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impresionaba a la gente y yo tenía que responder.",247.44,249.86,{"idx":542,"utterance_id":543,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":544,"start_s":545,"end_s":546,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},61,"66724","Y ese sueño de ser científica astrofísica me acompañó hasta la universidad.",250.48,254.22,{"idx":548,"utterance_id":549,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":550,"start_s":551,"end_s":552,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},62,"66725","Y fue sólo cuando perdí a mi padre, de la manera en que lo perdí.",254.84,257.6,{"idx":554,"utterance_id":555,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":556,"start_s":557,"end_s":558,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},63,"66726","Que, por un lado, abandoné ese 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Si uno no tiene mucha claridad sobre por qué vamos a levantarnos, por qué vamos a intentar, por qué no vamos a desistir, no lo conseguimos, nos rompemos, nos quedamos a mitad de camino.",408.7,420.82,{"idx":713,"utterance_id":714,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":715,"start_s":716,"end_s":717,"word_count":357,"indexable":182},89,"66752","Entonces, creo que fue un error de algunas personas mirar hacia mí y decir 'ah, bonita, niñita, debe no estar acostumbrada al golpe que es la política'.",421.5,430.88,{"idx":719,"utterance_id":720,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":721,"start_s":722,"end_s":723,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},90,"66753","Y creo que yo me di vuelta y dije, ustedes no entendieron nada.",431.4,433.36,{"idx":725,"utterance_id":726,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":727,"start_s":728,"end_s":729,"word_count":228,"indexable":182},91,"66754","Soy así porque vengo de un lugar mucho más duro, incluso, que 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discursos.",488.22,491.36,{"idx":827,"utterance_id":828,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":829,"start_s":830,"end_s":831,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},108,"66771","No soy una persona movida por el poder, por la influencia, por el dinero.",492.44,496.98,{"idx":833,"utterance_id":834,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":835,"start_s":836,"end_s":837,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},109,"66772","Y digo esto mucho por las decisiones profesionales que tomé antes de la política.",497.46,500.54,{"idx":839,"utterance_id":840,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":841,"start_s":842,"end_s":843,"word_count":269,"indexable":182},110,"66773","Soy una persona más tímida, me gusta el trabajo duro, que no siempre está a la vista.",500.94,505.46,{"idx":845,"utterance_id":846,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":847,"start_s":848,"end_s":849,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},111,"66774","Pero entendí que es aquí donde voy a poder hacer las cosas.",506.12,509.06,{"idx":851,"utterance_id":852,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":853,"start_s":854,"end_s":855,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},112,"66775","Entonces, es solo porque realmente tengo muchos sueños.",509.14,512.26,{"idx":857,"utterance_id":858,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":859,"start_s":860,"end_s":861,"word_count":191,"indexable":182},113,"66776","Muchos sueños.",512.68,513.36,{"idx":863,"utterance_id":864,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":865,"start_s":866,"end_s":867,"word_count":324,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":314,"target_proposition":315,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":868,"rationale":869,"indexable":432},114,"66777","para las niñas de este país, muchos sueños para los niños de este país, muchos sueños para la educación de este país, muchos sueños para este Brasil.",514.04,522.26,0.85,"Afirma tener muchos sueños para la educación y se indigna por la falta de avances.",{"idx":871,"utterance_id":872,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":873,"start_s":874,"end_s":875,"word_count":286,"indexable":182},115,"66778","Creo que podemos y merecemos mucho más, y me indigna que eso no esté ocurriendo.",522.56,527.96,{"idx":877,"utterance_id":878,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":879,"start_s":880,"end_s":881,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},116,"66779","¿Yo sola voy a cambiar eso?",528.46,529.66,{"idx":883,"utterance_id":884,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":885,"start_s":886,"end_s":887,"word_count":191,"indexable":182},117,"66780","No lo voy a hacer.",529.72,530.02,{"idx":889,"utterance_id":890,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":891,"start_s":892,"end_s":893,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},118,"66781","Pero no me voy a quedar en casa parada.",530.7,532.3,{"idx":895,"utterance_id":896,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":897,"start_s":898,"end_s":899,"word_count":269,"topic_slug":900,"topic_label":901,"target_id":902,"target_proposition":903,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":904,"rationale":905,"indexable":432},119,"66782","Y si es posible, arrastraré a un grupo conmigo, que es lo que he estado haciendo.",532.96,535.98,"governanca-e-participacao","Gobernanza y participación","c9e96bd2-19a3-4d76-ba01-1b41c2336515","movilizar a la sociedad para promover cambios políticos",0.84,"dice que no se quedará parada y que arrastrará a la gente a actuar políticamente.",{"idx":907,"utterance_id":908,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":909,"start_s":910,"end_s":911,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},120,"66783","Entonces, lo que me mueve es tener sueños.",536.54,538.2,{"idx":913,"utterance_id":914,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":915,"start_s":916,"end_s":917,"word_count":43,"indexable":182},121,"66784","Mientras... si tengo fuerzas y Dios me las da, mientras aguante los golpes, estaré aquí, porque no voy a dejar de soñar; eso soy.",538.72,545.24,{"idx":919,"utterance_id":920,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":921,"start_s":922,"end_s":923,"word_count":269,"indexable":182},122,"66785","La persona que vamos a escuchar ahora es una mujer a la que admiro mucho.",545.5,549.3,{"idx":925,"utterance_id":926,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":927,"start_s":928,"end_s":929,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":930,"topic_label":87,"target_id":931,"target_proposition":932,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":933,"indexable":432},123,"66786","Ella lo sabe y mucha gente también lo sabe, tanto que anteriormente fui la primera persona en iniciar esa gran campaña para traerla al PSV.",550.82,560.54,"filiacao-partidaria","08a2a0c3-6383-48f3-a943-8599f32be33f","atraer y afiliar liderazgos al partido político","reivindica haber liderado la campaña para traer a Simone al partido (acción política concreta).",{"idx":935,"utterance_id":936,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":937,"start_s":938,"end_s":939,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},124,"66787","Y a invitarla, de hecho.",561.42,562.62,{"idx":941,"utterance_id":942,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":943,"start_s":944,"end_s":945,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},125,"66788","Y esa persona es Simone Tebet.",562.9,564.74,{"idx":947,"utterance_id":948,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":949,"start_s":950,"end_s":951,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},126,"66789","Estoy de acuerdo con muchas de sus posturas.",565.1,567.58,{"idx":953,"utterance_id":954,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":955,"start_s":956,"end_s":957,"word_count":302,"indexable":182},127,"66790","Tengo mucho cariño, respeto y admiración por su trayectoria, pero creo que lo que más genera esa identificación es la manera en que se presenta al mundo.",568.12,578.4,{"idx":959,"utterance_id":960,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":961,"start_s":962,"end_s":963,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},128,"66791","Ser mujer en la política no es fácil, no es una broma.",579,581.68,{"idx":965,"utterance_id":966,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":967,"start_s":968,"end_s":969,"word_count":280,"indexable":182},129,"66792","Y creo que muchas mujeres se ponen esas vestiduras y hacen esos papeles para aguantar la carga, ¿sabes?",582.4,591.46,{"idx":971,"utterance_id":972,"speaker_name":973,"text":974,"start_s":975,"end_s":976,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},130,"66793","Desconhecido","Y siento que ella es quien es.",592.06,593.54,{"idx":978,"utterance_id":979,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":980,"start_s":981,"end_s":982,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},131,"66794","Es una persona dulce, pero que también sabe ser firme.",594.34,597.1,{"idx":984,"utterance_id":985,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":986,"start_s":987,"end_s":988,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},132,"66795","Alguien que, como yo, es nerd, es CDF de verdad.",597.46,600.06,{"idx":990,"utterance_id":991,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":992,"start_s":993,"end_s":994,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},133,"66796","Súper preparada, se preocupa por estudiar las cosas.",600.7,604.56,{"idx":996,"utterance_id":997,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":998,"start_s":999,"end_s":1000,"word_count":228,"indexable":182},134,"66797","Y creo que esa autenticidad que ella aporta a la política hace mucha falta.",605.28,613.1,{"idx":1002,"utterance_id":1003,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1004,"start_s":1005,"end_s":1006,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},135,"66798","Y saber que ella sueña grandes sueños para Brasil, ¿sabes?",613.74,617.36,{"idx":62,"utterance_id":1008,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1009,"start_s":1010,"end_s":1011,"word_count":27,"indexable":182},"66799","Que, a pesar de llevar muchos más años que yo en la política y de venir también de una familia política, para ella la política sigue siendo un lugar para realizar sueños colectivos.",617.96,628.06,{"idx":1013,"utterance_id":1014,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1015,"start_s":1016,"end_s":1017,"word_count":60,"indexable":182},137,"66800","Y tanta gente se ha olvidado de eso, o nunca lo ha pensado, que creo que necesitamos escuchar más a esta mujer.",628.66,634.16,{"idx":1019,"utterance_id":1020,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1021,"start_s":1022,"end_s":1023,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},138,"66801","Entonces, con ustedes, Simone Tebet.",634.38,636.52,{"idx":1025,"utterance_id":1026,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1027,"start_s":1028,"end_s":1029,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},139,"66802","Querida ministra Simone Tebet, muchas gracias por aceptar nuestra invitación.",637.04,641.08,{"idx":1031,"utterance_id":1032,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1033,"start_s":1034,"end_s":1035,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},140,"66803","Para mí es un honor estar conversando contigo.",641.52,643.32,{"idx":1037,"utterance_id":1038,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1039,"start_s":1040,"end_s":1041,"word_count":302,"indexable":182},141,"66804","Sabes de mi admiración, de todo mi respeto, de cuánto me inspiras, y sin duda inspiras a mucha gente en nuestro Brasil.",643.52,652.96,{"idx":1043,"utterance_id":1044,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1045,"start_s":1046,"end_s":1047,"word_count":21,"indexable":182},142,"66805","Y antes de que podamos hablar sobre el sueño en la política, si eso es posible, me gustaría mucho que la gente pudiera conocerte más.",653.58,660.72,{"idx":51,"utterance_id":1049,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1050,"start_s":1051,"end_s":1052,"word_count":440,"indexable":182},"66806","Así que antes de hablar de la senadora, de la ministra, de alguien que ya fue candidata a la presidencia de la República, quería escucharte sobre quién es Simone Tebet, qué veías en tu casa que... en fin, te convirtió en la persona que eres hoy.",661.14,677.24,{"idx":1054,"utterance_id":1055,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1058,"start_s":1059,"end_s":1060,"word_count":198,"indexable":182},144,"66807","Simone Tebet","simone-tebet","Primero, gracias, Tabata.",677.42,678.56,{"idx":1062,"utterance_id":1063,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1064,"start_s":1065,"end_s":1066,"word_count":228,"indexable":182},145,"66808","Es un honor poder trabajar aquí, estar contigo en este podcast, conversando con la gente.",678.76,683.88,{"idx":1068,"utterance_id":1069,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1070,"start_s":1071,"end_s":1072,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},146,"66809","Es un tema que, para mí, es tan agradable como necesario.",684.6,688.84,{"idx":1074,"utterance_id":1075,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1076,"start_s":1077,"end_s":1078,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},147,"66810","Sin sueños, no tenemos esperanza, no tenemos futuro.",689.18,692.5,{"idx":1080,"utterance_id":1081,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1082,"start_s":1083,"end_s":1084,"word_count":324,"indexable":182},148,"66811","Y es muy bueno hablar de nosotros, porque la gente imagina, como brasileños y brasileñas, que soy hija del interior más profundo de Brasil.",694.22,701.18,{"idx":1086,"utterance_id":1087,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1088,"start_s":1089,"end_s":1090,"word_count":269,"indexable":182},149,"66812","Así que soy esa chica que vivió, en su adolescencia, la época de 'Diretas Já'.",702.02,709.48,{"idx":1092,"utterance_id":1093,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1094,"start_s":1095,"end_s":1096,"word_count":378,"indexable":182},150,"66813","Me costó mucho entender por qué mi casa, a pesar de ser una casa política; desde que tenía cinco años mi padre se volvió alcalde de mi ciudad natal y no paró.",710.92,721.1,{"idx":1098,"utterance_id":1099,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1100,"start_s":1101,"end_s":1102,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},151,"66814","Así que mi infancia fue muy silenciosa, pero al mismo tiempo politizada.",721.82,727.86,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":1104,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1105,"start_s":1106,"end_s":1107,"word_count":49,"indexable":182},"66815","Entonces, muy joven, con una madre muy exigente —tienes que estudiar, tienes que estudiar— aprobé el examen de ingreso (vestibular) a los 16 años en Río de Janeiro.",728.44,736.68,{"idx":1109,"utterance_id":1110,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1111,"start_s":1112,"end_s":1113,"word_count":60,"indexable":182},153,"66816","Imagínate, salir del interior de Mato Grosso do Sul e ir a Río de Janeiro en la época en que no había internet.",736.76,741.56,{"idx":1115,"utterance_id":1116,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1117,"start_s":1118,"end_s":1119,"word_count":27,"indexable":182},154,"66817","Pertenezco a una generación en la que, en mi adolescencia —no digo 50%, pero sí más del 40%— de la población brasileña era considerada de bajos ingresos, entre los miserables y la clase realmente más pobre.",741.8,755.4,{"idx":1121,"utterance_id":1122,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1123,"start_s":1124,"end_s":1125,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},155,"66818","Así que vi toda esa evolución de Brasil.",755.62,758.66,{"idx":1127,"utterance_id":1128,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1129,"start_s":1130,"end_s":1131,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},156,"66819","Y mi sueño era ser abogada, como mi padre.",759.22,762.52,{"idx":1133,"utterance_id":1134,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1135,"start_s":1136,"end_s":1137,"word_count":641,"indexable":182},157,"66820","El destino me llevó al aula; muy joven, mi padre dijo: 'necesito un sustituto, de vez en cuando no puedo ir, tú me reemplazarás en las clases'. A los 22 años estaba en las universidades, y al poco tiempo fui contratada por las universidades, porque creo que es mi verdadera vocación, o al menos eso creo, porque a los alumnos les gustaba mucho y di clase 12 años en las universidades, ¿exactamente de qué?",763.54,785.82,{"idx":1139,"utterance_id":1140,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1141,"start_s":1142,"end_s":1143,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},158,"66821","De derecho administrativo, de cómo se administra una ciudad, fue ahí, eso.",786.22,789.7,{"idx":1145,"utterance_id":1146,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1147,"start_s":1148,"end_s":1149,"word_count":419,"indexable":182},159,"66822","Que mi padre, que nunca me impulsó a entrar en la política, él estimulaba que yo fuera un ser político, militante, pero no a tener un mandato; él decía: mira, todo el mundo dice que tienes que ser candidata.",790.64,801.9,{"idx":1151,"utterance_id":1152,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1153,"start_s":1154,"end_s":1155,"word_count":357,"indexable":182},160,"66823","Y yo, por miedo, por inseguridad, era una persona relativamente tímida, decía: no, esto no es para mí, me gusta ese trasfondo, no quiero el foco de atención.",802.5,810.5,{"idx":1157,"utterance_id":1158,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1159,"start_s":1160,"end_s":1161,"word_count":324,"indexable":182},161,"66824","Me demoré cuatro años hasta el momento en que no pude decirle que no más a mi padre, dije: voy a hacer una prueba.",810.9,815.54,{"idx":1163,"utterance_id":1164,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1165,"start_s":1166,"end_s":1167,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},162,"66825","Y la prueba ya tiene veintitantos años.",816.08,818.14,{"idx":1169,"utterance_id":1170,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1171,"start_s":1172,"end_s":1173,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},163,"66826","Todavía me sigo poniendo a prueba, ¿no?",820.92,823.26,{"idx":1175,"utterance_id":1176,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1177,"start_s":1178,"end_s":1179,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},164,"66827","Y son las urnas las que deciden nuestro destino, ¿no, Tava?",823.46,826.56,{"idx":1181,"utterance_id":1182,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1183,"start_s":1184,"end_s":1185,"word_count":228,"indexable":182},165,"66828","Siempre bromeo: si es la voluntad de Dios y del pueblo, estaré lista.",826.74,830.76,{"idx":1187,"utterance_id":1188,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1189,"start_s":1190,"end_s":1191,"word_count":280,"indexable":182},166,"66829","Y estoy segura de que la prueba está resultando muy bien y que tu padre está muy orgulloso.",831.5,835.3,{"idx":1193,"utterance_id":1194,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1195,"start_s":1196,"end_s":1197,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},167,"66830","Quería escucharte sobre esa trayectoria.",836.04,838.72,{"idx":1199,"utterance_id":1200,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1201,"start_s":1202,"end_s":1203,"word_count":49,"indexable":182},168,"66831","Creo que todos nosotros que miramos al mundo tal como es, que logramos ver toda esta desigualdad en Brasil, somos políticos.",839.2,847.1,{"idx":1205,"utterance_id":1206,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1207,"start_s":1208,"end_s":1209,"word_count":196,"indexable":182},169,"66832","independientemente de tener un mandato, independientemente del partido, porque posicionarse, incomodarse, intentar hacer algo para cambiar esa realidad, es política.",847.74,856.1,{"idx":1211,"utterance_id":1212,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1213,"start_s":1214,"end_s":1215,"word_count":228,"indexable":182},170,"66833","Pero creo que el mayor honor fue haber sido alcaldesa, porque también la mayor responsabilidad.",856.34,861.44,{"idx":1217,"utterance_id":1218,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1219,"start_s":1220,"end_s":1221,"word_count":725,"topic_slug":1222,"topic_label":1223,"target_id":1224,"target_proposition":1225,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":566,"rationale":1226,"indexable":432},171,"66834","Y el momento para mí que es más valioso, que toca mi corazón, que me llena de alegría, que en los momentos difíciles, cuando digo 'quiero parar, esto ya no da más', la carga es muy pesada, aún más en este mundo de redes sociales, siempre fue entregar la llave de la vivienda propia a una mujer con muchos hijos que no tenía dónde vivir y que tenía que tomar siempre la dura y triste decisión entre pagar el alquiler o tener dinero hasta fin de mes para poner comida en la mesa.",861.96,893.84,"politica-de-habitacao","Política de vivienda","a18c3159-2d86-4f20-b3a4-32d492415f3c","promover vivienda de interés social y revitalización de espacios públicos en el centro","elogia la entrega de la llave de la vivienda propia como acto de gestión municipal (defensa de la política).",{"idx":1228,"utterance_id":1229,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1230,"start_s":1231,"end_s":1232,"word_count":171,"indexable":182},172,"66835","Así que eso de lo perenne, es permanente, nadie me lo quita; si me entero de algún tipo de violencia, busco al marido de la casa, al compañero de la casa, porque mis hijos no van a dormir bajo un puente.",894.26,905.86,{"idx":1234,"utterance_id":1235,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1236,"start_s":1237,"end_s":1238,"word_count":269,"indexable":182},173,"66836","Claro que hay muchos momentos maravillosos, pero este en especial toca mucho mi corazón.",906.86,911.56,{"idx":1240,"utterance_id":1241,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1242,"start_s":1243,"end_s":1244,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},174,"66837","Sé bien lo que tener una casa propia significa para nosotros.",912.4,916.08,{"idx":1246,"utterance_id":1247,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1248,"start_s":1249,"end_s":1250,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":1222,"topic_label":1223,"target_id":1251,"target_proposition":1252,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":1253,"rationale":1254,"indexable":432},175,"66838","Aún estoy en la lucha para legalizar la casa de mi familia, porque el poder público parece crear todo tipo de barreras para que no demos vivienda digna a las personas, el título de propiedad.",916.46,927.2,"52aa3515-0718-4944-90a4-cc611618fc05","regularizar la vivienda y conceder títulos de propiedad",0.86,"declara estar en la lucha para legalizar la casa de la familia y critica barreras públicas.",{"idx":1256,"utterance_id":1257,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1258,"start_s":1259,"end_s":1260,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},176,"66839","Pero imagina tu felicidad al ver eso.",927.76,929.94,{"idx":1262,"utterance_id":1263,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1264,"start_s":1265,"end_s":1266,"word_count":476,"indexable":182},177,"66840","Y bueno, ya estoy aquí desordenando todo el guion, pero quería escucharte: cuando entraste en la política, ¿cuál era el sueño que te movía y qué visión llevabas, y cuánto la experiencia fue cambiando o perfeccionando esa visión y esos sueños también?",930.48,949.88,{"idx":1268,"utterance_id":1269,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1270,"start_s":1271,"end_s":1272,"word_count":9,"indexable":182},178,"66841","Mi padre era un ser político y hablaba con mucha pasión, hablaba con las manos, convencía mucho con fondos y con la palabra.",950.08,957.64,{"idx":1274,"utterance_id":1275,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1276,"start_s":1277,"end_s":1278,"word_count":292,"indexable":182},179,"66842","Así, ver a mi padre hablar de sueños, de igualdad, de realizar el sueño de la gente, me hacía cuestionarme mucho.",958.26,966.48,{"idx":1280,"utterance_id":1281,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1282,"start_s":1283,"end_s":1284,"word_count":204,"indexable":182},180,"66843","todo tipo de miseria.",968.5,969.74,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1286,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1287,"start_s":1288,"end_s":1289,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},"66844","Comencé mi educación en una escuela pública.",970.1,974.58,{"idx":1291,"utterance_id":1292,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1293,"start_s":1294,"end_s":1295,"word_count":351,"indexable":182},182,"66845","Y entonces, un día, mi padre me invitó... Debía tener siete años, algo así, porque después, con ocho años, ya no era alcalde.",975.24,983.04,{"idx":1297,"utterance_id":1298,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1299,"start_s":1300,"end_s":1301,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},183,"66846","Entonces tenía entre seis y siete años para ir a un barrio muy lejano.",983.1,986.22,{"idx":1303,"utterance_id":1304,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1305,"start_s":1306,"end_s":1307,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},184,"66847","Y estaba muy oscuro, fuimos en coche, parecía que nunca llegábamos.",986.3,989.06,{"idx":1309,"utterance_id":1310,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1311,"start_s":1312,"end_s":1313,"word_count":302,"indexable":182},185,"66848","Y llegué a ese barrio, al barrio Guanabara, en mi ciudad, y allí todo estaba agrupado alrededor de un poste de madera, en medio de la oscuridad.",989.44,998.6,{"idx":1315,"utterance_id":1316,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1317,"start_s":1318,"end_s":1319,"word_count":286,"indexable":182},186,"66849","y no entendía nada, hicieron una cuenta regresiva y de la oscuridad surgió la luz.",999.18,1003.4,{"idx":1321,"utterance_id":1322,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1323,"start_s":1324,"end_s":1325,"word_count":60,"indexable":182},187,"66850","Y allí había dos, tres niños, además de otros niños y todos jugando, que reconocí como de mi escuela.",1004.08,1010.4,{"idx":1327,"utterance_id":1328,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1329,"start_s":1330,"end_s":1331,"word_count":198,"indexable":182},188,"66851","Escuela Afonso Pena.",1011.16,1012.26,{"idx":1333,"utterance_id":1334,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1335,"start_s":1336,"end_s":1337,"word_count":204,"indexable":182},189,"66852","Era muy distante, de hecho.",1012.32,1013.78,{"idx":1339,"utterance_id":1340,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1341,"start_s":1342,"end_s":1343,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},190,"66853","Y allí me dio ese impulso inicial.",1014.36,1016.02,{"idx":1345,"utterance_id":1346,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1347,"start_s":1348,"end_s":1349,"word_count":357,"indexable":182},191,"66854","Mientras yo tenía nevera en mi casa, electricidad, había niños de mi escuela que aún estudiaban a la luz de velas o no tenían energía en su casa.",1016.28,1024.36,{"idx":1351,"utterance_id":1352,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1353,"start_s":1354,"end_s":1355,"word_count":292,"indexable":182},192,"66855","Y siempre fui muy estimulada por mi madre, que es católica, muy cristiana, por esa cuestión de la desigualdad.",1025.8,1030.74,{"idx":1357,"utterance_id":1358,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1359,"start_s":1360,"end_s":1361,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},193,"66856","Así que lo que me mueve es... La injusticia me incomoda mucho.",1030.8,1037.04,{"idx":1363,"utterance_id":1364,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1365,"start_s":1366,"end_s":1367,"word_count":204,"indexable":182},194,"66857","Todo tipo de injusticia.",1037.16,1038.32,{"idx":1369,"utterance_id":1370,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1371,"start_s":1372,"end_s":1373,"word_count":191,"indexable":182},195,"66858","por eso.",1039.06,1039.38,{"idx":1375,"utterance_id":1376,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1377,"start_s":1378,"end_s":1379,"word_count":204,"indexable":182},196,"66859","Cualquier tipo de injusticia.",1039.54,1040.9,{"idx":1381,"utterance_id":1382,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1383,"start_s":1384,"end_s":1385,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},197,"66860","La injusticia de una agresión verbal de alguien que habla de otro.",1041.38,1044.72,{"idx":1387,"utterance_id":1388,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1389,"start_s":1390,"end_s":1391,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},198,"66861","La injusticia de que yo tenga tanto y tanta gente tenga tan poco.",1045.36,1048.66,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1393,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1394,"start_s":1395,"end_s":1396,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},"66862","Y no estoy hablando de igualdad absoluta.",1048.96,1050.6,{"idx":1398,"utterance_id":1399,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1400,"start_s":1401,"end_s":1402,"word_count":198,"indexable":182},200,"66863","Eso no existe.",1050.68,1051.28,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1404,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1405,"start_s":1406,"end_s":1407,"word_count":198,"indexable":182},"66864","Eso es utopía.",1051.32,1052.04,{"idx":1409,"utterance_id":1410,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1411,"start_s":1412,"end_s":1413,"word_count":198,"indexable":182},202,"66865","Ojalá fuera posible.",1052.34,1053.78,{"idx":1415,"utterance_id":1416,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1417,"start_s":1418,"end_s":1419,"word_count":286,"topic_slug":1420,"topic_label":1421,"target_id":1422,"target_proposition":1423,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":1424,"rationale":1425,"indexable":432},203,"66866","Pero estoy hablando de los sueños de un país menos desigual, donde al menos todo tenga lo básico.",1054.18,1059.26,"desigualdade-socioeconomica","Desigualdad Socioeconómica","236617d4-cf7d-46e2-944b-491d018db02c","reducir la desigualdad socioeconómica",0.87,"afirma querer un país menos desigual y garantizar dignidad a las personas.",{"idx":1427,"utterance_id":1428,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1429,"start_s":1430,"end_s":1431,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},204,"66867","Entonces eso es lo que me mueve.",1059.58,1060.64,{"idx":1433,"utterance_id":1434,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1435,"start_s":1436,"end_s":1437,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},205,"66868","Es garantizar dignidad a las personas.",1061.16,1062.94,{"idx":1439,"utterance_id":1440,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1441,"start_s":1442,"end_s":1443,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},206,"66869","Creo que es muy fácil decir que eres cristiana.",1063.32,1065.4,{"idx":1445,"utterance_id":1446,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1447,"start_s":1448,"end_s":1449,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},207,"66870","que digas que eres evangélica, que eres católica o que profesas alguna religión.",1065.86,1069.68,{"idx":1451,"utterance_id":1452,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1453,"start_s":1454,"end_s":1455,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},208,"66871","Vas, te arrodillas, le pides a Dios, rezas, ¿no?",1069.82,1072.18,{"idx":1457,"utterance_id":1458,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1459,"start_s":1460,"end_s":1461,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},209,"66872","Luego sales de la iglesia... y haces todo lo contrario de lo que predicas.",1072.52,1077.84,{"idx":1463,"utterance_id":1464,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1465,"start_s":1466,"end_s":1467,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},210,"66873","Y me quedo cuestionando eso, ¿no?",1078.18,1079.88,{"idx":1469,"utterance_id":1470,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1471,"start_s":1472,"end_s":1473,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},211,"66874","En el trato, en la manera de actuar.",1080.92,1082.46,{"idx":1475,"utterance_id":1476,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1477,"start_s":1478,"end_s":1479,"word_count":228,"topic_slug":1420,"topic_label":1421,"target_id":1422,"target_proposition":1423,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":1480,"rationale":1481,"indexable":432},212,"66875","Entonces, creo que lo que me mueve es combatir las injusticias y reducir la desigualdad social.",1082.86,1087.4,0.95,"declara que actúa para combatir injusticias y reducir la desigualdad.",{"idx":1483,"utterance_id":1484,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1485,"start_s":1486,"end_s":1487,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},213,"66876","¿Y mi sueño?",1087.48,1088.32,{"idx":1489,"utterance_id":1490,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1491,"start_s":1492,"end_s":1493,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},214,"66877","Y entonces dices, ¿y en medio del camino?",1088.86,1090.98,{"idx":1495,"utterance_id":1496,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1497,"start_s":1498,"end_s":1499,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},215,"66878","En medio del camino vienen todas las frustraciones, Tabata.",1091.12,1093.58,{"idx":1501,"utterance_id":1502,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1503,"start_s":1504,"end_s":1505,"word_count":228,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1506,"target_proposition":1507,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":566,"rationale":1508,"indexable":432},216,"66879","La frustración de ver a una clase política perdida, la frustración de ver que los bienintencionados, ¿no?",1093.96,1099.7,"0913458c-83f6-4707-8c9e-4bb90765a6e0","combatir la corrupción en el gobierno federal","critica a los 'maus intencionados' que desmoralizan la política.",{"idx":1510,"utterance_id":1511,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1512,"start_s":1513,"end_s":1514,"word_count":458,"indexable":182},217,"66880","primero, los malintencionados desmoralizando la política, la buena política, apartando al joven de la política, los buenos teniendo dificultad para ascender, porque es muy difícil, hay un dicho que uso mucho: la mentira sube en ascensor, pero la verdad sube por la escalera.",1100.44,1118.72,{"idx":1516,"utterance_id":1517,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1518,"start_s":1519,"end_s":1520,"word_count":21,"indexable":182},218,"66881","Entonces, tú, a través de narrativas... Sí, entonces desconstruyes, desestimulas, y así siempre tienes una clase política que no atiende los intereses.",1119.08,1128.88,{"idx":1522,"utterance_id":1523,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1524,"start_s":1525,"end_s":1526,"word_count":413,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1506,"target_proposition":1507,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":1527,"rationale":1528,"indexable":432},219,"66882","Entonces, como dijiste lo de la burocracia de la casa de tu madre, la burocracia me molesta, la indiferencia de parte de la clase política, todo tipo de corrupción me incomoda, porque es un dinero que falta en el centro de salud.",1129.28,1142.5,0.92,"critica 'toda sorte de corrupção' que retira recursos del puesto de salud.",{"idx":1530,"utterance_id":1531,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1532,"start_s":1533,"end_s":1534,"word_count":286,"indexable":182},220,"66883","Ese tipo de injusticia me incomoda mucho y es lo que me mueve a pesar de todas las dificultades.",1142.82,1148.04,{"idx":1536,"utterance_id":1537,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1538,"start_s":1539,"end_s":1540,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},221,"66884","Voy a empezar a usar esa frase.",1148.32,1150.66,{"idx":1542,"utterance_id":1543,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1544,"start_s":1545,"end_s":1546,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},222,"66885","Grabamos... un episodio aquí en el podcast sobre redes sociales.",1150.72,1155.38,{"idx":1548,"utterance_id":1549,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1550,"start_s":1551,"end_s":1552,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},223,"66886","Y pude conversar con un adolescente y una adolescente.",1155.98,1159.38,{"idx":1554,"utterance_id":1555,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1556,"start_s":1557,"end_s":1558,"word_count":351,"indexable":182},224,"66887","Y quedó muy claro cuánto es más complejo ser adolescente hoy, cuánto es complejo concentrarse, estudiar, mantenerse motivado, no perderse, no dejarse guiar por las presiones.",1160.12,1172.26,{"idx":1560,"utterance_id":1561,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1562,"start_s":1563,"end_s":1564,"word_count":43,"indexable":182},225,"66888","Y ellos decían que la impresión que da es que la clase política, en su mayoría, no tiene la menor idea de los desafíos que los jóvenes están atravesando.",1172.92,1181.56,{"idx":1566,"utterance_id":1567,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1568,"start_s":1569,"end_s":1570,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},226,"66889","Y tampoco quiere escuchar.",1181.72,1182.44,{"idx":1572,"utterance_id":1573,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1574,"start_s":1575,"end_s":1576,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},227,"66890","Y tampoco quiere intentar solucionar.",1183.02,1184.4,{"idx":1578,"utterance_id":1579,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1580,"start_s":1581,"end_s":1582,"word_count":196,"indexable":182},228,"66891","Entonces, creo que tener esa relación de estoy aquí para escucharte, estamos aquí para hacer juntos, es fundamental.",1184.9,1192.42,{"idx":1584,"utterance_id":1585,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1586,"start_s":1587,"end_s":1588,"word_count":286,"indexable":182},229,"66892","Y en esa línea, mencionaste hoy ya dos veces ese mundo de internet, de las redes sociales.",1193.02,1199.36,{"idx":1590,"utterance_id":1591,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1592,"start_s":1593,"end_s":1594,"word_count":494,"topic_slug":1595,"topic_label":1596,"target_id":1597,"target_proposition":1598,"stance":316,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":1599,"indexable":432},230,"66893","Y no es toda la culpa, pero en mi lectura y en la opinión de quienes estudian mucho el tema, internet... explica gran parte de la división que estamos viendo, de la polarización, y también cuánto, cuando incentivas el odio, la rabia, la división, la mentira, parece que ganas más en política.",1200.82,1223.22,"comunicacoes","Comunicaciones","547f94e6-9bcf-4854-a340-465d891e29cb","reducir la polarización en las redes sociales","afirma que Internet explica parte de la división e incentiva el odio.",{"idx":1601,"utterance_id":1602,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1603,"start_s":1604,"end_s":1605,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},231,"66894","Vas más lejos, tienes más \"likes\", te vuelves viral, obtienes más votos.",1223.76,1227.26,{"idx":1607,"utterance_id":1608,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1609,"start_s":1610,"end_s":1611,"word_count":196,"topic_slug":1612,"topic_label":1613,"target_id":1614,"target_proposition":1615,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":1617,"indexable":432},232,"66895","Y voy a usar aquí una frase de nuestro querido vicepresidente, Geraldo Alckmin, que dice que se necesita tener mucho coraje.",1227.84,1235.14,"politica-cultural","Política cultural","4d26c215-2ef5-4093-bc81-709ac6b3de17","promover el diálogo y la mediación en la política",0.88,"defiende coraje para no apostar por la división y ejercer mediación.",{"idx":1619,"utterance_id":1620,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1621,"start_s":1622,"end_s":1623,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},233,"66896","para que no apuestes por la división.",1235.76,1237.42,{"idx":1625,"utterance_id":1626,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1627,"start_s":1628,"end_s":1629,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},234,"66897","Hace falta mucho coraje para defender la verdad.",1238.06,1240.58,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1631,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1632,"start_s":1633,"end_s":1634,"word_count":60,"indexable":182},"66898","Hay que tener mucho coraje para ser ponderado y desempeñar un papel de mediación, de decir: mira, vamos a encontrar una solución.",1241.06,1247.64,{"idx":1636,"utterance_id":1637,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1638,"start_s":1639,"end_s":1640,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},236,"66899","Veamos aquí qué es posible.",1248.32,1249.68,{"idx":1642,"utterance_id":1643,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1644,"start_s":1645,"end_s":1646,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},237,"66900","Y que entiendas ese coraje de forma consistente.",1250.2,1253.18,{"idx":1648,"utterance_id":1649,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1650,"start_s":1651,"end_s":1652,"word_count":215,"indexable":182},238,"66901","Fue así en la CPI (Comisión Parlamentaria de Investigación) de la Covid, fue así en tu campaña a la Presidencia de la República: no voy a hacer cualquier payasada aquí, no voy a dejar de ser quien soy.",1253.66,1264.58,{"idx":1654,"utterance_id":1655,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1656,"start_s":1657,"end_s":1658,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},239,"66902","porque eso puede traerme votos.",1265,1266.56,{"idx":1660,"utterance_id":1661,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1662,"start_s":1663,"end_s":1664,"word_count":302,"indexable":182},240,"66903","Entonces quería escucharte, en este tiempo de miedo por tanto radicalismo que estamos viendo, cómo mantenerse íntegro y cómo seguir apostando por esos valores.",1267.04,1280.4,{"idx":1666,"utterance_id":1667,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1668,"start_s":1669,"end_s":1670,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},241,"66904","y si crees que todavía hay espacio para esta manera de hacer política.",1281.08,1285.18,{"idx":1672,"utterance_id":1673,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1674,"start_s":1675,"end_s":1676,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},242,"66905","Es necesario persistir con coraje y con carácter.",1285.4,1288.9,{"idx":1678,"utterance_id":1679,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1680,"start_s":1681,"end_s":1682,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},243,"66906","Creo que es... tener coraje y tener carácter.",1289.96,1292.62,{"idx":1684,"utterance_id":1685,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1686,"start_s":1687,"end_s":1688,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},244,"66907","La historia muestra que no hay mal que dure toda la vida.",1294.16,1297.78,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1690,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1691,"start_s":1692,"end_s":1693,"word_count":269,"indexable":182},"66908","La historia es un ciclo, sales de un extremo, luego vas al centro.",1298.1,1302.14,{"idx":1695,"utterance_id":1696,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1697,"start_s":1698,"end_s":1699,"word_count":292,"topic_slug":1700,"topic_label":1701,"target_id":1702,"target_proposition":1703,"stance":316,"stance_confidence":1704,"rationale":1705,"indexable":182},246,"66909","Las encuestas hoy muestran, y cuando digo encuestas, no me refiero a cifras de quién va a ser elegido presidente de la república.",1302.82,1308.24,"pesquisa-de-opiniao","Encuesta de opinión","d56e06e4-ba2a-414b-8af7-a2891d01efa5","reducir la polarización política",0.7,"cita una pesquisa qualitativa que muestra cansancio con la polarización.",{"idx":1707,"utterance_id":1708,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1709,"start_s":1710,"end_s":1711,"word_count":653,"indexable":182},247,"66910","Cuando haces una investigación cualitativa con grupos, ¿quién es ese brasileño que vota hoy? El número de personas que ya están cansadas de esta polarización, de este discurso de odio, de las fake news, de narrativas que no suman, ya supera el 50%, aunque eso no defina una candidatura de centro; no es de eso que estamos hablando, estamos hablando del cansancio con este discurso de odio, y porque yo creo en Brasil, creo en el pueblo brasileño.",1308.3,1337.34,{"idx":1713,"utterance_id":1714,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1715,"start_s":1716,"end_s":1717,"word_count":171,"indexable":182},248,"66911","El pueblo brasileño es un pueblo temeroso de Dios, es un pueblo que cree en la palabra de la Biblia o en el Dios en el que cree, que sabe que quien tiene fe tiene en el corazón la solidaridad y el amor.",1337.88,1349.14,{"idx":1719,"utterance_id":1720,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1721,"start_s":1722,"end_s":1723,"word_count":506,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":32,"target_id":1724,"target_proposition":1725,"stance":316,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":1726,"indexable":432},249,"66912","Que temporalmente estamos en un brote, salimos de una pandemia, el mundo está así, estamos teniendo que enfrentar desafíos de inteligencia artificial que pueden quitar empleos, una desigualdad social absurda, una clase media empobrecida, que tiene que pagar muchos impuestos y que considera que no es justo que se esté empobreciendo.",1349.52,1368.22,"fcb42e7c-6686-417a-9b4c-e3a1549557e7","implementar políticas para preservar empleos y evitar quiebras de empresas","cita la IA que puede quitar empleos y la compresión de la clase media.",{"idx":1728,"utterance_id":1729,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1730,"start_s":1731,"end_s":1732,"word_count":60,"indexable":182},250,"66913","Entonces tenemos que entender que esas angustias de la población llevan a la población a buscar... Yo digo que es una fuga.",1368.38,1376.92,{"idx":1734,"utterance_id":1735,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1736,"start_s":1737,"end_s":1738,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":1739,"topic_label":1740,"target_id":1741,"target_proposition":1742,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":868,"rationale":1743,"indexable":432},251,"66914","Hoy las redes sociales monetizan ese lado negativo; tenemos que adaptarnos a los nuevos tiempos de las redes sociales, de la inteligencia artificial y de este medio loco que estamos viviendo.",1377.42,1386.76,"tecnologia-e-democracia","Tecnología y Democracia","4ff01c40-a14b-4b5e-9186-3ee2a39df27f","adaptar prácticas políticas a las redes sociales y a la inteligencia artificial","dice que las redes sociales y la IA han cambiado los tiempos y 'temos que nos adaptar'.",{"idx":1745,"utterance_id":1746,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1747,"start_s":1748,"end_s":1749,"word_count":292,"indexable":182},252,"66915","Pero ya viví el tiempo suficiente, la historia muestra que todo es un ciclo y que esto va a pasar.",1387.1,1391.34,{"idx":1751,"utterance_id":1752,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1753,"start_s":1754,"end_s":1755,"word_count":280,"indexable":182},253,"66916","Ahora, para que pase más rápido, hace falta alguien que tenga coraje para decir que no es por ahí.",1391.66,1395.56,{"idx":1757,"utterance_id":1758,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1759,"start_s":1760,"end_s":1761,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},254,"66917","Soy sólo una hormiguita en medio de este proceso.",1396.22,1399.46,{"idx":1763,"utterance_id":1764,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1765,"start_s":1766,"end_s":1767,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},255,"66918","Y está bien no ser comprendida.",1399.52,1401.06,{"idx":1769,"utterance_id":1770,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1771,"start_s":1772,"end_s":1773,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},256,"66919","De nuevo, el coraje... es para eso.",1401.36,1403.22,{"idx":1775,"utterance_id":1776,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1777,"start_s":1778,"end_s":1779,"word_count":407,"indexable":182},257,"66920","Está bien tener ahí haters, personas que te van a odiar por eso, personas que tienen su postura y que puede ser que yo sea minoría en este momento, pero tengo la convicción de que seré mayoría muy pronto.",1403.48,1415.38,{"idx":1781,"utterance_id":1782,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1783,"start_s":1784,"end_s":1785,"word_count":390,"topic_slug":1786,"topic_label":1787,"target_id":1788,"target_proposition":1789,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":566,"rationale":1790,"indexable":432},258,"66921","Tenemos que sumarnos en un batallón, en un frente amplio, para poder reconstruir la política brasileña sobre la base del consenso, del diálogo, de la divergencia, con racionalidad, con equilibrio y con educación por encima de todo.",1415.5,1429.98,"democracia-e-cultura-politica","Democracia y Cultura Política","61cc15f2-225e-489f-8397-26fa07816697","reconstruir la política brasileña con base en el diálogo y el consenso","propone 'uma frente ampla' para reconstruir la política con consenso y diálogo.",{"idx":1792,"utterance_id":1793,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1794,"start_s":1795,"end_s":1796,"word_count":302,"indexable":182},259,"66922","Vamos a hablar de cómo hacemos para... Para reconstruir este Brasil, creo que lo primero es... Estoy de acuerdo con todo lo que trajiste.",1430.08,1438.9,{"idx":1798,"utterance_id":1799,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1800,"start_s":1801,"end_s":1802,"word_count":476,"indexable":182},260,"66923","Estamos viviendo este momento de insanidad colectiva, guerra de bandos, en que lo que motiva el odio, lo que motiva el posicionamiento, lo que motiva el voto, muchas veces es la negación del otro, es el odio al otro, y no un deseo de construir un país mejor.",1438.98,1455.82,{"idx":1804,"utterance_id":1805,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1806,"start_s":1807,"end_s":1808,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},261,"66924","Un deseo genuino de resolver nuestros problemas.",1456.4,1458.72,{"idx":1810,"utterance_id":1811,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1812,"start_s":1813,"end_s":1814,"word_count":302,"indexable":182},262,"66925","Entonces, ¿cómo salimos de esta insanidad colectiva y decimos: no, volvamos a unirnos para poder trabajar en pro de algo positivo?",1458.96,1468.42,{"idx":1816,"utterance_id":1817,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1818,"start_s":1819,"end_s":1820,"word_count":198,"indexable":182},263,"66926","¿Eso es posible?",1468.96,1469.72,{"idx":1822,"utterance_id":1823,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":1824,"start_s":1825,"end_s":1826,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},264,"66927","¿Y cómo hacemos eso?",1469.84,1470.94,{"idx":1828,"utterance_id":1829,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1830,"start_s":1831,"end_s":1832,"word_count":292,"topic_slug":1786,"topic_label":1787,"target_id":1833,"target_proposition":1834,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":566,"rationale":1835,"indexable":432},265,"66928","Bueno, primero es necesario que la clase política, las personas de bien en la política, se reconecten con la calle.",1471.1,1476.42,"dc215bde-dfc9-4f46-9250-316e16ea4c81","reconectar a la clase política con la población","afirma que la clase política necesita 'se reconectar com a rua'.",{"idx":1837,"utterance_id":1838,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1839,"start_s":1840,"end_s":1841,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},266,"66929","Porque hoy hacemos política sólo por las redes sociales.",1477.12,1479.88,{"idx":1843,"utterance_id":1844,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1845,"start_s":1846,"end_s":1847,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},267,"66930","Y las redes sociales representan solo una fracción del electorado.",1480.32,1484.1,{"idx":1849,"utterance_id":1850,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1851,"start_s":1852,"end_s":1853,"word_count":15,"indexable":182},268,"66931","Y que muchas veces es una fracción, como dijimos, airada, angustiada, que la utiliza como válvula de escape, por no decir otra cosa, y descarga y desahoga todas sus frustraciones.",1484.68,1497.44,{"idx":1855,"utterance_id":1856,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1857,"start_s":1858,"end_s":1859,"word_count":470,"indexable":182},269,"66932","La mayor parte de la población brasileña se levanta de madrugada, toma transporte público, tarda dos horas en ir y dos en volver, para trabajar, para ganar una miseria, por ejemplo, un salario mínimo y medio, y sostener a su familia, y no tiene tanto tiempo para las redes sociales.",1497.84,1512.1,{"idx":1861,"utterance_id":1862,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1863,"start_s":1864,"end_s":1865,"word_count":357,"indexable":182},270,"66933","Entonces, Milton Nascimento tiene una canción, desde la época de las \"Diretas Já\", hay que ir donde está la gente, así que volver a la plaza pública es fundamental.",1512.46,1521.72,{"idx":1867,"utterance_id":1868,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1869,"start_s":1870,"end_s":1871,"word_count":217,"topic_slug":1786,"topic_label":1787,"target_id":1872,"target_proposition":1873,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":1874,"indexable":182},271,"66934","Segundo, escuchar más que hablar.",1522.14,1524.08,"259b804e-4dab-453d-a577-f1d11c699aa7","priorizar escuchar a los ciudadanos en la formulación de políticas","dice explícitamente 'ouvir mais do que falar' como principio político.",{"idx":1876,"utterance_id":1877,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1878,"start_s":1879,"end_s":1880,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},272,"66935","no es de arriba hacia abajo.",1524.72,1526.02,{"idx":1882,"utterance_id":1883,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1884,"start_s":1885,"end_s":1886,"word_count":196,"indexable":182},273,"66936","Y ahí tenemos que asumir la media culpa del campo más progresista, de ese centro, centroizquierda e incluso de la izquierda.",1526.28,1533.2,{"idx":1888,"utterance_id":1889,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1890,"start_s":1891,"end_s":1892,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},274,"66937","No deben venir con lecciones de moral, con el \"tiene que ser así\".",1533.68,1538.92,{"idx":1894,"utterance_id":1895,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1896,"start_s":1897,"end_s":1898,"word_count":292,"indexable":182},275,"66938","Entender que el mundo cambió, las relaciones humanas cambiaron, Brasil cambió, la relación laboral cambió, entonces todo cambió.",1539.54,1547.6,{"idx":1900,"utterance_id":1901,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1902,"start_s":1903,"end_s":1904,"word_count":384,"topic_slug":1905,"topic_label":1906,"target_id":1907,"target_proposition":1908,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":566,"rationale":1909,"indexable":432},276,"66939","Del mismo modo que defendemos el fin de la escala 6x1 sin reducción salarial, Tabata, tenemos que entender que hay un trabajador autónomo que está ahí que no quiere nada de eso.",1547.94,1555.62,"relacoes-internacionais-trabalho","Relaciones Internacionales \u002F Trabajo","f67697cf-1bf4-4265-bfd0-08d59fefc47e","acabar con la escala seis por uno sin reducción salarial","declara 'a gente defende o fim da escala 6x1 sem redução de salário'.",{"idx":1911,"utterance_id":1912,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1913,"start_s":1914,"end_s":1915,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},277,"66940","¿No quiere un contrato formal?",1556.08,1557.34,{"idx":1917,"utterance_id":1918,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1919,"start_s":1920,"end_s":1921,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},278,"66941","Y no tengo por qué pedirle explicaciones.",1557.82,1560.18,{"idx":1923,"utterance_id":1924,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1925,"start_s":1926,"end_s":1927,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},279,"66942","Tengo que entender, entonces, ¿por qué?",1560.58,1562,{"idx":1929,"utterance_id":1930,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1931,"start_s":1932,"end_s":1933,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},280,"66943","Él te va a decir: es porque toda mi vida no lo tuve, Tabata.",1562.08,1564.9,{"idx":1935,"utterance_id":1936,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1937,"start_s":1938,"end_s":1939,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},281,"66944","No lo tuve, Simone, toda la vida.",1564.94,1566.4,{"idx":1941,"utterance_id":1942,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1943,"start_s":1944,"end_s":1945,"word_count":280,"indexable":182},282,"66945","Tenía un año con contrato y cuando había crisis económica me iba a la informalidad.",1566.76,1571.38,{"idx":1947,"utterance_id":1948,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1949,"start_s":1950,"end_s":1951,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},283,"66946","Tuve un año con contrato y tres años de informalidad.",1571.74,1573.96,{"idx":1953,"utterance_id":1954,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1955,"start_s":1956,"end_s":1957,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},284,"66947","Y en la informalidad tenía patrón.",1574,1576.1,{"idx":1959,"utterance_id":1960,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1961,"start_s":1962,"end_s":1963,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},285,"66948","Tenía horario, no era dueña de mi tiempo.",1576.48,1579.36,{"idx":1965,"utterance_id":1966,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1967,"start_s":1968,"end_s":1969,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},286,"66949","Entonces, informalidad por informalidad, prefiero ser autónomo.",1579.42,1582.26,{"idx":1971,"utterance_id":1972,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1973,"start_s":1974,"end_s":1975,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},287,"66950","Entonces, es saber entender eso.",1582.82,1584.64,{"idx":1977,"utterance_id":1978,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1979,"start_s":1980,"end_s":1981,"word_count":378,"indexable":182},288,"66951","Y cuando entendemos eso, y entonces nos reconectamos con la clase política, la clase política se reconecta con el pueblo, volvemos a tener... a ser el centro del debate.",1585.4,1596.64,{"idx":1983,"utterance_id":1984,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1985,"start_s":1986,"end_s":1987,"word_count":587,"indexable":182},289,"66952","Dejamos de tener a esos de la extrema derecha que solo dicen lo que la gente quiere, sin ningún tipo de filtro, y diciendo un montón de tonterías por no decir otra cosa, para no hacer aquí algún comentario más grueso, y conquistando, a veces, la mente y el corazón de ese elector que está frustrado, que quiere ser escuchado, que no está conectado con la clase política.",1596.9,1617.9,{"idx":1989,"utterance_id":1990,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1991,"start_s":1992,"end_s":1993,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},290,"66953","Entonces, creo que esto es primordial.",1618.24,1619.6,{"idx":1995,"utterance_id":1996,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":1997,"start_s":1998,"end_s":1999,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},291,"66954","La forma, o sea, la manera de hacer política tiene que cambiar.",1620.2,1623.44,{"idx":2001,"utterance_id":2002,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2003,"start_s":2004,"end_s":2005,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},292,"66955","Y no podemos ocultar que la culpa es nuestra.",1623.8,1626.12,{"idx":2007,"utterance_id":2008,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2009,"start_s":2010,"end_s":2011,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},293,"66956","Tenemos que asumir esa media culpa, no solo en la forma, sino en el contenido.",1626.44,1629.5,{"idx":2013,"utterance_id":2014,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2015,"start_s":2016,"end_s":2017,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},294,"66957","Y tú eres una gran... Sé porque defiendes esa bandera.",1629.86,1632.48,{"idx":2019,"utterance_id":2020,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2021,"start_s":2022,"end_s":2023,"word_count":512,"indexable":182},295,"66958","Es cuando miran que trabajaron duro todo el mes y que no les quedó nada; se quedan esperando la última semana, por el amor de Dios, el calendario tiene que pasar rápido, pasar rápido, porque no les queda ni un centavo, como yo decía, en el bolsillo, y necesitan que pasen cinco días para poder recibir el salario.",1633.08,1649.44,{"idx":2025,"utterance_id":2026,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2027,"start_s":2028,"end_s":2029,"word_count":407,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":2030,"target_proposition":2031,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":566,"rationale":2032,"indexable":432},296,"66959","Entonces enciende la televisión, o lo ve por las redes sociales o por WhatsApp: los esquemas de corrupción, las crisis billonarias, que involucran no solo a la clase política, sino a parte de la sociedad civil, grupos organizados, seguridad pública; eso los vuelve más inseguros.",1649.72,1666,"1c91e965-d9c2-411c-b2b6-0180946da0a0","combatir el crimen organizado y fortalecer la seguridad pública","relata la expansión del crimen organizado y vincula la inseguridad a prioridades públicas.",{"idx":2034,"utterance_id":2035,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2036,"start_s":2037,"end_s":2038,"word_count":15,"indexable":182},297,"66960","El crimen organizado que salió de las grandes ciudades y que hoy también está en las medianas y pequeñas ciudades, con total inseguridad, los lleva a buscar a un mesías, a buscar un salvador de la patria.",1666.08,1678.28,{"idx":2040,"utterance_id":2041,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2042,"start_s":2043,"end_s":2044,"word_count":476,"indexable":182},298,"66961","Y entonces tenemos que venir nosotros a decir: mira, no es ni 8 ni 80, el camino es el centro, aunque tengas una posición más a la izquierda o más a la derecha, pero el camino es el diálogo del centro, mirar hacia adelante y no hacia los lados.",1681.14,1693.1,{"idx":2046,"utterance_id":2047,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2048,"start_s":2049,"end_s":2050,"word_count":286,"indexable":182},299,"66962","En fin, sé que es difícil, es ingrato, pero ya percibo un cambio comportamental del electorado brasileño.",1693.3,1702.6,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":2052,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2053,"start_s":2054,"end_s":2055,"word_count":292,"indexable":182},"66963","Él está harto, porque ve que ese discurso de odio no pone comida en su mesa.",1702.66,1707.34,{"idx":2057,"utterance_id":2058,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2059,"start_s":2060,"end_s":2061,"word_count":542,"indexable":182},301,"66964","El odio no resuelve el problema de la inseguridad del hijo suyo que sale de madrugada para ir a la fiesta, para divertirse, como toda la juventud tiene que hacer, porque es natural, pero la madre que está allí esperando sabe que ese discurso de odio no va a darle seguridad para que su hijo vuelva a casa con vida y así sucesivamente.",1708.32,1724.94,{"idx":2063,"utterance_id":2064,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2065,"start_s":2066,"end_s":2067,"word_count":236,"topic_slug":2068,"topic_label":2069,"target_id":2070,"target_proposition":2071,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":2072,"indexable":432},302,"66965","Entonces elige un representante que defienda tu agenda.",1725.16,1727.94,"democracia-e-representacao","Democracia y representación","587e7b7c-c5fa-4136-936b-121058170974","elegir senadores y diputados mejores","exhorta a los votantes a 'escolher um representante que defenda a sua pauta'.",{"idx":2074,"utterance_id":2075,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2076,"start_s":2077,"end_s":2078,"word_count":196,"indexable":182},303,"66966","Si tu agenda es la mejora de la educación pública de mi hijo o de la salud, yo quiero más seguridad.",1728.2,1735.18,{"idx":2080,"utterance_id":2081,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2082,"start_s":2083,"end_s":2084,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},304,"66967","Entonces búsquenlo... no dejen de votar.",1735.54,1739.32,{"idx":2086,"utterance_id":2087,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2088,"start_s":2089,"end_s":2090,"word_count":21,"indexable":182},305,"66968","Bueno, no es solo para el presidente de la República, es especialmente para quienes hacen las leyes en Brasil, que es el Congreso Nacional.",1739.44,1744.18,{"idx":2092,"utterance_id":2093,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2094,"start_s":2095,"end_s":2096,"word_count":49,"indexable":182},306,"66969","Entonces, elegir personas como la figura de tábata, tantas mujeres y hombres de bien, jóvenes o no, que actúan, que son bienintencionados en la vida pública.",1744.66,1754.58,{"idx":2098,"utterance_id":2099,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2100,"start_s":2101,"end_s":2102,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},307,"66970","Y si Dios quiere, vamos a tenerte allí en el Senado.",1754.8,1757.18,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":2104,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2105,"start_s":2106,"end_s":2107,"word_count":280,"topic_slug":2108,"topic_label":2109,"target_id":2110,"target_proposition":2111,"stance":316,"stance_confidence":1704,"rationale":2112,"indexable":182},"66971","Lo he dicho mucho, hoy el Congreso es más importante que el presidente de la República.",1757.72,1761.72,"poder-legislativo","Poder legislativo","1cc1bc19-ea3a-4b6a-8d3f-871945f545b8","fortalecer el papel del Congreso Nacional","afirma que un buen Congreso puede contener incluso a un presidente malo.",{"idx":2114,"utterance_id":2115,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2116,"start_s":2117,"end_s":2118,"word_count":196,"indexable":182},309,"66972","Un Congreso malo acaba con el país, y un Congreso bueno... incluso sostiene a un presidente malo, si fuera el caso.",1762.44,1768.36,{"idx":2120,"utterance_id":2121,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2122,"start_s":2123,"end_s":2124,"word_count":198,"indexable":182},310,"66973","Entonces, súper importante.",1768.9,1770.72,{"idx":2126,"utterance_id":2127,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2128,"start_s":2129,"end_s":2130,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},311,"66974","Tal vez, nuestra pregunta más importante, la que estaba más ansiosa por escucharte.",1771.3,1775.44,{"idx":2132,"utterance_id":2133,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2134,"start_s":2135,"end_s":2136,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},312,"66975","¿Cuál es tu sueño para Brasil?",1775.92,1777.36,{"idx":2138,"utterance_id":2139,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2140,"start_s":2141,"end_s":2142,"word_count":49,"indexable":182},313,"66976","Y cómo llegamos allí, obviamente, pero ¿qué sueñas para nuestro país, para nuestra gente, para nuestro futuro?",1778.52,1784.9,{"idx":2144,"utterance_id":2145,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2146,"start_s":2147,"end_s":2148,"word_count":286,"indexable":182},314,"66977","Mi sueño, que es el sueño de toda madre, es, en realidad, todavía una utopía hoy.",1785.08,1790.94,{"idx":2150,"utterance_id":2151,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2152,"start_s":2153,"end_s":2154,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":2155,"topic_label":2156,"target_id":2157,"target_proposition":2158,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":1527,"rationale":2159,"indexable":432},315,"66978","Que ni un niño duerma con hambre en Brasil.",1791.86,1794.34,"seguranca-alimentar","Seguridad alimentaria","5264f287-f653-443d-835d-eba10d5d40b7","erradicar el hambre infantil","declara como sueño que ningún niño duerma con hambre en Brasil.",{"idx":2161,"utterance_id":2162,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2163,"start_s":2164,"end_s":2165,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},316,"66979","Tengo dos Marias en casa y ellas nunca pasaron hambre.",1795.86,1799.82,{"idx":2167,"utterance_id":2168,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2169,"start_s":2170,"end_s":2171,"word_count":749,"indexable":182},317,"66980","Entonces, pues, ese amor de madre... lo extiendo a todos los niños de Brasil, así, no puedo, es una indignación que tengo, pero bueno, termino recordando, hablé de esto, me acordé de Eduardo Galeano, una pena que no me acordé antes, traería aquí el texto, porque hay una diferencia entre utopía y sueño, porque él estaba dando una conferencia, no sé, en una universidad, le preguntaron, y al preguntarle qué era un sueño, él dijo que el sueño, el sueño está en el horizonte, está allí.",1799.9,1827.9,{"idx":2173,"utterance_id":2174,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2175,"start_s":2176,"end_s":2177,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},318,"66981","A cada dos pasos que doy, se aleja dos pasos.",1828.5,1832.42,{"idx":2179,"utterance_id":2180,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2181,"start_s":2182,"end_s":2183,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},319,"66982","Si doy diez pasos, se aleja dos pasos.",1832.5,1835.46,{"idx":2185,"utterance_id":2186,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2187,"start_s":2188,"end_s":2189,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},320,"66983","Entonces un joven le pregunta: ¿para qué sirve la utopía?",1835.52,1838.2,{"idx":2191,"utterance_id":2192,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2193,"start_s":2194,"end_s":2195,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},321,"66984","Y él dice: sirve exactamente para eso, para que nosotros caminemos.",1838.68,1841.46,{"idx":2197,"utterance_id":2198,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2199,"start_s":2200,"end_s":2201,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":57,"topic_label":54,"target_id":2202,"target_proposition":2203,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":2204,"indexable":432},322,"66985","Que creo que eso es: en el camino, realizamos esa utopía, en mi caso, de que todo niño duerma con la barriguita llena.",1841.94,1848.94,"961fd885-8be0-49ce-ab28-4dc4773715a9","reducir la pobreza","habla de sacar a las familias del 'mapa da fome' y dar dignidad.",{"idx":2206,"utterance_id":2207,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2208,"start_s":2209,"end_s":2210,"word_count":60,"indexable":182},323,"66986","Pero, ¿cuántos niños van a salir de la miseria, el padre va a salir del mapa del hambre, y a cuántas familias les vamos a dar dignidad?",1849.36,1855.4,{"idx":2212,"utterance_id":2213,"speaker_name":1056,"speaker_slug":1057,"text":2214,"start_s":2215,"end_s":2216,"word_count":198,"indexable":182},324,"66987","Entonces eso es.",1855.6,1856.14,{"idx":2218,"utterance_id":2219,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2220,"start_s":2221,"end_s":2222,"word_count":324,"indexable":182},325,"66988","Muchas gracias, fue un placer conversar contigo y espero, de todo corazón, que salgamos un poquito mejor de las elecciones de este año.",1856.46,1864.96,{"idx":2224,"utterance_id":2225,"speaker_name":973,"text":2226,"start_s":2227,"end_s":2228,"word_count":204,"indexable":182},326,"66989","Vamos a trabajar para eso.",1865.52,1866.44,{"idx":2230,"utterance_id":2231,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2232,"start_s":2233,"end_s":2234,"word_count":198,"indexable":182},327,"66990","Colectividad como país.",1866.48,1867.84,{"idx":2236,"utterance_id":2237,"speaker_name":973,"text":2238,"start_s":2239,"end_s":2240,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},328,"66991","Vamos a trabajar para eso, ¿vale?",1868.46,1869.56,{"idx":2242,"utterance_id":2243,"speaker_name":973,"text":2244,"start_s":2245,"end_s":2246,"word_count":204,"indexable":182},329,"66992","Muchas gracias por la invitación.",1869.88,1871.14,{"idx":2248,"utterance_id":2249,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2250,"start_s":2251,"end_s":2252,"word_count":425,"indexable":182},330,"66993","Una de las cosas que Simone dijo en la entrevista que me pareció más bonita, tal vez, fue que ella transmitía la sensación de estar realizando ese sueño colectivo cuando ella... como alcaldesa, entregaba la llave de una vivienda a una madre de familia.",1871.56,1890.18,{"idx":2254,"utterance_id":2255,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2256,"start_s":2257,"end_s":2258,"word_count":378,"indexable":182},331,"66994","Y, bueno, crecí en una ocupación, así que para mí es muy concreto lo que esa familia siente al recibir esa llave, pero también me identifico mucho con lo que ella expresó.",1890.98,1903.52,{"idx":2260,"utterance_id":2261,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2262,"start_s":2263,"end_s":2264,"word_count":43,"indexable":182},332,"66995","No he sido alcaldesa todavía, espero serlo algún día, pero bromeo que en el Congreso voy hasta el límite de lo que se puede hacer como diputada, que es lo concreto.",1904,1912.86,{"idx":2266,"utterance_id":2267,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2268,"start_s":2269,"end_s":2270,"word_count":228,"topic_slug":2271,"topic_label":2272,"target_id":2273,"target_proposition":2274,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":868,"rationale":2275,"indexable":432},333,"66996","Que en mi caso es llegar a una escuela y ver el paquete de compresas en el baño.",1913.42,1917.24,"direitos-das-mulheres","Derechos de las mujeres","d78d649a-aad1-4539-8f26-517a6c7dff3d","proveer toallas sanitarias gratuitas en escuelas públicas","relata una acción concreta de ver 'pacote de absorvente' en una escuela como política.",{"idx":2277,"utterance_id":2278,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2279,"start_s":2280,"end_s":2281,"word_count":302,"indexable":182},334,"66997","Ir a una escuela también y conocer al joven que está recibiendo el pequeño ahorro ('pé de meia') y viene a contarme qué está haciendo con ese recurso.",1918.84,1925.86,{"idx":2283,"utterance_id":2284,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2285,"start_s":2286,"end_s":2287,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},335,"66998","O los sueños que está planeando con ese ahorro.",1926.28,1928.54,{"idx":2289,"utterance_id":2290,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2291,"start_s":2292,"end_s":2293,"word_count":269,"indexable":182},336,"66999","Y claro que tengo varios proyectos que no son tan palpables como estos.",1930.24,1934.18,{"idx":2295,"utterance_id":2296,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2297,"start_s":2298,"end_s":2299,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},337,"67000","Y también son súper importantes.",1934.56,1935.9,{"idx":2301,"utterance_id":2302,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2303,"start_s":2304,"end_s":2305,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},338,"67001","Pero esos que casi puedes tocar, son maravillosos.",1936.5,1940.62,{"idx":2307,"utterance_id":2308,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2309,"start_s":2310,"end_s":2311,"word_count":60,"indexable":182},339,"67002","Porque... muestran que vale la pena, creo que eso es, que vale la pena soñar, que vale la pena creer.",1940.7,1946.48,{"idx":2313,"utterance_id":2314,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2315,"start_s":2316,"end_s":2317,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},340,"67003","Y eso es lo que digo que falta en la política, ¿sabes?",1947.12,1950.88,{"idx":2319,"utterance_id":2320,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2321,"start_s":2322,"end_s":2323,"word_count":434,"indexable":182},341,"67004","Al menos en mi opinión, un político no debería satisfacerse con su poder o con sus logros personales, porque entonces creo que debería irse a otro ramo, no sería la política, pero eso de realizarte tanto...",1952.12,1967.46,{"idx":2325,"utterance_id":2326,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2327,"start_s":2328,"end_s":2329,"word_count":302,"indexable":182},342,"67005","Y un paso más, una oportunidad más, un derecho más que una persona consigue obtener porque estabas ahí trabajando, eso es muy genial.",1968.06,1977.58,{"idx":2331,"utterance_id":2332,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2333,"start_s":2334,"end_s":2335,"word_count":228,"topic_slug":2336,"topic_label":2337,"target_id":2338,"target_proposition":2339,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":566,"rationale":2340,"indexable":432},343,"67006","Y creo que eso también explica por qué necesitamos más mujeres en la política.",1978.08,1982.14,"igualdade-de-genero","Igualdad de género","4ae9b2b8-de28-479a-a067-8a406c5742f1","aumentar la participación de mujeres en la política","atribuye a la presencia femenina mayor sensibilidad y representación en la política.",{"idx":2342,"utterance_id":2343,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2344,"start_s":2345,"end_s":2346,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},344,"67007","Porque los hombres, tenemos que estar juntos en esto.",1982.8,1985.4,{"idx":2348,"utterance_id":2349,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2350,"start_s":2351,"end_s":2352,"word_count":196,"indexable":182},345,"67008","Pero de la misma manera que solo ustedes saben cómo se sienten algunos hombres, hay situaciones que solo nosotras conocemos.",1985.88,1993.3,{"idx":2354,"utterance_id":2355,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2356,"start_s":2357,"end_s":2358,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},346,"67009","Y una madre de familia... que se ve completamente sola en el mundo.",1993.72,1997.38,{"idx":2360,"utterance_id":2361,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2362,"start_s":2363,"end_s":2364,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},347,"67010","Cuando recibe su casa, se acabó.",1997.42,1999.62,{"idx":2366,"utterance_id":2367,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2368,"start_s":2369,"end_s":2370,"word_count":21,"indexable":182},348,"67011","Está segura en varios sentidos y empieza a permitirse soñar mucho más para ella y para sus hijos.",2000.26,2006.86,{"idx":2372,"utterance_id":2373,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2374,"start_s":2375,"end_s":2376,"word_count":292,"indexable":182},349,"67012","Gente, ahora voy a traer a un invitado que para mí es uno de los tipos más extraordinarios de la política brasileña.",2007.46,2014.36,{"idx":2378,"utterance_id":2379,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2380,"start_s":2381,"end_s":2382,"word_count":280,"indexable":182},350,"67013","Y no solo porque es muy querido por la gente y porque ya ha logrado muchas cosas.",2015.14,2022.18,{"idx":2384,"utterance_id":2385,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2386,"start_s":2387,"end_s":2388,"word_count":425,"indexable":182},351,"67014","que de hecho cambiaron la vida de muchas personas y abrieron horizontes a mucha gente, sino también porque él tiene valores que me da alegría haber tenido la oportunidad de conocer y que realmente me hacen creer en esa buena política, en esa política que hace que las cosas sucedan, ¿sabes?",2022.78,2042.58,{"idx":2390,"utterance_id":2391,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2392,"start_s":2393,"end_s":2394,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},352,"67015","Que es honesta, que reúne a gente trabajadora, que está ahí por las razones correctas.",2042.7,2047.46,{"idx":2396,"utterance_id":2397,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2398,"start_s":2399,"end_s":2400,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},353,"67016","Y claro que podría quedarme aquí 10 horas elogiándolo.",2048.08,2050.94,{"idx":2402,"utterance_id":2403,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2404,"start_s":2405,"end_s":2406,"word_count":204,"indexable":182},354,"67017","João, mi marido.",2051.32,2052.58,{"idx":2408,"utterance_id":2409,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2410,"start_s":2411,"end_s":2412,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},355,"67018","Pero no necesito hacerlo.",2052.96,2054.74,{"idx":2414,"utterance_id":2415,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2416,"start_s":2417,"end_s":2418,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},356,"67019","Porque creo que lo que realmente quieren es escuchar cómo fue esa conversación con él.",2055.34,2059.08,{"idx":2420,"utterance_id":2421,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2422,"start_s":2423,"end_s":2424,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},357,"67020","Y ahora, solo una reflexión.",2059.66,2060.78,{"idx":2426,"utterance_id":2427,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2428,"start_s":2429,"end_s":2430,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},358,"67021","Antes de que João fuera mi novio y mi marido, fue mi amigo.",2062.18,2066.3,{"idx":2432,"utterance_id":2433,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2434,"start_s":2435,"end_s":2436,"word_count":304,"indexable":182},359,"67022","Y a pesar de que tenemos trayectorias muy diferentes, creo que nos conectamos tanto en el trabajo como en la amistad.",2067,2077.52,{"idx":2438,"utterance_id":2439,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2440,"start_s":2441,"end_s":2442,"word_count":191,"indexable":182},360,"67023","Por los valores.",2078.66,2079.5,{"idx":2444,"utterance_id":2445,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2446,"start_s":2447,"end_s":2448,"word_count":228,"indexable":182},361,"67024","Y creo que estamos en un momento en que no se habla tanto de valores.",2079.92,2082.5,{"idx":2450,"utterance_id":2451,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2452,"start_s":2453,"end_s":2454,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},362,"67025","Pero João y yo quizá no podríamos tener trayectorias más opuestas.",2083.26,2087.32,{"idx":2456,"utterance_id":2457,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2458,"start_s":2459,"end_s":2460,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},363,"67026","Soy hija de un jornalero y de un cobrador de autobús.",2087.84,2090.06,{"idx":2462,"utterance_id":2463,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2464,"start_s":2465,"end_s":2466,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},364,"67027","João es bisnieto e hijo de exgobernadores de Pernambuco.",2090.58,2096.28,{"idx":2468,"utterance_id":2469,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2470,"start_s":2471,"end_s":2472,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},365,"67028","Así que son orígenes sociales, orígenes políticos muy distintos.",2096.94,2101.38,{"idx":2474,"utterance_id":2475,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2476,"start_s":2477,"end_s":2478,"word_count":280,"indexable":182},366,"67029","Pero desde que nos conocimos... me vi luchando a su lado en muchas causas.",2102.04,2108.9,{"idx":2480,"utterance_id":2481,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2482,"start_s":2483,"end_s":2484,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2485,"target_proposition":2486,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":566,"rationale":2487,"indexable":432},367,"67030","La causa de la educación pública, la causa de la enseñanza técnica, que es una causa que compartimos, la causa también de la transformación digital, la causa de las mujeres, la causa del cuidado.",2109.4,2122.4,"7e5df0bb-d334-4657-85c6-dfcc6532853b","garantizar una educación pública de calidad","enumera 'a causa da educação pública' como prioridad compartida.",{"idx":2489,"utterance_id":2490,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2491,"start_s":2492,"end_s":2493,"word_count":292,"indexable":182},368,"67031","Y es muy lindo cuando tienes un amigo y dices: 'hombre, qué genial, me entiendes'.",2123.04,2127.64,{"idx":2495,"utterance_id":2496,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2497,"start_s":2498,"end_s":2499,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},369,"67032","Nos indignan las mismas cosas que están mal.",2128.24,2130.68,{"idx":2501,"utterance_id":2502,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2503,"start_s":2504,"end_s":2505,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},370,"67033","Queremos promover los mismos cambios en el mundo.",2131.14,2133.46,{"idx":2507,"utterance_id":2508,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2509,"start_s":2510,"end_s":2511,"word_count":518,"indexable":182},371,"67034","Entonces, creo que es muy natural que, más allá de nuestra relación personal y de ese amor que surgió en la amistad y el trabajo conjunto, también trabajemos juntos, uno al lado del otro, en el partido hoy, porque realmente es una... Ni siquiera estamos de acuerdo en todas las posiciones, pero coincidimos en los valores.",2134,2156.62,{"idx":2513,"utterance_id":2514,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2515,"start_s":2516,"end_s":2517,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},372,"67035","Y creo que eso es lo más importante.",2157.1,2158.62,{"idx":2519,"utterance_id":2520,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2521,"start_s":2522,"end_s":2523,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},373,"67036","Vamos a echar un vistazo a cómo fue esa conversación.",2158.86,2160.66,{"idx":2525,"utterance_id":2526,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2527,"start_s":2528,"end_s":2529,"word_count":191,"indexable":182},374,"67037","Hola, João.",2161.1,2161.44,{"idx":2531,"utterance_id":2532,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2533,"start_s":2534,"end_s":2535,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},375,"67038","Gracias por aceptar mi invitación.",2161.5,2163.26,{"idx":2537,"utterance_id":2538,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2539,"start_s":2540,"end_s":2541,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},376,"67039","Es un placer hablar contigo.",2163.66,2165,{"idx":2543,"utterance_id":2544,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2545,"start_s":2546,"end_s":2547,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},377,"67040","Y voy a intentar no ser tan blanda contigo, ¿eh?",2165.56,2169.04,{"idx":2549,"utterance_id":2550,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2551,"start_s":2552,"end_s":2553,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},378,"67041","Pero será una conversación genial.",2169.3,2170.54,{"idx":2555,"utterance_id":2556,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2557,"start_s":2558,"end_s":2559,"word_count":184,"indexable":182},379,"67042","Muchísimas gracias.",2170.58,2171.04,{"idx":2561,"utterance_id":2562,"speaker_name":973,"text":2563,"start_s":2564,"end_s":2565,"word_count":191,"indexable":182},380,"67043","Está bien.",2171.18,2171.72,{"idx":2567,"utterance_id":2568,"speaker_name":973,"text":2569,"start_s":2570,"end_s":2571,"word_count":184,"indexable":182},381,"67044","Genial.",2171.78,2172.06,{"idx":2573,"utterance_id":2574,"speaker_name":973,"text":2575,"start_s":2576,"end_s":2577,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},382,"67045","Muy feliz de poder participar en este podcast y contigo es aún más especial.",2172.12,2175.88,{"idx":2579,"utterance_id":2580,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2581,"start_s":2582,"end_s":2583,"word_count":198,"indexable":182},383,"67046","Vamos con todo.",2176.3,2176.92,{"idx":2585,"utterance_id":2586,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2587,"start_s":2588,"end_s":2589,"word_count":228,"indexable":182},384,"67047","João, quería hacerte una pregunta que les hago a todos los que vienen aquí.",2178.16,2181.52,{"idx":2591,"utterance_id":2592,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2593,"start_s":2594,"end_s":2595,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},385,"67048","que es para que te presentes.",2182.18,2183.38,{"idx":2597,"utterance_id":2598,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2599,"start_s":2600,"end_s":2601,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},386,"67049","Y así creo que la gente conozca mejor a João.",2183.86,2186.28,{"idx":2603,"utterance_id":2604,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2605,"start_s":2606,"end_s":2607,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},387,"67050","Exalcalde, precandidato a gobernador, presidente de partido.",2186.76,2190.68,{"idx":2609,"utterance_id":2610,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2611,"start_s":2612,"end_s":2613,"word_count":269,"indexable":182},388,"67051","Pero quería que hablaras un poco de quién es João fuera de la política.",2191.1,2194.04,{"idx":2615,"utterance_id":2616,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2617,"start_s":2618,"end_s":2619,"word_count":60,"indexable":182},389,"67052","Entonces, en las poquísimas horas en las que no estás trabajando y no estás durmiendo, ¿qué te gusta hacer?",2194.54,2201.16,{"idx":2621,"utterance_id":2622,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2623,"start_s":2624,"end_s":2625,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},390,"67053","¿Quién eres en el mundo?",2201.3,2202.22,{"idx":2627,"utterance_id":2628,"speaker_name":973,"text":2629,"start_s":2630,"end_s":2631,"word_count":191,"indexable":182},391,"67054","Vamos.",2202.3,2202.58,{"idx":2633,"utterance_id":2634,"speaker_name":973,"text":2635,"start_s":2636,"end_s":2637,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},392,"67055","Soy un recifense pernambucano de 32 años.",2202.8,2208.02,{"idx":2639,"utterance_id":2640,"speaker_name":973,"text":2641,"start_s":2642,"end_s":2643,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},393,"67056","Nací el 26 de noviembre de 1993.",2208.7,2211.36,{"idx":2645,"utterance_id":2646,"speaker_name":973,"text":2647,"start_s":2648,"end_s":2649,"word_count":302,"indexable":182},394,"67057","Soy ingeniero civil de formación, fui elegido diputado federal, alcalde más joven de la historia de las capitales, luego reelegido con la mayor votación en la historia de Recife, recién casado",2212.72,2223.5,{"idx":2651,"utterance_id":2652,"speaker_name":973,"text":2653,"start_s":2654,"end_s":2655,"word_count":184,"indexable":182},395,"67058","con",2224.04,2224.2,{"idx":2657,"utterance_id":2658,"speaker_name":973,"text":2659,"start_s":2660,"end_s":2661,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},396,"67059","contigo, con el Tabata, y me gusta mucho la política, entonces nací en un ambiente",2224.44,2230.24,{"idx":2663,"utterance_id":2664,"speaker_name":973,"text":2665,"start_s":2666,"end_s":2667,"word_count":184,"indexable":182},397,"67060","muy",2230.32,2230.6,{"idx":2669,"utterance_id":2670,"speaker_name":973,"text":2671,"start_s":2672,"end_s":2673,"word_count":21,"indexable":182},398,"67061","presente en la política; cuando nací mi padre ya era diputado; en fin, mi convivencia con la política es desde que nací.",2231.5,2240.48,{"idx":2675,"utterance_id":2676,"speaker_name":973,"text":2677,"start_s":2678,"end_s":2679,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},399,"67062","Y me gusta mucho trabajar.",2241.44,2243.62,{"idx":2681,"utterance_id":2682,"speaker_name":973,"text":2683,"start_s":2684,"end_s":2685,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},400,"67063","Entonces, de hecho, he tenido poco tiempo libre.",2243.7,2245.84,{"idx":2687,"utterance_id":2688,"speaker_name":973,"text":2689,"start_s":2690,"end_s":2691,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},401,"67064","Pero gran parte de lo que hago es cuidar a las personas.",2246.64,2250.46,{"idx":2693,"utterance_id":2694,"speaker_name":973,"text":2695,"start_s":2696,"end_s":2697,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},402,"67065","Es dedicar mi tiempo a hacer política, a escuchar, a pensar cómo resolver problemas.",2250.52,2255.34,{"idx":2699,"utterance_id":2700,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2701,"start_s":2702,"end_s":2703,"word_count":184,"indexable":182},403,"67066","Verdad.",2255.58,2255.96,{"idx":2705,"utterance_id":2706,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2707,"start_s":2708,"end_s":2709,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},404,"67067","Una cosa, quizá, tiene ese problema, ¿no?",2256.64,2258.6,{"idx":2711,"utterance_id":2712,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2713,"start_s":2714,"end_s":2715,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},405,"67068","Que me quedo queriendo responderte.",2258.7,2260.68,{"idx":2717,"utterance_id":2718,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2719,"start_s":2720,"end_s":2721,"word_count":269,"indexable":182},406,"67069","Pero creo que es bueno hablar de tu pasión por cabalgar, por los caballos.",2261.2,2264.94,{"idx":2723,"utterance_id":2724,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2725,"start_s":2726,"end_s":2727,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},407,"67070","Es algo que aprendí contigo.",2265.64,2267.84,{"idx":2729,"utterance_id":2730,"speaker_name":973,"text":2731,"start_s":2732,"end_s":2733,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},408,"67071","Sí, lo aprendí con mi abuelo, ¿no?",2268.2,2269.56,{"idx":2735,"utterance_id":2736,"speaker_name":973,"text":2737,"start_s":2738,"end_s":2739,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},409,"67072","Mi abuelo tenía una finca.",2269.64,2270.62,{"idx":2741,"utterance_id":2742,"speaker_name":973,"text":2743,"start_s":2744,"end_s":2745,"word_count":425,"indexable":182},410,"67073","Cerca de Recife, y él me enseñó básicamente a montar a caballo, así que siempre me gustó montar a caballo, siempre me gustó ir a la naturaleza, ir a su finca, poder salir a montar con amigos que también montan a caballo.",2271.36,2287.18,{"idx":2747,"utterance_id":2748,"speaker_name":973,"text":2749,"start_s":2750,"end_s":2751,"word_count":292,"indexable":182},411,"67074","Confieso que prácticamente no he hecho eso, pero es algo que siempre me da una paz muy grande.",2287.24,2294.1,{"idx":2753,"utterance_id":2754,"speaker_name":973,"text":2755,"start_s":2756,"end_s":2757,"word_count":9,"indexable":182},412,"67075","Creo que la última vez que monté a caballo fue en la Cavalgada Pedra do Rei, en São José do Belmonte, en la que tú estuviste, justamente.",2294.14,2299.06,{"idx":2759,"utterance_id":2760,"speaker_name":973,"text":2761,"start_s":2762,"end_s":2763,"word_count":269,"indexable":182},413,"67076","Casi 30 kilómetros a caballo para subir la Serra do Catalei en la Pedra do Reino.",2299.8,2303.96,{"idx":2765,"utterance_id":2766,"speaker_name":973,"text":2767,"start_s":2768,"end_s":2769,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},414,"67077","Y creo que es un momento muy especial.",2304.74,2307,{"idx":2771,"utterance_id":2772,"speaker_name":973,"text":2773,"start_s":2774,"end_s":2775,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},415,"67078","Terminas conectándote con la naturaleza y conectándote con algo diferente.",2307.28,2312.32,{"idx":2777,"utterance_id":2778,"speaker_name":973,"text":2779,"start_s":2780,"end_s":2781,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},416,"67079","Y trae, al menos para mí, una gran paz de espíritu.",2313.4,2316.5,{"idx":2783,"utterance_id":2784,"speaker_name":973,"text":2785,"start_s":2786,"end_s":2787,"word_count":204,"indexable":182},417,"67080","Así que hace bien, ¿sabes?",2316.56,2317.82,{"idx":2789,"utterance_id":2790,"speaker_name":973,"text":2791,"start_s":2792,"end_s":2793,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},418,"67081","Es la sensación de estar haciendo algo ligero que te gusta.",2317.86,2322.08,{"idx":2795,"utterance_id":2796,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2797,"start_s":2798,"end_s":2799,"word_count":184,"indexable":182},419,"67082","Perfecto.",2323.18,2323.72,{"idx":2801,"utterance_id":2802,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2803,"start_s":2804,"end_s":2805,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},420,"67083","Si tuvieras que hablar en pocas palabras, ¿cómo era João de niño?",2323.76,2327.38,{"idx":2807,"utterance_id":2808,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2809,"start_s":2810,"end_s":2811,"word_count":357,"indexable":182},421,"67084","Y ahí también trayendo otra pregunta, si en ese entonces te veías, si te imaginabas en este lugar de la política o no, ¿querías algo completamente distinto?",2327.92,2339.66,{"idx":2813,"utterance_id":2814,"speaker_name":973,"text":2815,"start_s":2816,"end_s":2817,"word_count":470,"indexable":182},422,"67085","Desde niño fui alguien a quien le gustaban mucho los deportes, me gustaban las cosas inventivas, así que, por ejemplo, quizá el juguete que más me gustaba era una caja de herramientas, entonces montar cosas, armar... con cierta ingeniosidad, tanto es que siempre quise estudiar ingeniería.",2339.9,2358.46,{"idx":2819,"utterance_id":2820,"speaker_name":973,"text":2821,"start_s":2822,"end_s":2823,"word_count":228,"indexable":182},423,"67086","A los siete años decía: quiero ser ingeniero, quiero ser ingeniero.",2359.04,2361.9,{"idx":2825,"utterance_id":2826,"speaker_name":973,"text":2827,"start_s":2828,"end_s":2829,"word_count":196,"indexable":182},424,"67087","No sabía ni siquiera qué era propiamente la ingeniería, pero sabía que quería trabajar, estudiar en esa área.",2361.94,2367.92,{"idx":2831,"utterance_id":2832,"speaker_name":973,"text":2833,"start_s":2834,"end_s":2835,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},425,"67088","Me gustaba mucho la naturaleza.",2368.68,2370.52,{"idx":2837,"utterance_id":2838,"speaker_name":973,"text":2839,"start_s":2840,"end_s":2841,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},426,"67089","El mejor lugar del mundo para mí era esa finca de mi abuelo.",2371.2,2374.34,{"idx":2843,"utterance_id":2844,"speaker_name":973,"text":2845,"start_s":2846,"end_s":2847,"word_count":228,"indexable":182},427,"67090","Y el mejor día de la semana era el sábado, cuando iba con él allá.",2374.74,2379.18,{"idx":2849,"utterance_id":2850,"speaker_name":973,"text":2851,"start_s":2852,"end_s":2853,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},428,"67091","No pensaba en entrar en política.",2379.58,2381.16,{"idx":2855,"utterance_id":2856,"speaker_name":973,"text":2857,"start_s":2858,"end_s":2859,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},429,"67092","Al principio ni siquiera entendía bien qué era, ¿no?",2381.74,2383.62,{"idx":2861,"utterance_id":2862,"speaker_name":973,"text":2863,"start_s":2864,"end_s":2865,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},430,"67093","Era el trabajo de mi padre, no sabía bien qué era.",2383.78,2386.64,{"idx":2867,"utterance_id":2868,"speaker_name":973,"text":2869,"start_s":2870,"end_s":2871,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},431,"67094","Y uno, al crecer, va teniendo más noción y va aprendiendo más.",2387.46,2390.86,{"idx":2873,"utterance_id":2874,"speaker_name":973,"text":2875,"start_s":2876,"end_s":2877,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},432,"67095","Pero no pensaba que tendría talento para la política.",2391.4,2395.28,{"idx":2879,"utterance_id":2880,"speaker_name":973,"text":2881,"start_s":2882,"end_s":2883,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},433,"67096","Incluso pensaba que no lo lograría.",2395.84,2397.52,{"idx":2885,"utterance_id":2886,"speaker_name":973,"text":2887,"start_s":2888,"end_s":2889,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},434,"67097","Dar una entrevista sería una de las cosas que no conseguiría hacer.",2397.58,2400.26,{"idx":2891,"utterance_id":2892,"speaker_name":973,"text":2893,"start_s":2894,"end_s":2895,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},435,"67098","Y para mí hoy es algo súper natural, así.",2400.8,2403.34,{"idx":2897,"utterance_id":2898,"speaker_name":973,"text":2899,"start_s":2900,"end_s":2901,"word_count":280,"indexable":182},436,"67099","Pero pensaba que no sería capaz de dar una entrevista o de dar un discurso.",2404.36,2407.4,{"idx":2903,"utterance_id":2904,"speaker_name":973,"text":2905,"start_s":2906,"end_s":2907,"word_count":357,"indexable":182},437,"67100","Era una de las cosas que pensaba: ¿cómo voy a entrar en política si no sé dar una entrevista o no sé hacer un discurso?",2408.66,2414.54,{"idx":2909,"utterance_id":2910,"speaker_name":973,"text":2911,"start_s":2912,"end_s":2913,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},438,"67101","Y luego vi que incluso se me daba bien eso.",2415.32,2418.84,{"idx":2915,"utterance_id":2916,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2917,"start_s":2918,"end_s":2919,"word_count":191,"indexable":182},439,"67102","Con seguridad.",2419.12,2419.88,{"idx":2921,"utterance_id":2922,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2923,"start_s":2924,"end_s":2925,"word_count":446,"indexable":182},440,"67103","Y tú conoces esta historia, pero me recordó que a mi madre ya la habían llamado en la escuela cuando yo era muy pequeña, lo conté eso, porque los profesores estaban preocupados por mi timidez y creían que yo nunca lograría hablar en público.",2420.4,2433.88,{"idx":2927,"utterance_id":2928,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2929,"start_s":2930,"end_s":2931,"word_count":204,"indexable":182},441,"67104","Así... En fin, me parece gracioso.",2435.12,2437.12,{"idx":2933,"utterance_id":2934,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2935,"start_s":2936,"end_s":2937,"word_count":228,"indexable":182},442,"67105","Así, dos personas más tímidas, más nerds, y después están obligadas a hablar por los codos.",2437.2,2444.12,{"idx":2939,"utterance_id":2940,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2941,"start_s":2942,"end_s":2943,"word_count":357,"topic_slug":900,"topic_label":901,"target_id":2944,"target_proposition":2945,"stance":316,"stance_confidence":2946,"rationale":2947,"indexable":182},443,"67106","João, hablando ahora sobre este nuestro Brasil viejo de guerra, hay mucha gente que mira tu actuación política, que mira la mía y tiene esperanza.",2444.48,2455.72,"e66aa6da-e110-4f3c-bec3-ec020aa26886","aumentar la confianza de los jóvenes en la política",0.72,"Relata que los jóvenes miran con esperanza, sin proponer acción concreta.",{"idx":2949,"utterance_id":2950,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2951,"start_s":2952,"end_s":2953,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},444,"67107","Y yo siempre tengo cuidado de no envanecerme con eso.",2456.44,2459.66,{"idx":2955,"utterance_id":2956,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2957,"start_s":2958,"end_s":2959,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},445,"67108","Y de entender que, en parte, la gente nos mira tanto.",2461.5,2464.86,{"idx":2961,"utterance_id":2962,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2963,"start_s":2964,"end_s":2965,"word_count":324,"topic_slug":900,"topic_label":901,"target_id":2966,"target_proposition":2967,"stance":316,"stance_confidence":1704,"rationale":2968,"indexable":182},446,"67109","Porque, en general, hay pocos jóvenes que quieren entrar en la política, que quieren, en fin, creer que la política puede ser un lugar de transformación.",2465.46,2474.26,"9c29ed36-9f1d-4732-b569-85062b5735d3","incentivar la participación política de jóvenes","Afirma que pocos jóvenes entran en la política, descripción del problema.",{"idx":2970,"utterance_id":2971,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2972,"start_s":2973,"end_s":2974,"word_count":280,"topic_slug":2975,"topic_label":2976,"target_id":2977,"target_proposition":2978,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":566,"rationale":2979,"indexable":432},447,"67110","Y de los que entran, son raros los que no caen en el canto de la sirena del extremismo, ¿no?",2474.88,2480.62,"polarizacao-politica-e-divisao-do-pais","Polarización política","7515ee6f-b469-4db1-a2b3-734fe7ee9836","reducir la polarización política y promover la unidad nacional","Crítica directa al extremismo y defensa implícita del camino del medio.",{"idx":2981,"utterance_id":2982,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2983,"start_s":2984,"end_s":2985,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},448,"67111","Porque ser extremista da 'likes', se vuelve viral, pero no cambia la vida de nadie.",2481.16,2484.98,{"idx":2987,"utterance_id":2988,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2989,"start_s":2990,"end_s":2991,"word_count":60,"indexable":182},449,"67112","Entonces, creo que la gente nos mira tanto, primero porque nosotros, muy jóvenes, decidimos entrar en esta vida pública.",2485.58,2494,{"idx":2993,"utterance_id":2994,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":2995,"start_s":2996,"end_s":2997,"word_count":351,"topic_slug":2975,"topic_label":2976,"target_id":2977,"target_proposition":2978,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":1527,"rationale":2998,"indexable":432},450,"67113","Y segundo, porque lo hacemos de una forma diferente a la que están haciendo otros jóvenes, que es apostar por la construcción, por el camino intermedio.",2494.5,2501.84,"Afirma que actúan 'no caminho do meio' y valoran la construcción.",{"idx":3000,"utterance_id":3001,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3002,"start_s":3003,"end_s":3004,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":900,"topic_label":901,"target_id":2966,"target_proposition":2967,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":3005,"indexable":432},451,"67114","Pero yo quería, en esa línea, dar un paso atrás, porque creo que es un poco mi misión y la tuya, traer a otros jóvenes.",2502.58,2509.3,"Dice que es misión 'trazer outros jovens' para la política.",{"idx":3007,"utterance_id":3008,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3009,"start_s":3010,"end_s":3011,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},452,"67115","No pensar que la respuesta somos nosotros.",2509.82,2511.4,{"idx":3013,"utterance_id":3014,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3015,"start_s":3016,"end_s":3017,"word_count":292,"indexable":182},453,"67116","No, la respuesta, podemos ayudar a liderar esa respuesta, pero tiene que pasar por toda una generación.",2511.46,2516.58,{"idx":3019,"utterance_id":3020,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3021,"start_s":3022,"end_s":3023,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},454,"67117","Y entonces me gustaría escucharte.",2517.14,2518.1,{"idx":3025,"utterance_id":3026,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3027,"start_s":3028,"end_s":3029,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},455,"67118","¿Por qué crees que tantos jóvenes dejaron de creer en Brasil?",2519.22,2523.72,{"idx":3031,"utterance_id":3032,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3033,"start_s":3034,"end_s":3035,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},456,"67119","y dejaron de creer en la política.",2524.2,2525.92,{"idx":3037,"utterance_id":3038,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3039,"start_s":3040,"end_s":3041,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},457,"67120","¿Qué tienes que decirles a esos jóvenes?",2526.34,2528.02,{"idx":3043,"utterance_id":3044,"speaker_name":973,"text":3045,"start_s":3046,"end_s":3047,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},458,"67121","Mira, en un primer momento, no querría quitarles la razón.",2528.4,2533.94,{"idx":3049,"utterance_id":3050,"speaker_name":973,"text":3051,"start_s":3052,"end_s":3053,"word_count":304,"indexable":182},459,"67122","Pero, en un segundo momento, tenemos que entender que la diferencia entre el antídoto y el veneno es la dosis.",2534.7,2544.24,{"idx":3055,"utterance_id":3056,"speaker_name":973,"text":3057,"start_s":3058,"end_s":3059,"word_count":171,"topic_slug":900,"topic_label":901,"target_id":3060,"target_proposition":3061,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":566,"rationale":3062,"indexable":432},460,"67123","Entonces, el remedio para mejorar esto, la forma... No es que te vayas a la antipolítica, no es que te vayas a la desconstrucción, tampoco es hacer espectáculo ni buscar una solución fácil.",2545.24,2561.62,"ce0e7553-790b-4df8-9ba1-a716e7114c85","incentivar la participación política constructiva","Afirma que el antídoto no es la antipolítica ni soluciones fáciles.",{"idx":3064,"utterance_id":3065,"speaker_name":973,"text":3066,"start_s":3067,"end_s":3068,"word_count":49,"indexable":182},461,"67124","Grabas un video de un minuto en YouTube y dices: no, Brasil se va a resolver así, así está todo resuelto.",2561.82,2567.74,{"idx":3070,"utterance_id":3071,"speaker_name":973,"text":3072,"start_s":3073,"end_s":3074,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},462,"67125","No es así, es un poco más complejo.",2567.84,2569.82,{"idx":3076,"utterance_id":3077,"speaker_name":973,"text":3078,"start_s":3079,"end_s":3080,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},463,"67126","Así que no les vamos a quitar la razón a las personas.",2570.74,2573.66,{"idx":3082,"utterance_id":3083,"speaker_name":973,"text":3084,"start_s":3085,"end_s":3086,"word_count":292,"indexable":182},464,"67127","por estar descreídos, porque una parte de la política contribuyó mucho a que la gente se desconfiara y perdiera la fe.",2574.26,2581.84,{"idx":3088,"utterance_id":3089,"speaker_name":973,"text":3090,"start_s":3091,"end_s":3092,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},465,"67128","Pero no podemos aceptar ese problema que muchas veces ocurre.",2582.56,2591.02,{"idx":3094,"utterance_id":3095,"speaker_name":973,"text":3096,"start_s":3097,"end_s":3098,"word_count":204,"indexable":182},466,"67129","eso, en un ambiente radicalizado.",2591.12,2592.58,{"idx":3100,"utterance_id":3101,"speaker_name":973,"text":3102,"start_s":3103,"end_s":3104,"word_count":302,"indexable":182},467,"67130","Imagina que el país es una casa y los problemas de la política y de Brasil son como si fuera una infestación de bichos, de ratas en la casa.",2593.54,2602.42,{"idx":3106,"utterance_id":3107,"speaker_name":973,"text":3108,"start_s":3109,"end_s":3110,"word_count":191,"indexable":182},468,"67131","Y entonces.",2603.14,2603.3,{"idx":3112,"utterance_id":3113,"speaker_name":973,"text":3114,"start_s":3115,"end_s":3116,"word_count":196,"topic_slug":2975,"topic_label":2976,"target_id":2977,"target_proposition":2978,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":868,"rationale":3117,"indexable":432},469,"67132","la solución que das para acabar con las ratas es prender fuego a la casa, quemar toda la casa.",2603.38,2609.28,"Usa una metáfora para criticar soluciones radicales y extremistas.",{"idx":3119,"utterance_id":3120,"speaker_name":973,"text":3121,"start_s":3122,"end_s":3123,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},470,"67133","Entonces quemaste el país.",2609.68,2610.7,{"idx":3125,"utterance_id":3126,"speaker_name":973,"text":3127,"start_s":3128,"end_s":3129,"word_count":60,"indexable":182},471,"67134","Así que cuidado con esas soluciones, que son soluciones falsas, que equivaldrían a prender fuego a la casa para acabar con los bichos.",2610.82,2620.3,{"idx":3131,"utterance_id":3132,"speaker_name":973,"text":3133,"start_s":3134,"end_s":3135,"word_count":204,"indexable":182},472,"67135","Quemaste la casa.",2620.38,2621.32,{"idx":3137,"utterance_id":3138,"speaker_name":973,"text":3139,"start_s":3140,"end_s":3141,"word_count":357,"indexable":182},473,"67136","Entonces, es importante decirle a la juventud esto, decirles así: miren... Tengamos calma, miremos con calma y pensemos de la manera correcta cómo vencer estos problemas y superar estos desafíos.",2622.28,2634.9,{"idx":801,"utterance_id":3143,"speaker_name":973,"text":3144,"start_s":3145,"end_s":3146,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":2975,"topic_label":2976,"target_id":2977,"target_proposition":2978,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":3147,"indexable":182},"67137","Y difícilmente una solución radicalizada va a resolverlo.",2635.58,2640.04,"Declara explícitamente que soluciones radicalizadas difícilmente resuelven.",{"idx":3149,"utterance_id":3150,"speaker_name":973,"text":3151,"start_s":3152,"end_s":3153,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},475,"67138","Ahora, tiene que ser un camino que tenga propósito.",2640.66,2644,{"idx":3155,"utterance_id":3156,"speaker_name":973,"text":3157,"start_s":3158,"end_s":3159,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},476,"67139","Tienes que saber a dónde vas a llegar, sabes qué vas a hacer, cómo hacerlo.",2644.8,2647.84,{"idx":3161,"utterance_id":3162,"speaker_name":973,"text":3163,"start_s":3164,"end_s":3165,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},477,"67140","No vas a renunciar a ese camino esencial.",2648.24,2650.8,{"idx":3167,"utterance_id":3168,"speaker_name":973,"text":3169,"start_s":3170,"end_s":3171,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},478,"67141","Tienes que tener mucho propósito.",2651.88,2653.48,{"idx":3173,"utterance_id":3174,"speaker_name":973,"text":3175,"start_s":3176,"end_s":3177,"word_count":191,"indexable":182},479,"67142","de hacerlo.",2653.94,2654.4,{"idx":3179,"utterance_id":3180,"speaker_name":973,"text":3181,"start_s":3182,"end_s":3183,"word_count":228,"topic_slug":57,"topic_label":54,"target_id":3184,"target_proposition":3185,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":868,"rationale":3186,"indexable":432},480,"67143","No puedes ser una persona débil en propuestas, pero la intransigencia no es un camino.",2654.48,2658.18,"6eaf2cfc-2d60-495f-93e7-34c42d7a664c","formular e implementar propuestas políticas concretas","Critica la intransigencia y pide propuestas con propósito.",{"idx":3188,"utterance_id":3189,"speaker_name":973,"text":3190,"start_s":3191,"end_s":3192,"word_count":27,"indexable":182},481,"67144","Así que entendemos que ustedes estén enfadados, tristes, decepcionados con la política, pero el camino no es negar la política, destruir la política o hacer la política de la peor manera, no.",2658.24,2671.22,{"idx":3194,"utterance_id":3195,"speaker_name":973,"text":3196,"start_s":3197,"end_s":3198,"word_count":228,"topic_slug":57,"topic_label":54,"target_id":3184,"target_proposition":3185,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":566,"rationale":3199,"indexable":432},482,"67145","Pongámosla en el carril y hagámosla de una forma que entregue resultados y que tenga propuestas.",2672.22,2676.78,"Pide 'fazer de forma que entregue resultado e tenha proposta'.",{"idx":3201,"utterance_id":3202,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3203,"start_s":3204,"end_s":3205,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},483,"67146","Votaría por ti, voto por ti, pero hablemos a esos jóvenes aquí.",2677,2682.74,{"idx":3207,"utterance_id":3208,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3209,"start_s":3210,"end_s":3211,"word_count":302,"indexable":182},484,"67147","que quizá estén escuchando y dicen: no, bah, me gusta la visión de Tabata, me gusta la visión de João, creo que hay solución, pero no es para mí.",2683.42,2693.28,{"idx":3213,"utterance_id":3214,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3215,"start_s":3216,"end_s":3217,"word_count":292,"indexable":182},485,"67148","Tipo, lo que ellos están diciendo es que otras personas van a ayudarles, 'la política no es para mí'.",2693.94,2698.2,{"idx":3219,"utterance_id":3220,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3221,"start_s":3222,"end_s":3223,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},486,"67149","¿Qué les decimos a esas personas?",2698.94,2700.44,{"idx":3225,"utterance_id":3226,"speaker_name":973,"text":3227,"start_s":3228,"end_s":3229,"word_count":280,"indexable":182},487,"67150","Yo pensaba que no iba a conseguir dar una entrevista, ni hacer un discurso, y fui y lo conseguí.",2700.92,2706.3,{"idx":3231,"utterance_id":3232,"speaker_name":973,"text":3233,"start_s":3234,"end_s":3235,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},488,"67151","Y creo que lo hago bien.",2707.42,2708.5,{"idx":3237,"utterance_id":3238,"speaker_name":973,"text":2917,"start_s":3239,"end_s":3240,"word_count":191,"indexable":182},489,"67152",2708.54,2710.34,{"idx":3242,"utterance_id":3243,"speaker_name":973,"text":3244,"start_s":3245,"end_s":3246,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":900,"topic_label":901,"target_id":3247,"target_proposition":3248,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":1527,"rationale":3249,"indexable":432},490,"67153","Es decir así, todo el mundo puede contribuir de alguna manera.",2711.1,2713.24,"98d87e1d-2a9f-4133-9987-b82d783b31d6","incentivar la participación política ciudadana","Afirma que 'todo mundo pode contribuir' e incentiva el compromiso.",{"idx":3251,"utterance_id":3252,"speaker_name":973,"text":3253,"start_s":3254,"end_s":3255,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},491,"67154","Todo el mundo puede contribuir de alguna manera.",2713.76,2715.52,{"idx":3257,"utterance_id":3258,"speaker_name":973,"text":3259,"start_s":3260,"end_s":3261,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},492,"67155","Procura pensar en el otro siempre, pensar en el otro.",2716.76,2722.7,{"idx":3263,"utterance_id":3264,"speaker_name":973,"text":3265,"start_s":3266,"end_s":3267,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},493,"67156","Tener sentido de colectividad es muy importante en política.",2724.04,2726.88,{"idx":3269,"utterance_id":3270,"speaker_name":973,"text":3271,"start_s":3272,"end_s":3273,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},494,"67157","Así que cualquier sentido individualista dificulta la construcción de una sociedad.",2726.94,2732.14,{"idx":3275,"utterance_id":3276,"speaker_name":973,"text":3277,"start_s":3278,"end_s":3279,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},495,"67158","Y cada uno puede contribuir de alguna manera.",2733.54,2735.38,{"idx":3281,"utterance_id":3282,"speaker_name":973,"text":3283,"start_s":3284,"end_s":3285,"word_count":464,"indexable":182},496,"67159","Así, hay un tipo que se pondrá la camiseta en tiempo de Mundial, hay otro que se pondrá la camiseta número 10 y estará en la delantera, hay uno que estará en el medio campo, hay un lateral, está el portero, pero para eso",2736.56,2747.68,{"idx":3287,"utterance_id":3288,"speaker_name":973,"text":3289,"start_s":3290,"end_s":3291,"word_count":184,"indexable":182},497,"67160","hay",2748.16,2748.24,{"idx":3293,"utterance_id":3294,"speaker_name":973,"text":3295,"start_s":3296,"end_s":3297,"word_count":215,"indexable":182},498,"67161","un entrenador, hay un preparador físico, hay un preparador de porteros, hay un tipo que hoy usa Big Data para... poder definir cuál es el mejor momento para hacer el cambio.",2748.28,2758,{"idx":3299,"utterance_id":3300,"speaker_name":973,"text":3301,"start_s":3302,"end_s":3303,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},499,"67162","Está el tipo que se ocupa de la preparación de la comida para la gente.",2758.52,2762,{"idx":3305,"utterance_id":3306,"speaker_name":973,"text":3307,"start_s":3308,"end_s":3309,"word_count":292,"indexable":182},500,"67163","Hay quien va a transportar, quien va a conducir el camión o ambos para llevar a la gente hasta allí.",2762.1,2767.26,{"idx":3311,"utterance_id":3312,"speaker_name":973,"text":3313,"start_s":3314,"end_s":3315,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},501,"67164","Todos están contribuyendo para que una selección gane una Copa del Mundo.",2768.18,2772.38,{"idx":3317,"utterance_id":3318,"speaker_name":973,"text":3319,"start_s":3320,"end_s":3321,"word_count":198,"indexable":182},502,"67165","A su manera.",2772.8,2773.58,{"idx":3323,"utterance_id":3324,"speaker_name":973,"text":3325,"start_s":3326,"end_s":3327,"word_count":407,"topic_slug":900,"topic_label":901,"target_id":3247,"target_proposition":3248,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":3328,"rationale":3329,"indexable":432},503,"67166","La sensación que da es que, cuando dices así, quieres ayudar en la política, es como si... Como si estuvieras convocando a todo el mundo para ser el número 10, el capitán del equipo, el goleador que va a levantar la copa.",2774.44,2785.52,0.8,"Analogía futbolística defiende papeles diversos en la política.",{"idx":3331,"utterance_id":3332,"speaker_name":973,"text":3333,"start_s":3334,"end_s":3335,"word_count":184,"indexable":182},504,"67167","No.",2785.58,2785.74,{"idx":3337,"utterance_id":3338,"speaker_name":973,"text":3339,"start_s":3340,"end_s":3341,"word_count":196,"topic_slug":900,"topic_label":901,"target_id":3247,"target_proposition":3248,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":3342,"indexable":432},505,"67168","Cuando convocamos a la gente para la política, no es para que todos compitan en una elección por un cargo ejecutivo.",2787,2792.34,"Dice que la convocatoria política no es solo disputar cargos, convoca a la participación.",{"idx":3344,"utterance_id":3345,"speaker_name":973,"text":3346,"start_s":3347,"end_s":3348,"word_count":413,"indexable":182},506,"67169","Es para que construyamos un sentido de colectividad, distribuyamos las tareas, para que cada uno aporte su contribución y haga de nuestra ciudad, de nuestro estado, de nuestro país, un lugar más justo y mejor.",2792.86,2805.96,{"idx":3350,"utterance_id":3351,"speaker_name":973,"text":3352,"start_s":3353,"end_s":3354,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},507,"67170","Y por más que odies la política.",2806.92,2809.28,{"idx":3356,"utterance_id":3357,"speaker_name":973,"text":3358,"start_s":3359,"end_s":3360,"word_count":196,"topic_slug":900,"topic_label":901,"target_id":3247,"target_proposition":3248,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":566,"rationale":3361,"indexable":432},508,"67171","Si no formas parte de ella o no ayudas a decidir sobre ella, alguien lo hará por ti.",2810.08,2816.12,"Advierte que, si no participas, otros decidirán por ti.",{"idx":3363,"utterance_id":3364,"speaker_name":973,"text":3365,"start_s":3366,"end_s":3367,"word_count":286,"topic_slug":900,"topic_label":901,"target_id":3247,"target_proposition":3248,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":1480,"rationale":3368,"indexable":432},509,"67172","Así que movilízate en la política, forma parte, cuestiona, critica, sé respetuoso en la política y busca dar alguna contribución.",2816.96,2827.18,"Convocatoria explícita: 'Se mobilize na política, faça parte'.",{"idx":3370,"utterance_id":3371,"speaker_name":973,"text":3372,"start_s":3373,"end_s":3374,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},510,"67173","Para finalizar, voy a decir algo a mi favor.",2827.48,2830.42,{"idx":3376,"utterance_id":3377,"speaker_name":973,"text":3378,"start_s":3379,"end_s":3380,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},511,"67174","Aprendo mucho contigo, todos los días.",2831.1,2834.04,{"idx":3382,"utterance_id":3383,"speaker_name":973,"text":3384,"start_s":3385,"end_s":3386,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},512,"67175","Entonces, quería preguntarte qué has aprendido conmigo.",2834.62,2837.9,{"idx":3388,"utterance_id":3389,"speaker_name":973,"text":3390,"start_s":3391,"end_s":3392,"word_count":351,"indexable":182},513,"67176","si hay algo en tu forma de ver a Brasil, la política, que crees que cambió un poco en estos casi siete años que llevamos juntos.",2839.72,2851.9,{"idx":3394,"utterance_id":3395,"speaker_name":973,"text":3396,"start_s":3397,"end_s":3398,"word_count":228,"indexable":182},514,"67177","Creo que tu manera persistente, en el sentido de soñar y creer, es muy fuerte.",2852.04,2857.94,{"idx":3400,"utterance_id":3401,"speaker_name":973,"text":3402,"start_s":3403,"end_s":3404,"word_count":49,"indexable":182},515,"67178","Muchas veces he visto cosas que dije, Dios mío, olvídalo, no hay ninguna posibilidad, y sin embargo tú vas y lo consigues.",2858,2864.28,{"idx":3406,"utterance_id":3407,"speaker_name":973,"text":3408,"start_s":3409,"end_s":3410,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},516,"67179","Tu forma de soñar y de persistir es muy tuya.",2869.44,2872.3,{"idx":3412,"utterance_id":3413,"speaker_name":973,"text":3414,"start_s":3415,"end_s":3416,"word_count":49,"indexable":182},517,"67180","Entonces, ese mensaje que di al final, creo que refleja mucho tu manera de creer, de querer lo mejor y de no rendirte.",2872.34,2882.26,{"idx":3418,"utterance_id":3419,"speaker_name":973,"text":3420,"start_s":3421,"end_s":3422,"word_count":351,"indexable":182},518,"67181","Eso es... Y la mayoría de las personas que llegan muy lejos, que vuelan muy alto, como es tu caso, y que enseñan mucho, es eso.",2882.98,2891.86,{"idx":3424,"utterance_id":3425,"speaker_name":973,"text":3426,"start_s":3427,"end_s":3428,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},519,"67182","Las personas sueñan, las personas no se rinden.",2891.92,2893.7,{"idx":3430,"utterance_id":3431,"speaker_name":973,"text":3432,"start_s":3433,"end_s":3434,"word_count":191,"indexable":182},520,"67183","No se rinden.",2893.82,2894.4,{"idx":3436,"utterance_id":3437,"speaker_name":973,"text":3438,"start_s":3439,"end_s":3440,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},521,"67184","Porque quien se rinde se queda en el camino.",2895.78,2897.8,{"idx":3442,"utterance_id":3443,"speaker_name":973,"text":3444,"start_s":3445,"end_s":3446,"word_count":49,"indexable":182},522,"67185","Y creo que me enseñas mucho eso, todos los días, a tener buenos propósitos y la energía de no rendirse.",2898.56,2907.28,{"idx":3448,"utterance_id":3449,"speaker_name":973,"text":3450,"start_s":3451,"end_s":3452,"word_count":269,"indexable":182},523,"67186","Eso, de hecho, creo que das una verdadera lección, tu propia vida, ¿no?",2908.1,2912.02,{"idx":3454,"utterance_id":3455,"speaker_name":973,"text":3456,"start_s":3457,"end_s":3458,"word_count":390,"indexable":182},524,"67187","Si alguien que nació donde tú naciste, con los ingresos con los que naciste, en cuanto a ingresos familiares y escolaridad, se mirara desde el punto de vista estadístico, sería muy difícil que estuvieras donde estás.",2912.62,2927.08,{"idx":3460,"utterance_id":3461,"speaker_name":973,"text":3462,"start_s":3463,"end_s":3464,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},525,"67188","que llegaste adonde llegaste y aún vas a llegar mucho más lejos.",2927.74,2930.46,{"idx":3466,"utterance_id":3467,"speaker_name":973,"text":3468,"start_s":3469,"end_s":3470,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},526,"67189","Eso es un ejemplo de sueño y de persistencia.",2930.5,2934.32,{"idx":3472,"utterance_id":3473,"speaker_name":973,"text":3474,"start_s":3475,"end_s":3476,"word_count":269,"indexable":182},527,"67190","Así que no tengo ninguna duda de que me inspiras todos los días con eso.",2934.64,2939.86,{"idx":3478,"utterance_id":3479,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3480,"start_s":3481,"end_s":3482,"word_count":198,"indexable":182},528,"67191","Qué bien, feliz.",2940.12,2941.06,{"idx":3484,"utterance_id":3485,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3486,"start_s":3487,"end_s":3488,"word_count":384,"indexable":182},529,"67192","Y sólo, en fin, no di ejemplos, pero creo que algo que ha ido cambiando en mi relación con la política, por la convivencia contigo, es saber hacer las cosas con mucha alegría y mucha felicidad.",2941.46,2956.66,{"idx":3490,"utterance_id":3491,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3492,"start_s":3493,"end_s":3494,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},530,"67193","Incluso cuando las cosas están muy difíciles.",2957.12,2959,{"idx":3496,"utterance_id":3497,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3498,"start_s":3499,"end_s":3500,"word_count":324,"indexable":182},531,"67194","Sentí mucho, especialmente al comienzo de mi trayectoria, el golpe de los ataques, de las amenazas de muerte, de las denuncias policiales, en fin, las dificultades, los insultos.",2960.48,2971,{"idx":3502,"utterance_id":3503,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3504,"start_s":3505,"end_s":3506,"word_count":49,"indexable":182},532,"67195","Y creo que me costó bastante conseguir reducir eso al tamaño que tiene, que es pequeño, y sentirme muy realizada en el día a día.",2971.7,2980.52,{"idx":3508,"utterance_id":3509,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3510,"start_s":3511,"end_s":3512,"word_count":215,"indexable":182},533,"67196","Y estar en una agenda de calle... Y entender lo maravilloso que es estar allí escuchando a la gente, conversando con la gente, lograr aprobar un proyecto, conseguir moldear la trayectoria de una familia.",2980.58,2990.24,{"idx":3514,"utterance_id":3515,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3516,"start_s":3517,"end_s":3518,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},534,"67197","Y eso te lo debo mucho a ti.",2990.74,2991.96,{"idx":3520,"utterance_id":3521,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3522,"start_s":3523,"end_s":3524,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},535,"67198","Vamos a trabajar 12, 18 horas al día.",2992.78,2994.66,{"idx":3526,"utterance_id":3527,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3528,"start_s":3529,"end_s":3530,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},536,"67199","Vamos a trabajar de domingo a domingo.",2994.7,2996.36,{"idx":3532,"utterance_id":3533,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3534,"start_s":3535,"end_s":3536,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},537,"67200","Nos van a insultar, nos van a atacar.",2996.76,2998.32,{"idx":3538,"utterance_id":3539,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3540,"start_s":3541,"end_s":3542,"word_count":196,"indexable":182},538,"67201","Siempre es mejor hacer eso con una sonrisa en la cara y con el corazón abierto que con el ceño fruncido.",2999.38,3004.52,{"idx":3544,"utterance_id":3545,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3546,"start_s":3547,"end_s":3548,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},539,"67202","Así que eso me parece muy bueno.",3005.08,3006.24,{"idx":3550,"utterance_id":3551,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3552,"start_s":3553,"end_s":3554,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},540,"67203","Para quien quiera creer en Brasil, para quien no se ha rendido y no se va a rendir.",3006.44,3010.1,{"idx":3556,"utterance_id":3557,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3558,"start_s":3559,"end_s":3560,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},541,"67204","Qué palabra, qué frase dejas?",3010.74,3013.14,{"idx":3562,"utterance_id":3563,"speaker_name":973,"text":3564,"start_s":3565,"end_s":3566,"word_count":198,"indexable":182},542,"67205","Cree y sueña.",3013.4,3015.82,{"idx":3568,"utterance_id":3569,"speaker_name":973,"text":3570,"start_s":3571,"end_s":3572,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},543,"67206","El sueño es la esencia de la cosa.",3016.16,3018.32,{"idx":3574,"utterance_id":3575,"speaker_name":973,"text":3576,"start_s":3577,"end_s":3578,"word_count":204,"indexable":182},544,"67207","Necesitamos soñar.",3018.36,3019.48,{"idx":3580,"utterance_id":3581,"speaker_name":973,"text":3582,"start_s":3583,"end_s":3584,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},545,"67208","Soñemos con un Brasil mejor y no nos rindamos en este camino.",3019.62,3023.52,{"idx":3586,"utterance_id":3587,"speaker_name":973,"text":3588,"start_s":3589,"end_s":3590,"word_count":204,"indexable":182},546,"67209","Siempre habrá desafíos, siempre.",3024.56,3026.2,{"idx":3592,"utterance_id":3593,"speaker_name":973,"text":3594,"start_s":3595,"end_s":3596,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},547,"67210","Nunca una carretera va a ser sólo una recta sin inclinación.",3026.78,3031.22,{"idx":3598,"utterance_id":3599,"speaker_name":973,"text":3600,"start_s":3601,"end_s":3602,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},548,"67211","Tendrá curvas, tendrá subidas y bajadas.",3031.42,3034.24,{"idx":3604,"utterance_id":3605,"speaker_name":973,"text":3606,"start_s":3607,"end_s":3608,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},549,"67212","Y lo que marcará la diferencia son quienes no se rinden en el camino.",3034.74,3039.94,{"idx":3610,"utterance_id":3611,"speaker_name":973,"text":3612,"start_s":3613,"end_s":3614,"word_count":247,"indexable":182},550,"67213","y que persisten en la caminata y que sueñan durante ese trayecto.",3040.66,3044.44,{"idx":3616,"utterance_id":3617,"speaker_name":973,"text":3618,"start_s":3619,"end_s":3620,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},551,"67214","Así que sueñen mucho y nunca se rindan.",3044.5,3047.2,{"idx":3622,"utterance_id":3623,"speaker_name":973,"text":3624,"start_s":3625,"end_s":3626,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},552,"67215","João, creo que eso es todo.",3047.5,3048.78,{"idx":3628,"utterance_id":3629,"speaker_name":973,"text":3630,"start_s":3631,"end_s":3632,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},553,"67216","¿Quieres dejar algún mensaje final?",3048.9,3050.32,{"idx":3634,"utterance_id":3635,"speaker_name":973,"text":3636,"start_s":3637,"end_s":3638,"word_count":49,"topic_slug":3639,"topic_label":3640,"target_id":3641,"target_proposition":3642,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":1616,"rationale":3643,"indexable":432},554,"67217","No, sólo agradecer y felicitarte por la iniciativa y que tengamos más gente soñando y trabajando por una política mejor, más inclusiva.",3050.7,3062.86,"reconstrucao-economica-e-inclusao-social","Reconstrucción e inclusión","f3f35985-14eb-49cf-883e-67ecafaa3749","promover la inclusión social y la igualdad de oportunidades","Pide más gente trabajando por 'uma política melhor, mais inclusiva'.",{"idx":3645,"utterance_id":3646,"speaker_name":973,"text":3647,"start_s":3648,"end_s":3649,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},555,"67218","Y agradecer por no solo inspirarme, sino inspirar a tanta gente en todo Brasil.",3064.24,3068.48,{"idx":3651,"utterance_id":3652,"speaker_name":973,"text":3653,"start_s":3654,"end_s":3655,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},556,"67219","Y eso es todo, vamos adelante.",3069.24,3070.5,{"idx":3657,"utterance_id":3658,"speaker_name":973,"text":3659,"start_s":3660,"end_s":3661,"word_count":292,"indexable":182},557,"67220","Y lo bueno de hablar del futuro es que es donde todos quieren vivir, incluyéndonos a nosotros.",3071.2,3076.24,{"idx":3663,"utterance_id":3664,"speaker_name":973,"text":3665,"start_s":3666,"end_s":3667,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},558,"67221","Así que vámonos, a construir ese futuro.",3076.3,3078.38,{"idx":3669,"utterance_id":3670,"speaker_name":973,"text":3671,"start_s":3672,"end_s":3673,"word_count":184,"indexable":182},559,"67222","De acuerdo.",3078.44,3078.84,{"idx":3675,"utterance_id":3676,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3677,"start_s":3678,"end_s":3679,"word_count":228,"indexable":182},560,"67223","Gente, ésta fue una de las entrevistas más difíciles de hacer, porque me moría de vergüenza.",3079.38,3084.34,{"idx":3681,"utterance_id":3682,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3683,"start_s":3684,"end_s":3685,"word_count":196,"indexable":182},561,"67224","Quien me conoce sabe que estoy toda bravona, súper valiente, para pelear con los hombres, para luchar por los proyectos.",3084.82,3092.16,{"idx":3687,"utterance_id":3688,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3689,"start_s":3690,"end_s":3691,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},562,"67225","Pero si se habla de vida personal, me pongo toda roja.",3092.74,3095.3,{"idx":3693,"utterance_id":3694,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3695,"start_s":3696,"end_s":3697,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},563,"67226","Así que estaba ahí muriéndome de vergüenza en la entrevista.",3095.34,3097.52,{"idx":3699,"utterance_id":3700,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3701,"start_s":3702,"end_s":3703,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},564,"67227","Pero espero que les haya gustado.",3097.9,3099.72,{"idx":3705,"utterance_id":3706,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3707,"start_s":3708,"end_s":3709,"word_count":236,"indexable":182},565,"67228","En fin, estoy aquí grabando este episodio desde São Paulo.",3101.16,3103.44,{"idx":3711,"utterance_id":3712,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3713,"start_s":3714,"end_s":3715,"word_count":204,"indexable":182},566,"67229","Mucha gente pregunta, ¿no?",3103.96,3104.9,{"idx":3717,"utterance_id":3718,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3719,"start_s":3720,"end_s":3721,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},567,"67230","Trabajo y vivo en São Paulo.",3105.06,3107.06,{"idx":3723,"utterance_id":3724,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3725,"start_s":3726,"end_s":3727,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},568,"67231","Tipo, sería imposible que yo fuera una buena diputada.",3107.48,3110.4,{"idx":3729,"utterance_id":3730,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3731,"start_s":3732,"end_s":3733,"word_count":21,"indexable":182},569,"67232","O al menos muy difícil, si no estuviera aquí con la gente, visitando las ONGs, los hospitales, caminando por la calle, ¿sabes?",3110.92,3117.74,{"idx":3735,"utterance_id":3736,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3737,"start_s":3738,"end_s":3739,"word_count":198,"indexable":182},570,"67233","Conociendo las cosas.",3117.8,3118.74,{"idx":3741,"utterance_id":3742,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3743,"start_s":3744,"end_s":3745,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},571,"67234","Trabajo en Brasilia de martes a jueves.",3118.8,3121.06,{"idx":3747,"utterance_id":3748,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3749,"start_s":3750,"end_s":3751,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},572,"67235","Y trabajo y vivo aquí en São Paulo de jueves a martes, ¿no?",3121.64,3124.56,{"idx":3753,"utterance_id":3754,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3755,"start_s":3756,"end_s":3757,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},573,"67236","Martes y jueves está un poco dividido.",3125.14,3126.42,{"idx":3759,"utterance_id":3760,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3761,"start_s":3762,"end_s":3763,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},574,"67237","Y ahí las dinámicas van cambiando, ¿no?",3127.04,3128.88,{"idx":3765,"utterance_id":3766,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3767,"start_s":3768,"end_s":3769,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},575,"67238","Llevamos casi siete años juntos.",3128.92,3130.64,{"idx":3771,"utterance_id":3772,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3773,"start_s":3774,"end_s":3775,"word_count":189,"indexable":182},576,"67239","Pero en este momento voy un domingo sí, un domingo no a Pernambuco.",3131.22,3135.72,{"idx":3777,"utterance_id":3778,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3779,"start_s":3780,"end_s":3781,"word_count":198,"indexable":182},577,"67240","Es muy poquito.",3136.14,3136.78,{"idx":3783,"utterance_id":3784,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3785,"start_s":3786,"end_s":3787,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},578,"67241","Nos morimos de nostalgia.",3137.32,3138.62,{"idx":962,"utterance_id":3789,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3790,"start_s":3791,"end_s":3792,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},"67242","Pero bromeamos que Dios va preparando los caminos.",3139.1,3142.2,{"idx":3794,"utterance_id":3795,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3796,"start_s":3797,"end_s":3798,"word_count":286,"indexable":182},580,"67243","Y si hemos llegado hasta aquí, Dios va a ayudar y llegaremos mucho más lejos.",3143.08,3147.3,{"idx":3800,"utterance_id":3801,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3802,"start_s":3803,"end_s":3804,"word_count":198,"indexable":182},581,"67244","Pero eso es 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O sea, fue a firmar la autorización de uso de imagen, ¿no?",3149.74,3153.02,{"idx":3818,"utterance_id":3819,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3820,"start_s":3821,"end_s":3822,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},584,"67247","Él, mira, tengo que firmar esto.",3153.12,3154.68,{"idx":3824,"utterance_id":3825,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3826,"start_s":3827,"end_s":3828,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},585,"67248","¿Él no dice, 'fui yo', verdad?",3154.72,3155.58,{"idx":3830,"utterance_id":3831,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3832,"start_s":3833,"end_s":3834,"word_count":204,"indexable":182},586,"67249","¿Tengo que firmar esto?",3155.84,3156.72,{"idx":3836,"utterance_id":3837,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3838,"start_s":3839,"end_s":3840,"word_count":181,"indexable":182},587,"67250","Le dije, hijo, has firmado cosas mucho peores en el registro civil, ¿sabes?",3157.14,3160.36,{"idx":3842,"utterance_id":3843,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3844,"start_s":3845,"end_s":3846,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},588,"67251","Matrimonio, división de bienes, sólo firma el uso de la imagen.",3160.74,3163.54,{"idx":3848,"utterance_id":3849,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3850,"start_s":3851,"end_s":3852,"word_count":222,"indexable":182},589,"67252","Entonces firmó y quedó todo bien.",3163.88,3165.22,{"idx":3854,"utterance_id":3855,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3856,"start_s":3857,"end_s":3858,"word_count":204,"indexable":182},590,"67253","Quería agradecer mucho.",3165.66,3166.74,{"idx":3860,"utterance_id":3861,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3862,"start_s":3863,"end_s":3864,"word_count":4,"indexable":182},591,"67254","Sabes que me siento un poco avergonzada así, delante",3166.9,3169.34,{"idx":3866,"utterance_id":3867,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3868,"start_s":3869,"end_s":3870,"word_count":43,"indexable":182},592,"67255","de la cámara, para mí es más fácil tratar con gente, pero es un deseo muy antiguo, de verdad, hace ya algunos años que pienso en esto.",3169.66,3177.88,{"idx":3872,"utterance_id":3873,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3874,"start_s":3875,"end_s":3876,"word_count":292,"indexable":182},593,"67256","de estar más cerca, de conversar, ¿sabes?, red social, tipo, un tuit, un minuto, si no la gente no ve.",3178.46,3184.44,{"idx":3878,"utterance_id":3879,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3880,"start_s":3881,"end_s":3882,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},594,"67257","¿Qué cabe en un tuit?",3184.84,3185.7,{"idx":3884,"utterance_id":3885,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3886,"start_s":3887,"end_s":3888,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},595,"67258","¿Qué cabe en un minuto?",3185.74,3186.7,{"idx":3890,"utterance_id":3891,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3892,"start_s":3893,"end_s":3894,"word_count":210,"indexable":182},596,"67259","Conversaciones profundas, con seguridad no.",3187.04,3188.8,{"idx":3896,"utterance_id":3897,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3898,"start_s":3899,"end_s":3900,"word_count":470,"indexable":182},597,"67260","Y quizá sólo para finalizar, invité a estas dos personas maravillosas que admiro mucho en la política para que soñemos Brasil, pero creo que vale hablar un poco del sueño, ¿no?, que tengo, que tenemos para esta ciudad en la cual nací, crecí y vivo.",3188.9,3206.42,{"idx":3902,"utterance_id":3903,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3904,"start_s":3905,"end_s":3906,"word_count":280,"indexable":182},598,"67261","Y obviamente que nuestra trayectoria, nuestra historia moldean mucho la lente con la que vemos el mundo.",3208.16,3213.34,{"idx":3908,"utterance_id":3909,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3910,"start_s":3911,"end_s":3912,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},599,"67262","Y mi trayectoria estuvo muy marcada por las desigualdades.",3213.92,3216.5,{"idx":3914,"utterance_id":3915,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3916,"start_s":3917,"end_s":3918,"word_count":286,"indexable":182},600,"67263","Sabes, yo fui de la A a la Z. Conozco desde la extrema pobreza hasta el lujo extremo de São Paulo.",3217.06,3224.08,{"idx":3920,"utterance_id":3921,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3922,"start_s":3923,"end_s":3924,"word_count":253,"indexable":182},601,"67264","Y eso es lo que me mueve, porque eso es lo que me incomoda.",3225.1,3227.4,{"idx":3926,"utterance_id":3927,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3928,"start_s":3929,"end_s":3930,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},602,"67265","No es una crítica contra la élite paulistana.",3228.7,3231.66,{"idx":3932,"utterance_id":3933,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3934,"start_s":3935,"end_s":3936,"word_count":217,"indexable":182},603,"67266","Algunas cosas se pueden criticar, ¿no?",3232.34,3233.6,{"idx":3938,"utterance_id":3939,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3940,"start_s":3941,"end_s":3942,"word_count":196,"indexable":182},604,"67267","Pero es un comentario sobre una ciudad con tanto dinero, con tantas cosas, que simplemente no llega para todo el mundo.",3234.2,3240.38,{"idx":3944,"utterance_id":3945,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3946,"start_s":3947,"end_s":3948,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":1420,"topic_label":1421,"target_id":3949,"target_proposition":3950,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":566,"rationale":3951,"indexable":432},605,"67268","Y mi sueño es tan simple como querer que el hijo del pobre tenga las mismas oportunidades que el hijo del rico.",3241.46,3247.72,"df42c6ba-068f-4370-976e-36e5054cee4d","garantizar igualdad de oportunidades entre hijos de pobres y ricos","Declara explícitamente su 'sonho' por igualdad de oportunidades.",{"idx":3953,"utterance_id":3954,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3955,"start_s":3956,"end_s":3957,"word_count":230,"indexable":182},606,"67269","Y es difícil poner eso en práctica, ¿no?",3248.28,3249.72,{"idx":3959,"utterance_id":3960,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3961,"start_s":3962,"end_s":3963,"word_count":302,"indexable":182},607,"67270","Y no puede ser por casualidad, no puede ser solo por suerte o por un esfuerzo hercúleo que dependa de 40 mil cosas que pasen como me pasó a mí.",3250.4,3258.8,{"idx":3965,"utterance_id":3966,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3967,"start_s":3968,"end_s":3969,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":3970,"target_proposition":3971,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":317,"rationale":3972,"indexable":432},608,"67271","Se trata de que podamos caminar por la calle con seguridad.",3260.48,3262.48,"11993152-d0b9-4f41-a0eb-92fd12657921","garantizar la seguridad pública","Define el objetivo de 'andar na rua em segurança', indicando apoyo a la seguridad 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esfuerza será médico.",3275.34,3282.1,"Afirma que la escuela debe posibilitar la movilidad social, defendiendo la educación pública de calidad.",{"idx":3990,"utterance_id":3991,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3992,"start_s":3993,"end_s":3994,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":2485,"target_proposition":2486,"stance":316,"stance_confidence":430,"rationale":3995,"indexable":432},611,"67274","Sabemos que hoy no es eso lo que pasa.",3282.6,3284.56,"Afirma que la realidad actual no ofrece esa movilidad — descripción crítica del estado presente.",{"idx":3997,"utterance_id":3998,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":3999,"start_s":4000,"end_s":4001,"word_count":304,"topic_slug":4002,"topic_label":4003,"target_id":4004,"target_proposition":4005,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":2946,"rationale":4006,"indexable":182},612,"67275","Entonces, si la ciudad más rica, más increíble que tenemos en este país no puede proporcionar eso... ¿Para qué, sabes?",3284.74,3293.6,"politicas-urbanas","Políticas Urbanas","15c71b01-bab5-4388-a27c-12a1a94b7f18","redistribuir recursos municipales para financiar servicios públicos básicos","Cuestiona la utilidad de una ciudad rica si no provee servicios básicos, sugiriendo redistribución.",{"idx":4008,"utterance_id":4009,"speaker_name":176,"speaker_slug":177,"text":4010,"start_s":4011,"end_s":4012,"word_count":210,"topic_slug":4002,"topic_label":4003,"target_id":4004,"target_proposition":4005,"stance":565,"stance_confidence":4013,"rationale":4014,"indexable":182},613,"67276","¿Para qué toda esa riqueza?",3294.06,3295.34,0.68,"Interrogación retórica sobre 'essa riqueza' implica apoyo al uso social de los 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