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Renan fala ao SBT Brasil sobre propostas para a Presidência, em série de entrevistas | #SBTBrasil
405 statements · 1 politicians · September 21, 2026 · 30 min
Statements by Renan Santos. 405 transcribed statements, with topic and stance on the ones the analysis classified. Topics: Combating Impunity, Opinion Polls, Affirmative action, Diversity Policies.
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SBT Brasil will now interview the presidential candidate for Missão, Renan Santos.
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Joining me are presenter Marina De Mori and SBT News analyst Basília Rodrigues.
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Good evening to my colleagues.
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Candidate, good evening to you, thank you very much.
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And from now on your time starts to run.
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The first question I ask you is the following.
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Our reporting has found that in recent days Flávio Bolsonaro's campaign has reportedly begun contacting teams of candidates more aligned with the right, already eyeing future alliances for the second round.
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Has your team already been contacted by Flávio Bolsonaro?
People connected to him.
First, good evening to everyone present here.
It's an honor to be here at SBT again and to be able to lay out all the points and bring the truth about everything.
So I will not dodge any question.
I won't dodge this one either.
There were people linked to his group.
who got in touch with mutual friends, saying, look, would you be up for a conversation?
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About: formar alianças eleitorais com pessoas envolvidas em escândalos de corrupção
I say this: talking with Flávio's crew is tantamount to forming a criminal gang.
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About: formar alianças eleitorais com pessoas envolvidas em escândalos de corrupção
I don't associate with people who are involved in the worst corruption scandals in our history.
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About: formar alianças eleitorais com pessoas envolvidas em escândalos de corrupção
I would never give up anything in my campaign to take part in anything involving that man.
Today images were released of him taking part in a safari with Willer Thomas and Everton Rocha, both part of the central pivot of the NSS scandal.
And Willer Thomas is, in fact, a hidden partner in his firm.
I can't mix with those people.
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About: formar alianças eleitorais com pessoas envolvidas em escândalos de corrupção
I think it's outrageous that in Brazil people would dare to mix with one criminal to get rid of another.
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Does that mean that in a possible second round, without you, you will not recommend voting for Flávio Bolsonaro?
That means that in the second round I am Renan Santos, number 14, always.
I'm mobilizing a generation of people around the country, packing events, without needing to pay us or bring obligated public employees, like Lula's and Flávio's campaigns are doing at their events.
And I'm mobilizing a huge youth movement that is saying no, we don't believe we need to depend on two criminals to change the country; we can point our own path.
So I will be with Renan—myself—in the second round.
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Marina.
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Candidate, good evening.
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Thank you once again for the interview.
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I'd like to talk about the numbers in the electoral polls.
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We've seen a recent drop in the latest polls, at least the more traditional ones, in the voting intentions for your name.
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The Quest poll, which was released just a short while ago, for example, shows you in fifth place in this electoral race.
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In the first round, behind Lula, Flávio, also Augusto Cury and Ronaldo Caiado, you appear with 3% of the voting intentions.
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I ask you, what is missing for you to be able to turn all the engagement—first, linked to the history of the MBL—and your engagement on social media into voting intentions?
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What's missing?
It's definitely not lacking in Quest, because in Quest I have always appeared with 3%.
Since January I have been at many degrees of magnitude larger than I was — in networks the size of my event — I am the campaign with the largest number of private donors, people participating, I am much better known, I have taken part in interviews and debates on television, and they keep me always at 3%.
Either there is a very serious methodological problem in this poll by Felipe Nunes, or Felipe Nunes does what many other research institutes in Brazilian history used to do, which is cater to the wishes of certain clients.
I don't take that guy seriously, I never have.
and don't take Quest's phone-survey methodology seriously.
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Is there any poll you believe in?
Atlas, Power, Real Time, Big Data.
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About: priorizar pesquisas eleitorais por internet para captar eleitores engajados
I think everyone who works with the methodologies the world has been using with greater emphasis — that is, the internet, using a voter who is more engaged — I think this tends to present and anticipate results with greater accuracy.
And in all those polls, curiously, I appear better.
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About: realizar pesquisas eleitorais por amostragem de rua para medir intenção de voto
I think street polls, like Datafolha, produce results... good only on the eve [of the election].
They can't capture the movement and formation of public opinion, the formation of a trend.
Quest also works with street surveys.
I think today they are poor.
They can't capture the kind of voter who shapes opinion around them.
When you survey a person who has no intention of voting, their voting intention is low, and if they are captured in the middle of the street, they will only do recall.
What is recall?
They will remember the candidates they already know.
This person has a low degree of conviction within the community they live in, which could be their family or workplace.
Internet polls capture people who are already more engaged in the voting decision, therefore they capture and anticipate the possibility of multiplication.
That's why, around the world, these polls are becoming more effective.
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Just adding one more data point from this poll, candidate, because it also shows an increase in rejection toward your name.
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In the last poll, you appeared with 30% rejection.
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Today, 35% of voters say they would not vote for you under any circumstances.
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Do you attribute this increase in rejection to your name 14 days before the first round?
I repeat, I don't take the Quest poll seriously.
Today, if it is a Palver poll that places me with 11% voting intentions, and among the terms respondents say why they vote for that candidate, they say he is the candidate who has the most proposals.
That is to say, this is the opposite of a rejected candidate.
It's a candidate people seek out because he has proposals.
So, again, I repeat here, I don't take that institute seriously, I don't take Felipe Nunes of Quest seriously, and I very much regret that broadcasters use him as a reference.
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Well, I would like to learn more about your thinking as a candidate for the Presidency of the Republic and also give you the opportunity to better present yourself to our audience and talk about your proposals.
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The Movimento Brasil Livre, the MBL, where you come from, is sometimes accused of having... supremacist ties, of having neo-Nazi and racist connections and everything that involves this theme, which is quite controversial but needs to be better explained to our electorate, our audience.
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Does Mr. Renan Santos have relations with supremacist movements, as the MBL supposedly does?
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Do you think this could be something that gives you more or fewer votes?
I find this kind of inquiry, accusation, bizarre, because we have to ask: called me a supremacist movement — what is a supremacist?
White?
In a country where most of the population is mixed-race, in a social movement where most members are mixed-race, which was the first right-wing group in Brazil to elect a young black man as city councilor — who was Fernando Holliday, of sad memory, who left our group to pander to bolsonarism.
I think that accusation makes no sense.
We have a young black man, but well voted for state deputy in Brazil, who is Guto Zacarias, who is with great pride our deputy.
These accusations are always very, very empty.
And everyone who is on the right is, to some extent, the target of this kind of comment.
The problem is proving it.
Prove it.
Prove it.
An online profile says this or that, everybody talks.
The issue is to prove it.
They never prove it.
It's always an empty accusation.
The same thing as calling us Nazis.
I was just lecturing at the Jewish community here in São Paulo, producing magazines, plenty of materials against the left- and right-wing antisemitism that is emerging in Generation Z. Today I have a nascent antisemitism.
growing on social networks, worldwide, and we denounce it, then they say, ah, but... ah, but it's 'just loving more', it's nothing.
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Do you think there is a distortion, then, of your image?
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Is that also why you don't appear so well in the polls?
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Because you go against accusations and stigmas that try to attach themselves to your image as a young candidate, linked to a social movement, who has more right-wing ideas.
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Do you think there is...
I think that in the real world nobody cares, because nobody takes those accusations seriously.
In the real world, if the accusation is serious, people take it seriously.
Now, when they take an absurd accusation and throw it at someone whom people perceive has nothing to do with it, the public isn't stupid, the public notices.
These are attacks the left throws at everyone who thinks differently.
So, if you, for example, are opposed to certain practices of the black movement... Even our black members are targets of these accusations.
A young black man in our group is also called a supremacist because he is opposed to certain quota policies.
Wow, so the young black man is a supremacist.
One of our women will be labeled sexist because she is not in favor of certain excesses of the feminist movement.
These are the stigmas the left keeps using and that wear down the term.
And then when everyone becomes a fascist, no one is a fascist.
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And what is your opinion on quotas?
I am the opposite of someone who supports quotas.
On the contrary.
Why?
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About: adopt racial quotas
It is a model hostile to merit; it is a model that seeks to correct, after the fact, a real problem that exists, which is in Brazil's public education.
Young children, of all shades and colors, are subject today to a precarious education.
And education in Brazil is very precarious.
Basic education, by not adopting the phonics method, which is the most certified method in the world for teaching children to read, by not adopting methods and performance indicators to reward.
the families of the children who have better performance, school principals who have better performance and teachers who have better performance, these children arrive poorly prepared to participate in a vestibular and then they will lose spots at universities.
to children who study, for example, in private schools.
When that happens, the State comes and says, ah, no, it's because there is structural racism.
and then the black child — I'll give her a quota.
Now it's quotas for her, for quilombolas, for trans people, for indigenous people.
Then we don't solve the education problem; we give a 'pé de meia', which is a scholarship that costs 12 billion for the child to go to school and not learn anything, and that doesn't solve public education.
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And how do you correct that?
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Because, in any case, the starting point has to be equal for everyone.
That's what I think: the starting point should be equal for everyone.
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But if it isn't, how do you correct it along the way?
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By correcting it.
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About: end the quota system
That's why we're going to, we're going to end the quota regime in five years and transition to a brand-new model.
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About: end the quota system
Every child who is capable of passing a good vestibular, who comes from a public school — white, black, pardo — and the children who are present in public schools are majority pardo, and there is a large presence of black children, especially in the humbler places, the State has to be present, identify them, administer annual tests, look, this child has better performance, I'll give a scholarship to her, see, a scholarship when she's 11, 12 years old, I'll give a scholarship for that child to already go to a better school, either public or private, in that state.
To prepare her for the vestibular, because it is in the State's interest to invest so that this child arrives with high quality to participate in the vestibular on equal terms.
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About: end the quota system
I'm talking about giving money to the families who have these better students in public schools, so that the families invest and understand that education is a value and that their children compete on equal terms.
That will cost less than the 'pé de meia'.
Because the 'pé de meia' model is 12 billion reais, it's in high school, it consumes money.
It goes to the school, it consumes money.
Are they learning anything?
They aren't.
Are they respecting the teacher?
Not necessarily.
They're using their cell phones inside the classroom.
And that doesn't work; it's a policy that is not friendly to merit.
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About: end the quota system
Being a friend of merit is selecting those children who are in those public schools and offering them a good education, creating methods and processes to qualify who are the principals of the best schools, who are the best teachers, giving bonuses to them and going after those talented children, who will be, for example, in any classroom there will be 2 to 3% who will be capable of passing a major vestibular.
And the State should put the money into her.
That special child, that child who will be able to pass the vestibular — and we will find many black, indigenous, trans children, whatever, who are talented — that child will be saved by this investment and will compete in the vestibular.
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Renan, do you think there is racism in Brazil?
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Thinking about policies for the black public in Brazil, which is the majority of the population, right?
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The majority of the population in Brazil is black, this sum of... blacks and pardos.
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You, as a candidate for the Presidency of the Republic, do you have a policy for Brazil's black people?
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And I'd like you to also state your opinion on racism in the country.
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About: adopt intersectional policies on gender, race, and class
First, I think there is racism in Brazil.
Second, I don't make that accumulation like 'pardo is black' — no; pardo is pardo, black is black, white is white, you have a very large racial mixture in Brazil, so I will not import that American model.
which they call the one-drop rule, which is, in fact, racist.
Because Americans do the following: if you have a little bit of black blood in your family, it means you were tainted.
I don't believe in that.
I think a pardo person can be proud and protective of their black, indigenous, white, European origin — it doesn't matter.
I think we cannot work with those categories imported from the United States.
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About: não adotar categorias raciais importadas no desenho de políticas públicas
My government will not operate that way.
I will not import that.
I will offer opportunities and look at... What are the problems that beset black and pardo families in Brazil, who are, according to the IBGE, poorer than white families?
First thing, violence.
Second, employment.
Third, cost of living.
Fourth, housing and favelization.
These are the issues that make these people suffer the most.
And that's where I'm going to strike.
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About: implement a national plan to eliminate favelas and combat fraud in housing programs
I am the only candidate who has a proposal for desfavelização in Brazil, to transform neighborhoods, the favelas, in fact, into neighborhoods.
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About: adopt varied strategies to combat organized crime
I am the candidate who has the toughest policies for confronting organized crime.
Moreover, in this election... if you'll allow me to comment, there was a lot said about femicide in the election interviews.
But they forgot about the deaths of black and pardo people, who are the biggest victims of violence overall in Brazil.
Pardo men, black men, and women — for example pardo and black women — make up 67% of femicide cases.
So this problem exists, but in this election no one asked about it.
I was not questioned.
And why do I think there was no questioning about it?
Because people are taking as a given that a part of the population can be treated like animals, and I don't agree with that.
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About: implementar políticas de habitação para reduzir pobreza entre famílias negras e pardas
I think structural policies involve housing, involve employment, involve public security and necessarily involve reducing the cost of living.
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Candidate, you spoke about public security and in one of your recent speeches you mentioned militarizing Brazil.
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Where would that militarization begin?
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And when we talk about this issue, we know that it also encompasses other sectors.
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It extends to education, it extends to the very desfavelização.
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In the case of desfavelização, for example, would you use military force to remove families from where they live or to prevent new occupations from happening?
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No, because that is not in my government plan.
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I also do not use the term 'militarization of Brazil.'
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But you used it in a speech this past weekend.
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About: declare a state of war against criminal factions
I can militarize schools, I can declare war on organized crime.
The term 'militarize Brazil' — I'm not sure it's precise to describe what I intend to do.
As for a policy of civilization, it's the opposite of that.
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About: provide social housing for families in high-risk areas
No one will be expelled from where they are living.
We will transform those places into neighborhoods.
Now, if a person lives on a slope that can be swept away during a flash flood or a flood, yes, that person will have to move and we will build buildings in other places to rehouse those dwellings.
Because every time there is a climate disaster in Brazil, the people who suffer the most are those who live on slopes.
Just look at what happened now in Juiz de Fora.
Not now, right?
This year.
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It was a disaster.
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