_s":6692,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1094,"158162","No dijo gran cosa, así.",5664.82,5665.94,{"idx":6694,"utterance_id":6695,"speaker_name":174,"text":6696,"start_s":6697,"end_s":6698,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1095,"158163","No fue algo digno, una gran oratoria, pero fue firme.",5666.58,5669.46,{"idx":6700,"utterance_id":6701,"speaker_name":174,"text":6702,"start_s":6703,"end_s":6704,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1096,"158164","No se enredó en ningún momento, ¿sabes?",5669.76,5672,{"idx":6706,"utterance_id":6707,"speaker_name":174,"text":6708,"start_s":6709,"end_s":6710,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},1097,"158165","Ahora, Guilherme, Ana y también Orion, en esa misma encuesta, en el formato espontáneo, el 60% de las personas preguntadas dijeron que están indecisas.",5672.2,5682.14,{"idx":6712,"utterance_id":6713,"speaker_name":174,"text":6714,"start_s":6715,"end_s":6716,"word_count":400,"indexable":178},1098,"158166","Ahí es donde creo que tenemos este mes ahora, principalmente la propaganda electoral gratuita; no voy a decir que lo cambia todo, no es capaz de cambiar un escenario que a veces ya está establecido.",5684.32,5696.72,{"idx":6718,"utterance_id":6719,"speaker_name":174,"text":6720,"start_s":6721,"end_s":6722,"word_count":377,"indexable":178},1099,"158167","Pienso que la gente dice 'apago la radio cuando hay propaganda electoral gratuita', pero a veces estás en un taxi, escuchas la radio, es decir, obligatoriamente llega a la gente de alguna forma.",5697.32,5710.48,{"idx":6724,"utterance_id":6725,"speaker_name":174,"text":6726,"start_s":6727,"end_s":6728,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1100,"158168","También va por las redes sociales, ¿no?",5710.5,5711.88,{"idx":6730,"utterance_id":6731,"speaker_name":174,"text":6732,"start_s":6733,"end_s":6734,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},1101,"158169","Sí, entonces pienso que tenemos, a pesar de un período corto, que es solo un mes de campaña, un período muy decisivo.",5711.98,5719.98,{"idx":6736,"utterance_id":6737,"speaker_name":174,"text":6738,"start_s":6739,"end_s":6740,"word_count":377,"indexable":178},1102,"158170","en el que podremos medir si la propaganda electoral gratuita, las redes sociales y hasta el peso que Cleitinho trae con esa aprobación en redes sociales, si eso se va a sostener.",5720,5733.96,{"idx":6742,"utterance_id":6743,"speaker_name":174,"text":6744,"start_s":6745,"end_s":6746,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1103,"158171","Esa es mi pregunta, para la cual no tengo respuesta.",5734.68,5737.88,{"idx":6748,"utterance_id":6749,"speaker_name":174,"text":6750,"start_s":6751,"end_s":6752,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1104,"158172","No sé si eso se sostiene.",5738,5740.08,{"idx":6754,"utterance_id":6755,"speaker_name":174,"text":6756,"start_s":6757,"end_s":6758,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1105,"158173","Los que se benefician de las encuestas en Brasil son los bancos que las financian.",5740.12,5743.52,{"idx":6760,"utterance_id":6761,"speaker_name":174,"text":6762,"start_s":6763,"end_s":6764,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1106,"158174","Toda encuesta que sale está ahí.",5743.96,5745.06,{"idx":6766,"utterance_id":6767,"speaker_name":174,"text":6768,"start_s":6769,"end_s":6770,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1107,"158175","El genial... El BTG, el Pactual, aparecen en todas las encuestas, en todos los titulares, porque saben que eso repercute.",5745.48,5752.56,{"idx":6772,"utterance_id":6773,"speaker_name":174,"text":6774,"start_s":6775,"end_s":6776,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1108,"158176","Nosotros, los periodistas, nos gusta dar un marcador.",5752.74,5754.54,{"idx":6778,"utterance_id":6779,"speaker_name":174,"text":6780,"start_s":6781,"end_s":6782,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1109,"158177","Sí, sí.",5754.58,5755.02,{"idx":6784,"utterance_id":6785,"speaker_name":174,"text":6786,"start_s":6787,"end_s":6788,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1110,"158178","Eres atrevido, eh, para jugar, lanzar eso de una vez.",5755.48,5759.08,{"idx":6790,"utterance_id":6791,"speaker_name":174,"text":6792,"start_s":6793,"end_s":6794,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1111,"158179","TV, radio, en fin.",5759.1,5760.24,{"idx":6796,"utterance_id":6797,"speaker_name":174,"text":6798,"start_s":6799,"end_s":6800,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1112,"158180","A los electores también les gusta, ¿no?",5760.62,5762.54,{"idx":6802,"utterance_id":6803,"speaker_name":174,"text":6804,"start_s":6805,"end_s":6806,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1113,"158181","A los candidatos les gusta.",5762.7,5763.62,{"idx":6808,"utterance_id":6809,"speaker_name":174,"text":6810,"start_s":6811,"end_s":6812,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1114,"158182","¿Qué está pasando?",5763.68,5764.5,{"idx":6814,"utterance_id":6815,"speaker_name":174,"text":6816,"start_s":6817,"end_s":6818,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1115,"158183","¿A dónde voy?",5764.52,5765.12,{"idx":6820,"utterance_id":6821,"speaker_name":174,"text":6822,"start_s":6823,"end_s":6824,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1116,"158184","María va con las demás.",5765.22,5766.1,{"idx":6826,"utterance_id":6827,"speaker_name":174,"text":6828,"start_s":6829,"end_s":6830,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1117,"158185","¿Dónde voy?",5766.32,5766.78,{"idx":6832,"utterance_id":6833,"speaker_name":174,"text":6834,"start_s":6835,"end_s":6836,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1118,"158186","¿A dónde voy a votar?",5767.08,5767.94,{"idx":6838,"utterance_id":6839,"speaker_name":174,"text":6816,"start_s":6840,"end_s":6841,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1119,"158187",5768.3,5768.96,{"idx":6843,"utterance_id":6844,"speaker_name":174,"text":6845,"start_s":6846,"end_s":6847,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1120,"158188","Ahora, ¿quién, en opinión de ustedes, va a arrastrar a esos indecisos?",5769.3,5772.88,{"idx":6849,"utterance_id":6850,"speaker_name":174,"text":6851,"start_s":6852,"end_s":6853,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1121,"158189","Aquí, en la disputa en Minas, claro.",5773.88,5775.32,{"idx":6855,"utterance_id":6856,"speaker_name":174,"text":6857,"start_s":6858,"end_s":6859,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1122,"158190","Entonces, eso era lo que iba a decir.",5775.46,5776.82,{"idx":6861,"utterance_id":6862,"speaker_name":174,"text":6863,"start_s":6864,"end_s":6865,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1123,"158191","En ese mismo proceso de definición del voto, es individual, pero también puede ser colectivo.",5776.88,5782.72,{"idx":6867,"utterance_id":6868,"speaker_name":174,"text":6869,"start_s":6870,"end_s":6871,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},1124,"158192","En el siguiente sentido: puede suceder que en ese intervalo de tiempo ocurra un hecho que genere toda una oleada de cosas, que alguien despunte, que alguien se posicione.",5783.16,5791.58,{"idx":6873,"utterance_id":6874,"speaker_name":174,"text":6875,"start_s":6876,"end_s":6877,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1125,"158193","Entonces, es difícil determinar quién heredaría eso.",5793.06,5795.78,{"idx":6879,"utterance_id":6880,"speaker_name":174,"text":6881,"start_s":6882,"end_s":6883,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1126,"158194","Todavía creo que... Esas figuras más cualificadas, los políticos tradicionales, los que se arrogan, tienen la capacidad de construir algo.",5796.14,5805.04,{"idx":6885,"utterance_id":6886,"speaker_name":174,"text":6887,"start_s":6888,"end_s":6889,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1127,"158195","Tienes a Matheus Simões, que, teniendo la maquinaria, esta encuesta muestra que se recupera un poco.",5805.48,5810.58,{"idx":6891,"utterance_id":6892,"speaker_name":174,"text":6893,"start_s":6894,"end_s":6895,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},1128,"158196","Tienes a Gabriel Azevedo, que es una figura con capacidad de comunicación, que comunica de forma directa.",5811.06,5817.98,{"idx":6897,"utterance_id":6898,"speaker_name":174,"text":6899,"start_s":6900,"end_s":6901,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},1129,"158197","En fin, creo que el escenario, a pesar del favoritismo de Cleitinho, aún aparece como abierto.",5818.68,5824.66,{"idx":6903,"utterance_id":6904,"speaker_name":174,"text":6905,"start_s":6906,"end_s":6907,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},1130,"158198","Yo también creo y pienso lo siguiente: habrá segunda vuelta, tenemos 11 candidatos, es el mayor número de candidatos en la historia de las elecciones de Minas, nunca hemos tenido 11 candidatos a gobernador.",5825.28,5838.28,{"idx":6909,"utterance_id":6910,"speaker_name":174,"text":6911,"start_s":6912,"end_s":6913,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1131,"158199","La disputa creo que aún está abierta, creo que Cleitinho tiene favoritismo, es innegable.",5839.36,5844.1,{"idx":6915,"utterance_id":6916,"speaker_name":174,"text":6917,"start_s":6918,"end_s":6919,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},1132,"158200","Mi cuestión es solo si ese favoritismo se sostiene, si él tendrá cuerpo para afrontar un mes más de campaña con propaganda electoral.",5844.84,5856.78,{"idx":6921,"utterance_id":6922,"speaker_name":174,"text":6923,"start_s":6924,"end_s":6925,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},1133,"158201","con los ataques que empezará a sufrir y no servirá de nada evitar debates.",5857.32,5861.06,{"idx":6927,"utterance_id":6928,"speaker_name":174,"text":6929,"start_s":6930,"end_s":6931,"word_count":485,"indexable":178},1134,"158202","Tenemos lo que Orion ya dijo, Patrus muy solo en el espectro de la izquierda, entonces también tiene un camino por delante, un espacio en el que está solo, por lo que creo que aglutinará muchos votos, dependiendo de lo que muestren las encuestas.",5862.24,5880.3,{"idx":6933,"utterance_id":6934,"speaker_name":174,"text":6935,"start_s":6936,"end_s":6937,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},1135,"158203","La diferencia entre la red social y la televisión y la radio, por ejemplo, la comunicación, ese combo, todo lo que hay ahí.",5880.44,5884.68,{"idx":6939,"utterance_id":6940,"speaker_name":174,"text":6941,"start_s":6942,"end_s":6943,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},1136,"158204","El elector sigue a un político y acompaña su vida, sus ideas y sus propuestas.",5886.88,5891.74,{"idx":6945,"utterance_id":6946,"speaker_name":174,"text":6947,"start_s":6948,"end_s":6949,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1137,"158205","En la TV, todos ellos entran en nuestras casas por la televisión hablando de sus ideas, sus propuestas y su trayectoria.",5892.22,5898.84,{"idx":6951,"utterance_id":6952,"speaker_name":174,"text":6953,"start_s":6954,"end_s":6955,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1138,"158206","Entonces la forma es más amplia.",5899.04,5900.78,{"idx":6957,"utterance_id":6958,"speaker_name":174,"text":6959,"start_s":6960,"end_s":6961,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1139,"158207","No es una burbuja, no es un algoritmo el que decide.",5900.8,5903.18,{"idx":6963,"utterance_id":6964,"speaker_name":174,"text":6965,"start_s":6966,"end_s":6967,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1140,"158208","Es algo amplio.",5903.2,5904.04,{"idx":6969,"utterance_id":6970,"speaker_name":174,"text":6971,"start_s":6972,"end_s":6973,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1141,"158209","También es una buena agenda que se está discutiendo en las redes sociales.",5904.06,5906.76,{"idx":6975,"utterance_id":6976,"speaker_name":174,"text":6977,"start_s":6978,"end_s":6979,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1142,"158210","Y lo que siempre se dice sobre Cleitinho, que es el favorito, es sobre su capacidad gerencial o no.",5907.2,5913.42,{"idx":6981,"utterance_id":6982,"speaker_name":174,"text":6983,"start_s":6984,"end_s":6985,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1143,"158211","¿Será que va a ser capaz de gobernar el Estado?",5913.48,5915.1,{"idx":6987,"utterance_id":6988,"speaker_name":174,"text":6989,"start_s":6990,"end_s":6991,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1144,"158212","¿Será que va a conseguir cambiar el papel de ser piedra a ser vidriera?",5915.62,5919.16,{"idx":6993,"utterance_id":6994,"speaker_name":174,"text":6995,"start_s":6996,"end_s":6997,"word_count":414,"indexable":178},1145,"158213","En la medida en que ese sea un debate planteado por sus adversarios y que salga de la TV, de esos medios de comunicación, y se impulse el debate en las redes sociales, ahí creo que puede perder algo.",5919.84,5930.02,{"idx":6999,"utterance_id":7000,"speaker_name":174,"text":7001,"start_s":7002,"end_s":7003,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1146,"158214","Y Simões en toda esta historia, gente, ¿cómo creen que queda?",5930.28,5934.38,{"idx":7005,"utterance_id":7006,"speaker_name":174,"text":7007,"start_s":7008,"end_s":7009,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},1147,"158215","Él es el gobernador, ¿creen que está haciendo buen uso de su puesto, de su actual posición en el juego, o está sin identidad?",5934.42,5943.96,{"idx":7011,"utterance_id":7012,"speaker_name":174,"text":7013,"start_s":7014,"end_s":7015,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1148,"158216","Para su candidatura, sí.",5944.06,5945.1,{"idx":7017,"utterance_id":7018,"speaker_name":174,"text":7019,"start_s":7020,"end_s":7021,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},1149,"158217","Sí, yo también creo y pienso que es un gobernador abandonado por su propio creador.",5945.76,5951.38,{"idx":7023,"utterance_id":7024,"speaker_name":174,"text":7025,"start_s":7026,"end_s":7027,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1150,"158218","No vemos a Zema aparecer en su campaña.",5952.6,5954.68,{"idx":7029,"utterance_id":7030,"speaker_name":174,"text":7031,"start_s":7032,"end_s":7033,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1151,"158219","Esa, por cierto, fue una pregunta que hicimos en el último bastidor electoral.",5955.4,5960.3,{"idx":7035,"utterance_id":7036,"speaker_name":174,"text":7037,"start_s":7038,"end_s":7039,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1152,"158220","¿Quién es Matheus Simões sin Zema?",5960.44,5963,{"idx":7041,"utterance_id":7042,"speaker_name":174,"text":7043,"start_s":7044,"end_s":7045,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1153,"158221","Mucha gente dijo que es alguien que muere en la playa.",5963.68,5967.58,{"idx":7047,"utterance_id":7048,"speaker_name":174,"text":7049,"start_s":7050,"end_s":7051,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1154,"158222","Pero creo que quien va a morir en la playa será Zema, porque Zema no tiene tiempo de televisión.",5967.6,5971.52,{"idx":7053,"utterance_id":7054,"speaker_name":174,"text":7055,"start_s":7056,"end_s":7057,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1155,"158223","Él va a desaparecer ahora en adelante, porque solo tiene redes sociales.",5972.1,5975.12,{"idx":7059,"utterance_id":7060,"speaker_name":174,"text":7061,"start_s":7062,"end_s":7063,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},1156,"158224","Y la persona que sigue las redes sociales de Zema, por ejemplo, lo buscará en la TV y en la radio y no lo encontrará.",5975.58,5981.12,{"idx":7065,"utterance_id":7066,"speaker_name":174,"text":7067,"start_s":7068,"end_s":7069,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},1157,"158225","En cambio Simões, que está en las redes sociales, va a ser muy visto en la TV y en la radio, porque tiene buen tiempo de televisión y lleva una campaña muy profesional.",5981.7,5990.9,{"idx":7071,"utterance_id":7072,"speaker_name":174,"text":7073,"start_s":7074,"end_s":7075,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1158,"158226","Síganlo allí.",5991.18,5991.64,{"idx":7077,"utterance_id":7078,"speaker_name":174,"text":7079,"start_s":7080,"end_s":7081,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},1159,"158227","Por cierto, una de las cosas que también señalamos sobre Zema la última semana fue su escaso rendimiento en las sabatinas, en las entrevistas en las que participó.",5992.8,6003.66,{"idx":7083,"utterance_id":7084,"speaker_name":174,"text":7085,"start_s":7086,"end_s":7087,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},1160,"158228","Principalmente en lo que respecta a explicar a Ismil Sá cómo realizaría algunas de las propuestas que hizo.",6004.12,6011.46,{"idx":7089,"utterance_id":7090,"speaker_name":174,"text":7091,"start_s":7092,"end_s":7093,"word_count":437,"indexable":178},1161,"158229","¿Creen que el hecho de que los candidatos, como por ejemplo Zema, estén siendo desenmascarados en su falta de fundamento y base, está haciendo que los demás postulantes digan no a los debates, no a los confrontos con la prensa, en ese formato en vivo?",6011.92,6031.02,{"idx":7095,"utterance_id":7096,"speaker_name":174,"text":7097,"start_s":7098,"end_s":7099,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1162,"158230","¿Creen que tiene que ver con eso?",6031.42,6033.02,{"idx":7101,"utterance_id":7102,"speaker_name":174,"text":7103,"start_s":7104,"end_s":7105,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},1163,"158231","Sí, creo, coincidiendo con lo que dijo Orion hace un rato, les falta identidad política.",6033.5,6039.64,{"idx":7107,"utterance_id":7108,"speaker_name":174,"text":7109,"start_s":7110,"end_s":7111,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1164,"158232","Un cierto espectro de la derecha ha importado ese discurso prefabricado de una cierta plataforma de enfrentamiento a la criminalidad de El Salvador.",6042.22,6049.88,{"idx":7113,"utterance_id":7114,"speaker_name":174,"text":7115,"start_s":7116,"end_s":7117,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1165,"158233","Vino en un paquete listo, pero nadie se detuvo a reflexionar.",6050.72,6053.36,{"idx":7119,"utterance_id":7120,"speaker_name":174,"text":7121,"start_s":7122,"end_s":7123,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1166,"158234","Si era viable o no.",6053.9,6054.88,{"idx":7125,"utterance_id":7126,"speaker_name":174,"text":7121,"start_s":7127,"end_s":7128,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1167,"158235",6054.9,6056.14,{"idx":1426,"utterance_id":7130,"speaker_name":174,"text":7131,"start_s":7132,"end_s":7133,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},"158236","Si es legal o no.",6056.4,6057.78,{"idx":7135,"utterance_id":7136,"speaker_name":174,"text":7131,"start_s":7137,"end_s":7138,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1169,"158237",6057.8,6059.08,{"idx":7140,"utterance_id":7141,"speaker_name":174,"text":7142,"start_s":7143,"end_s":7144,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1170,"158238","Y fue ahí donde se perdió en el personaje, en la fórmula prefabricada.",6059.22,6063.34,{"idx":7146,"utterance_id":7147,"speaker_name":174,"text":7148,"start_s":7149,"end_s":7150,"word_count":343,"indexable":178},1171,"158239","Porque si, por un lado, esa propuesta tenía ahí una fuerza de enfrentamiento, más firme contra las facciones... allá en Salvador, que es otra realidad, cuando el tipo fue confrontado con lo que defendía, quedó colgado en la brocha.",6063.72,6078.84,{"idx":7152,"utterance_id":7153,"speaker_name":174,"text":7154,"start_s":7155,"end_s":7156,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1172,"158240","Y eran preguntas muy básicas.",6079.52,6082.04,{"idx":7158,"utterance_id":7159,"speaker_name":174,"text":7160,"start_s":7161,"end_s":7162,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1173,"158241","Y él ya ha fallado en esas mismas cuestiones dos veces.",6082.64,6085.7,{"idx":7164,"utterance_id":7165,"speaker_name":174,"text":7166,"start_s":7167,"end_s":7168,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1174,"158242","Miren, eso de la persona me parece muy interesante, ¿eh?",6086.3,6090.86,{"idx":7170,"utterance_id":7171,"speaker_name":174,"text":7172,"start_s":7173,"end_s":7174,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1175,"158243","Porque hay que construirla bien y no puede salirse de ella, ¿no es verdad?",6090.92,6095.1,{"idx":7176,"utterance_id":7177,"speaker_name":174,"text":3766,"start_s":7178,"end_s":7179,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},1176,"158244",6095.12,6095.22,{"idx":7181,"utterance_id":7182,"speaker_name":174,"text":7183,"start_s":7184,"end_s":7185,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1177,"158245","No lleves al personaje a la cama.",6095.68,6097.42,{"idx":7187,"utterance_id":7188,"speaker_name":174,"text":7189,"start_s":7190,"end_s":7191,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1178,"158246","Hay quienes se lo llevan a la cama, pero no lo llevan a la entrevista.",6097.48,6100.62,{"idx":7193,"utterance_id":7194,"speaker_name":174,"text":7195,"start_s":7196,"end_s":7197,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1179,"158247","A la hora de la entrevista, todo se desmorona.",6100.66,6103.24,{"idx":7199,"utterance_id":7200,"speaker_name":174,"text":7201,"start_s":7202,"end_s":7203,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},1180,"158248","Se desmorona.",6103.26,6103.84,{"idx":7205,"utterance_id":7206,"speaker_name":174,"text":7207,"start_s":7208,"end_s":7209,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1181,"158249","Están llegando preguntas para nosotros aquí.",6104.3,6106.1,{"idx":7211,"utterance_id":7212,"speaker_name":174,"text":7213,"start_s":7214,"end_s":7215,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1182,"158250","Vamos a seguir.",6106.16,6106.88,{"idx":7217,"utterance_id":7218,"speaker_name":174,"text":7219,"start_s":7220,"end_s":7221,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1183,"158251","Hoy, Minas Gerais tiene renuncias fiscales de aproximadamente 24 mil millones de reales por año.",6107.6,6114.04,{"idx":7223,"utterance_id":7224,"speaker_name":174,"text":7225,"start_s":7226,"end_s":7227,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1184,"158252","Esas renuncias, el valor de esas renuncias prácticamente se duplicó durante el gobierno de Romeu Zema.",6114.76,6121.06,{"idx":7229,"utterance_id":7230,"speaker_name":174,"text":7231,"start_s":7232,"end_s":7233,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},1185,"158253","Hoy, el acumulado de las exenciones entre 2017 y 2024 es de más de 120 mil millones de reales.",6122.24,6127.64,{"idx":7235,"utterance_id":7236,"speaker_name":174,"text":7237,"start_s":7238,"end_s":7239,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1186,"158254","Entonces, estamos hablando de un recurso significativo que el Estado deja de recaudar para beneficiar a unas pocas empresas.",6127.66,6134.86,{"idx":7241,"utterance_id":7242,"speaker_name":174,"text":7243,"start_s":7244,"end_s":7245,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},1187,"158255","en un contexto en el que el Estado de Minas tiene una deuda muy difícil de pagar y una situación fiscal que no se sostiene en el día a día.",6135.42,6142.54,{"idx":7247,"utterance_id":7248,"speaker_name":174,"text":7249,"start_s":7250,"end_s":7251,"word_count":239,"indexable":178},1188,"158256","La pregunta que debe hacerse a los candidatos es si ese tipo de privilegio para unos pocos empresarios, mientras el resto de la población paga impuestos, se mantendrá en un eventual gobierno de ustedes que son candidatos.",6143.18,6157.1,{"idx":7253,"utterance_id":7254,"speaker_name":174,"text":7255,"start_s":7256,"end_s":7257,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1189,"158257","Esa es una bomba que Zema dejó para Matheus Simões.",6158.58,6163.28,{"idx":7259,"utterance_id":7260,"speaker_name":174,"text":7261,"start_s":7262,"end_s":7263,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1190,"158258","¿Y la exención, sería solo para algunos?",6163.32,6165.96,{"idx":7265,"utterance_id":7266,"speaker_name":174,"text":7267,"start_s":7268,"end_s":7269,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1191,"158259","¿Cómo es esa historia?",6166.08,6167.16,{"idx":7271,"utterance_id":7272,"speaker_name":174,"text":7273,"start_s":7274,"end_s":7275,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1192,"158260","Esa es la cuestión.",6168.42,6168.94,{"idx":7277,"utterance_id":7278,"speaker_name":174,"text":7279,"start_s":7280,"end_s":7281,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1193,"158261","La falta de transparencia.",6169.62,6170.7,{"idx":7283,"utterance_id":7284,"speaker_name":174,"text":7285,"start_s":7286,"end_s":7287,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1194,"158262","No puedo decir cuáles son porque no las divulgaron.",6170.72,6172.94,{"idx":7289,"utterance_id":7290,"speaker_name":174,"text":7291,"start_s":7292,"end_s":7293,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1195,"158263","Y de coherencia, en el sentido del Partido Novo.",6172.98,6175.5,{"idx":7295,"utterance_id":7296,"speaker_name":174,"text":7297,"start_s":7298,"end_s":7299,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},1196,"158264","En tanto, Gabriel dijo aquí que la familia de Romeu Zema habría sido beneficiada por esa exención fiscal.",6175.62,6180.3,{"idx":7301,"utterance_id":7302,"speaker_name":174,"text":7303,"start_s":7304,"end_s":7305,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},1197,"158265","Ahora, lo más importante es saber si esos beneficiados por la exención fiscal... por esos incentivos, trajeron a Minas Gerais más empleos, más desarrollo económico?",6180.64,6191.72,{"idx":7307,"utterance_id":7308,"speaker_name":174,"text":7309,"start_s":7310,"end_s":7311,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1198,"158266","¿Qué pasó?",6192.14,6193.1,{"idx":7313,"utterance_id":7314,"speaker_name":174,"text":7315,"start_s":7316,"end_s":7317,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},1199,"158267","Generación de renta y empleo, la propuesta es de más inversiones para mover la economía.",6193.32,6200.52,{"idx":7319,"utterance_id":7320,"speaker_name":174,"text":7321,"start_s":7322,"end_s":7323,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1200,"158268","¿Estamos obteniendo esos resultados?",6200.84,6202.88,{"idx":7325,"utterance_id":7326,"speaker_name":174,"text":7327,"start_s":7328,"end_s":7329,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},1201,"158269","Lo que Zema se defiende en relación con eso es que son exenciones dadas a sectores, no a empresas específicas.",6203.68,6210.92,{"idx":7331,"utterance_id":7332,"speaker_name":174,"text":7333,"start_s":7334,"end_s":7335,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},1202,"158270","que era una política que él heredó, pero en el enfrentamiento con los periodistas también dijo: no, usted heredó en cierto nivel y amplió eso significativamente.",6211.7,6219.86,{"idx":7337,"utterance_id":7338,"speaker_name":174,"text":7339,"start_s":7340,"end_s":7341,"word_count":377,"indexable":178},1203,"158271","El sitio del gobierno del Estado tiene, publicaron un estudio de un—ahora no voy a recordar—de una universidad, donde justificarán que esas exenciones generaron un conjunto de empleos.",6220.3,6235.04,{"idx":7343,"utterance_id":7344,"speaker_name":174,"text":7345,"start_s":7346,"end_s":7347,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1204,"158272","Miren, sinceramente, tengo un poco de duda, con todo respeto.",6235.52,6238.88,{"idx":7349,"utterance_id":7350,"speaker_name":174,"text":7351,"start_s":7352,"end_s":7353,"word_count":350,"indexable":178},1205,"158273","sobre quién elaboró eso, porque vivimos un poco ese cambio de matriz económica, donde hay todo un conjunto de digitalizaciones que están extinguiendo puestos de trabajo.",6239.56,6249.28,{"idx":7355,"utterance_id":7356,"speaker_name":174,"text":7357,"start_s":7358,"end_s":7359,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1206,"158274","Había que verlo, y ahí falló, faltó transparencia.",6250,6252.66,{"idx":7361,"utterance_id":7362,"speaker_name":174,"text":7363,"start_s":7364,"end_s":7365,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},1207,"158275","Solo tuvimos acceso a esos datos por una judicialización hecha por una diputada.",6252.7,6256.98,{"idx":7367,"utterance_id":7368,"speaker_name":174,"text":7369,"start_s":7370,"end_s":7371,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1208,"158276","Y el propio gobierno... cohibido por eso, quedó así: no vamos a divulgar.",6257.48,6262.16,{"idx":7373,"utterance_id":7374,"speaker_name":174,"text":7375,"start_s":7376,"end_s":7377,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1209,"158277","Al principio Zema no quiso divulgar.",6262.6,6264.2,{"idx":7379,"utterance_id":7380,"speaker_name":174,"text":7381,"start_s":7382,"end_s":7383,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1210,"158278","Matheus Simões adopta la premisa de que lo divulgaría.",6264.56,6267.24,{"idx":7385,"utterance_id":7386,"speaker_name":174,"text":7387,"start_s":7388,"end_s":7389,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1211,"158279","Después retrocedió, en una historia de que eso afectaría estratégicamente la relación con los otros estados.",6267.58,6274,{"idx":7391,"utterance_id":7392,"speaker_name":174,"text":7393,"start_s":7394,"end_s":7395,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1212,"158280","Tuvo que acudir a la justicia y divulgar.",6274.26,6275.74,{"idx":7397,"utterance_id":7398,"speaker_name":174,"text":7399,"start_s":7400,"end_s":7401,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1213,"158281","Y esas son las limitaciones.",6275.76,6277.22,{"idx":7403,"utterance_id":7404,"speaker_name":174,"text":7405,"start_s":7406,"end_s":7407,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},1214,"158282","La cuestión del Estado y cómo cada uno de los candidatos aborda la entidad, el Estado y el poder.",6279.26,6287.02,{"idx":7409,"utterance_id":7410,"speaker_name":174,"text":7411,"start_s":7412,"end_s":7413,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1215,"158283","Es algo de lo que creo que está bien que hablemos.",6287.52,6290.4,{"idx":7415,"utterance_id":7416,"speaker_name":174,"text":7417,"start_s":7418,"end_s":7419,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},1216,"158284","Empezando por Cleitinho Azevedo, cuya forma de hablar es, para mí, una de las que más llama la atención, con varias banderas rojas: 'menos Estado'.",6290.48,6304.8,{"idx":7421,"utterance_id":7422,"speaker_name":174,"text":7423,"start_s":7424,"end_s":7425,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1217,"158285","Y más pueblo en la boca de Cleitinho.",6305.12,6308.28,{"idx":7427,"utterance_id":7428,"speaker_name":174,"text":7429,"start_s":7430,"end_s":7431,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1218,"158286","¿Cuál sería la Minas Gerais del futuro de cada uno de estos candidatos, en un análisis, una posible previsión de ustedes?",6310.42,6318.16,{"idx":7433,"utterance_id":7434,"speaker_name":174,"text":7435,"start_s":7436,"end_s":7437,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1219,"158287","Del Cleitinho, por ejemplo, partiendo de esas locuras.",6318.46,6319.54,{"idx":1490,"utterance_id":7439,"speaker_name":174,"text":7440,"start_s":7441,"end_s":7442,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},"158288","Desconocimiento de lo que es el Estado y del papel que el Estado tiene ante la vida de las personas.",6319.56,6323.58,{"idx":7444,"utterance_id":7445,"speaker_name":174,"text":7446,"start_s":7447,"end_s":7448,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},1221,"158289","Es el Estado el que regula las desigualdades sociales, regula las inversiones, regula dónde habrá más inversión, más empleo o menos, más o menos.",6323.7,6331.52,{"idx":7450,"utterance_id":7451,"speaker_name":174,"text":7452,"start_s":7453,"end_s":7454,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1222,"158290","salud, más o menos educación.",6331.9,6333.48,{"idx":7456,"utterance_id":7457,"speaker_name":174,"text":7458,"start_s":7459,"end_s":7460,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1223,"158291","No es 'más pueblo' lo que lo va a resolver.",6333.64,6335.52,{"idx":7462,"utterance_id":7463,"speaker_name":174,"text":7464,"start_s":7465,"end_s":7466,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1224,"158292","Es necesario que el Estado esté al servicio de ese pueblo.",6335.8,6339.1,{"idx":7468,"utterance_id":7469,"speaker_name":174,"text":7470,"start_s":7471,"end_s":7472,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1225,"158293","Veo la dificultad de asumir ese papel, ¿saben?",6339.64,6342.42,{"idx":7474,"utterance_id":7475,"speaker_name":174,"text":7476,"start_s":7477,"end_s":7478,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},1226,"158294","El papel de quien tiene que tomar decisiones y asumir las consecuencias de las decisiones que se toman.",6342.76,6348.32,{"idx":7480,"utterance_id":7481,"speaker_name":174,"text":7482,"start_s":7483,"end_s":7484,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1227,"158295","Tomar decisiones, determinar que X recurso vaya para acá, X recurso vaya para allá.",6348.66,6354.24,{"idx":7486,"utterance_id":7487,"speaker_name":174,"text":7488,"start_s":7489,"end_s":7490,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1228,"158296","Si las decisiones serán buenas o no, el tiempo lo dirá.",6354.86,6357.76,{"idx":7492,"utterance_id":7493,"speaker_name":174,"text":7494,"start_s":7495,"end_s":7496,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1229,"158297","Pero hay que pensar que ese discurso de 'Ah, más pueblo y menos Estado'.",6358.14,6363.9,{"idx":7498,"utterance_id":7499,"speaker_name":174,"text":7500,"start_s":7501,"end_s":7502,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},1230,"158298","No.",6364,6364.18,{"idx":7504,"utterance_id":7505,"speaker_name":174,"text":7506,"start_s":7507,"end_s":7508,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},1231,"158299","Si usted se está postulando a gobernador del Estado, tiene que asumir la responsabilidad por la elección que hizo.",6364.48,6370.08,{"idx":7510,"utterance_id":7511,"speaker_name":174,"text":7512,"start_s":7513,"end_s":7514,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1232,"158300","Y asumir las decisiones que tendrá que tomar.",6371.04,6373.66,{"idx":7516,"utterance_id":7517,"speaker_name":174,"text":7518,"start_s":7519,"end_s":7520,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},1233,"158301","Y ¿hay algún candidato para ustedes que esté proponiendo o que se acerque a hacer algo en el sentido de un cambio estructural significativo?",6373.68,6383.48,{"idx":7522,"utterance_id":7523,"speaker_name":174,"text":7500,"start_s":7524,"end_s":7525,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},1234,"158302",6385.02,6385.26,{"idx":7527,"utterance_id":7528,"speaker_name":174,"text":7529,"start_s":7530,"end_s":7531,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1235,"158303","Incluso estuve analizando los planes de gobierno.",6385.6,6388.32,{"idx":7533,"utterance_id":7534,"speaker_name":174,"text":7535,"start_s":7536,"end_s":7537,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1236,"158304","Uno de ellos... salvo los partidos más de izquierda, pero de una izquierda más radical, PSTU, en fin.",6389,6396.64,{"idx":7539,"utterance_id":7540,"speaker_name":174,"text":7541,"start_s":7542,"end_s":7543,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1237,"158305","Pero es algo tan desconectado de una realidad más objetiva.",6397.42,6400.96,{"idx":7545,"utterance_id":7546,"speaker_name":174,"text":7547,"start_s":7548,"end_s":7549,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1238,"158306","Pero ninguno de ellos presenta un plan que venga a cambiar de forma radical y sustancial el actual estado de cosas.",6401.46,6409.08,{"idx":7551,"utterance_id":7552,"speaker_name":174,"text":7553,"start_s":7554,"end_s":7555,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},1239,"158307","Sobre todo porque, dialogando con una realidad objetiva, allí tienes un endeudamiento del Estado que te ata de forma muy considerable.",6409.24,6417.14,{"idx":7557,"utterance_id":7558,"speaker_name":174,"text":7559,"start_s":7560,"end_s":7561,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1240,"158308","Es un poco así: maniobrar eso dentro de un margen muy estrecho.",6420.26,6426.3,{"idx":7563,"utterance_id":7564,"speaker_name":174,"text":7565,"start_s":7566,"end_s":7567,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1241,"158309","Es decir, el margen de maniobra es pequeño.",6426.32,6428.18,{"idx":7569,"utterance_id":7570,"speaker_name":174,"text":7571,"start_s":7572,"end_s":7573,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1242,"158310","Tiene pocos recursos, una deuda enorme, un montón de intereses que administrar.",6428.8,6434.06,{"idx":7575,"utterance_id":7576,"speaker_name":174,"text":7577,"start_s":7578,"end_s":7579,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1243,"158311","Educación, salud principalmente, seguridad pública, con varios problemas.",6435,6441.1,{"idx":7581,"utterance_id":7582,"speaker_name":174,"text":7583,"start_s":7584,"end_s":7585,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1244,"158312","Realmente es hacer malabarismos, es como el que hace malabares con platos.",6442.02,6444.66,{"idx":7587,"utterance_id":7588,"speaker_name":174,"text":7589,"start_s":7590,"end_s":7591,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1245,"158313","Y la falta de un proyecto, la falta de una propuesta económica.",6444.7,6447.26,{"idx":7593,"utterance_id":7594,"speaker_name":174,"text":7595,"start_s":7596,"end_s":7597,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},1246,"158314","Cuando usted promueve la competencia fiscal, está librando una guerra fiscal para arrebatarle a ese estado vecino el emprendimiento que iba para allá.",6447.3,6455.1,{"idx":7599,"utterance_id":7600,"speaker_name":174,"text":7601,"start_s":7602,"end_s":7603,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1247,"158315","Lo trae para acá, lo hace de manera casi... atropellada.",6455.12,6460.06,{"idx":7605,"utterance_id":7606,"speaker_name":174,"text":7607,"start_s":7608,"end_s":7609,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1248,"158316","No, sin proyecto alguno y usted se va anulando completamente.",6460.22,6463.44,{"idx":7611,"utterance_id":7612,"speaker_name":174,"text":7613,"start_s":7614,"end_s":7615,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1249,"158317","Que venga para acá y solo su presencia va a resolver.",6463.74,6466.24,{"idx":7617,"utterance_id":7618,"speaker_name":174,"text":7619,"start_s":7620,"end_s":7621,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1250,"158318","Ya basta.",6466.38,6466.7,{"idx":7623,"utterance_id":7624,"speaker_name":174,"text":7625,"start_s":7626,"end_s":7627,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1251,"158319","Y generalmente va a las regiones ricas.",6466.72,6468.26,{"idx":7629,"utterance_id":7630,"speaker_name":174,"text":7631,"start_s":7632,"end_s":7633,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1252,"158320","Usted ve la pieza principal.",6468.46,6470.78,{"idx":7635,"utterance_id":7636,"speaker_name":174,"text":7637,"start_s":7638,"end_s":7639,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},1253,"158321","de combate a la desigualdad social, desigualdad regional, de inversión del Estado, se llama presupuesto del Estado.",6471.28,6478.02,{"idx":7641,"utterance_id":7642,"speaker_name":174,"text":7643,"start_s":7644,"end_s":7645,"word_count":400,"indexable":178},1254,"158322","Históricamente, la mayor porción va al sur, triángulo, y las porciones van reduciéndose hacia el centro-sur; cuando miras el norte y el Jequitinhonha, es 1%, 2%, nunca va a salir de esa realidad, sólo reafirma la desigualdad.",6478.82,6491.76,{"idx":7647,"utterance_id":7648,"speaker_name":174,"text":7649,"start_s":7650,"end_s":7651,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},1255,"158323","Orion, y ustedes también, por favor, ¿cuál de estos candidatos, claro que están mejor posicionados en las encuestas, va a decepcionar más al pobre habitante de Minas Gerais?",6491.78,6502.74,{"idx":7653,"utterance_id":7654,"speaker_name":174,"text":7655,"start_s":7656,"end_s":7657,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1256,"158324","Creo que Cleitinho, sinceramente.",6505.76,6508.18,{"idx":7659,"utterance_id":7660,"speaker_name":174,"text":7661,"start_s":7662,"end_s":7663,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},1257,"158325","Porque, miren, el populismo, sobre todo su neopopulismo, tiene eso... convence, consigue adeptos, pues...",6509,6518.82,{"idx":7665,"utterance_id":7666,"speaker_name":174,"text":7667,"start_s":7668,"end_s":7669,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1258,"158326","Sabe hablar.",6519.22,6519.92,{"idx":7671,"utterance_id":7672,"speaker_name":174,"text":7673,"start_s":7674,"end_s":7675,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},1259,"158327","Sabe hablar, pero, queridos míos, la decepción llega, porque... existe una distancia muy grande entre hablar y hacer.",6519.98,6527.56,{"idx":7677,"utterance_id":7678,"speaker_name":174,"text":7679,"start_s":7680,"end_s":7681,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},1260,"158328","¿Y usted cree que la decepción vendría en la figura de Cleitinho por la falta de capacidad para hacer o implementar su plan de gobierno, o incluso por falta de carácter?",6527.88,6542.5,{"idx":7683,"utterance_id":7684,"speaker_name":174,"text":7685,"start_s":7686,"end_s":7687,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1261,"158329","No creo que sea falta de carácter, no.",6543.22,6544.6,{"idx":7689,"utterance_id":7690,"speaker_name":174,"text":7691,"start_s":7692,"end_s":7693,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1262,"158330","Miren, hay algunas cosas que son sintomáticas.",6545.08,6547.44,{"idx":7695,"utterance_id":7696,"speaker_name":174,"text":7697,"start_s":7698,"end_s":7699,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1263,"158331","Es el candidato contra el sistema.",6547.48,6549.84,{"idx":7701,"utterance_id":7702,"speaker_name":174,"text":7703,"start_s":7704,"end_s":7705,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1264,"158332","Eso quiere decir tantas cosas y al final no dice nada.",6550.42,6553.34,{"idx":7707,"utterance_id":7708,"speaker_name":174,"text":7709,"start_s":7710,"end_s":7711,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1265,"158333","¿Qué sistema?",6553.52,6554.18,{"idx":7713,"utterance_id":7714,"speaker_name":174,"text":7715,"start_s":7716,"end_s":7717,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1266,"158334","Objetivamente, él quiere ser gobernador del Estado.",6554.56,6556.8,{"idx":7719,"utterance_id":7720,"speaker_name":174,"text":7721,"start_s":7722,"end_s":7723,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1267,"158335","¿Cuál es el conjunto de privilegios que él percibe, que él entiende que necesita enfrentar?",6557.54,6561.88,{"idx":7725,"utterance_id":7726,"speaker_name":174,"text":7727,"start_s":7728,"end_s":7729,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1268,"158336","¿Qué es lo más fuerte de su proyecto?",6562.8,6564.54,{"idx":7731,"utterance_id":7732,"speaker_name":174,"text":7733,"start_s":7734,"end_s":7735,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1269,"158337","es la cuestión del IPVA, que suena muy bien.",6564.56,6566.7,{"idx":7737,"utterance_id":7738,"speaker_name":174,"text":7739,"start_s":7740,"end_s":7741,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1270,"158338","La gente, 'qué bueno que mi coche no será remolcado', porque eso, bueno.",6567.02,6571.9,{"idx":7743,"utterance_id":7744,"speaker_name":174,"text":7745,"start_s":7746,"end_s":7747,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1271,"158339","¿Y cómo lo va a hacer?",6572.08,6572.86,{"idx":7749,"utterance_id":7750,"speaker_name":174,"text":7751,"start_s":7752,"end_s":7753,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1272,"158340","Porque tenemos un déficit, eso implica pérdida de recaudación.",6572.88,6576.38,{"idx":7755,"utterance_id":7756,"speaker_name":174,"text":7757,"start_s":7758,"end_s":7759,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1273,"158341","La gente, si el coche no es remolcado, ¿por qué van a pagar?",6576.82,6579.62,{"idx":7761,"utterance_id":7762,"speaker_name":174,"text":7763,"start_s":7764,"end_s":7765,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1274,"158342","Tal vez paguen cuando eventualmente tengan que venderlo, pero incluso eso supone una pérdida en ese sentido.",6579.96,6585.84,{"idx":7767,"utterance_id":7768,"speaker_name":174,"text":7769,"start_s":7770,"end_s":7771,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1275,"158343","Y ahí, en el día a día de esas cosas, es donde el populista que promete más conseguirá entregar menos.",6586.26,6592.84,{"idx":7773,"utterance_id":7774,"speaker_name":174,"text":7775,"start_s":7776,"end_s":7777,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1276,"158344","Y entonces él dice, dentro de poco...",6593.28,6595.2,{"idx":7779,"utterance_id":7780,"speaker_name":174,"text":7781,"start_s":7782,"end_s":7783,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1277,"158345","Y entonces la decepción.",6596.06,6596.9,{"idx":7785,"utterance_id":7786,"speaker_name":174,"text":7787,"start_s":7788,"end_s":7789,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1278,"158346","La decepción llega.",6596.94,6597.9,{"idx":7791,"utterance_id":7792,"speaker_name":174,"text":7793,"start_s":7794,"end_s":7795,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1279,"158347","Y del lado de la izquierda, gente, ¿quién ya decepcionó al pobre habitante de Minas Gerais?",6598.18,6602.36,{"idx":7797,"utterance_id":7798,"speaker_name":174,"text":7799,"start_s":7800,"end_s":7801,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1280,"158348","Creo que el gobierno de gestión de Fernando Pimentel decepcionó a mucha gente.",6604.54,6607.36,{"idx":7803,"utterance_id":7804,"speaker_name":174,"text":7805,"start_s":7806,"end_s":7807,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1281,"158349","por los malos resultados, por la incapacidad de gestionar las finanzas del Estado.",6608.3,6612.86,{"idx":7809,"utterance_id":7810,"speaker_name":174,"text":7811,"start_s":7812,"end_s":7813,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},1282,"158350","Dejó deuda, salarios atrasados de los servidores, pagando los salarios en cuotas, dejó de hacer las transferencias obligatorias constitucionales a los municipios, tanto en el área de la salud como en el traspaso del CMS.",6613.12,6625.38,{"idx":7815,"utterance_id":7816,"speaker_name":174,"text":7817,"start_s":7818,"end_s":7819,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},1283,"158351","Así que creo que dejó, incluso, en todo ese periodo después del fin del gobierno de Fernando Pimentel: el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) está deprimido.",6625.68,6635.04,{"idx":7821,"utterance_id":7822,"speaker_name":174,"text":7823,"start_s":7824,"end_s":7825,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1284,"158352","El PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) ya no quiso disputar las elecciones después de eso, porque no conseguía identificarse con aquella situación anterior.",6635.38,6642.34,{"idx":7827,"utterance_id":7828,"speaker_name":174,"text":7829,"start_s":7830,"end_s":7831,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},1285,"158353","Ahora, Patrus, aunque libado en su trayectoria, principalmente en lo que respecta a la corrupción, ¿ustedes creen que él hereda directamente esa herencia de traición del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) en la gestión estatal?",6642.7,6656.3,{"idx":7833,"utterance_id":7834,"speaker_name":174,"text":7835,"start_s":7836,"end_s":7837,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1286,"158354","Es un desafío que tiene, es una cuenta que tiene que justificar.",6656.32,6659.84,{"idx":7839,"utterance_id":7840,"speaker_name":174,"text":7841,"start_s":7842,"end_s":7843,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1287,"158355","Él es diferente de Pimentel, tiene otra trayectoria, pero eso está relacionado con el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores).",6661.28,6665.6,{"idx":7845,"utterance_id":7846,"speaker_name":174,"text":7847,"start_s":7848,"end_s":7849,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1288,"158356","Necesita enfrentar ese debate, necesita justificar que Pimentel tuvo esas dificultades.",6665.66,6669.74,{"idx":7851,"utterance_id":7852,"speaker_name":174,"text":7853,"start_s":7854,"end_s":7855,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1289,"158357","¿Y por qué tuvo esas dificultades?",6669.76,6671.42,{"idx":7857,"utterance_id":7858,"speaker_name":174,"text":7859,"start_s":7860,"end_s":7861,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1290,"158358","El contexto económico y político de la época, que incluso generó el impeachment de la presidenta Dilma Rousseff.",6671.64,6676.78,{"idx":7863,"utterance_id":7864,"speaker_name":174,"text":7865,"start_s":7866,"end_s":7867,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1291,"158359","Entonces fue un momento de desmantelamiento de la política del país.",6676.82,6680.88,{"idx":7869,"utterance_id":7870,"speaker_name":174,"text":7871,"start_s":7872,"end_s":7873,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1292,"158360","Él sufrió por eso, no tuvo condiciones para superar esa dificultad.",6681.52,6684.64,{"idx":7875,"utterance_id":7876,"speaker_name":174,"text":7877,"start_s":7878,"end_s":7879,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1293,"158361","Hay razones, ¿no?",6684.84,6685.72,{"idx":7881,"utterance_id":7882,"speaker_name":174,"text":7883,"start_s":7884,"end_s":7885,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},1294,"158362","Tiene que presentar, tiene que... No defender ese legado, tiene que justificar ese mal momento histórico del PT (Partido de los Trabajadores) aquí en Minas Gerais.",6685.74,6693.4,{"idx":7887,"utterance_id":7888,"speaker_name":174,"text":7889,"start_s":7890,"end_s":7891,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1295,"158363","Y ahora, en cuanto a la sensación de la población de Minas, ¿creen que la vida de los hombres y mujeres de Minas ha mejorado?",6693.42,6700.68,{"idx":7893,"utterance_id":7894,"speaker_name":174,"text":7895,"start_s":7896,"end_s":7897,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1296,"158364","¿Cuál fue el impacto de las últimas gestiones?",6700.72,6703.4,{"idx":7899,"utterance_id":7900,"speaker_name":174,"text":7901,"start_s":7902,"end_s":7903,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1297,"158365","Se demoran en pensar, gente.",6707.48,6709.54,{"idx":7905,"utterance_id":7906,"speaker_name":174,"text":7907,"start_s":7908,"end_s":7909,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1298,"158366","Ese silencio es lo que hace el drama aún mayor, gente.",6709.56,6713.38,{"idx":7911,"utterance_id":7912,"speaker_name":174,"text":7913,"start_s":7914,"end_s":7915,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1299,"158367","El silencio dice mucho, ¿no?",6713.4,6715.78,{"idx":7917,"utterance_id":7918,"speaker_name":174,"text":7919,"start_s":7920,"end_s":7921,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1300,"158368","Esas pausas dramáticas de ustedes.",6715.86,6717.5,{"idx":7923,"utterance_id":7924,"speaker_name":174,"text":7925,"start_s":7926,"end_s":7927,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1301,"158369","Las respiraciones profundas, dramáticas.",6717.52,6719.48,{"idx":7929,"utterance_id":7930,"speaker_name":174,"text":7931,"start_s":7932,"end_s":7933,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1302,"158370","Dicen mucho sobre lo desafiante que es este momento, no sólo para los candidatos.",6719.78,6727.04,{"idx":7935,"utterance_id":7936,"speaker_name":174,"text":7937,"start_s":7938,"end_s":7939,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},1303,"158371","No vamos a ser justos, aun cuando él habló de la gestión de Pimentel; no seremos justos si evaluamos la gestión.",6727.06,6734.92,{"idx":7941,"utterance_id":7942,"speaker_name":174,"text":7943,"start_s":7944,"end_s":7945,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1304,"158372","estos ocho años del gobierno Zema, sin considerar las cuestiones nacionales e incluso internacionales, que también impactaron en el gobierno de Pimentel.",6736.12,6745.6,{"idx":1557,"utterance_id":7947,"speaker_name":174,"text":7948,"start_s":7949,"end_s":7950,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},"158373","Todas las cuestiones nacionales y la crisis internacional, la crisis económica, en fin, impactaron.",6746.26,6752.82,{"idx":7952,"utterance_id":7953,"speaker_name":174,"text":7954,"start_s":7955,"end_s":7956,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1306,"158374","Si hizo lo que pudo o lo que no pudo, si hizo poco o mucho, creo que da igual.",6753.3,6757.96,{"idx":7958,"utterance_id":7959,"speaker_name":174,"text":7960,"start_s":7961,"end_s":7962,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1307,"158375","Usted dijo, Patros tendrá que explicar.",6757.98,6760.18,{"idx":7964,"utterance_id":7965,"speaker_name":174,"text":7966,"start_s":7967,"end_s":7968,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},1308,"158376","Y creo que nuestra evaluación sobre cómo está Minas ahora debe ser más amplia.",6760.9,6767.9,{"idx":7970,"utterance_id":7971,"speaker_name":174,"text":7972,"start_s":7973,"end_s":7974,"word_count":169,"indexable":178},1309,"158377","No basta con que tomemos los ocho años del gobierno Zema, mirar atrás y decir que tuvimos ocho años de gobierno Zema, cuando tuvimos cuatro años de gobierno Bolsonaro, cuatro años de gobierno Lula.",6768.12,6777.74,{"idx":7976,"utterance_id":7977,"speaker_name":174,"text":7978,"start_s":7979,"end_s":7980,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1310,"158378","Tuvimos una guerra y dos guerras en medio del camino.",6778.38,6781.3,{"idx":7982,"utterance_id":7983,"speaker_name":174,"text":7984,"start_s":7985,"end_s":7986,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1311,"158379","Entonces, así, tienes una serie de cuestiones internacionales y nacionales que impactan en el...",6781.94,6788.54,{"idx":7988,"utterance_id":7989,"speaker_name":174,"text":7990,"start_s":7991,"end_s":7992,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1312,"158380","en el contexto.",6788.66,6789.42,{"idx":7994,"utterance_id":7995,"speaker_name":174,"text":7996,"start_s":7997,"end_s":7998,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1313,"158381","Bueno, tenemos una manifestación en nuestro YouTube, Bernardo, en nuestra transmisión por el canal de YouTube, comentó.",6789.88,6796.32,{"idx":8000,"utterance_id":8001,"speaker_name":174,"text":8002,"start_s":8003,"end_s":8004,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1314,"158382","Esta ausencia de candidatos representa, esencialmente, un total irrespeto al elector.",6796.4,6802.2,{"idx":8006,"utterance_id":8007,"speaker_name":174,"text":8008,"start_s":8009,"end_s":8010,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},1315,"158383","No tienen coraje para lidiar con lo contradictorio y apenas representan ser aquello que no son en sus redes sociales.",6802.58,6809.22,{"idx":8012,"utterance_id":8013,"speaker_name":174,"text":8014,"start_s":8015,"end_s":8016,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1316,"158384","Esta ausencia de candidatos representa ahí un irrespeto.",6809.92,6814.36,{"idx":8018,"utterance_id":8019,"speaker_name":174,"text":8020,"start_s":8021,"end_s":8022,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1317,"158385","No tienen coraje para lidiar con lo contradictorio.",6814.6,6817.2,{"idx":8024,"utterance_id":8025,"speaker_name":174,"text":8026,"start_s":8027,"end_s":8028,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1318,"158386","y se queda solo hablando en internet, está ahí entonces también el desagrado.",6817.62,6823.14,{"idx":8030,"utterance_id":8031,"speaker_name":174,"text":8032,"start_s":8033,"end_s":8034,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1319,"158387","de nuestros suscriptores del canal de YouTube.",6824,6827.68,{"idx":8036,"utterance_id":8037,"speaker_name":174,"text":8038,"start_s":8039,"end_s":8040,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1320,"158388","Quiero agradecer la presencia de Orião Teixeira.",6828.1,6829.86,{"idx":8042,"utterance_id":8043,"speaker_name":174,"text":8044,"start_s":8045,"end_s":8046,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1321,"158389","Orião, muchas gracias, eh, por traer ahí a esta conversación más información, más contrapunto, más reflexión.",6829.9,6838.14,{"idx":8048,"utterance_id":8049,"speaker_name":174,"text":8050,"start_s":8051,"end_s":8052,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1322,"158390","Quien agradece soy yo, fue un placer estar aquí con ustedes.",6838.38,6840.56,{"idx":8054,"utterance_id":8055,"speaker_name":174,"text":8056,"start_s":8057,"end_s":8058,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1323,"158391","Guilherme Jorgue do Fator, muchas gracias, eh, Gui, por participar con nosotros, aceptaste la llamada, te sacaste el traje del armario.",6840.96,6847.72,{"idx":8060,"utterance_id":8061,"speaker_name":174,"text":6594,"start_s":8062,"end_s":8063,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1324,"158392",6847.86,6848.42,{"idx":8065,"utterance_id":8066,"speaker_name":174,"text":8067,"start_s":8068,"end_s":8069,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},1325,"158393","Y que agradezco la invitación, quiero mandar un abrazo personal desde casa y siempre que ustedes necesiten, estamos aquí a disposición.",6848.76,6854.24,{"idx":8071,"utterance_id":8072,"speaker_name":174,"text":8073,"start_s":8074,"end_s":8075,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1326,"158394","Muy bien.",6854.72,6855.18,{"idx":8077,"utterance_id":8078,"speaker_name":174,"text":8079,"start_s":8080,"end_s":8081,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1327,"158395","Y Ana Karenina, también del Diário do Comércio.",6855.2,6857.66,{"idx":8083,"utterance_id":8084,"speaker_name":174,"text":8085,"start_s":8086,"end_s":8087,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1328,"158396","Gracias, Ana.",6857.68,6858.54,{"idx":8089,"utterance_id":8090,"speaker_name":174,"text":8091,"start_s":8092,"end_s":8093,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},1329,"158397","Agradezco la oportunidad, agradezco a los colegas aquí, agradezco a la gente en casa que está ahí hasta ahora.",6858.62,6864.84,{"idx":8095,"utterance_id":8096,"speaker_name":174,"text":8097,"start_s":8098,"end_s":8099,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1330,"158398","Y creo que trajimos temas 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