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So during the period we're about to begin, you who are watching will be able to see the timer running, okay?",185.74,201.1,44,{"idx":54,"utterance_id":345,"speaker_name":174,"text":346,"start_s":347,"end_s":348,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},"157097","And the candidate, and everyone here in our studio, as well.",201.22,205.56,{"idx":350,"utterance_id":351,"speaker_name":174,"text":352,"start_s":353,"end_s":354,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},30,"157098","Timer on the screen — go.",206.2,208.16,{"idx":356,"utterance_id":357,"speaker_name":174,"text":358,"start_s":359,"end_s":360,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},31,"157099","There you go, 30 minutes for us to fill.",208.18,210.58,{"idx":15,"utterance_id":362,"speaker_name":174,"text":363,"start_s":364,"end_s":365,"word_count":239,"indexable":178},"157100","Candidate, I'll open the line of questioning with a question and then, folks, you can feel free once Gabriel finishes answering to also start to 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You know about their survey.",682.38,685.94,{"idx":910,"utterance_id":911,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":912,"start_s":913,"end_s":914,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},124,"157192","There is a sum in the billions that could go into our coffers to take care of our accounts if, for example, mining could be better audited.",686.52,695.94,{"idx":916,"utterance_id":917,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":918,"start_s":919,"end_s":920,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},125,"157193","We are talking about a range of more than 10 billion reais in tax evasion.",695.96,699.2,{"idx":922,"utterance_id":923,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":924,"start_s":925,"end_s":926,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},126,"157194","If placed in the treasury with the tax audit working as it should, we would already have the deficit zeroed.",699.6,705.28,{"idx":928,"utterance_id":929,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":930,"start_s":931,"end_s":932,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},127,"157195","And you raise another point that is fundamental.",705.52,707.44,{"idx":934,"utterance_id":935,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":936,"start_s":937,"end_s":938,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},128,"157196","This current government loves to criticize benefits when they are for the poorest people.",708.12,713.12,{"idx":940,"utterance_id":941,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":942,"start_s":943,"end_s":944,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},129,"157197","When it's for the most disadvantaged, they need to go to church.",713.64,716.9,{"idx":946,"utterance_id":947,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":948,"start_s":949,"end_s":950,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},130,"157198","They're failing to understand that the government looks after the less fortunate before those who have a 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without knowing the return.",743.24,746.64,{"idx":976,"utterance_id":977,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":978,"start_s":979,"end_s":980,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},135,"157203","I don't want persecution, but in the first 100 days of our government, pay attention to this proposal.",747.1,751.56,{"idx":982,"utterance_id":983,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":984,"start_s":985,"end_s":986,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},136,"157204","Radical transparency.",751.9,752.98,{"idx":988,"utterance_id":989,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":990,"start_s":991,"end_s":992,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},137,"157205","All subsidies will be published and we will have, look at the other proposal, an independent agency with economists, people who think in terms of data, to evaluate whether each public benefit is bringing returns to the public.",753.72,767.32,{"idx":994,"utterance_id":995,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":996,"start_s":997,"end_s":998,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},138,"157206","Orion, see that I can answer you with some authority about the solution.",767.8,772.54,{"idx":1000,"utterance_id":1001,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1002,"start_s":1003,"end_s":1004,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},139,"157207","Yes, we have a strike in the fiscal sector and yes, we have a serious situation that this government is leaving behind.",773.1,779.2,{"idx":1006,"utterance_id":1007,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1008,"start_s":1009,"end_s":1010,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},140,"157208","But if I take care of the auditors, they bring more return to the State.",779.54,783,{"idx":1012,"utterance_id":1013,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1014,"start_s":1015,"end_s":1016,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},141,"157209","And if I put a magnifying glass, a fine-tooth 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many other layers, so we'll also let the other two journalists on our panel talk here with Gabriel, ask him questions, because surely, right folks, this issue goes on and on, right?",799.26,816.18,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":1042,"speaker_name":174,"text":1043,"start_s":1044,"end_s":1045,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},"157214","It extends.",816.24,816.88,{"idx":1047,"utterance_id":1048,"speaker_name":174,"text":1049,"start_s":1050,"end_s":1051,"word_count":169,"indexable":178},147,"157215","I would like to thank, say good evening, thank you for the invitation, the opportunity to participate and I'll pick up on what Orion was already saying which has a bit to do with this issue of tax evasion.",817.52,827.88,{"idx":1053,"utterance_id":1054,"speaker_name":174,"text":1055,"start_s":1056,"end_s":1057,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},148,"157216","Because we're already making a link there with the issue of 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fundamental.",930.34,931.04,{"idx":1178,"utterance_id":1179,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1180,"start_s":1181,"end_s":1182,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},169,"157237","So there's a moral question in all this.",931.06,933.34,{"idx":1184,"utterance_id":1185,"speaker_name":174,"text":1186,"start_s":1187,"end_s":1188,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},170,"157238","Mining, too, included.",933.58,934.82,{"idx":1190,"utterance_id":1191,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1192,"start_s":1193,"end_s":1194,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},171,"157239","Important to remember that this government has deep corruption scandals that unite... in a broad front, the state environment and the federal environment.",935.22,946.32,{"idx":1196,"utterance_id":1197,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1198,"start_s":1199,"end_s":1200,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},172,"157240","It's from the right to the left, putting their hands in the citizen's 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with all his financial power and corrupts that civil servant.",968.4,974,{"idx":1226,"utterance_id":1227,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1228,"start_s":1229,"end_s":1230,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},177,"157245","And that's what happened with several civil servants at the state and federal level.",974.46,977.82,{"idx":1232,"utterance_id":1233,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1234,"start_s":1235,"end_s":1236,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},178,"157246","So the first point, folks, is that the mining rules have to be very clear.",978.24,982.6,{"idx":1238,"utterance_id":1239,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1240,"start_s":1241,"end_s":1242,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},179,"157247","Second point, Ana, with me no mining begins without us knowing what will happen to that place 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fellow, how good to talk to you and how good to see that you dedicated your life to the education of this state.",1070.96,1075.76,{"idx":1309,"utterance_id":1310,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1311,"start_s":1312,"end_s":1313,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},191,"157259","You know... You understand this topic.",1076.48,1078.26,{"idx":1315,"utterance_id":1316,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1317,"start_s":1318,"end_s":1319,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},192,"157260","And if you follow Minas Gerais' IDEB, you will notice that it has improved.",1078.86,1082.56,{"idx":1321,"utterance_id":1322,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1323,"start_s":1324,"end_s":1325,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},193,"157261","There's one thing, folks, that characterizes me.",1083.02,1085.12,{"idx":1327,"utterance_id":1328,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1329,"start_s":1330,"end_s":1331,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},194,"157262","I'm not the kind who spends time insulting everything in a government.",1085.74,1088.3,{"idx":1333,"utterance_id":1334,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1335,"start_s":1336,"end_s":1337,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},195,"157263","If there's progress, it must be 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that don't serve to teach but to line someone's pockets — education doesn't advance.",1136.92,1157.76,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1405,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1406,"start_s":1407,"end_s":1408,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},"157275","And there's one more thing.",1158.04,1159.08,{"idx":1410,"utterance_id":1411,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1412,"start_s":1413,"end_s":1414,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},208,"157276","I studied at the Military School of Belo Horizonte.",1159.72,1161.92,{"idx":1416,"utterance_id":1417,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1418,"start_s":1419,"end_s":1420,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},209,"157277","There was a uniform, there was a salute, there was marching.",1162.42,1165.4,{"idx":1422,"utterance_id":1423,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1424,"start_s":1425,"end_s":1426,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},210,"157278","But there was something 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it wasn't just once, no.",1281.46,1283.16,{"idx":1541,"utterance_id":1542,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1543,"start_s":1544,"end_s":1545,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},230,"157298","The first time I was robbed, I was on the 2104, going to law school; I'll never forget the gun to my head and my cellphone being taken.",1283.4,1289.62,{"idx":1547,"utterance_id":1548,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1549,"start_s":1550,"end_s":1551,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},231,"157299","Later, leaving a bank downtown, the robber stopped beside me; if it hadn't been for a military police officer exchanging gunfire with him right in Praça Afonso Arinos, I would have lost my life.",1290.08,1298.76,{"idx":1553,"utterance_id":1554,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1555,"start_s":1556,"end_s":1557,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},232,"157300","I was also robbed in São Paulo by 12 drug users who assaulted me; they broke things 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It's an educational process and you are not objects.",1448.26,1453.42,{"idx":1725,"utterance_id":1726,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1727,"start_s":1728,"end_s":1729,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},261,"157329","You, woman listening to me at home, know the following.",1454.18,1457.42,{"idx":1731,"utterance_id":1732,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1733,"start_s":1734,"end_s":1735,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},262,"157330","You don't live for a man.",1457.44,1459.3,{"idx":1737,"utterance_id":1738,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1739,"start_s":1740,"end_s":1741,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},263,"157331","You have your own life, your own desires, and you have every right to be happy and to do what you want.",1459.74,1465.28,{"idx":1743,"utterance_id":1744,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1745,"start_s":1746,"end_s":1747,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},264,"157332","There is no way that Minas Gerais, which has 'liberty' on its flag, would not offer that freedom to women as well.",1466.08,1471.92,{"idx":1749,"utterance_id":1750,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1751,"start_s":1752,"end_s":1753,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},265,"157333","If the land belongs to Dona Beija, to Chica da Silva... Folks, here we know who Ângela Diniz was.",1472.44,1480.06,{"idx":1755,"utterance_id":1756,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1757,"start_s":1758,"end_s":1759,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},266,"157334","Women must not be killed for being women.",1481.3,1483.8,{"idx":1761,"utterance_id":1762,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1763,"start_s":1764,"end_s":1765,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},267,"157335","Our running mate is Maria Helena, four-time city councillor, prosecutor of the City Council of Montes Claros.",1484.64,1491.22,{"idx":1767,"utterance_id":1768,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1769,"start_s":1770,"end_s":1771,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},268,"157336","The idea of zero femicide is hers.",1491.6,1493.66,{"idx":1773,"utterance_id":1774,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1775,"start_s":1776,"end_s":1777,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},269,"157337","It's hers because she didn't join to be a figurehead on this ticket, she came to be a protagonist.",1494.56,1498.94,{"idx":1779,"utterance_id":1780,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1781,"start_s":1782,"end_s":1783,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},270,"157338","How are we going to achieve zero femicide?",1499.3,1501.14,{"idx":1785,"utterance_id":1786,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1787,"start_s":1788,"end_s":1789,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},271,"157339","I was the author in the Belo Horizonte City Council of the zero-fare policy for women who are victims of violence.",1501.94,1507.98,{"idx":1791,"utterance_id":1792,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1793,"start_s":1794,"end_s":1795,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},272,"157340","So I'll start from the end.",1508.52,1510.16,{"idx":1797,"utterance_id":1798,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1799,"start_s":1800,"end_s":1801,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},273,"157341","A woman who has been threatened or suffered violence must have a state 'restart' 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'restart' network integrates social assistance, health, security, because every woman has the right to be happy and to start over.",1531.1,1538.92,{"idx":1827,"utterance_id":1828,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1829,"start_s":1830,"end_s":1831,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},278,"157346","But I don't want — and I say this looking you in the eye — for any woman to die because she is a woman.",1539.64,1544.64,{"idx":1833,"utterance_id":1834,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1835,"start_s":1836,"end_s":1837,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},279,"157347","It's not simple, but it's the minimum we will guarantee.",1545,1548.42,{"idx":1839,"utterance_id":1840,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1841,"start_s":1842,"end_s":1843,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},280,"157348","How?",1548.64,1548.94,{"idx":1845,"utterance_id":1846,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1847,"start_s":1848,"end_s":1849,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},281,"157349","It's useless, like now, for the government to give a piece of paper with a protective order to the person.",1549.44,1554.14,{"idx":1851,"utterance_id":1852,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1853,"start_s":1854,"end_s":1855,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},282,"157350","That doesn't work.",1554.16,1555.26,{"idx":1857,"utterance_id":1858,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1859,"start_s":1860,"end_s":1861,"word_count":400,"indexable":178},283,"157351","By the way, I read today that the government announced a mobile app, I believe it will be called 'Maria Mineira', that integrates services so that a woman can also have the location of someone who is... possibly assaulting her.",1555.3,1570.48,{"idx":1863,"utterance_id":1864,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1865,"start_s":1866,"end_s":1867,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},284,"157352","This is an idea that was in our government plan.",1570.84,1573.16,{"idx":1869,"utterance_id":1870,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1871,"start_s":1872,"end_s":1873,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},285,"157353","But it's no use creating an app if the State is not truly integrated.",1573.76,1578.28,{"idx":1875,"utterance_id":1876,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1877,"start_s":1878,"end_s":1879,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},286,"157354","That's the improvement of what's not working.",1578.72,1581.58,{"idx":1881,"utterance_id":1882,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1883,"start_s":1884,"end_s":1885,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},287,"157355","The integration has to be as follows.",1581.7,1583.5,{"idx":1887,"utterance_id":1888,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1889,"start_s":27,"end_s":1890,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},288,"157356","When a woman obtains the protective order, there should be a tracker on that individual so that any proximity alerts the woman who is at risk.",1592.62,{"idx":1892,"utterance_id":1893,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1894,"start_s":1895,"end_s":1896,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},289,"157357","That alerts the police so the State can intervene before a femicide occurs.",1592.98,1597.86,{"idx":1898,"utterance_id":1899,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1900,"start_s":1901,"end_s":1902,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},290,"157358","And there's still a fundamental point in this story, which is that we must recognize — see, I went from the end to the beginning — that men have to take up the issue of femicide.",1598.38,1607.94,{"idx":1904,"utterance_id":1905,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1906,"start_s":1907,"end_s":1908,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},291,"157359","First, there are politicians who don't believe in femicide.",1608.54,1611.26,{"idx":1910,"utterance_id":1911,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1912,"start_s":1913,"end_s":1914,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},292,"157360","Woman killed with a chainsaw, woman killed at home by her husband, woman thrown off a cliff here in Belo Horizonte — and there are people who don't believe it.",1612.64,1621.92,{"idx":1916,"utterance_id":1917,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1918,"start_s":1919,"end_s":1920,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},293,"157361","See, do you know why this happens?",1622.6,1624.76,{"idx":1922,"utterance_id":1923,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1924,"start_s":1925,"end_s":1926,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},294,"157362","Because there are men who believe that women... are made to be objects of the household, not people.",1624.82,1630.6,{"idx":1928,"utterance_id":1929,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1930,"start_s":1931,"end_s":1932,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},295,"157363","We need to make very clear that women are made to be whatever they want to be.",1631.08,1635.76,{"idx":1934,"utterance_id":1935,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1936,"start_s":1937,"end_s":1938,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},296,"157364","Women are made to vote, to participate in elections, to decide the destinies of Brazil and of Minas Gerais.",1636.32,1642.34,{"idx":1940,"utterance_id":1941,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":1942,"start_s":1943,"end_s":1944,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},297,"157365","And in our government, with Maria Helena by my side, I guarantee to you: zero femicide.",1642.68,1648.52,{"idx":1946,"utterance_id":1947,"speaker_name":174,"text":1948,"start_s":1949,"end_s":1950,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},298,"157366","Now we're moving on to our final stretch.",1648.8,1650.96,{"idx":1952,"utterance_id":1953,"speaker_name":174,"text":1954,"start_s":1955,"end_s":1956,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},299,"157367","So, folks, let's be concise with the questions, because we only have six minutes, okay?",1650.98,1655.92,{"idx":1958,"utterance_id":1959,"speaker_name":174,"text":1960,"start_s":1961,"end_s":1962,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},300,"157368","Okay, Gabriel.",1656.42,1656.96,{"idx":1964,"utterance_id":1965,"speaker_name":174,"text":1966,"start_s":1967,"end_s":1968,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},301,"157369","Go ahead.",1657.3,1657.52,{"idx":1970,"utterance_id":1971,"speaker_name":174,"text":1972,"start_s":1973,"end_s":1974,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},302,"157370","I've already asked this question to some candidates; I haven't yet been convinced by a realistic proposal.",1658.06,1662.94,{"idx":1976,"utterance_id":1977,"speaker_name":174,"text":1978,"start_s":1979,"end_s":1980,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},303,"157371","All the candidates make rather grandiose speeches about defending health, education and public security.",1663.74,1669.6,{"idx":1982,"utterance_id":1983,"speaker_name":174,"text":1984,"start_s":1985,"end_s":1986,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},304,"157372","But the issue of water — water in Minas Gerais.",1670.12,1673.06,{"idx":1988,"utterance_id":1989,"speaker_name":174,"text":1990,"start_s":1986,"end_s":1991,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},305,"157373","Three million people in Minas Gerais don't have treated water; nearly eight million also lack basic sanitation.",1680.68,{"idx":1993,"utterance_id":1994,"speaker_name":174,"text":1995,"start_s":1996,"end_s":1997,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},306,"157374","And the State sold its own company, the water company 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is.",1695.68,1699.68,{"idx":2022,"utterance_id":2023,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2024,"start_s":2025,"end_s":2026,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},311,"157379","He's the person I'm going to appoint as State Secretary of the Environment.",1700.12,1703,{"idx":2028,"utterance_id":2029,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2030,"start_s":2031,"end_s":2032,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},312,"157380","His résumé shows that I am concerned with biodiversity, waste, and water.",1703.4,1707.34,{"idx":2034,"utterance_id":2035,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2036,"start_s":2037,"end_s":2038,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},313,"157381","By the way, I am a doctoral candidate in Environmental Law.",1707.58,1710,{"idx":2040,"utterance_id":2041,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2042,"start_s":2043,"end_s":2044,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},314,"157382","And we cannot tolerate that Minas Gerais still fails to treat more than 40% of its sewage.",1710.42,1715.7,{"idx":2046,"utterance_id":2047,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2048,"start_s":2049,"end_s":2050,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},315,"157383","This is a commitment: to meet the sanitation targets by 2033.",1716.22,1720.64,{"idx":2052,"utterance_id":2053,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2054,"start_s":2055,"end_s":2056,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},316,"157384","How, Oriol?",1721.5,1722.02,{"idx":22,"utterance_id":2058,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2059,"start_s":2060,"end_s":2061,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},"157385","Arçai cannot be merely ornamental.",1722.58,1724.72,{"idx":2063,"utterance_id":2064,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2065,"start_s":2066,"end_s":2067,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},318,"157386","Our regulatory agency must be working together with the private sector, ensuring that the pipelines function so that every sewage point in the State becomes a treatment facility.",1725.1,1736.2,{"idx":2069,"utterance_id":2070,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2071,"start_s":2072,"end_s":2073,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},319,"157387","There's another point.",1736.68,1737.86,{"idx":2075,"utterance_id":2076,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2077,"start_s":2078,"end_s":2079,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},320,"157388","There is a person who inspires me greatly: Apolo Eríngia.",1738.38,1740.84,{"idx":2081,"utterance_id":2082,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2083,"start_s":2084,"end_s":2085,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},321,"157389","For us to divide our state very clearly in terms of care, from the headwaters to where the river reaches the border of Minas Gerais.",1741.56,1749.06,{"idx":2087,"utterance_id":2088,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2089,"start_s":2090,"end_s":2091,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},322,"157390","Identifying each of the points following the model of what he did in the Manuelzão project.",1749.5,1753.78,{"idx":2093,"utterance_id":2094,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2095,"start_s":2096,"end_s":2097,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},323,"157391","That's why we could — and I did this with him — swim in Santo Hipólito, where there had been sewage and fish returned.",1754.16,1759.48,{"idx":2099,"utterance_id":2100,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2101,"start_s":2102,"end_s":2103,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},324,"157392","So it's with José Cláudio Junqueira, with açaí fortificada, meeting the targets by 2033 and valuing this water resource.",1759.9,1767.74,{"idx":2105,"utterance_id":2106,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2107,"start_s":2108,"end_s":2109,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},325,"157393","From the source to the border, we will take care of the waters in Minas Gerais.",1768.02,1771.46,{"idx":2111,"utterance_id":2112,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2113,"start_s":2114,"end_s":2115,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},326,"157394","Candidate,",1771.54,1772.1,{"idx":2117,"utterance_id":2118,"speaker_name":174,"text":2119,"start_s":2120,"end_s":2121,"word_count":473,"indexable":178},327,"157395","We're coming to the end here, but I have a question, folks, and afterwards we'll come back commenting on this scenario and, of course, this grilling, which is to wrap up, because many times your temperament in the political arena is exploited by public opinion and, of course, by your opponents.",1772.22,1789.48,{"idx":2123,"utterance_id":2124,"speaker_name":174,"text":2125,"start_s":2126,"end_s":2127,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},328,"157396","How do you intend, in the scenario of, of course, being elected, to deal with these outbursts?",1789.68,1795.6,{"idx":2129,"utterance_id":2130,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2131,"start_s":2132,"end_s":2133,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},329,"157397","The way I'm handling them here.",1796.72,1797.82,{"idx":2135,"utterance_id":2136,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2137,"start_s":2138,"end_s":2139,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},330,"157398","It would be very convenient for me to simply say that nobody showed up to cause trouble and leave.",1799.8,1805.56,{"idx":2141,"utterance_id":2142,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2143,"start_s":2144,"end_s":2145,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},331,"157399","To be upset that I wasn't here with the others.",1806.26,1809.38,{"idx":2147,"utterance_id":2148,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2149,"start_s":2150,"end_s":2151,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},332,"157400","Or feeling wronged, because I would be facing very well-prepared journalists, with no clear time limits and with rules that have just changed.",1809.94,1816.88,{"idx":2153,"utterance_id":2154,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2155,"start_s":2156,"end_s":2157,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},333,"157401","But here is a completely calm and willing guy, because there's something that comes with time.",1817.32,1822.9,{"idx":2159,"utterance_id":2160,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2161,"start_s":2162,"end_s":2163,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},334,"157402","Maturity, folks.",1823.6,1824.9,{"idx":2165,"utterance_id":2166,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2167,"start_s":2168,"end_s":2169,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},335,"157403","I'm 40 years old; I'm one of the youngest candidates.",1825.88,1829.58,{"idx":2171,"utterance_id":2172,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2173,"start_s":2174,"end_s":2175,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},336,"157404","Among those who were absent, the youngest.",1829.84,1832.1,{"idx":2177,"utterance_id":2178,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2179,"start_s":2180,"end_s":2181,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},337,"157405","And we make mistakes in life.",1832.58,1833.58,{"idx":2183,"utterance_id":2184,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2185,"start_s":2186,"end_s":2187,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},338,"157406","But I learned that everyone has the opportunity to improve themselves.",1834.3,1838.6,{"idx":2189,"utterance_id":2190,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2191,"start_s":2192,"end_s":2193,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},339,"157407","Because those who don't change, change nothing.",1839.26,1841.62,{"idx":2195,"utterance_id":2196,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2197,"start_s":2198,"end_s":2199,"word_count":239,"indexable":178},340,"157408","And if my flaw in politics was, at several times in life, having been a little more fierce, it's because I know that to confront bus company owners in Belo Horizonte, I had to fight.",1842.34,1853.28,{"idx":2201,"utterance_id":2202,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2203,"start_s":2204,"end_s":2205,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},341,"157409","To put an end to the mess that was in the City Council, I had to fight.",1854,1858.36,{"idx":2207,"utterance_id":2208,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2209,"start_s":2210,"end_s":2211,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},342,"157410","To have 20 years of public life with a clean record.",1859.06,1861.7,{"idx":2213,"utterance_id":2214,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2215,"start_s":2216,"end_s":2217,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},343,"157411","Being without a stain of corruption is not something done easily.",1861.74,1865.58,{"idx":2219,"utterance_id":2220,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2221,"start_s":2222,"end_s":2223,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},344,"157412","But if my flaw in public life, in the face of so much Banco Master, Daniel Vorcaro, Operação Rejeito and so many other corruptions, is having lost my patience a little in the past, people of Minas Gerais, rest assured.",1866.14,1880.32,{"idx":2225,"utterance_id":2226,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2227,"start_s":2228,"end_s":2229,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},345,"157413","I am super patient.",1880.78,1881.96,{"idx":2231,"utterance_id":2232,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2233,"start_s":2234,"end_s":2235,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},346,"157414","With joy in my heart and a desire to take care of the people of Minas Gerais, with all the energy of someone who is 40 years old and willing to wake up early, sleep late, not fall into provocation and follow a plan.",1882.36,1896.04,{"idx":2237,"utterance_id":2238,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2239,"start_s":2240,"end_s":2241,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},347,"157415","Here is a guy inspired by Juscelino Kubitschek, with his binomial 'roads and energy', who managed to make Minas Gerais develop.",1896.44,1904.18,{"idx":2243,"utterance_id":2244,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2245,"start_s":2246,"end_s":2247,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},348,"157416","Here is a guy who is indeed 40 years old and was born after Tancredo Neves had just died.",1904.6,1909.52,{"idx":2249,"utterance_id":2250,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2251,"start_s":2252,"end_s":2253,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},349,"157417","But I know that from the balcony of the Palácio da Liberdade, he shouted that Minas Gerais' first commitment is to liberty.",1910,1916.76,{"idx":2255,"utterance_id":2256,"speaker_name":408,"speaker_slug":409,"text":2257,"start_s":2258,"end_s":2259,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},350,"157418","I tell you with great calm: I have changed, and I have changed for the 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critique, of being looked at with a critical eye.",2325.6,2336.84,{"idx":2800,"utterance_id":2801,"speaker_name":174,"text":2802,"start_s":2803,"end_s":2804,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},441,"157509","And so, look, there's no way we can go on without talking about the contradictions of some candidates.",2337.58,2343.92,{"idx":2806,"utterance_id":2807,"speaker_name":174,"text":2808,"start_s":2809,"end_s":2810,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},442,"157510","Remembering that Minas Gerais was at the center of national press attention because of Cleitinho Azevedo's back-and-forth.",2344.46,2353.94,{"idx":2812,"utterance_id":2813,"speaker_name":174,"text":2814,"start_s":2815,"end_s":2816,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},443,"157511","who for several weeks, actually almost months, did not take a position on whether he would or would not be a candidate for the State 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Orion?",2390.4,2393.68,{"idx":2836,"utterance_id":2837,"speaker_name":174,"text":2838,"start_s":2839,"end_s":2840,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},447,"157515","Look, Duda, this campaign has been marked by soap operas, right?",2394.4,2397.6,{"idx":2842,"utterance_id":2843,"speaker_name":174,"text":2844,"start_s":2845,"end_s":2846,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},448,"157516","So, let's add one more here — it's about Rodrigo Pacheco.",2398.08,2400.72,{"idx":2848,"utterance_id":2849,"speaker_name":174,"text":2850,"start_s":2851,"end_s":2852,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},449,"157517","After come-and-goes — Pacheco was or wasn't a candidate — he delayed the electoral process by more than a year, right?",2401.2,2406.62,{"idx":2854,"utterance_id":2855,"speaker_name":174,"text":2856,"start_s":2857,"end_s":2858,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},450,"157518","So, we had Pacheco, Cleitinho and now we had a turnaround this week with Aécio Neves.",2406.66,2411.86,{"idx":2860,"utterance_id":2861,"speaker_name":174,"text":2862,"start_s":2863,"end_s":2864,"word_count":239,"indexable":178},451,"157519","coming back from the past to run for senator — he who wasn't — he even issued a statement that he would no longer be a candidate, that he would no longer be a parliamentary representative of Minas Gerais, and would be only a party president.",2412.2,2426.12,{"idx":2866,"utterance_id":2867,"speaker_name":174,"text":2868,"start_s":2869,"end_s":2870,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},452,"157520","However, there was now a turnaround: he removed two Senate candidates from the ticket, whose ticket leader is Calil, and he will be the only candidate for senator on that ticket.",2426.32,2435.84,{"idx":2872,"utterance_id":2873,"speaker_name":174,"text":2874,"start_s":2875,"end_s":2876,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},453,"157521","This shows that Minas Gerais lacked political leaders.",2436.16,2439.42,{"idx":2878,"utterance_id":2879,"speaker_name":174,"text":2880,"start_s":2881,"end_s":2882,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},454,"157522","They didn't plan their electoral campaign, they didn't plan for the State's problems, they didn't organize themselves in that regard.",2439.76,2445.84,{"idx":2884,"utterance_id":2885,"speaker_name":174,"text":2886,"start_s":2887,"end_s":2888,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},455,"157523","Are you saying, then, that the former PSDB candidate for the Senate seat didn't resign, that he was forced out, is that it?",2445.86,2453.86,{"idx":2890,"utterance_id":2891,"speaker_name":174,"text":2892,"start_s":2893,"end_s":2894,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},456,"157524","Look, there are layers, right?",2453.88,2456.28,{"idx":2896,"utterance_id":2897,"speaker_name":174,"text":2898,"start_s":2899,"end_s":2900,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},457,"157525","Exactly how it happened — were they invited to leave their mandates, or were they placed there strategically so that Aécio could assess and resolve his future?",2456.58,2466.66,{"idx":627,"utterance_id":2902,"speaker_name":174,"text":2903,"start_s":2904,"end_s":2905,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},"157526","Because Aécio has already been a candidate.",2466.86,2468.1,{"idx":2907,"utterance_id":2908,"speaker_name":174,"text":2909,"start_s":2910,"end_s":2911,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},459,"157527","for President of the Republic, for governor, and now is a senator.",2468.32,2471.18,{"idx":2913,"utterance_id":2914,"speaker_name":174,"text":2915,"start_s":2916,"end_s":2917,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},460,"157528","He who is a federal deputy today.",2471.46,2473.2,{"idx":2919,"utterance_id":2920,"speaker_name":174,"text":2921,"start_s":2922,"end_s":2923,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},461,"157529","So, what I mean is that I see his role, like that of Romeu Zema, former governor, is not to run for a mandate and to contest this election again.",2473.56,2482,{"idx":2925,"utterance_id":2926,"speaker_name":174,"text":2927,"start_s":2928,"end_s":2929,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},462,"157530","It is to prevent the extinction of their own parties.",2482.38,2485.58,{"idx":2931,"utterance_id":2932,"speaker_name":174,"text":2933,"start_s":2934,"end_s":2935,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},463,"157531","Romeu Zema is fulfilling this mission to prevent Novo from disappearing and failing to meet the electoral threshold clause, in the same way as Aécio Neves' PSDB.",2486,2493.94,{"idx":2937,"utterance_id":2938,"speaker_name":174,"text":2939,"start_s":2940,"end_s":2941,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},464,"157532","There are people who find it difficult to accept that their time has passed, right?",2494.2,2498.2,{"idx":2943,"utterance_id":2944,"speaker_name":174,"text":2945,"start_s":2946,"end_s":2947,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},465,"157533","Do you think this happens in the Minas Gerais scenario?",2498.24,2500.74,{"idx":2949,"utterance_id":2950,"speaker_name":174,"text":2951,"start_s":2952,"end_s":2953,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},466,"157534","Want to start?",2502.64,2503.2,{"idx":2955,"utterance_id":2956,"speaker_name":174,"text":2957,"start_s":2958,"end_s":2959,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},467,"157535","Let's go.",2504.04,2504.32,{"idx":2961,"utterance_id":2962,"speaker_name":174,"text":2963,"start_s":2964,"end_s":2965,"word_count":169,"indexable":178},468,"157536","So, I know this isn't that simple, but I think people, in various layers of human life, should understand their best moment to stop, because you choose the moment to stop, right?",2504.96,2516.46,{"idx":2967,"utterance_id":2968,"speaker_name":174,"text":2969,"start_s":2970,"end_s":2971,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},469,"157537","This applies a lot to the political field, but it also applies even to football, and so there's a broader provocation.",2518.4,2524,{"idx":2973,"utterance_id":2974,"speaker_name":174,"text":2975,"start_s":2976,"end_s":2977,"word_count":414,"indexable":178},470,"157538","But, returning to this, I wanted to bring up, because this election, within these soap operas, comes to break with what is most basic, which is this thing of a certain planning, a certain care and attention to detail.",2524.66,2537.76,{"idx":2979,"utterance_id":2980,"speaker_name":174,"text":2981,"start_s":2982,"end_s":2983,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},471,"157539","The dates, which you had there... a whole timetable, anyway.",2537.8,2542.56,{"idx":2985,"utterance_id":2986,"speaker_name":174,"text":2987,"start_s":2988,"end_s":2989,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},472,"157540","And also the pre-campaign, which is when a whole debate is held about what the candidate is.",2543.08,2548.36,{"idx":2991,"utterance_id":2992,"speaker_name":174,"text":2993,"start_s":2994,"end_s":2995,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},473,"157541","The candidate begins to have that discussion about the State's problems and you have two of these candidates who stayed away from that debate.",2549.1,2555.32,{"idx":2997,"utterance_id":2998,"speaker_name":174,"text":2999,"start_s":3000,"end_s":3001,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},474,"157542","So, Cleitinho, when he was in that 'will he or won't he' phase, he excused himself from having that debate.",2555.7,2560.34,{"idx":3003,"utterance_id":3004,"speaker_name":174,"text":3005,"start_s":3006,"end_s":3007,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},475,"157543","Aécio, likewise.",2560.92,2562.16,{"idx":3009,"utterance_id":3010,"speaker_name":174,"text":3011,"start_s":3012,"end_s":3013,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},476,"157544","So, when he entered, the way he did, he stopped discussing the State during that pre-campaign period.",2562.24,2569.74,{"idx":3015,"utterance_id":3016,"speaker_name":174,"text":3017,"start_s":3018,"end_s":3019,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},477,"157545","from the perspective of that representative of Minas Gerais' Upper Chamber in Congress.",2571.28,2577.5,{"idx":3021,"utterance_id":3022,"speaker_name":174,"text":3023,"start_s":3024,"end_s":3025,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},478,"157546","I think in that sense it becomes greatly impoverished.",2577.92,2580.36,{"idx":3027,"utterance_id":3028,"speaker_name":174,"text":3029,"start_s":3030,"end_s":3031,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},479,"157547","And I think it's even worse if that is part of a strategy.",2580.9,2584.58,{"idx":3033,"utterance_id":3034,"speaker_name":174,"text":3035,"start_s":3036,"end_s":3037,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},480,"157548","Because to the extent that you don't announce that you are a candidate, you are also not scrutinized.",2585.8,2589.6,{"idx":3039,"utterance_id":3040,"speaker_name":174,"text":3041,"start_s":3042,"end_s":3043,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},481,"157549","It leaves things somewhat in suspense.",2590.64,2592.26,{"idx":3045,"utterance_id":3046,"speaker_name":174,"text":3047,"start_s":3048,"end_s":3049,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},482,"157550","I think in that sense, agreeing with Corion... It's a soap opera, but it's a bad soap opera, with a misguided script, so to speak.",2592.62,2602.88,{"idx":3051,"utterance_id":3052,"speaker_name":174,"text":3053,"start_s":3054,"end_s":3055,"word_count":350,"indexable":178},483,"157551","Now, Guilherme and Ana, I would like us to assess a little this behavior of candidates not putting themselves out there, of not meeting the press.",2602.9,2616.1,{"idx":3057,"utterance_id":3058,"speaker_name":174,"text":3059,"start_s":3060,"end_s":3061,"word_count":485,"indexable":178},484,"157552","What we saw here a little while ago, and what we've also seen nationally — many states are going through the same thing, as we in the Minas press are — demonstrates a certain shrugging-off by politicians toward the press we study, as we know.",2616.56,2637.24,{"idx":3063,"utterance_id":3064,"speaker_name":174,"text":3065,"start_s":3066,"end_s":3067,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},485,"157553","It's the fourth estate.",2637.52,2638.34,{"idx":3069,"utterance_id":3070,"speaker_name":174,"text":3071,"start_s":3072,"end_s":3073,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},486,"157554","How do you think this is taking shape, Ana?",2638.86,2642.62,{"idx":3075,"utterance_id":3076,"speaker_name":174,"text":3077,"start_s":3078,"end_s":3079,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},487,"157555","Look, I think first of all it's disrespectful to the public, to your team who did a brilliant job.",2642.76,2650.9,{"idx":3081,"utterance_id":3082,"speaker_name":174,"text":3083,"start_s":3084,"end_s":3085,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},488,"157556","of organizing the whole studio,",2651.02,2653.84,{"idx":3087,"utterance_id":3088,"speaker_name":174,"text":3089,"start_s":3090,"end_s":3091,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},489,"157557","etc.,",2653.9,2654.14,{"idx":3093,"utterance_id":3094,"speaker_name":174,"text":3095,"start_s":3096,"end_s":3097,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},490,"157558","and especially to the TV and radio audience, in short, to everyone who should be hearing the candidates' proposals.",2654.86,2662.14,{"idx":3099,"utterance_id":3100,"speaker_name":174,"text":3101,"start_s":3102,"end_s":3103,"word_count":377,"indexable":178},491,"157559","I think they're, unfortunately, betting on social networks, thinking that social networks will solve this voting issue, complementing a bit what Orion and Guilherme said here.",2662.18,2676.88,{"idx":3105,"utterance_id":3106,"speaker_name":174,"text":3107,"start_s":3108,"end_s":3109,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},492,"157560","I think... this issue of politics being made backstage, with more weight given to parties.",2677.36,2686.04,{"idx":3111,"utterance_id":3112,"speaker_name":174,"text":3113,"start_s":3114,"end_s":3115,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},493,"157561","I think the parties have somewhat lost their characteristics.",2686.08,2688.6,{"idx":3117,"utterance_id":3118,"speaker_name":174,"text":3119,"start_s":3120,"end_s":3121,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},494,"157562","You have politicians who were adversaries who have united, and conversely, politicians who were allies and who today are adversaries.",2688.68,2698.68,{"idx":3123,"utterance_id":3124,"speaker_name":174,"text":3125,"start_s":3126,"end_s":3127,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},495,"157563","That is, what we perceive is the politics of 'me alone'.",2699.12,2703.98,{"idx":3129,"utterance_id":3130,"speaker_name":174,"text":3131,"start_s":3132,"end_s":3133,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},496,"157564","I am enough for myself, regardless of the party, regardless of allies or adversaries and even of the press itself.",2705.08,2711.44,{"idx":3135,"utterance_id":3136,"speaker_name":174,"text":3137,"start_s":3138,"end_s":3139,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},497,"157565","Me, my campaign on TikTok, my campaign on Instagram, that's enough for me.",2711.98,2716.6,{"idx":3141,"utterance_id":3142,"speaker_name":174,"text":3143,"start_s":3144,"end_s":3145,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},498,"157566","And is that sustainable?",2716.64,2717.74,{"idx":3147,"utterance_id":3148,"speaker_name":174,"text":3149,"start_s":3150,"end_s":3151,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},499,"157567","No chance in the medium term.",2719.16,2721.02,{"idx":3153,"utterance_id":3154,"speaker_name":174,"text":3155,"start_s":3156,"end_s":3157,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},500,"157568","I think that's very misguided, okay, Guilherme?",2721.12,2722.84,{"idx":3159,"utterance_id":3160,"speaker_name":174,"text":3161,"start_s":3162,"end_s":3163,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},501,"157569","If you allow me here.",2722.92,2723.64,{"idx":3165,"utterance_id":3166,"speaker_name":174,"text":3167,"start_s":3168,"end_s":3169,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},502,"157570","Please.",2723.9,2724.22,{"idx":3171,"utterance_id":3172,"speaker_name":174,"text":3173,"start_s":3174,"end_s":3175,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},503,"157571","It started today, exactly this Friday.",2724.26,2726.86,{"idx":3177,"utterance_id":3178,"speaker_name":174,"text":3179,"start_s":3180,"end_s":3181,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},504,"157572","The free electoral program.",2727.8,2729.66,{"idx":3183,"utterance_id":3184,"speaker_name":174,"text":3185,"start_s":3186,"end_s":3187,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},505,"157573","The TV and radio program.",2729.68,2730.64,{"idx":3189,"utterance_id":3190,"speaker_name":174,"text":3191,"start_s":3192,"end_s":3193,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},506,"157574","I think so, it's the last opportunity for candidates to try to change this picture that was created by social networks, that's true.",2730.96,2737.92,{"idx":3195,"utterance_id":3196,"speaker_name":174,"text":3197,"start_s":3198,"end_s":3199,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},507,"157575","But this social media picture has been static since December of last year.",2738.32,2743.82,{"idx":3201,"utterance_id":3202,"speaker_name":174,"text":3203,"start_s":3204,"end_s":3205,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},508,"157576","Cleitinho remains at 30%; since then he hasn't gained a point, nor has he lost one.",2744.08,2749.38,{"idx":3207,"utterance_id":3208,"speaker_name":174,"text":3209,"start_s":3210,"end_s":3211,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},509,"157577","It was his merit.",2750.5,2751.24,{"idx":3213,"utterance_id":3214,"speaker_name":174,"text":3215,"start_s":3216,"end_s":3217,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},510,"157578","So his challenge now is to maintain this lead to make it to the second round.",2751.34,2754.12,{"idx":3219,"utterance_id":3220,"speaker_name":174,"text":3221,"start_s":3222,"end_s":3223,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},511,"157579","I don't even know if it's merit, you see, Orion?",2754.14,2755.46,{"idx":3225,"utterance_id":3226,"speaker_name":174,"text":3227,"start_s":3228,"end_s":3229,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},512,"157580","Because insofar as he spent months in the air and didn't fly, he also did not suffer any kind of attack.",2755.52,2762.32,{"idx":3231,"utterance_id":3232,"speaker_name":174,"text":3233,"start_s":3234,"end_s":3235,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},513,"157581","And now he doesn't participate in any debates either.",2763.18,2766.22,{"idx":3237,"utterance_id":3238,"speaker_name":174,"text":3239,"start_s":3240,"end_s":3241,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},514,"157582","So he's sparing himself.",2766.24,2768.2,{"idx":3243,"utterance_id":3244,"speaker_name":174,"text":3245,"start_s":3246,"end_s":3247,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},515,"157583","What Guilherme said: you shorten the campaign.",2768.22,2770.18,{"idx":3249,"utterance_id":3250,"speaker_name":174,"text":3251,"start_s":3252,"end_s":3253,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},516,"157584","The campaign should be six months; today it's 30 days.",2770.2,2774.2,{"idx":3255,"utterance_id":3256,"speaker_name":174,"text":3257,"start_s":3258,"end_s":3259,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},517,"157585","It's being increasingly shortened.",2774.48,2775.74,{"idx":3261,"utterance_id":3262,"speaker_name":174,"text":3263,"start_s":3264,"end_s":3265,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},518,"157586","A new character has appeared, Aécio Neves, former governor, former senator, former deputy.",2775.8,2780.44,{"idx":3267,"utterance_id":3268,"speaker_name":174,"text":3269,"start_s":3270,"end_s":3271,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},519,"157587","In any case, he should have been taking part in the scrutiny in general for longer.",2780.66,2783.34,{"idx":3273,"utterance_id":3274,"speaker_name":174,"text":3275,"start_s":3276,"end_s":3277,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},520,"157588","Given the scale of the problems, the magnitude of our difficulties, he should be under scrutiny by everyone.",2783.6,2788.78,{"idx":3279,"utterance_id":3280,"speaker_name":174,"text":3281,"start_s":3282,"end_s":3283,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},521,"157589","And another impoverishment of the debate is that thing called political polarization.",2789.26,2792.5,{"idx":3285,"utterance_id":3286,"speaker_name":174,"text":3287,"start_s":3288,"end_s":3289,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},522,"157590","It's an impoverishment of the debate, because if you're not this you're not that, there is no other alternative, there's no plurality anymore.",2792.88,2799.72,{"idx":3291,"utterance_id":3292,"speaker_name":174,"text":3293,"start_s":3294,"end_s":3295,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},523,"157591","But then do you think it was correct or... I don't know, strategic, the PSDB's announcement today saying it's no longer on the right, that it's now part of the centrão?",2799.74,2811.56,{"idx":3297,"utterance_id":3298,"speaker_name":174,"text":3299,"start_s":3300,"end_s":3301,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},524,"157592","They're where they've always been.",2813.28,2814.86,{"idx":3303,"utterance_id":3304,"speaker_name":174,"text":3305,"start_s":3306,"end_s":3307,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},525,"157593","Anyway, PSDB, it was born, right?",2815.56,2818.76,{"idx":3309,"utterance_id":3310,"speaker_name":174,"text":3311,"start_s":3312,"end_s":3313,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},526,"157594","Orion is a professor, like, of all of us, like, please correct me, like.",2819.86,2824.16,{"idx":3315,"utterance_id":3316,"speaker_name":174,"text":3317,"start_s":3318,"end_s":3319,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},527,"157595","But it was born as a center-left party, of a social-democratic origin, and like any party.",2824.52,2830.5,{"idx":3321,"utterance_id":3322,"speaker_name":174,"text":3323,"start_s":3324,"end_s":3325,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},528,"157596","The set of its governability alliances gradually distorted it, pushing it a little bit that way on the political spectrum.",2831.36,2838.08,{"idx":3327,"utterance_id":3328,"speaker_name":174,"text":3329,"start_s":3330,"end_s":3331,"word_count":343,"indexable":178},529,"157597","Having PSDB polarized with PT, a party strongly marked by the left, in the last—practically the last 20 years—it ended up being pushed a bit to the right, because its preferred alliance partner was the PFL, which was a right-wing party.",2839.68,2854.52,{"idx":3333,"utterance_id":3334,"speaker_name":174,"text":3335,"start_s":3336,"end_s":3337,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},530,"157598","And PSDB was a party with cadres, very interesting people.",2855.14,2858.68,{"idx":3339,"utterance_id":3340,"speaker_name":174,"text":3341,"start_s":3342,"end_s":3343,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},531,"157599","They were pronounced social democrats, academics.",2859.38,2862.14,{"idx":3345,"utterance_id":3346,"speaker_name":174,"text":3347,"start_s":3348,"end_s":3349,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},532,"157600","You take the former governor of São Paulo, José Serra, Fernando Henrique Cardoso himself, in short.",2862.16,2867.56,{"idx":3351,"utterance_id":3352,"speaker_name":174,"text":3353,"start_s":3354,"end_s":3355,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},533,"157601","I don't know how this will turn out, notwithstanding that PSDB, unfortunately... it lost that depth.",2868.08,2875.3,{"idx":3357,"utterance_id":3358,"speaker_name":174,"text":3359,"start_s":3360,"end_s":3361,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},534,"157602","But Guilherme, don't you think, I understand this is an analysis of ours—that we follow politics more closely, with a magnifying glass more than the general population.",2875.34,2887.88,{"idx":3363,"utterance_id":3364,"speaker_name":174,"text":3365,"start_s":3366,"end_s":3367,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},535,"157603","Because, folks, for the general population, the impression, the mark is that PSDB was a right-wing party.",2887.92,2895.64,{"idx":3369,"utterance_id":3370,"speaker_name":174,"text":3371,"start_s":3372,"end_s":3373,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},536,"157604","So, for the Brazilian from deep Brazil there, this statement now from the party is kind of disoriented.",2896.32,2906.02,{"idx":3375,"utterance_id":3376,"speaker_name":174,"text":3377,"start_s":3378,"end_s":3379,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},537,"157605","PSDB became squeezed.",2906.08,2907.86,{"idx":3381,"utterance_id":3382,"speaker_name":174,"text":3383,"start_s":3384,"end_s":3385,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},538,"157606","It was a historical adversary of PT for 20 years, so it was on the right.",2908.8,2914.42,{"idx":3387,"utterance_id":3388,"speaker_name":174,"text":3389,"start_s":3390,"end_s":3391,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},539,"157607","But with the advent of bolsonarism, PSDB was... I think several historic parties, like PSDB, MDB, have been left without space in this polarization.",2914.88,2928.34,{"idx":3393,"utterance_id":3394,"speaker_name":174,"text":3395,"start_s":3396,"end_s":3397,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},540,"157608","Seeking that space.",2928.68,2929.7,{"idx":3399,"utterance_id":3400,"speaker_name":174,"text":3401,"start_s":3402,"end_s":3403,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},541,"157609","Because, as she said there, PSDB wasn't right-wing.",2930.1,2933.22,{"idx":3405,"utterance_id":3406,"speaker_name":174,"text":3407,"start_s":3408,"end_s":3409,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},542,"157610","I think these parties grew with reference to PT.",2933.28,2936.1,{"idx":3411,"utterance_id":3412,"speaker_name":174,"text":3413,"start_s":3414,"end_s":3415,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},543,"157611","So you have petismo and antipetismo.",2936.22,2939.34,{"idx":3417,"utterance_id":3418,"speaker_name":174,"text":3419,"start_s":3420,"end_s":3421,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},544,"157612","When PSDB occupied the antipetismo, it had prominence.",2939.36,2943.86,{"idx":3423,"utterance_id":3424,"speaker_name":174,"text":3425,"start_s":3426,"end_s":3427,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},545,"157613","They lost that prominence.",2944.1,2945.62,{"idx":3429,"utterance_id":3430,"speaker_name":174,"text":3431,"start_s":3432,"end_s":3433,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},546,"157614","Today bolsonarism still resists occupying that anti-PT spot.",2946.18,2950.94,{"idx":3435,"utterance_id":3436,"speaker_name":174,"text":3437,"start_s":3438,"end_s":3439,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},547,"157615","Polarization continues to impoverish the debate.",2951,2952.82,{"idx":3441,"utterance_id":3442,"speaker_name":174,"text":3443,"start_s":3444,"end_s":3445,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},548,"157616","And that's why Aécio himself said today, 'now I'm central,' because they're looking for space.",2952.84,2957.3,{"idx":3447,"utterance_id":3448,"speaker_name":174,"text":3449,"start_s":3450,"end_s":3451,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},549,"157617","I'm neither this nor that.",2957.32,2958.6,{"idx":3453,"utterance_id":3454,"speaker_name":174,"text":3455,"start_s":3456,"end_s":3457,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},550,"157618","Where am I?",2959.28,2959.8,{"idx":3459,"utterance_id":3460,"speaker_name":174,"text":3461,"start_s":3462,"end_s":3463,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},551,"157619","Are they conducting decisions?",2959.94,2960.98,{"idx":3465,"utterance_id":3466,"speaker_name":174,"text":3467,"start_s":3468,"end_s":3469,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},552,"157620","It's where there is room to grow.",2961.2,2962.5,{"idx":3471,"utterance_id":3472,"speaker_name":174,"text":3473,"start_s":3474,"end_s":3475,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},553,"157621","We just want to call for the participation of our listeners and also viewers from the state's interior.",2963.88,2971.2,{"idx":3477,"utterance_id":3478,"speaker_name":174,"text":3479,"start_s":3480,"end_s":3481,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},554,"157622","And here comes a question for the candidates over in Nanuki.",2971.26,2974.18,{"idx":3483,"utterance_id":3484,"speaker_name":174,"text":3485,"start_s":3486,"end_s":3487,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},555,"157623","I'm Augusto, a resident of the city of Nanuque, in the Vale do Mucuri, northeast of Minas.",2977.44,2981.88,{"idx":3489,"utterance_id":3490,"speaker_name":174,"text":3491,"start_s":3492,"end_s":3493,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},556,"157624","I'd like to ask Cleitinho.",2982.52,2984.1,{"idx":3495,"utterance_id":3496,"speaker_name":174,"text":3497,"start_s":3498,"end_s":3499,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},557,"157625","Cleitinho, Nanuque is located in a region with difficult transportation, terrible roads, which makes it hard to attract larger businesses.",2985.1,2993.56,{"idx":3501,"utterance_id":3502,"speaker_name":174,"text":3503,"start_s":3504,"end_s":3505,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},558,"157626","What are your plans to improve the highways that connect the Vale do Mucuri to neighboring states?",2994.58,3001.16,{"idx":3507,"utterance_id":3508,"speaker_name":174,"text":3509,"start_s":3510,"end_s":3511,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},559,"157627","Folks, what's the point of the participation of people like this gentleman from Nanuque?",3002.94,3007.3,{"idx":3513,"utterance_id":3514,"speaker_name":174,"text":3515,"start_s":3516,"end_s":3517,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},560,"157628","It's so we remember that politics is made for the people.",3007.32,3010.38,{"idx":3519,"utterance_id":3520,"speaker_name":174,"text":3521,"start_s":3522,"end_s":3523,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},561,"157629","We have to communicate with the people of Minas.",3010.78,3012.82,{"idx":3525,"utterance_id":3526,"speaker_name":174,"text":3527,"start_s":3528,"end_s":3529,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},562,"157630","And this question goes to Cleitinho.",3013.14,3015.54,{"idx":3531,"utterance_id":3532,"speaker_name":174,"text":3533,"start_s":3534,"end_s":3535,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},563,"157631","We will forward it to the candidate's press office and we will demand that he provides the answer or at least admits he doesn't know how to answer.",3015.56,3024.18,{"idx":3537,"utterance_id":3538,"speaker_name":174,"text":3539,"start_s":3540,"end_s":3541,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},564,"157632","Our reporting will do its job and demand.",3024.58,3027.92,{"idx":3543,"utterance_id":3544,"speaker_name":174,"text":3545,"start_s":3546,"end_s":3547,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},565,"157633","that the candidates answer the questions of the people of Minas.",3028.16,3032.06,{"idx":3549,"utterance_id":3550,"speaker_name":174,"text":3551,"start_s":3552,"end_s":3553,"word_count":350,"indexable":178},566,"157634","Well, his remark is important, interesting; also the strategy and production here of our debate show that Minas is this continental state, with 853 municipalities, with diverse realities.",3032.44,3045.82,{"idx":3555,"utterance_id":3556,"speaker_name":174,"text":3557,"start_s":3558,"end_s":3559,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},567,"157635","Look, I've heard of Nanuque several times, but few times do people say it is necessary.",3046.12,3050.38,{"idx":3561,"utterance_id":3562,"speaker_name":174,"text":3563,"start_s":3564,"end_s":3565,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},568,"157636","Nanuque is the point of Minas Gerais closest to the sea.",3050.4,3053.32,{"idx":781,"utterance_id":3567,"speaker_name":174,"text":3568,"start_s":3569,"end_s":3570,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},"157637","100 kilometers from the sea.",3053.84,3054.94,{"idx":3572,"utterance_id":3573,"speaker_name":174,"text":3574,"start_s":3575,"end_s":3576,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},570,"157638","That means tourism should be one of the biggest investments there, the biggest business for Minas Gerais.",3055.14,3060.16,{"idx":3578,"utterance_id":3579,"speaker_name":174,"text":3580,"start_s":3581,"end_s":3582,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},571,"157639","So you really need highways there, as he said, right?",3060.42,3063.56,{"idx":3584,"utterance_id":3585,"speaker_name":174,"text":3586,"start_s":3587,"end_s":3588,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},572,"157640","Easy and direct access to the sea.",3063.88,3065.76,{"idx":3590,"utterance_id":3591,"speaker_name":174,"text":3592,"start_s":3593,"end_s":3594,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},573,"157641","It would be Minas Gerais' sea.",3066,3067.26,{"idx":3596,"utterance_id":3597,"speaker_name":174,"text":3598,"start_s":3599,"end_s":3600,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},574,"157642","So it's an inability, a lack of knowledge and ignorance on the part of the candidates and a failure to value the diverse regions of Minas Gerais.",3067.62,3074,{"idx":3602,"utterance_id":3603,"speaker_name":174,"text":3604,"start_s":3605,"end_s":3606,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},575,"157643","Does Cleitinho have a proposal for highways?",3074.02,3075.94,{"idx":3608,"utterance_id":3609,"speaker_name":174,"text":3610,"start_s":3611,"end_s":3612,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},576,"157644","You there analyzing the programs, do you know what he thinks about the matter?",3076,3079.92,{"idx":3614,"utterance_id":3615,"speaker_name":174,"text":3616,"start_s":3617,"end_s":3618,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},577,"157645","Fill the potholes.",3079.94,3080.62,{"idx":3620,"utterance_id":3621,"speaker_name":174,"text":3622,"start_s":3623,"end_s":3624,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},578,"157646","Yeah, that answer is more superficial indeed.",3082.14,3084.38,{"idx":3626,"utterance_id":3627,"speaker_name":174,"text":3628,"start_s":3629,"end_s":3630,"word_count":503,"indexable":178},579,"157647","I think this format is really very important, that these questions which should have been directed to the candidates are being posed, because the most interesting moment for the candidate—the one who is seriously discussing governing the State—is to put himself in a confrontation of ideas with his opponents, and to answer directly what the population wants to know.",3084.68,3107.42,{"idx":3632,"utterance_id":3633,"speaker_name":174,"text":3634,"start_s":3635,"end_s":3636,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},580,"157648","I find it a shame, reiterating what we've been saying here, that the majority of candidates have been absent.",3107.82,3114.08,{"idx":3638,"utterance_id":3639,"speaker_name":174,"text":3640,"start_s":3641,"end_s":3642,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},581,"157649","And, answering your question, it's superficially filling the pothole.",3114.54,3118.14,{"idx":3644,"utterance_id":3645,"speaker_name":174,"text":3646,"start_s":3647,"end_s":3648,"word_count":343,"indexable":178},582,"157650","And it's very bad that you address such a strategic issue—which speaks, moreover, to the formation of a more prosperous economic environment through infrastructure—and the candidate leaves it open, unable to show that he minimally understands that issue.",3118.52,3132.94,{"idx":3650,"utterance_id":3651,"speaker_name":174,"text":3652,"start_s":3653,"end_s":3654,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},583,"157651","He talks a lot about IPVA too, that the car will not be impounded.",3134.22,3138.42,{"idx":3656,"utterance_id":3657,"speaker_name":174,"text":3658,"start_s":3659,"end_s":3660,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},584,"157652","Do you think that's feasible?",3138.44,3139.82,{"idx":3662,"utterance_id":3663,"speaker_name":174,"text":3664,"start_s":3665,"end_s":3666,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},585,"157653","Sorry, sorry.",3142.32,3146.72,{"idx":3668,"utterance_id":3669,"speaker_name":174,"text":3670,"start_s":3671,"end_s":3672,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},586,"157654","It's packageable, but still, you're giving up revenue, in the name of what?",3146.76,3150.1,{"idx":3674,"utterance_id":3675,"speaker_name":174,"text":3676,"start_s":3677,"end_s":3678,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},587,"157655","For what?",3150.36,3150.72,{"idx":3680,"utterance_id":3681,"speaker_name":174,"text":3682,"start_s":3683,"end_s":3684,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},588,"157656","You're going to talk about IPVA, you can talk about ICMS, ISS, in short, we're living through a moment of tax reform, all of this will be changed.",3151.42,3158.54,{"idx":3686,"utterance_id":3687,"speaker_name":174,"text":3688,"start_s":3689,"end_s":3690,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},589,"157657","That promises you something, doesn't it?",3158.56,3159.56,{"idx":3692,"utterance_id":3693,"speaker_name":174,"text":3694,"start_s":3695,"end_s":3696,"word_count":426,"indexable":178},590,"157658","Everything will be changed, IPVA, ICMS; all of that will be absorbed by this tax reform, by these new taxes, CBS, etc.; everything will be consolidated, so you can't say that IPVA will be so fundamental.",3159.58,3172.48,{"idx":3698,"utterance_id":3699,"speaker_name":174,"text":3700,"start_s":3701,"end_s":3702,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},591,"157659","that people believe is their past.",3173.84,3175.64,{"idx":3704,"utterance_id":3705,"speaker_name":174,"text":3706,"start_s":3707,"end_s":3708,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},592,"157660","So, I'd even like to return to the point, Ana, that you—everyone here criticized.",3176.02,3178.98,{"idx":3710,"utterance_id":3711,"speaker_name":174,"text":3712,"start_s":3713,"end_s":3714,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},593,"157661","Is Cleitinho a populist?",3179,3180.1,{"idx":3716,"utterance_id":3717,"speaker_name":174,"text":3718,"start_s":3719,"end_s":3720,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},594,"157662","Just a question like this, straight to the point.",3180.18,3181.68,{"idx":3722,"utterance_id":3723,"speaker_name":174,"text":3724,"start_s":3725,"end_s":3726,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},595,"157663","Yes, completely.",3181.7,3182.5,{"idx":3728,"utterance_id":3729,"speaker_name":174,"text":3730,"start_s":3731,"end_s":3732,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},596,"157664","Completely?",3182.52,3183.52,{"idx":3734,"utterance_id":3735,"speaker_name":174,"text":3736,"start_s":3737,"end_s":3738,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},597,"157665","Me too, totally.",3183.54,3184.78,{"idx":3740,"utterance_id":3741,"speaker_name":174,"text":3742,"start_s":3743,"end_s":3744,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},598,"157666","That would then be the popular appeal he has, which makes him so popular on social media.",3184.88,3189.44,{"idx":3746,"utterance_id":3747,"speaker_name":174,"text":3748,"start_s":3749,"end_s":3750,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},599,"157667","Does that mean—or does it materialize into—a risk?",3189.78,3192.54,{"idx":3752,"utterance_id":3753,"speaker_name":174,"text":3754,"start_s":3755,"end_s":3756,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},600,"157668","Because to the extent that he is populist, it matters little whether he has the backbone and structure to implement the proposals he puts forward or not.",3192.86,3202.66,{"idx":3758,"utterance_id":3759,"speaker_name":174,"text":3760,"start_s":3761,"end_s":3762,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},601,"157669","Not long ago, well, not very long ago, in the first presidential election after the military government, the military dictatorship, a candidate named Fernando Henrique Collor emerged, who said he would hunt the marajás.",3203.18,3213.7,{"idx":3764,"utterance_id":3765,"speaker_name":174,"text":1109,"start_s":3766,"end_s":3767,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},602,"157670",3213.86,3214.3,{"idx":3769,"utterance_id":3770,"speaker_name":174,"text":3771,"start_s":3772,"end_s":3773,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},603,"157671","So he made that a mantra and it elected him, in fact.",3214.36,3217.5,{"idx":3775,"utterance_id":3776,"speaker_name":174,"text":3777,"start_s":3778,"end_s":3779,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},604,"157672","And he was the first to be hunted, because he didn't have... proposals that were sustainable regarding what he was proposing.",3218.04,3224.48,{"idx":3781,"utterance_id":3782,"speaker_name":174,"text":3783,"start_s":3784,"end_s":3785,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},605,"157673","He ended up falling, there were many accusations, attacks, and he couldn't sustain himself.",3224.68,3229.68,{"idx":3787,"utterance_id":3788,"speaker_name":174,"text":3789,"start_s":3790,"end_s":3791,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},606,"157674","He built it on low blows and said he would hunt the marajás.",3229.7,3233.36,{"idx":3793,"utterance_id":3794,"speaker_name":174,"text":3795,"start_s":3796,"end_s":3797,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},607,"157675","And he didn't identify them nor explain what that would be.",3233.42,3236.12,{"idx":3799,"utterance_id":3800,"speaker_name":174,"text":3801,"start_s":3802,"end_s":3803,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},608,"157676","Referring, then, to a disqualification of the public servant.",3236.38,3239.26,{"idx":3805,"utterance_id":3806,"speaker_name":174,"text":3807,"start_s":3808,"end_s":3809,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},609,"157677","Is every populist then bad?",3239.4,3242.26,{"idx":3811,"utterance_id":3812,"speaker_name":174,"text":3813,"start_s":3814,"end_s":3815,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},610,"157678","No, it's not necessarily bad.",3243.56,3245.4,{"idx":3817,"utterance_id":3818,"speaker_name":174,"text":3819,"start_s":3820,"end_s":3821,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},611,"157679","It's a communication technique.",3245.82,3247.74,{"idx":3823,"utterance_id":3824,"speaker_name":174,"text":3825,"start_s":3826,"end_s":3827,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},612,"157680","of political action with the electorate, but he has to have a minimum of commitment, seriousness, responsibility and executable proposals.",3248.32,3255.02,{"idx":3829,"utterance_id":3830,"speaker_name":174,"text":3831,"start_s":3832,"end_s":3833,"word_count":437,"indexable":178},613,"157681","I was going to say that I hope that, if the populist is elected, I expect the following: that after the results come in, just as the results came in with Collor, he won't stop having voters, because when Collor was campaigning, everyone was captivated.",3256.36,3273.94,{"idx":3835,"utterance_id":3836,"speaker_name":174,"text":3837,"start_s":3838,"end_s":3839,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},614,"157682","After all the issues involving corruption in the Collor government came to light and there was an impeachment, then nobody had voted for Collor.",3274.7,3283.72,{"idx":3841,"utterance_id":3842,"speaker_name":174,"text":3843,"start_s":3844,"end_s":3845,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},615,"157683","Collor had no supporters.",3283.76,3285.02,{"idx":3847,"utterance_id":3848,"speaker_name":174,"text":3849,"start_s":3850,"end_s":3851,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},616,"157684","You would ask yourself whether you voted for Collor.",3285.04,3286.42,{"idx":3853,"utterance_id":3854,"speaker_name":174,"text":3855,"start_s":3856,"end_s":3857,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},617,"157685","No, I didn't vote.",3286.48,3287.12,{"idx":3859,"utterance_id":3860,"speaker_name":174,"text":3861,"start_s":3862,"end_s":3863,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},618,"157686","So, I hope...",3287.7,3288.86,{"idx":3865,"utterance_id":3866,"speaker_name":174,"text":3867,"start_s":3868,"end_s":3869,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},619,"157687","His whole family is in the government.",3289.06,3291,{"idx":3871,"utterance_id":3872,"speaker_name":174,"text":3873,"start_s":3874,"end_s":3875,"word_count":491,"indexable":178},620,"157688","I hope people think carefully about who they will vote for and move away from social media, where everything is so well produced — it's like, 'oh, I won't spend party funds, my campaign will be the cheapest' — whether it's cheap or expensive, so that people can see beyond social media.",3291.82,3314.82,{"idx":3877,"utterance_id":3878,"speaker_name":174,"text":3879,"start_s":3880,"end_s":3881,"word_count":169,"indexable":178},621,"157689","Hey Guilherme, Ana raises a very interesting point: when a people fall for that little fairy tale of a populist and then a fuss comes and everyone ends up feeling embarrassed for others and embarrassed themselves.",3315.12,3329.24,{"idx":3883,"utterance_id":3884,"speaker_name":174,"text":3885,"start_s":3886,"end_s":3887,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},622,"157690","Do you think, in that sense, we'll still see those people who voted for Bolsonaro and became Bolsonaro supporters feel that, feel regret?",3329.88,3344.72,{"idx":3889,"utterance_id":3890,"speaker_name":174,"text":3891,"start_s":3892,"end_s":3893,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},623,"157691","Or do you think it has taken such a mythic, almost religious path that it's irreversible?",3344.74,3352.18,{"idx":3895,"utterance_id":3896,"speaker_name":174,"text":3897,"start_s":3898,"end_s":3899,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},624,"157692","So, I believe that to some extent.",3352.68,3354.24,{"idx":3901,"utterance_id":3902,"speaker_name":174,"text":3903,"start_s":3904,"end_s":3905,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},625,"157693","And I think it also applies to the other side.",3354.84,3357.04,{"idx":3907,"utterance_id":3908,"speaker_name":174,"text":3909,"start_s":3910,"end_s":3911,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},626,"157694","The PT had moments of deep political contradiction, caught in undemocratic situations, where it had a segment of more radical supporters who also accepted double — cognitively steep — tweets that... It was hard to sustain.",3357.76,3375.4,{"idx":3913,"utterance_id":3914,"speaker_name":174,"text":3915,"start_s":3916,"end_s":3917,"word_count":426,"indexable":178},627,"157695","I think this aggravates things; it becomes even more serious at a time when social media, which is an instrument of communication completely built to meet my most intimate and subjective expectations, makes it even harder to dismantle.",3375.92,3391.94,{"idx":3919,"utterance_id":3920,"speaker_name":174,"text":3921,"start_s":3922,"end_s":3923,"word_count":406,"indexable":178},628,"157696","I have some reservations, and I think Gorião has probably seen this too, about treating political science somewhat in the... psychological field, because I think we'd be entering some areas that are hard to sustain.",3392.62,3405.88,{"idx":3925,"utterance_id":3926,"speaker_name":174,"text":3927,"start_s":3928,"end_s":3929,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},629,"157697","But there is a set of theories that will deal with this issue.",3406.24,3408.8,{"idx":3931,"utterance_id":3932,"speaker_name":174,"text":3933,"start_s":3934,"end_s":3935,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},630,"157698","One of them is the dissociative [theory].",3409.14,3413.16,{"idx":3937,"utterance_id":3938,"speaker_name":174,"text":3939,"start_s":3940,"end_s":3941,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},631,"157699","Now, beyond all that, I'll be lacking the concept.",3413.3,3416.08,{"idx":3943,"utterance_id":3944,"speaker_name":174,"text":3945,"start_s":3946,"end_s":3947,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},632,"157700","I just wanted to qualify Cleitinho in the populism he embodies, which is this neo-populist.",3416.62,3422.06,{"idx":3949,"utterance_id":3950,"speaker_name":174,"text":3951,"start_s":3952,"end_s":3953,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},633,"157701","Who works with social media, who speaks directly to his bubble, who inflames that bubble, keeps fermenting it, you know?",3422.48,3429.8,{"idx":3955,"utterance_id":3956,"speaker_name":174,"text":3957,"start_s":3958,"end_s":3959,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},634,"157702","Neo-populist.",3430.24,3431.32,{"idx":3961,"utterance_id":3962,"speaker_name":174,"text":3963,"start_s":3964,"end_s":3965,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},635,"157703","Yes, he would be a neo-populist because of the social media moment, with these technologies.",3431.58,3436.56,{"idx":3967,"utterance_id":3968,"speaker_name":174,"text":3969,"start_s":3970,"end_s":3971,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},636,"157704","Bearing in mind that Collor didn't have social media.",3436.58,3438.26,{"idx":3973,"utterance_id":3974,"speaker_name":174,"text":3975,"start_s":3976,"end_s":3977,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},637,"157705","He didn't have social media and the damage was already great.",3438.28,3440.7,{"idx":3979,"utterance_id":3980,"speaker_name":174,"text":3981,"start_s":3982,"end_s":3983,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},638,"157706","Now we're going to the Jequitinhonha with another question.",3441.14,3444.18,{"idx":848,"utterance_id":3985,"speaker_name":174,"text":3986,"start_s":3987,"end_s":3988,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},"157707","Hello, my name is Waldenberg Moreira, I'm a lawyer.",3445.34,3448.14,{"idx":3990,"utterance_id":3991,"speaker_name":174,"text":3992,"start_s":3993,"end_s":3994,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},640,"157708","I'm speaking from the city of Divisópolis.",3448.16,3450.9,{"idx":3996,"utterance_id":3997,"speaker_name":174,"text":3998,"start_s":3999,"end_s":4000,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},641,"157709","Jequitionha Valley, Minas Gerais.",3451.38,3453.12,{"idx":4002,"utterance_id":4003,"speaker_name":174,"text":4004,"start_s":4005,"end_s":4006,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},642,"157710","My question is for candidate Flávio Roscoi.",3453.84,3456.62,{"idx":4008,"utterance_id":4009,"speaker_name":174,"text":4010,"start_s":4011,"end_s":4012,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},643,"157711","Flávio, you who are from the business sector, I'd like to know what proposal you have for the Jequitionha Valley, Minas Gerais, given",3457.28,3467.38,{"idx":63,"utterance_id":4014,"speaker_name":174,"text":4015,"start_s":4016,"end_s":4017,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},"157712","that we have one of the largest reserves",3467.4,3469.48,{"idx":4019,"utterance_id":4020,"speaker_name":174,"text":4021,"start_s":4022,"end_s":4023,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},645,"157713","of lithium in the",3469.52,3470.02,{"idx":4025,"utterance_id":4026,"speaker_name":174,"text":4027,"start_s":4028,"end_s":4029,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},646,"157714","world, we don't have any",3470.08,3472.12,{"idx":4031,"utterance_id":4032,"speaker_name":174,"text":4033,"start_s":4034,"end_s":4035,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},647,"157715","dry port",3472.26,3473.18,{"idx":4037,"utterance_id":4038,"speaker_name":174,"text":4039,"start_s":4040,"end_s":4041,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},648,"157716","in our region",3473.42,3474.32,{"idx":4043,"utterance_id":4044,"speaker_name":174,"text":4045,"start_s":4046,"end_s":4047,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},649,"157717","and much less do we have any incentive to create industrial districts.",3474.78,3479.74,{"idx":4049,"utterance_id":4050,"speaker_name":174,"text":4051,"start_s":4052,"end_s":4053,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},650,"157718","So, how to industrialize the Jequitinhonha Valley, how to develop this region, given the mineral wealth we have here in our Jequitinhonha Valley.",3480.08,3489.46,{"idx":4055,"utterance_id":4056,"speaker_name":174,"text":4057,"start_s":4058,"end_s":4059,"word_count":862,"indexable":178},651,"157719","Personally, I think this question from this mineiro, this Minas Gerais citizen, is dangerous aimed at Flávio Rosco, because in Flávio Rosco's hands this question turns into unrestrained greed and, in my opinion, what will happen is they'll turn that region into an extractive ground, without the slightest care or concern for the environment, only thinking about proposals to... increase jobs, profit and so on, and without thinking about what is actually most important, which is to build an industrial beneficiation park for these metals, which would guarantee... that Brazil, that Minas Gerais would in fact be a place that competed in the struggle and the technological race, don't you think?",3490.58,3543.78,{"idx":4061,"utterance_id":4062,"speaker_name":174,"text":4063,"start_s":4064,"end_s":4065,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},652,"157720","This is an age-old problem in Minas, isn't it, Orion?",3544.06,3547.84,{"idx":4067,"utterance_id":4068,"speaker_name":174,"text":4069,"start_s":4070,"end_s":4071,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},653,"157721","Each question that comes from our viewers takes me back to the dirty ones, because it's not just about dodging a question like this or not participating in such an important debate.",3548.02,3558.5,{"idx":4073,"utterance_id":4074,"speaker_name":174,"text":4075,"start_s":4076,"end_s":4077,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},654,"157722","What is the situation in Minas Gerais like, what is the election for Minas Gerais like.",3558.82,3562.48,{"idx":4079,"utterance_id":4080,"speaker_name":174,"text":4081,"start_s":4082,"end_s":4083,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},655,"157723","Because a politician is more than someone who evades; it's about being arrogant.",3562.72,3566.1,{"idx":4085,"utterance_id":4086,"speaker_name":174,"text":4087,"start_s":4088,"end_s":4089,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},656,"157724","It's thinking he knows everything, that he knows all the state's proposals, knows all the solutions and doesn't listen to the people who live there in that region.",3566.52,3573.26,{"idx":4091,"utterance_id":4092,"speaker_name":174,"text":4093,"start_s":4094,"end_s":4095,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},657,"157725","So this question of the Jequitimã is fundamental so we don't fall into that story, that fairy tale that Minas will... from lithium, from rare earths, enact an industrial revolution, a social revolution.",3574.02,3588.04,{"idx":4097,"utterance_id":4098,"speaker_name":174,"text":4099,"start_s":4100,"end_s":4101,"word_count":377,"indexable":178},658,"157726","Well, Minas Gerais has had its veins opened since colonization and even today our gold, our diamonds, our iron ore go abroad, still with a little helping hand.",3588.46,3601.74,{"idx":4103,"utterance_id":4104,"speaker_name":174,"text":4105,"start_s":4106,"end_s":4107,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},659,"157727","Called the Lei Candir, which doesn't collect taxes from mining, agribusiness, and so on, and nobody does anything.",3603.42,3609.98,{"idx":4109,"utterance_id":4110,"speaker_name":174,"text":4111,"start_s":4112,"end_s":4113,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},660,"157728","Why don't the politicians do away with this Lei Candir?",3610.08,3612.32,{"idx":4115,"utterance_id":4116,"speaker_name":174,"text":4117,"start_s":4118,"end_s":4119,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},661,"157729","Which has already caused a loss of R$ 130 billion during these 20 years of its validity.",3612.62,3617.78,{"idx":4121,"utterance_id":4122,"speaker_name":174,"text":4123,"start_s":4124,"end_s":4125,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},662,"157730","However, the current government made a negotiation with the endorsement of the STF and obtained R$ 8 billion over 18 years of recovery from the R$ 130 billion.",3618.14,3628.2,{"idx":4127,"utterance_id":4128,"speaker_name":174,"text":4129,"start_s":4130,"end_s":4131,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},663,"157731","When it could have... politically, done a settlement of accounts — Minas Gerais' debt is R$ 200 billion today.",3628.42,3634.44,{"idx":4133,"utterance_id":4134,"speaker_name":174,"text":4135,"start_s":4136,"end_s":4137,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},664,"157732","So I see it this way: that's an issue of the past.",3634.7,3637.38,{"idx":4139,"utterance_id":4140,"speaker_name":174,"text":4141,"start_s":4142,"end_s":4143,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},665,"157733","Now, the Lei Candir remains in force.",3637.5,3640.46,{"idx":4145,"utterance_id":4146,"speaker_name":174,"text":4147,"start_s":4148,"end_s":4149,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},666,"157734","And no one wants to touch it.",3640.78,3641.82,{"idx":4151,"utterance_id":4152,"speaker_name":174,"text":4153,"start_s":4154,"end_s":4155,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},667,"157735","And no federal bench, nobody moves on it.",3641.84,3643.74,{"idx":4157,"utterance_id":4158,"speaker_name":174,"text":4159,"start_s":4160,"end_s":4161,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},668,"157736","Because that's what mining is, that's what mining is.",3643.96,3645.82,{"idx":4163,"utterance_id":4164,"speaker_name":174,"text":4165,"start_s":4166,"end_s":4167,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},669,"157737","I've always covered elections and all the candidates say, we need to diversify Minas' economy, seek the regional vocations of each part of the state so as not to depend on mining.",3646.12,3657.28,{"idx":4169,"utterance_id":4170,"speaker_name":174,"text":4171,"start_s":4172,"end_s":4173,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},670,"157738","But when elected... He gets so enchanted with mining, with the money that comes in there, that he forgets the issue.",3657.74,3663.06,{"idx":4175,"utterance_id":4176,"speaker_name":174,"text":4177,"start_s":4178,"end_s":4179,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},671,"157739","Now, do you think Flávio Roscoe connects with the Jequitinhonha Valley?",3663.36,3667.44,{"idx":4181,"utterance_id":4182,"speaker_name":174,"text":4183,"start_s":4184,"end_s":4185,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},672,"157740","In some way, yes.",3669.78,3670.76,{"idx":4187,"utterance_id":4188,"speaker_name":174,"text":4189,"start_s":4190,"end_s":4191,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},673,"157741","As a candidate, he'll have to present a set of proposals for the region.",3671,3674.72,{"idx":4193,"utterance_id":4194,"speaker_name":174,"text":4195,"start_s":4196,"end_s":4197,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},674,"157742","I don't know if those proposals will be assimilated.",3675.2,3678.22,{"idx":4199,"utterance_id":4200,"speaker_name":174,"text":4201,"start_s":4202,"end_s":4203,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},675,"157743","As Orion also rightly said, whether they are feasible or whether they are unrealistic.",3678.62,3682.62,{"idx":4205,"utterance_id":4206,"speaker_name":174,"text":4207,"start_s":4208,"end_s":4209,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},676,"157744","But I say, Guilherme, even in terms of aesthetics, you know?",3682.64,3685.5,{"idx":4211,"utterance_id":4212,"speaker_name":174,"text":4213,"start_s":4214,"end_s":4215,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},677,"157745","Of what he represents.",3685.54,3687.38,{"idx":4217,"utterance_id":4218,"speaker_name":174,"text":4219,"start_s":4220,"end_s":4221,"word_count":420,"indexable":178},678,"157746","Considering that the Jequitinhonha Valley, even though it has fought for many years against the stigma of the Valley of Poverty, is indeed a place of very humble people, people who still lack many basic things that haven't reached the region.",3687.42,3702.4,{"idx":4223,"utterance_id":4224,"speaker_name":174,"text":4225,"start_s":4226,"end_s":4227,"word_count":400,"indexable":178},679,"157747","I believe so, also because when the candidate goes there... In another sense, the electorate will reinterpret things; it will try to somehow equalize those differences, even when a businessman from the Belo Horizonte metropolitan area arrives.",3703.5,3719.32,{"idx":4229,"utterance_id":4230,"speaker_name":174,"text":4231,"start_s":4232,"end_s":4233,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},680,"157748","It's true that politics is also about identification, so in that sense I think other candidates would have a big advantage over the... Which ones?",3719.66,3725.64,{"idx":4235,"utterance_id":4236,"speaker_name":174,"text":4237,"start_s":4238,"end_s":4239,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},681,"157749","In the Jequitimã Valley.",3726.42,3727.36,{"idx":4241,"utterance_id":4242,"speaker_name":174,"text":4243,"start_s":4244,"end_s":4245,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},682,"157750","In the Jequitimã Valley, I think Cleitinho — and perhaps not by chance, given his popular language, he chose the Jequitimã Valley to",3727.38,3734.88,{"idx":4247,"utterance_id":4248,"speaker_name":174,"text":4249,"start_s":4250,"end_s":4251,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},683,"157751","launch his campaign.",3735.28,3736.96,{"idx":4253,"utterance_id":4254,"speaker_name":174,"text":4255,"start_s":4256,"end_s":4257,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},684,"157752","And the PT with Patrus?",3737.18,3738.96,{"idx":4259,"utterance_id":4260,"speaker_name":174,"text":4261,"start_s":4262,"end_s":4263,"word_count":239,"indexable":178},685,"157753","So, Patrus, he has — and again, let's keep going into this wound — Patrus has a history, an interesting identification stemming from the work he did as minister.",3739.14,3749.96,{"idx":4265,"utterance_id":4266,"speaker_name":174,"text":4267,"start_s":4268,"end_s":4269,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},686,"157754","So it would be extremely interesting to have Patrus here to talk about that, to talk about how his work was.",3750.5,3755.14,{"idx":4271,"utterance_id":4272,"speaker_name":174,"text":4273,"start_s":4274,"end_s":4275,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},687,"157755","He is from the Jequitinhonha, Bocaiuva, North of Minas.",3755.26,3761.48,{"idx":4277,"utterance_id":4278,"speaker_name":174,"text":4279,"start_s":4280,"end_s":4281,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},688,"157756","He has that identification.",3761.6,3762.44,{"idx":4283,"utterance_id":4284,"speaker_name":174,"text":4285,"start_s":4286,"end_s":4287,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},689,"157757","Patruza, sir, he has a different trajectory, but a simple man, a man who conveys that serenity.",3763.02,3771.1,{"idx":4289,"utterance_id":4290,"speaker_name":174,"text":4291,"start_s":4292,"end_s":4293,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},690,"157758","He's not Peitinho, who has another level of identification, more popular, with a more direct language.",3771.14,3776.76,{"idx":4295,"utterance_id":4296,"speaker_name":174,"text":4297,"start_s":4298,"end_s":4299,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},691,"157759","Younger.",3777.02,3778.16,{"idx":4301,"utterance_id":4302,"speaker_name":174,"text":4297,"start_s":4303,"end_s":4304,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},692,"157760",3778.18,3778.92,{"idx":4306,"utterance_id":4307,"speaker_name":174,"text":4308,"start_s":4309,"end_s":4310,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},693,"157761","Patrus had been away, right folks?",3779.74,3781.48,{"idx":4312,"utterance_id":4313,"speaker_name":174,"text":4314,"start_s":4315,"end_s":4316,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},694,"157762","Distant, like that.",3781.54,3782.6,{"idx":4318,"utterance_id":4319,"speaker_name":174,"text":4320,"start_s":4321,"end_s":4322,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},695,"157763","And now with the start of the free electoral advertising, up until today we've been here talking about the dynamics that the PT's marketers here in the state chose for this first program.",3782.88,3798.18,{"idx":4324,"utterance_id":4325,"speaker_name":174,"text":4326,"start_s":4327,"end_s":4328,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},696,"157764","I don't know if you watched, but in fact what featured most there was Lula's name, Lula's speech — a lot of Lula, little Patrus.",3798.2,3806.54,{"idx":4330,"utterance_id":4331,"speaker_name":174,"text":4332,"start_s":4333,"end_s":4334,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},697,"157765","What do you think of that strategy?",3806.86,3808.56,{"idx":4336,"utterance_id":4337,"speaker_name":174,"text":4338,"start_s":4339,"end_s":4340,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},698,"157766","I think his image has always been very linked to Lula.",3808.6,3811.22,{"idx":4342,"utterance_id":4343,"speaker_name":174,"text":4344,"start_s":4345,"end_s":4346,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},699,"157767","Even from his participations in Dilma's government and in Lula's government, his own relationship with Lula.",3812,3818.96,{"idx":4348,"utterance_id":4349,"speaker_name":174,"text":4350,"start_s":4351,"end_s":4352,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},700,"157768","And I'm not surprised his free electoral program made all those references to Lula.",3819.52,3828.22,{"idx":4354,"utterance_id":4355,"speaker_name":174,"text":4356,"start_s":4357,"end_s":4358,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},701,"157769","But do you think Patrusa in Minas is just a platform for Lula?",3828.34,3832.26,{"idx":4360,"utterance_id":4361,"speaker_name":174,"text":4362,"start_s":4363,"end_s":4364,"word_count":509,"indexable":178},702,"157770","No, I don't see it as just a platform for Lula; I think he tries to capitalize on the vote that Lula could give him here in Minas by using Lula's image, just as Flávio Rosco will use Flávio Bolsonaro's image, just as Cleitinho is also trying to use Flávio Bolsonaro's image.",3832.84,3853.18,{"idx":4366,"utterance_id":4367,"speaker_name":174,"text":4368,"start_s":4369,"end_s":4370,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},703,"157771","And so there are two candidates here fighting to know on which platform Flávio Bolsonaro will get on, or for which of the two Flávio Bolsonaro will ask for votes.",3854.18,3863.36,{"idx":4372,"utterance_id":4373,"speaker_name":174,"text":4374,"start_s":4375,"end_s":4376,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},704,"157772","Or whether it will be a double platform.",3863.56,3864.7,{"idx":4378,"utterance_id":4379,"speaker_name":174,"text":4380,"start_s":4381,"end_s":4382,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},705,"157773","In fact, this is happening here in Minas.",3866.18,3868.3,{"idx":4384,"utterance_id":4385,"speaker_name":174,"text":4386,"start_s":4387,"end_s":4388,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},706,"157774","Full of double platforms, full of rivals.",3868.98,3871.54,{"idx":4390,"utterance_id":4391,"speaker_name":174,"text":4392,"start_s":4393,"end_s":4394,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},707,"157775","A lack of political personality.",3871.56,3873.22,{"idx":4396,"utterance_id":4397,"speaker_name":174,"text":4398,"start_s":4399,"end_s":4400,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},708,"157776","That's why I said the parties have become very weakened.",3873.28,3876.84,{"idx":4402,"utterance_id":4403,"speaker_name":174,"text":4404,"start_s":4405,"end_s":4406,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},709,"157777","In all this confusion.",3878.74,3879.72,{"idx":4408,"utterance_id":4409,"speaker_name":174,"text":4410,"start_s":4411,"end_s":4412,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},710,"157778","But since the lavachatismo that discredited politics.",3879.76,3882.38,{"idx":4414,"utterance_id":4415,"speaker_name":174,"text":4416,"start_s":4417,"end_s":4418,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},711,"157779","That apolitical moment emerged, right?",3882.54,3884.34,{"idx":4420,"utterance_id":4421,"speaker_name":174,"text":4422,"start_s":4423,"end_s":4424,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},712,"157780","Enough of politics.",3884.7,3885.48,{"idx":4426,"utterance_id":4427,"speaker_name":174,"text":4428,"start_s":4429,"end_s":4430,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},713,"157781","So what exactly are we going to do?",3885.5,3886.76,{"idx":4432,"utterance_id":4433,"speaker_name":174,"text":4434,"start_s":4435,"end_s":4436,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},714,"157782","Now we're living this new populism that Guilherme mentioned a little while ago.",3888,3891.96,{"idx":4438,"utterance_id":4439,"speaker_name":174,"text":4440,"start_s":4441,"end_s":4442,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},715,"157783","It's a recovery of politics; rescuing politics is fundamental.",3892.5,3895.68,{"idx":4444,"utterance_id":4445,"speaker_name":174,"text":4446,"start_s":4447,"end_s":4448,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},716,"157784","I think that, for Patrus at the moment, it is clear to him.",3895.94,3898.48,{"idx":4450,"utterance_id":4451,"speaker_name":174,"text":4452,"start_s":4453,"end_s":4454,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},717,"157785","that the priority is to reelect Lula, just as Flávio Rosco's priority is to elect the other Flávio.",3898.9,3904.5,{"idx":4456,"utterance_id":4457,"speaker_name":174,"text":4458,"start_s":4459,"end_s":4460,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},718,"157786","If they can add something, enhancing their own worth, they can then add some value and try to pull votes here in Minas Gerais, represent them well here in Minas Gerais.",3905.44,3914.98,{"idx":4462,"utterance_id":4463,"speaker_name":174,"text":4464,"start_s":4465,"end_s":4466,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},719,"157787","So do you think that Patrusa will accept Lula's call, since... Lula's preferred candidates did not accept?",3915,3921.04,{"idx":4468,"utterance_id":4469,"speaker_name":174,"text":4470,"start_s":4471,"end_s":4472,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},720,"157788","Is it an altruistic action on his part and also related to his loyalty to Lula?",3921.24,3928.72,{"idx":4474,"utterance_id":4475,"speaker_name":174,"text":4476,"start_s":4477,"end_s":4478,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},721,"157789","It's due to the political polarization in which PT needs to have a representative here, just as Bolsonaro needs to have his representative here as well.",3928.78,3935.48,{"idx":4480,"utterance_id":4481,"speaker_name":174,"text":4482,"start_s":4483,"end_s":4484,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},722,"157790","So much so that they didn't accept Cleitinho in that way.",3935.52,3937.36,{"idx":4486,"utterance_id":4487,"speaker_name":174,"text":4488,"start_s":4489,"end_s":4490,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},723,"157791","They had to reinvent that Flávio.",3937.86,3939.98,{"idx":4492,"utterance_id":4493,"speaker_name":174,"text":4494,"start_s":4495,"end_s":4496,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},724,"157792","Rosca there as the PL candidate for governor.",3940.34,3943.12,{"idx":4498,"utterance_id":4499,"speaker_name":174,"text":4500,"start_s":4501,"end_s":4502,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},725,"157793","Now, Patrúcio has his own life, his own political trajectory; he can make lemonade out of this lemon, but Lula needed to have his platform here.",3943.56,3950.9,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":4504,"speaker_name":174,"text":4505,"start_s":4506,"end_s":4507,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},"157794","And I think the time will come when Patrúcio will show himself to be more than a man dedicated to the vocation of fighting hunger.",3951.28,3960.94,{"idx":4509,"utterance_id":4510,"speaker_name":174,"text":4511,"start_s":4512,"end_s":4513,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},727,"157795","Here, the public policies to combat hunger here in Belo Horizonte.",3961.56,3964.16,{"idx":4515,"utterance_id":4516,"speaker_name":174,"text":4517,"start_s":4518,"end_s":4519,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},728,"157796","Humanist, right?",3964.22,3964.74,{"idx":4521,"utterance_id":4522,"speaker_name":174,"text":1109,"start_s":4523,"end_s":4524,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},729,"157797",3964.84,3965.32,{"idx":4526,"utterance_id":4527,"speaker_name":174,"text":4528,"start_s":4529,"end_s":4530,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},730,"157798","Later in the Ministry with Bolsa Família as well.",3965.52,3968.84,{"idx":4532,"utterance_id":4533,"speaker_name":174,"text":4534,"start_s":4535,"end_s":4536,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},731,"157799","Since we're talking about him, quickly, Orião, just because we have a question for Patrus from Pedro Leopoldo.",3969.02,3974.52,{"idx":4538,"utterance_id":4539,"speaker_name":174,"text":4540,"start_s":4541,"end_s":4542,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},732,"157800","Let's watch.",3974.58,3975.32,{"idx":4544,"utterance_id":4545,"speaker_name":174,"text":4546,"start_s":4547,"end_s":4548,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},733,"157801","Hello, my name is Luciana, I'm a psychologist, I'm from Pedro Leopoldo and the question I'd like to ask is for candidate Patrus Ananis.",3976.34,3984.34,{"idx":4550,"utterance_id":4551,"speaker_name":174,"text":4552,"start_s":4553,"end_s":4554,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},734,"157802","and it relates to Copasa.",3985.06,3986.68,{"idx":4556,"utterance_id":4557,"speaker_name":174,"text":4558,"start_s":4559,"end_s":4560,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},735,"157803","Zema's government privatized Copasa and we've already been suffering from a constant lack of water.",3986.96,3993.6,{"idx":4562,"utterance_id":4563,"speaker_name":174,"text":4564,"start_s":4565,"end_s":4566,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},736,"157804","and this problem continues.",3993.86,3995.52,{"idx":962,"utterance_id":4568,"speaker_name":174,"text":4569,"start_s":4570,"end_s":4571,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},"157805","Just today I received a message in the WhatsApp group for the building where I live warning that we're going to be without water this weekend.",3995.92,4004.9,{"idx":4573,"utterance_id":4574,"speaker_name":174,"text":4575,"start_s":4576,"end_s":4577,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},738,"157806","I would like to know patrulho's position regarding Copasa, the privatization, and how this issue will be handled.",4005.26,4011.42,{"idx":4579,"utterance_id":4580,"speaker_name":174,"text":4581,"start_s":4582,"end_s":4583,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},739,"157807","Thank you.",4011.72,4012.28,{"idx":4585,"utterance_id":4586,"speaker_name":174,"text":4587,"start_s":4588,"end_s":4589,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},740,"157808","Folks, this issue of privatization is worrying everyone, right?",4013.32,4016.34,{"idx":4591,"utterance_id":4592,"speaker_name":174,"text":4593,"start_s":4594,"end_s":4595,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},741,"157809","It seems people woke up after the examples of Sabesp in São Paulo.",4016.38,4023.18,{"idx":4597,"utterance_id":4598,"speaker_name":174,"text":4599,"start_s":4600,"end_s":4601,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},742,"157810","But privatization IPT... bad examples, right?",4023.46,4025.4,{"idx":4603,"utterance_id":4604,"speaker_name":174,"text":1109,"start_s":4605,"end_s":4606,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},743,"157811",4025.6,4026.12,{"idx":4608,"utterance_id":4609,"speaker_name":174,"text":4610,"start_s":4611,"end_s":4612,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},744,"157812","But IPT privatization doesn't fit.",4026.22,4028.12,{"idx":4614,"utterance_id":4615,"speaker_name":174,"text":4616,"start_s":4617,"end_s":4618,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},745,"157813","Do you think that, if Patrus were elected, he would be able to curb this trend?",4028.54,4034.74,{"idx":4620,"utterance_id":4621,"speaker_name":174,"text":4622,"start_s":4623,"end_s":4624,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},746,"157814","It's a very complex political engineering.",4035.94,4038.5,{"idx":4626,"utterance_id":4627,"speaker_name":174,"text":4628,"start_s":4629,"end_s":4630,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},747,"157815","I'm going to... Because it's a kind of contractual violence that generates a lot of political wear, you know?",4039.4,4046.18,{"idx":4632,"utterance_id":4633,"speaker_name":174,"text":4634,"start_s":4635,"end_s":4636,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},748,"157816","Legal uncertainty.",4046.64,4047.56,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":4638,"speaker_name":174,"text":4634,"start_s":4639,"end_s":4640,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},"157817",4047.6,4048.58,{"idx":4642,"utterance_id":4643,"speaker_name":174,"text":4644,"start_s":4645,"end_s":4646,"word_count":169,"indexable":178},750,"157818","So, I'm trying to make a point here with a statement from another political scene and such, that Fernando Haddad is always being confronted, and this is a better established reality there in São Paulo.",4048.62,4060.44,{"idx":4648,"utterance_id":4649,"speaker_name":174,"text":4650,"start_s":4651,"end_s":4652,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},751,"157819","He talks about a possible annulment of the contract, which means identifying: is it being fulfilled?",4061.1,4065.96,{"idx":4654,"utterance_id":4655,"speaker_name":174,"text":4656,"start_s":4657,"end_s":4658,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},752,"157820","What was proposed.",4066.98,4068.02,{"idx":4660,"utterance_id":4661,"speaker_name":174,"text":4662,"start_s":4663,"end_s":4664,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},753,"157821","And then he gives some examples from his time there... Anyway, I think it's complicated, I think this issue of intervening, of re-nationalizing is very delicate.",4068.58,4078.36,{"idx":4666,"utterance_id":4667,"speaker_name":174,"text":4668,"start_s":4669,"end_s":4670,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},754,"157822","Imagine what that would be, because re-nationalizing implies paying, reimbursing what was paid.",4079.08,4082.94,{"idx":4672,"utterance_id":4673,"speaker_name":174,"text":4674,"start_s":4675,"end_s":4676,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},755,"157823","I can't see it—the State's coffers can't bear that... But Europe is already doing that.",4083.7,4088.82,{"idx":4678,"utterance_id":4679,"speaker_name":174,"text":1109,"start_s":4680,"end_s":4681,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},756,"157824",4088.9,4089.72,{"idx":4683,"utterance_id":4684,"speaker_name":174,"text":4685,"start_s":4686,"end_s":4687,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},757,"157825","And we need to broaden this burden to the Assembly.",4090.84,4093.02,{"idx":4689,"utterance_id":4690,"speaker_name":174,"text":4691,"start_s":4692,"end_s":4693,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},758,"157826","which approved this, notwithstanding our last participation here, Bernardo Stilak explains a bit what the context of that was in the Assembly.",4093.28,4100.98,{"idx":4695,"utterance_id":4696,"speaker_name":174,"text":4697,"start_s":4698,"end_s":4699,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},759,"157827","Because there you had a discussion about Propag, you needed to at least equalize accounts, and then the Assembly found as an alternative this privatization for Copasa.",4101.36,4112.16,{"idx":4701,"utterance_id":4702,"speaker_name":174,"text":4703,"start_s":4704,"end_s":4705,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},760,"157828","You're entirely right, Europe is going the other way, because this type of service doesn't make a profit.",4112.8,4117.44,{"idx":4707,"utterance_id":4708,"speaker_name":174,"text":4709,"start_s":4710,"end_s":4711,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},761,"157829","In the end, because the investment that needs to be made is very large.",4118.22,4121.28,{"idx":4713,"utterance_id":4714,"speaker_name":174,"text":4715,"start_s":4716,"end_s":4717,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},762,"157830","By 2033, it's stipulated that you must advance to 100% sanitation.",4121.76,4128.56,{"idx":4719,"utterance_id":4720,"speaker_name":174,"text":4721,"start_s":4722,"end_s":4723,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},763,"157831","How is that going to be?",4129.48,4130.62,{"idx":4725,"utterance_id":4726,"speaker_name":174,"text":4727,"start_s":4728,"end_s":4729,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},764,"157832","Will the private sector put that money in, or will the State also need to contribute?",4131.16,4135.24,{"idx":4731,"utterance_id":4732,"speaker_name":174,"text":4733,"start_s":4734,"end_s":4735,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},765,"157833","If that's the case, it doesn't even make sense.",4136.16,4137.7,{"idx":4737,"utterance_id":4738,"speaker_name":174,"text":4739,"start_s":4740,"end_s":4741,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},766,"157834","It's a complicated dynamic.",4137.9,4139.2,{"idx":4743,"utterance_id":4744,"speaker_name":174,"text":4745,"start_s":4746,"end_s":4747,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},767,"157835","Orion, do you think PT in the state government would be able to curb this trend or even reverse what has already been done?",4139.22,4146.94,{"idx":4749,"utterance_id":4750,"speaker_name":174,"text":4751,"start_s":4752,"end_s":4753,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},768,"157836","I think it's difficult in the absence of a concrete proposal on this subject, because PT needs to rediscover itself, including its own identity.",4147.52,4156.7,{"idx":4755,"utterance_id":4756,"speaker_name":174,"text":4757,"start_s":4758,"end_s":4759,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},769,"157837","We talked a little while ago about Patrus; I think his main trump card as a candidate for governor is that relationship with Lula.",4157.46,4164,{"idx":4761,"utterance_id":4762,"speaker_name":174,"text":4763,"start_s":4764,"end_s":4765,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},770,"157838","That could lead him to be that center-left representative.",4164.2,4168.22,{"idx":4767,"utterance_id":4768,"speaker_name":174,"text":4769,"start_s":4770,"end_s":4771,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},771,"157839","The path is clear for him.",4168.48,4169.94,{"idx":4773,"utterance_id":4774,"speaker_name":174,"text":4775,"start_s":4776,"end_s":4777,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},772,"157840","Also because the other candidates are crowded over there in the center-right.",4170.28,4173.9,{"idx":4779,"utterance_id":4780,"speaker_name":174,"text":4781,"start_s":4782,"end_s":4783,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},773,"157841","We have three candidates there, Cleitinho, Matheus Simões and Flávio Roscoe.",4173.94,4177.98,{"idx":4785,"utterance_id":4786,"speaker_name":174,"text":4787,"start_s":4788,"end_s":4789,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},774,"157842","They will fight for votes among themselves, because there is already one spot; there are only two spots in the second round.",4178.32,4182.7,{"idx":4791,"utterance_id":4792,"speaker_name":174,"text":4793,"start_s":4794,"end_s":4795,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},775,"157843","So from that group only one of them will make it to the second round.",4182.72,4186.36,{"idx":4797,"utterance_id":4798,"speaker_name":174,"text":4799,"start_s":4800,"end_s":4801,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},776,"157844","In the center we have Gabriel Azevedo, who was here today, plus Calil.",4186.62,4189.68,{"idx":4803,"utterance_id":4804,"speaker_name":174,"text":4805,"start_s":4806,"end_s":4807,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},777,"157845","And in the center-left we have Patrus there almost alone.",4189.7,4193.12,{"idx":4809,"utterance_id":4810,"speaker_name":174,"text":4811,"start_s":4812,"end_s":4813,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},778,"157846","So the field is open for him to occupy.",4193.16,4195.56,{"idx":4815,"utterance_id":4816,"speaker_name":174,"text":4817,"start_s":4818,"end_s":4819,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},779,"157847","If all the PT members... have recovered that identity with PT and with Patrus, he will be in the second round.",4195.84,4203.4,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":4821,"speaker_name":174,"text":4822,"start_s":4823,"end_s":4824,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},"157848","He doesn't need to have that support from the center, for example.",4203.6,4206.18,{"idx":4826,"utterance_id":4827,"speaker_name":174,"text":4828,"start_s":4829,"end_s":4830,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},781,"157849","There in the second round he will need that.",4206.48,4207.86,{"idx":4832,"utterance_id":4833,"speaker_name":174,"text":4834,"start_s":4835,"end_s":4836,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},782,"157850","But to get to the second round, he needs the support of the PT members to get there.",4208.1,4212.24,{"idx":1010,"utterance_id":4838,"speaker_name":174,"text":4839,"start_s":4840,"end_s":4841,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},"157851","So the issue of privatization is a topic that deserves to be well discussed, because it was a disaster for Minas Gerais to hand over its water company, leaving 3 million residents of Minas Gerais without treated water.",4212.48,4225.4,{"idx":4843,"utterance_id":4844,"speaker_name":174,"text":4845,"start_s":4841,"end_s":4846,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},784,"157852","8 billion without basic sanitation.",4227.64,{"idx":4848,"utterance_id":4849,"speaker_name":174,"text":4850,"start_s":4851,"end_s":4852,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},785,"157853","And why did this happen?",4227.66,4228.72,{"idx":4854,"utterance_id":4855,"speaker_name":174,"text":4856,"start_s":4857,"end_s":4858,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},786,"157854","Because Copasa did not serve these municipalities and neither did the private sector want to serve these municipalities.",4229.02,4233.7,{"idx":4860,"utterance_id":4861,"speaker_name":174,"text":4862,"start_s":4863,"end_s":4864,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},787,"157855","They have their own life, they seek their own paths, they assemble their own resources.",4233.92,4237.66,{"idx":4866,"utterance_id":4867,"speaker_name":174,"text":4868,"start_s":4869,"end_s":4870,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},788,"157856","I met a mayor who says he drew the water and treated it himself with chlorine, then distributed that water by gravity.",4237.9,4246.32,{"idx":4872,"utterance_id":4873,"speaker_name":174,"text":4874,"start_s":4875,"end_s":4876,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},789,"157857","And I asked him, and what about sanitation?",4246.64,4247.86,{"idx":4878,"utterance_id":4879,"speaker_name":174,"text":4880,"start_s":4881,"end_s":4882,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},790,"157858","No, as for basic sanitation I throw everything into the other river.",4248.02,4249.72,{"idx":4884,"utterance_id":4885,"speaker_name":174,"text":4886,"start_s":4887,"end_s":4888,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},791,"157859","Because you have to solve the first necessity there.",4250.04,4252.72,{"idx":4890,"utterance_id":4891,"speaker_name":174,"text":4892,"start_s":4893,"end_s":4894,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},792,"157860","There has to be some solution, right?",4252.78,4253.86,{"idx":4896,"utterance_id":4897,"speaker_name":174,"text":4898,"start_s":4899,"end_s":4900,"word_count":485,"indexable":178},793,"157861","I also once spoke with some public managers from the region of Montes Claros, in northern Minas, and it was striking, because while we here in Belo Horizonte, in the metropolitan area, were talking about modernizing systems, over there people were talking, for the past two years, about creating cisterns.",4254.02,4273.7,{"idx":4902,"utterance_id":4903,"speaker_name":174,"text":4904,"start_s":4905,"end_s":4906,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},794,"157862","It's very precarious, isn't it, folks?",4274.88,4276.08,{"idx":4908,"utterance_id":4909,"speaker_name":174,"text":4910,"start_s":4911,"end_s":4912,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},795,"157863","Minas Gerais, by the way...",4276.16,4276.96,{"idx":4914,"utterance_id":4915,"speaker_name":174,"text":4916,"start_s":4917,"end_s":4918,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},796,"157864","The water issue is prehistoric.",4276.98,4278.14,{"idx":4920,"utterance_id":4921,"speaker_name":174,"text":4922,"start_s":4923,"end_s":4924,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},797,"157865","It's prehistoric.",4278.16,4278.98,{"idx":4926,"utterance_id":4927,"speaker_name":174,"text":4928,"start_s":4929,"end_s":4930,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},798,"157866","If we are going to talk about Minas Gerais, it's a gigantic challenge, isn't it, Ana?",4279,4283.14,{"idx":4932,"utterance_id":4933,"speaker_name":174,"text":4934,"start_s":4935,"end_s":4936,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},799,"157867","It's an absurd regional inequality.",4283.18,4284.94,{"idx":4938,"utterance_id":4939,"speaker_name":174,"text":4940,"start_s":4941,"end_s":4942,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},800,"157868","Absurd.",4285.1,4286.08,{"idx":4944,"utterance_id":4945,"speaker_name":174,"text":4946,"start_s":4947,"end_s":4948,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},801,"157869","Who among these candidates do you think",4286.32,4288.26,{"idx":4950,"utterance_id":4951,"speaker_name":174,"text":4952,"start_s":4953,"end_s":4954,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},802,"157870","do you think is more aware of the extent of the regional inequality?",4288.3,4292.72,{"idx":4956,"utterance_id":4957,"speaker_name":174,"text":4958,"start_s":4959,"end_s":4960,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},803,"157871","I don't know about 'awareness,' but I think, for example, the governor himself is very well informed because he has the machine in hand and has already been in government for eight years and is trying, at least, to get into",4292.94,4305.5,{"idx":4962,"utterance_id":4963,"speaker_name":174,"text":4964,"start_s":4965,"end_s":4966,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},804,"157872","all regions of the State and to talk with those regions of the State.",4306.04,4310.12,{"idx":4968,"utterance_id":4969,"speaker_name":174,"text":4970,"start_s":4971,"end_s":4972,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},805,"157873","Now, whether he is aware that each region needs different policies, different investments, different priorities, that I don't know.",4310.96,4322.32,{"idx":4974,"utterance_id":4975,"speaker_name":174,"text":4976,"start_s":4977,"end_s":4978,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},806,"157874","But I don't know that she is a specialist in economic policy, tell me one thing.",4322.82,4326.12,{"idx":4980,"utterance_id":4981,"speaker_name":174,"text":4982,"start_s":4983,"end_s":4984,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},807,"157875","But it's as important as or more than nationalization or privatization; it's a matter of management.",4326.56,4331.56,{"idx":4986,"utterance_id":4987,"speaker_name":174,"text":4988,"start_s":4989,"end_s":4990,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},808,"157876","The government said it sold Copasa because it was... nonfunctional, inefficient.",4332.06,4335.98,{"idx":4992,"utterance_id":4993,"speaker_name":174,"text":4994,"start_s":4995,"end_s":4996,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},809,"157877","And that it did not have good management.",4336,4337.06,{"idx":4998,"utterance_id":4999,"speaker_name":174,"text":5000,"start_s":5001,"end_s":5002,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},810,"157878","Who is the manager of Copasa?",4337.54,4339.16,{"idx":5004,"utterance_id":5005,"speaker_name":174,"text":5006,"start_s":5007,"end_s":5008,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},811,"157879","Who is the manager of Semig, if it's not the governor of the State?",4339.42,4341.66,{"idx":5010,"utterance_id":5011,"speaker_name":174,"text":5012,"start_s":5013,"end_s":5014,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},812,"157880","So, change the leadership and put in an efficient administration.",4341.92,4345.4,{"idx":5016,"utterance_id":5017,"speaker_name":174,"text":5018,"start_s":5019,"end_s":5020,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},813,"157881","Now, you saw Gabriel a little while ago saying here that the current governor, a candidate for re-election, has handed over, will hand over the leadership of Semig to a party that supports him.",4345.68,4356.28,{"idx":5022,"utterance_id":5023,"speaker_name":174,"text":5024,"start_s":5025,"end_s":5026,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},814,"157882","In other words, it seems the party is already calling in that favor, because if he isn't re-elected, they would occupy Semig for at least three months.",4356.68,4364.34,{"idx":5028,"utterance_id":5029,"speaker_name":174,"text":5030,"start_s":5031,"end_s":5032,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},815,"157883","There's no concern about management, is there?",4365.66,4367.64,{"idx":5034,"utterance_id":5035,"speaker_name":174,"text":5036,"start_s":5037,"end_s":5038,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},816,"157884","Actually, there is.",4368.92,4369.82,{"idx":5040,"utterance_id":5041,"speaker_name":174,"text":5042,"start_s":5043,"end_s":5044,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},817,"157885","to stay in that position as long as you can.",4369.86,4372.2,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":5046,"speaker_name":174,"text":5047,"start_s":5048,"end_s":5049,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},"157886","To reap every advantage from them.",4372.66,4374.24,{"idx":5051,"utterance_id":5052,"speaker_name":174,"text":5053,"start_s":5054,"end_s":5055,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},819,"157887","Take the benefits.",4374.28,4375.34,{"idx":5057,"utterance_id":5058,"speaker_name":174,"text":5059,"start_s":5060,"end_s":5061,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},820,"157888","We'll quickly, Guilherme, go to the Upper Paranaíba Valley to find out what people there want to ask the candidates.",4375.8,4385.34,{"idx":5063,"utterance_id":5064,"speaker_name":174,"text":5065,"start_s":5066,"end_s":5067,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},821,"157889","My name is Flávio Márcio Ferreira Silva, I'm from São Gotardo, in the Alto Paranaíba region.",4386.34,4392.64,{"idx":5069,"utterance_id":5070,"speaker_name":174,"text":5071,"start_s":5072,"end_s":5073,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},822,"157890","I'm a rural producer and today I'm president of AMIPA, the Minas Gerais Association of Garlic Producers.",4393.68,4402.12,{"idx":5075,"utterance_id":5076,"speaker_name":174,"text":5077,"start_s":5078,"end_s":5079,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},823,"157891","Senator Cleitinho, what are your proposals for agribusiness and, if you win the election, how do you intend to structure the Secretariat of Agriculture?",4403.1,4414.96,{"idx":5081,"utterance_id":5082,"speaker_name":174,"text":5083,"start_s":5084,"end_s":5085,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},824,"157892","Very well, there's the question then.",4416.68,4419.28,{"idx":5087,"utterance_id":5088,"speaker_name":174,"text":5089,"start_s":5090,"end_s":5091,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},825,"157893","Let's now go to another question for Cleitinho, folks.",4420.4,4423.94,{"idx":5093,"utterance_id":5094,"speaker_name":174,"text":5095,"start_s":5096,"end_s":5097,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},826,"157894","It seems that in the Minas repertoire, Cleitinho is better distributed.",4423.98,4430.12,{"idx":5099,"utterance_id":5100,"speaker_name":174,"text":5101,"start_s":5102,"end_s":5103,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},827,"157895","It reflects in the polls.",4430.14,4430.78,{"idx":5105,"utterance_id":5106,"speaker_name":174,"text":5107,"start_s":5108,"end_s":5109,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},828,"157896","Exactly, the State really reflects the polls, the sample of the questions.",4432.9,4437.74,{"idx":5111,"utterance_id":5112,"speaker_name":174,"text":1109,"start_s":5113,"end_s":5114,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},829,"157897",4438.16,4438.66,{"idx":5116,"utterance_id":5117,"speaker_name":174,"text":5118,"start_s":5119,"end_s":5120,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},830,"157898","We're now going to—look—Adriana Reis asked in our YouTube stream; she said, 'look, I'm a teacher in the state school system, in full-time education.'",4439.34,4449.88,{"idx":5122,"utterance_id":5123,"speaker_name":174,"text":5124,"start_s":5125,"end_s":5126,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},831,"157899","In the formats offered by the State, it doesn't work.",4450.32,4453.1,{"idx":5128,"utterance_id":5129,"speaker_name":174,"text":5130,"start_s":5131,"end_s":5132,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},832,"157900","How will high school students stay at school all day without any financial incentive?",4453.54,4460.82,{"idx":5134,"utterance_id":5135,"speaker_name":174,"text":5136,"start_s":5137,"end_s":5138,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},833,"157901","There's the question.",4460.84,4461.82,{"idx":5140,"utterance_id":5141,"speaker_name":174,"text":5142,"start_s":5143,"end_s":5144,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},834,"157902","Education, folks, education is one of the most sensitive issues in the lives of people from Minas.",4462.22,4468.62,{"idx":5146,"utterance_id":5147,"speaker_name":174,"text":5148,"start_s":5149,"end_s":5150,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},835,"157903","We just saw Gabriel Azevedo make a kind of statement about part of his proposal for that portfolio.",4468.64,4477.9,{"idx":5152,"utterance_id":5153,"speaker_name":174,"text":5154,"start_s":5155,"end_s":5156,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},836,"157904","Minas Gerais is left with this episode of Matheus Simões' legacy, which divides opinions and is very controversial: the civic-military school.",4479.34,4491.94,{"idx":5158,"utterance_id":5159,"speaker_name":174,"text":5160,"start_s":5161,"end_s":5162,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},837,"157905","What do you all think about that?",4491.96,4493.12,{"idx":5164,"utterance_id":5165,"speaker_name":174,"text":5166,"start_s":5167,"end_s":5168,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},838,"157906","Speaking of privatization.",4494.04,4495.5,{"idx":5170,"utterance_id":5171,"speaker_name":174,"text":5172,"start_s":5173,"end_s":5174,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},839,"157907","Totally against it.",4496.82,4497.78,{"idx":5176,"utterance_id":5177,"speaker_name":174,"text":5178,"start_s":5179,"end_s":5180,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},840,"157908","Totally against it?",4498.66,4499.48,{"idx":5182,"utterance_id":5183,"speaker_name":174,"text":5184,"start_s":5185,"end_s":5186,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},841,"157909","Totally.",4499.5,4500.1,{"idx":5188,"utterance_id":5189,"speaker_name":174,"text":5190,"start_s":5191,"end_s":5192,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},842,"157910","I like this topic.",4500.46,4501.82,{"idx":5194,"utterance_id":5195,"speaker_name":174,"text":5196,"start_s":5197,"end_s":5198,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},843,"157911","Why do I like this topic?",4501.92,4503.18,{"idx":5200,"utterance_id":5201,"speaker_name":174,"text":5202,"start_s":5203,"end_s":5204,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},844,"157912","Because it is, like the most controversial and moral issues, like legalization of abortion, lowering the age of criminal responsibility, this issue stirs people's passions.",4503.26,4517.26,{"idx":5206,"utterance_id":5207,"speaker_name":174,"text":1353,"start_s":5208,"end_s":5209,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},845,"157913",4517.84,4518.12,{"idx":5211,"utterance_id":5212,"speaker_name":174,"text":5213,"start_s":5214,"end_s":5215,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},846,"157914","Because it's exactly that doubt.",4518.18,4522.02,{"idx":5217,"utterance_id":5218,"speaker_name":174,"text":5219,"start_s":5220,"end_s":5221,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},847,"157915","Is it better... to start a process of taking education out of the State's hands?",4522.62,4529.18,{"idx":5223,"utterance_id":5224,"speaker_name":174,"text":5225,"start_s":5226,"end_s":5227,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},848,"157916","Because, since it's such a fragile area, which so many people say has been getting worse in quality in recent years and so on, or is it not?",4529.54,4538.5,{"idx":5229,"utterance_id":5230,"speaker_name":174,"text":5231,"start_s":5232,"end_s":5233,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},849,"157917","Do we want to further reinforce the responsibility of the State?",4538.56,4542.04,{"idx":5235,"utterance_id":5236,"speaker_name":174,"text":5237,"start_s":5238,"end_s":5239,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},850,"157918","Because there's a problem in education, and we have several; it doesn't justify militarizing the schools.",4542.06,4547.86,{"idx":5241,"utterance_id":5242,"speaker_name":174,"text":5243,"start_s":5244,"end_s":5245,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},851,"157919","The way it is, it's bad.",4548.74,4549.86,{"idx":5247,"utterance_id":5248,"speaker_name":174,"text":5249,"start_s":5250,"end_s":5251,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},852,"157920","Well, so will we get worse or will we stay just as bad?",4550,4552.74,{"idx":5253,"utterance_id":5254,"speaker_name":174,"text":5255,"start_s":5256,"end_s":5257,"word_count":426,"indexable":178},853,"157921","I think you have to have policies and candidates that offer very concrete proposals about what can be done, and there are many examples in other states that have advanced on this issue of public education, of what can effectively be done to improve.",4553.36,4568.5,{"idx":5259,"utterance_id":5260,"speaker_name":174,"text":5261,"start_s":5262,"end_s":5263,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},854,"157922","It certainly involves, in my view, investment in the teacher.",4569.6,4573.68,{"idx":5265,"utterance_id":5266,"speaker_name":174,"text":5267,"start_s":5268,"end_s":5269,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},855,"157923","Without a teacher with good training, good salaries, and recognition, I think it's hard to talk about improving education.",4574.72,4582.5,{"idx":5271,"utterance_id":5272,"speaker_name":174,"text":5273,"start_s":5274,"end_s":5275,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},856,"157924","It has to involve the teacher.",4583.4,4585.04,{"idx":5277,"utterance_id":5278,"speaker_name":174,"text":5279,"start_s":5280,"end_s":5281,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},857,"157925","But is it a pedagogical proposal or an electoral one—are you defending the civic-military school to win the support of some kind of voter?",4585.08,4592.74,{"idx":5283,"utterance_id":5284,"speaker_name":174,"text":5285,"start_s":5286,"end_s":5287,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},858,"157926","You like this measure, that hardening, that wants... that believes the school has to impose...",4593.1,4597.22,{"idx":5289,"utterance_id":5290,"speaker_name":174,"text":5291,"start_s":5292,"end_s":5293,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},859,"157927","That is about strictness, including in the prison system, strictness in education, as if a hard-line approach would... provide an answer to this.",4597.28,4604.32,{"idx":5295,"utterance_id":5296,"speaker_name":174,"text":5297,"start_s":5298,"end_s":5299,"word_count":400,"indexable":178},860,"157928","Now, the civic-military school, its biggest threat, in my opinion, is the format of the contracts, folks, which are contracts that open the doors wide for this model, which is a semi-privatization model, where you transfer the responsibility...",4604.4,4621.88,{"idx":5301,"utterance_id":5302,"speaker_name":174,"text":5303,"start_s":5304,"end_s":5305,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},861,"157929","And you give up the pedagogical project, you're reinventing the wheel, Guilherme.",4621.9,4625.52,{"idx":5307,"utterance_id":5308,"speaker_name":174,"text":5309,"start_s":5310,"end_s":5311,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},862,"157930","There is a national law, LOAS, that guides how one should proceed in schools.",4626.22,4630.28,{"idx":5313,"utterance_id":5314,"speaker_name":174,"text":1109,"start_s":5315,"end_s":5316,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},863,"157931",4630.32,4630.84,{"idx":5318,"utterance_id":5319,"speaker_name":174,"text":5320,"start_s":5321,"end_s":5322,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},864,"157932","So you have a method here, no one is inventing this, there is always a method here.",4630.86,4634.62,{"idx":5324,"utterance_id":5325,"speaker_name":174,"text":5326,"start_s":5327,"end_s":5328,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},865,"157933","What is missing is what you said: investment in teachers; they are the specialists in teaching.",4635.22,4640.26,{"idx":5330,"utterance_id":5331,"speaker_name":174,"text":5332,"start_s":5333,"end_s":5334,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},866,"157934","If you have a well-paid teacher, give them training, continuing education, ongoing study, they will always be prepared to bring education and guide these kids.",4640.46,4651.2,{"idx":5336,"utterance_id":5337,"speaker_name":174,"text":5338,"start_s":5339,"end_s":5340,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},867,"157935","to help them graduate and support them at the time they need it most, when they are in a growth phase.",4651.56,4655.52,{"idx":5342,"utterance_id":5343,"speaker_name":174,"text":5344,"start_s":5345,"end_s":5346,"word_count":343,"indexable":178},868,"157936","It's like the story of a well-made beans-and-rice, and in the context of education it's about pursuing a set of efficiency indicators, whether in mathematics or reading comprehension; I can't see how the presence of the military can contribute to that.",4655.64,4668.84,{"idx":5348,"utterance_id":5349,"speaker_name":174,"text":5350,"start_s":5351,"end_s":5352,"word_count":420,"indexable":178},869,"157937","And this discussion of the civic-military school, at least in my opinion... It's a bit distorted, as if it were to reproduce for all the schools that adopted this model a standard of teaching like pulling teeth, which is another thing.",4669.3,4682.82,{"idx":5354,"utterance_id":5355,"speaker_name":174,"text":5356,"start_s":5357,"end_s":5358,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},870,"157938","It's not the presence of the military there per se... Because, honestly, if it were only that, I'm simplifying, as I think the military school proposal is, at some point.",4682.94,4693.26,{"idx":5360,"utterance_id":5361,"speaker_name":174,"text":5362,"start_s":5363,"end_s":5364,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},871,"157939","Simplistic and solves nothing.",4693.64,4695.3,{"idx":5366,"utterance_id":5367,"speaker_name":174,"text":5368,"start_s":5369,"end_s":5370,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},872,"157940","Shallow.",4695.32,4695.74,{"idx":5372,"utterance_id":5373,"speaker_name":174,"text":5368,"start_s":5374,"end_s":5375,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},873,"157941",4695.98,4696.4,{"idx":5377,"utterance_id":5378,"speaker_name":174,"text":5379,"start_s":5380,"end_s":5381,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},874,"157942","If that's really the problem, then fine, let's do the following: let's install network 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know how I interpret this proposal?",4710.68,4712.68,{"idx":5413,"utterance_id":5414,"speaker_name":174,"text":5415,"start_s":5416,"end_s":5417,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},880,"157948","As denialism.",4712.72,4713.76,{"idx":5419,"utterance_id":5420,"speaker_name":174,"text":5421,"start_s":5422,"end_s":5423,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},881,"157949","In the same way that you deny science, deny vaccines, those people who say these schools don't work are denying what they themselves learned.",4713.84,4723.12,{"idx":5425,"utterance_id":5426,"speaker_name":174,"text":5427,"start_s":5428,"end_s":5429,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},882,"157950","Who was it that taught them to read and write?",4723.14,4724.64,{"idx":5431,"utterance_id":5432,"speaker_name":174,"text":5433,"start_s":5434,"end_s":5435,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},883,"157951","They grew up and now want to change the public school.",4725.02,4727.16,{"idx":5437,"utterance_id":5438,"speaker_name":174,"text":5439,"start_s":5440,"end_s":5441,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},884,"157952","They grew up and deny vaccines, but if it weren't for the vaccine, they wouldn't be alive today to be able to make these proposals.",4727.52,4733.24,{"idx":5443,"utterance_id":5444,"speaker_name":174,"text":5445,"start_s":5446,"end_s":5447,"word_count":239,"indexable":178},885,"157953","There is a similarity with what you said before, which was regarding this issue with Copasa, which is when the governor or any government goes there to accuse mismanagement or managerial inefficiency.",4733.76,4743.54,{"idx":5449,"utterance_id":5450,"speaker_name":174,"text":5451,"start_s":5452,"end_s":5453,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},886,"157954","In the entity, that should be a fatal contradiction, because he is there, from that place, saying, 'I can't manage.'",4744.14,4750.34,{"idx":5455,"utterance_id":5456,"speaker_name":174,"text":5457,"start_s":5458,"end_s":5459,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},887,"157955","Like most politicians, the crowd goes to the assembly saying, 'we want a state-owned company free from political cronies.'",4750.66,4756.7,{"idx":5461,"utterance_id":5462,"speaker_name":174,"text":5463,"start_s":5464,"end_s":5465,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},888,"157956","The day after the election, the first thing the guy does is vie for the appointment to the superintendency.",4757.2,4762.14,{"idx":5467,"utterance_id":5468,"speaker_name":174,"text":5469,"start_s":5470,"end_s":5471,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},889,"157957","And hand it over to the Union.",4762.16,4763.14,{"idx":5473,"utterance_id":5474,"speaker_name":174,"text":5475,"start_s":5476,"end_s":5477,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},890,"157958","it's not a... a patronage, a biological co-optation.",4763.24,4767.6,{"idx":5479,"utterance_id":5480,"speaker_name":174,"text":5481,"start_s":5482,"end_s":5483,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},891,"157959","Now, about Matheus Simões, I'm going to call another question here.",4767.64,4772.36,{"idx":5485,"utterance_id":5486,"speaker_name":174,"text":5487,"start_s":5488,"end_s":5489,"word_count":527,"indexable":178},892,"157960","I think all this pomp around this proposal, which is a program he used a lot as a way to reach people and public opinion, I think it's also something he exploits, which comes, of course, from the experience with... Bolsonarism, which is the fetishization of the military, of that thing of military structure.",4772.78,4796.94,{"idx":5491,"utterance_id":5492,"speaker_name":174,"text":5493,"start_s":5494,"end_s":5495,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},893,"157961","We said here that the specialists in teaching are the teachers.",4796.96,4799.84,{"idx":5497,"utterance_id":5498,"speaker_name":174,"text":5499,"start_s":5500,"end_s":5501,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},894,"157962","Now, I'll ask you something.",4800.2,4801,{"idx":5503,"utterance_id":5504,"speaker_name":174,"text":5505,"start_s":5506,"end_s":5507,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},895,"157963","You have a proposal that was rejected by the Court of Accounts and was disapproved.",4801.02,4805.24,{"idx":5509,"utterance_id":5510,"speaker_name":174,"text":5511,"start_s":5512,"end_s":5513,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},896,"157964","It was rejected by the Court of Justice at second 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fantastic?",4819.04,4822.02,{"idx":5539,"utterance_id":5540,"speaker_name":174,"text":5541,"start_s":5542,"end_s":5543,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},901,"157969","Isn't this a way of linking with Bolsonarism, this insistence of Matheus Simões?",4822.26,4825.7,{"idx":5545,"utterance_id":5546,"speaker_name":174,"text":5547,"start_s":5548,"end_s":5549,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},902,"157970","Without a doubt it is.",4825.72,4826.32,{"idx":5551,"utterance_id":5552,"speaker_name":174,"text":5553,"start_s":5554,"end_s":5555,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},903,"157971","As a voter, yes.",4826.36,4827.22,{"idx":5557,"utterance_id":5558,"speaker_name":174,"text":5559,"start_s":5560,"end_s":5561,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},904,"157972","Let's move on to the next question from people across the State about education.",4827.64,4833.52,{"idx":5563,"utterance_id":5564,"speaker_name":174,"text":5565,"start_s":5566,"end_s":5567,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},905,"157973","Hello, my name is Raquel and I'm from São Lourenço, in the south of Minas Gerais.",4835.16,4839.34,{"idx":5569,"utterance_id":5570,"speaker_name":174,"text":5571,"start_s":5572,"end_s":5573,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},906,"157974","I would like to ask a question to candidate Cretinho.",4839.72,4842.72,{"idx":5575,"utterance_id":5576,"speaker_name":174,"text":5577,"start_s":5578,"end_s":5579,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},907,"157975","What will be your concrete actions, with timelines and resources, to value education professionals?",4843.08,4849.46,{"idx":5581,"utterance_id":5582,"speaker_name":174,"text":5583,"start_s":5584,"end_s":5585,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},908,"157976","Because it's urgent.",4849.84,4850.64,{"idx":5587,"utterance_id":5588,"speaker_name":174,"text":5589,"start_s":5590,"end_s":5591,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},909,"157977","It's about the issues of teachers, and I'd like to know what your actions will be if 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campaign, before the first round, whenever you tell us, we'll put it out for the people to hear and see, okay?",4869.06,4877.6,{"idx":5623,"utterance_id":5624,"speaker_name":174,"text":5625,"start_s":5626,"end_s":5627,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},915,"157983","Folks, education is something that touches people deeply, particularly women.",4878.18,4882.94,{"idx":5629,"utterance_id":5630,"speaker_name":174,"text":5631,"start_s":5632,"end_s":5633,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},916,"157984","Because if you look at the sphere of care and education, it's women.",4883.38,4889.28,{"idx":5635,"utterance_id":5636,"speaker_name":174,"text":5637,"start_s":5638,"end_s":5639,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},917,"157985","The women in education and the women in health.",4889.64,4892.34,{"idx":5641,"utterance_id":5642,"speaker_name":174,"text":5643,"start_s":5644,"end_s":5645,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},918,"157986","Go into a hospital to see, a public hospital, and 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think there are many nurses, but what about the cleaner?",4910.18,4915.02,{"idx":5677,"utterance_id":5678,"speaker_name":174,"text":5679,"start_s":5680,"end_s":5681,"word_count":350,"indexable":178},924,"157992","And the woman who works in the canteen, whether in the school canteen, or in the place in a hospital that's not called a canteen but is the kitchen.",4915.84,4925.72,{"idx":5683,"utterance_id":5684,"speaker_name":174,"text":5685,"start_s":5686,"end_s":5687,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},925,"157993","If you go in there, they're women.",4925.74,4927.96,{"idx":5689,"utterance_id":5690,"speaker_name":174,"text":5691,"start_s":5692,"end_s":5693,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},926,"157994","So when we think that education and health, even in that work that is very invisible, which is the work of cleaning, of 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two.",4979.18,4981.62,{"idx":5772,"utterance_id":5773,"speaker_name":174,"text":5774,"start_s":5775,"end_s":5776,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},940,"158008","I live in Ibirité.",4982.14,4982.84,{"idx":5778,"utterance_id":5779,"speaker_name":174,"text":5780,"start_s":5781,"end_s":5782,"word_count":575,"indexable":178},941,"158009","I would like to know... What is your proposal to help single mothers, especially solo mothers who don't have a support network, who have nowhere to leave their children, because if they have to pay someone to stay with the child, besides being risky because you don't know the person, sometimes you spend a large part of that income and sometimes it ends up not being worth it.",4983.62,5005.8,{"idx":5784,"utterance_id":5785,"speaker_name":174,"text":5786,"start_s":5787,"end_s":5788,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},942,"158010","How do you intend to help mothers reconcile employment and motherhood?",5006.44,5011.2,{"idx":5790,"utterance_id":5791,"speaker_name":174,"text":5792,"start_s":5793,"end_s":5794,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},943,"158011","Vivian from Ibirité sent this tough question to all the candidates.",5013.42,5018.76,{"idx":5796,"utterance_id":5797,"speaker_name":174,"text":5798,"start_s":5799,"end_s":5800,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},944,"158012","And do you think the government plans of the candidates in this election speak to needs as real as Vivian's?",5019.52,5027.04,{"idx":5802,"utterance_id":5803,"speaker_name":174,"text":5804,"start_s":5805,"end_s":5806,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},945,"158013","I don't remember, I don't recall.",5028.38,5030.08,{"idx":5808,"utterance_id":5809,"speaker_name":174,"text":5810,"start_s":5811,"end_s":5812,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},946,"158014","For example, she asked a question about daycare.",5030.12,5032.94,{"idx":5814,"utterance_id":5815,"speaker_name":174,"text":5816,"start_s":5817,"end_s":5818,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},947,"158015","You need to have daycare operating at night so that the mother can either work at night or study at night.",5033.08,5039.38,{"idx":5820,"utterance_id":5821,"speaker_name":174,"text":5822,"start_s":5823,"end_s":5824,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},948,"158016","And I see very... very few candidates, or almost none, talking about that.",5039.94,5044.3,{"idx":5826,"utterance_id":5827,"speaker_name":174,"text":5828,"start_s":5829,"end_s":5830,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},949,"158017","We are having difficulty with full-time schooling.",5044.94,5047.16,{"idx":5832,"utterance_id":5833,"speaker_name":174,"text":5834,"start_s":5835,"end_s":5836,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},950,"158018","So we put the whole problem back onto education.",5047.6,5050.08,{"idx":5838,"utterance_id":5839,"speaker_name":174,"text":5840,"start_s":5841,"end_s":5842,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},951,"158019","Because if that mother had a quality school, with well-trained, well-paid, well-recognized teachers taking care of her child full-time... she would certainly have more peace of mind to work.",5050.94,5064.54,{"idx":5844,"utterance_id":5845,"speaker_name":174,"text":5846,"start_s":5847,"end_s":5848,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},952,"158020","And the public authorities are not recognizing either single mothers or atypical 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well, with quality, would already yield results.",5117.96,5124,{"idx":5922,"utterance_id":5923,"speaker_name":174,"text":5924,"start_s":5925,"end_s":5926,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},965,"158033","And this issue — we're already getting into the health part, but before that I'll go back just a little to this discussion of the care economy.",5124.84,5133.72,{"idx":5928,"utterance_id":5929,"speaker_name":174,"text":5930,"start_s":5931,"end_s":5932,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},966,"158034","It closely touches on our experience as women in society.",5134.32,5137.92,{"idx":38,"utterance_id":5934,"speaker_name":174,"text":5935,"start_s":5936,"end_s":5937,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},"158035","And there's always this question: more women in power, especially in the executive — Orion, Guilherme and Ana, do you think that would solve the 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Jequitinhonha there, we heard Nanuc's participation.",5150.64,5162.58,{"idx":5945,"utterance_id":5946,"speaker_name":174,"text":5947,"start_s":5948,"end_s":5949,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},969,"158037","If each of these people could be represented in this government, in government, we would have a global view of what Minas really needs.",5162.88,5170.5,{"idx":5951,"utterance_id":5952,"speaker_name":174,"text":5953,"start_s":5954,"end_s":5955,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},970,"158038","So it's fundamental to have that diversity, that complementarity in government.",5170.72,5175.26,{"idx":5957,"utterance_id":5958,"speaker_name":174,"text":5959,"start_s":5960,"end_s":5961,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},971,"158039","And we only have, remember, one woman in this year's electoral race, who is Indira Xavier, from União 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Áurea.",5187.16,5191.26,{"idx":5991,"utterance_id":5992,"speaker_name":174,"text":5993,"start_s":5994,"end_s":5995,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},977,"158045","If memory serves me right, they're just the two.",5192.12,5194.12,{"idx":5997,"utterance_id":5998,"speaker_name":174,"text":5999,"start_s":6000,"end_s":6001,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},978,"158046","So I see little representation, even in the contest.",5194.6,5198,{"idx":6003,"utterance_id":6004,"speaker_name":174,"text":6005,"start_s":6006,"end_s":6007,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},979,"158047","Whether for the Legislative or for the Executive.",5199.56,5201.68,{"idx":6009,"utterance_id":6010,"speaker_name":174,"text":6011,"start_s":6012,"end_s":6013,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},980,"158048","We see parties still having an enormous difficulty in filling those 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Minas, which is health.",5240.28,5247.56,{"idx":6069,"utterance_id":6070,"speaker_name":174,"text":6071,"start_s":6072,"end_s":6073,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},990,"158058","Are there questions on this topic?",5247.72,5249.24,{"idx":6075,"utterance_id":6076,"speaker_name":174,"text":6077,"start_s":6078,"end_s":6079,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},991,"158059","Dear friends, peace and good.",5250.2,5251.42,{"idx":6081,"utterance_id":6082,"speaker_name":174,"text":6083,"start_s":6084,"end_s":6085,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},992,"158060","I am Father Tiago Augusto, episcopal vicar for political action of the Archdiocese of Belo Horizonte.",5251.84,5257.6,{"idx":6087,"utterance_id":6088,"speaker_name":174,"text":2113,"start_s":6089,"end_s":6090,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},993,"158061",5258.54,5259.2,{"idx":6092,"utterance_id":6093,"speaker_name":174,"text":6094,"start_s":6095,"end_s":6096,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},994,"158062","IPSEG is an 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Belo Horizonte cannot refuse the system, it's universal, he has to treat everyone equally.",5345.56,5355.22,{"idx":6260,"utterance_id":6261,"speaker_name":174,"text":6262,"start_s":6263,"end_s":6264,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},1022,"158090","So he can't refuse, but 60% of that overload on Belo Horizonte, on BH, comes from the interior with these services that are not provided where the citizen lives.",5355.44,5365.88,{"idx":6266,"utterance_id":6267,"speaker_name":174,"text":6268,"start_s":6269,"end_s":6270,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1023,"158091","Now, look at the question the priest asked.",5366.26,5368.02,{"idx":6272,"utterance_id":6273,"speaker_name":174,"text":6274,"start_s":6275,"end_s":6276,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1024,"158092","He specifically asks about IPSENG.",5368.16,5370.6,{"idx":6278,"utterance_id":6279,"speaker_name":174,"text":6280,"start_s":6281,"end_s":6282,"word_count":350,"indexable":178},1025,"158093","And we have the candidates discussing a lot whether the regional hospital in Divinópolis and in other cities is ready, not ready, took too long to be ready, should have been ready earlier.",5371,5381.1,{"idx":6284,"utterance_id":6285,"speaker_name":174,"text":6286,"start_s":6287,"end_s":6288,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1026,"158094","And I haven't seen the candidates talking about IPSENG.",5381.64,5384.8,{"idx":6290,"utterance_id":6291,"speaker_name":174,"text":6292,"start_s":6293,"end_s":6294,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},1027,"158095","They keep fighting over the regional hospital, which the government built, shouldn't have built, took too long to build, to decentralize.",5387.82,5396.18,{"idx":6296,"utterance_id":6297,"speaker_name":174,"text":6298,"start_s":6299,"end_s":6300,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},1028,"158096","Okay, it's an important discussion and Oriol brought data showing that we really need to decentralize health care.",5396.3,5403.22,{"idx":6302,"utterance_id":6303,"speaker_name":174,"text":6304,"start_s":6305,"end_s":6306,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},1029,"158097","But the Ipseng that is there, that is already established, and that is decaying, without management, I think it doesn't cover what... what it spends, right?",5403.68,5415.84,{"idx":6308,"utterance_id":6309,"speaker_name":174,"text":6310,"start_s":6311,"end_s":6312,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1030,"158098","Anyway, it's inefficient.",5415.86,5418.36,{"idx":6314,"utterance_id":6315,"speaker_name":174,"text":6316,"start_s":6317,"end_s":6318,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1031,"158099","And it still has a social security contribution from the employees themselves.",5418.38,5421.24,{"idx":6320,"utterance_id":6321,"speaker_name":174,"text":6322,"start_s":6323,"end_s":6324,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1032,"158100","Their whole lives.",5421.34,5422.18,{"idx":6326,"utterance_id":6327,"speaker_name":174,"text":6328,"start_s":6329,"end_s":6330,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1033,"158101","And when you need it most, there isn't even minimal care.",5424.2,5427.8,{"idx":6332,"utterance_id":6333,"speaker_name":174,"text":6334,"start_s":6335,"end_s":6336,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1034,"158102","It should be very good to take care of those who take care.",5427.82,5429.9,{"idx":6338,"utterance_id":6339,"speaker_name":174,"text":1109,"start_s":6340,"end_s":6341,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},1035,"158103",5430.42,5431.3,{"idx":6343,"utterance_id":6344,"speaker_name":174,"text":6345,"start_s":6346,"end_s":6347,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},1036,"158104","Well, now we go to the electoral poll conducted by Real Time Big Data, which pointed out the voting intentions of the people of Minas.",5431.32,5439.86,{"idx":6349,"utterance_id":6350,"speaker_name":174,"text":6351,"start_s":6347,"end_s":6352,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},1037,"158105","2,000 people were interviewed between August 22 and 26 and the confidence level of the poll is 95%.",5447.42,{"idx":6354,"utterance_id":6355,"speaker_name":174,"text":6356,"start_s":6357,"end_s":6358,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1038,"158106","The margin of error is two percentage points, plus or minus.",5447.9,5451.54,{"idx":6360,"utterance_id":6361,"speaker_name":174,"text":6362,"start_s":6363,"end_s":6364,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},1039,"158107","Let's then look at the result of this prompted survey in which the candidates' names are presented and the voter chooses who they will vote for.",5451.64,5459.94,{"idx":6366,"utterance_id":6367,"speaker_name":174,"text":6368,"start_s":6369,"end_s":6370,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},1040,"158108","The poll on the government of Minas was released this Thursday, August 27, 2026, by the Real Time Big Data Institute.",5462.34,5470.9,{"idx":6372,"utterance_id":6373,"speaker_name":174,"text":6374,"start_s":6375,"end_s":6376,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1041,"158109","In the stimulated first-round scenario, Cleitinho Azevedo, from Republicanos, has 33% of the voting intentions.",5471.54,5478.86,{"idx":6378,"utterance_id":6379,"speaker_name":174,"text":6380,"start_s":6381,"end_s":6382,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1042,"158110","Patruzana Nias, from PT, 15%.",5479.4,5480.82,{"idx":6384,"utterance_id":6385,"speaker_name":174,"text":6386,"start_s":6387,"end_s":6388,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1043,"158111","Alexandre Calil, from PDT, 13%.",5482.88,5484.42,{"idx":6390,"utterance_id":6391,"speaker_name":174,"text":6392,"start_s":6393,"end_s":6394,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1044,"158112","Matheus Simões, from PSD.",5486.68,5488.34,{"idx":6396,"utterance_id":6397,"speaker_name":174,"text":6398,"start_s":6394,"end_s":6399,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},1045,"158113","11%.",5488.38,{"idx":6401,"utterance_id":6402,"speaker_name":174,"text":6403,"start_s":6404,"end_s":6405,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1046,"158114","Gabriel Azevedo, from MDB, 7%.",5490.8,5492.46,{"idx":6407,"utterance_id":6408,"speaker_name":174,"text":6409,"start_s":6410,"end_s":6411,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1047,"158115","Flávio Roscoe, from PL, 5%.",5494.68,5497.26,{"idx":6413,"utterance_id":6414,"speaker_name":174,"text":6415,"start_s":6416,"end_s":6417,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1048,"158116","Ben Mendes, from Missão, 3%.",5498.18,5499.54,{"idx":6419,"utterance_id":6420,"speaker_name":174,"text":6421,"start_s":6422,"end_s":6423,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1049,"158117","Indira Xavier, from UP, 1%.",5501.48,5502.74,{"idx":6425,"utterance_id":6426,"speaker_name":174,"text":6427,"start_s":6428,"end_s":6429,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1050,"158118","Don't know or didn't answer, 6%.",5504.8,5506.76,{"idx":6431,"utterance_id":6432,"speaker_name":174,"text":6433,"start_s":6434,"end_s":6435,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1051,"158119","Blank, null and undecided, 5%.",5508.8,5511.38,{"idx":6437,"utterance_id":6438,"speaker_name":174,"text":6439,"start_s":6440,"end_s":6441,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1052,"158120","Folks, just one comment.",5512.4,5520.42,{"idx":6443,"utterance_id":6444,"speaker_name":174,"text":6445,"start_s":6446,"end_s":6447,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1053,"158121","How beautiful this work is, the aesthetics of this Minas presente.",5520.44,5525.3,{"idx":6449,"utterance_id":6450,"speaker_name":174,"text":6451,"start_s":6452,"end_s":6453,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1054,"158122","And of course, the substance is also of the highest level.",5525.56,5528.38,{"idx":6455,"utterance_id":6456,"speaker_name":174,"text":6457,"start_s":6458,"end_s":6459,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1055,"158123","I like to praise where I come from.",5528.42,5530.36,{"idx":6461,"utterance_id":6462,"speaker_name":174,"text":6463,"start_s":6464,"end_s":6465,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1056,"158124","Very good.",5531.3,5531.98,{"idx":6467,"utterance_id":6468,"speaker_name":174,"text":6469,"start_s":6470,"end_s":6471,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1057,"158125","And look, I want to ask you a question.",5532.04,5534.3,{"idx":6473,"utterance_id":6474,"speaker_name":174,"text":6475,"start_s":6476,"end_s":6477,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1058,"158126","I know this stirs things up, creates a buzz among people, both among you and those watching us.",5534.36,5541.52,{"idx":6479,"utterance_id":6480,"speaker_name":174,"text":6481,"start_s":6482,"end_s":6483,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1059,"158127","I want to know your bets.",5541.54,5542.9,{"idx":6485,"utterance_id":6486,"speaker_name":174,"text":6487,"start_s":6488,"end_s":6489,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},1060,"158128","At the last behind-the-scenes electoral gathering, one of those present here, who was Salma Freua from the newspaper O Tempo, she said right away, look, Cleitinho is going to take it, there's no way.",5543.4,5553.36,{"idx":6491,"utterance_id":6492,"speaker_name":174,"text":6493,"start_s":6494,"end_s":6495,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1061,"158129","Cleitinho will win.",5553.8,5554.58,{"idx":6497,"utterance_id":6498,"speaker_name":174,"text":6499,"start_s":6500,"end_s":6501,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1062,"158130","What do you think, huh, Orion?",5555.12,5556.46,{"idx":6503,"utterance_id":6504,"speaker_name":174,"text":6505,"start_s":6506,"end_s":6507,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1063,"158131","Look, Cleitinho reminds me a lot of what happened with Tramonte.",5557.26,5560.88,{"idx":6509,"utterance_id":6510,"speaker_name":174,"text":1109,"start_s":6511,"end_s":6512,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},1064,"158132",5561.06,5561.78,{"idx":6514,"utterance_id":6515,"speaker_name":174,"text":6516,"start_s":6517,"end_s":6518,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1065,"158133","Tramonte, in August 2024, had 35% as a presenter on TV Record.",5562.14,5568.36,{"idx":6520,"utterance_id":6521,"speaker_name":174,"text":6522,"start_s":6523,"end_s":6524,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},1066,"158134","When voters discovered that that presenter was a candidate for mayor, they didn't like what they saw.",5569.02,5575,{"idx":6526,"utterance_id":6527,"speaker_name":174,"text":6528,"start_s":6529,"end_s":6530,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1067,"158135","He didn't even make it to the second round.",5575.42,5577.12,{"idx":6532,"utterance_id":6533,"speaker_name":174,"text":6534,"start_s":6535,"end_s":6536,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1068,"158136","I don't like polls very much.",5578.44,5579.58,{"idx":6538,"utterance_id":6539,"speaker_name":174,"text":6540,"start_s":6541,"end_s":6542,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1069,"158137","like, no.",5579.6,5579.92,{"idx":6544,"utterance_id":6545,"speaker_name":174,"text":6546,"start_s":6547,"end_s":6548,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1070,"158138","I know.",5580.08,5580.28,{"idx":6550,"utterance_id":6551,"speaker_name":174,"text":6552,"start_s":6553,"end_s":6554,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},1071,"158139","Polls.",5580.3,5580.76,{"idx":6556,"utterance_id":6557,"speaker_name":174,"text":6558,"start_s":6559,"end_s":6560,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1072,"158140","He doesn't like polls.",5581.46,5582.6,{"idx":6562,"utterance_id":6563,"speaker_name":174,"text":6564,"start_s":6565,"end_s":6566,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1073,"158141","They work a lot with the quantitative issue.",5582.62,5586.88,{"idx":6568,"utterance_id":6569,"speaker_name":174,"text":6570,"start_s":6571,"end_s":6572,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1074,"158142","With that little moment there.",5586.9,5587.7,{"idx":6574,"utterance_id":6575,"speaker_name":174,"text":6576,"start_s":6577,"end_s":6578,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1075,"158143","It is a snapshot, but it doesn't actually portray reality.",5588,5591.36,{"idx":6580,"utterance_id":6581,"speaker_name":174,"text":1353,"start_s":6582,"end_s":6583,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1076,"158144",5591.4,5591.7,{"idx":6585,"utterance_id":6586,"speaker_name":174,"text":6587,"start_s":6588,"end_s":6589,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1077,"158145","These same polls say that... More than 50% of voters don't know who the candidates are.",5592.08,5598.74,{"idx":6591,"utterance_id":6592,"speaker_name":174,"text":6593,"start_s":6594,"end_s":6595,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1078,"158146","That's true.",5600.28,5600.82,{"idx":6597,"utterance_id":6598,"speaker_name":174,"text":6599,"start_s":6600,"end_s":6601,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1079,"158147","Your bet?",5601.64,5602.28,{"idx":6603,"utterance_id":6604,"speaker_name":174,"text":6605,"start_s":6606,"end_s":6607,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1080,"158148","So, I'll stick with that cliché.",5603.46,5607.32,{"idx":6609,"utterance_id":6610,"speaker_name":174,"text":6611,"start_s":6612,"end_s":6613,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1081,"158149","We'll only know at the ballot box, when it opens.",5607.62,5610.82,{"idx":6615,"utterance_id":6616,"speaker_name":174,"text":6617,"start_s":6618,"end_s":6619,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1082,"158150","Because today Cleitinho is ahead, no doubt.",5611.06,5614.44,{"idx":6621,"utterance_id":6622,"speaker_name":174,"text":6623,"start_s":6624,"end_s":6625,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1083,"158151","He is the favorite in that sense.",5614.46,5615.88,{"idx":6627,"utterance_id":6628,"speaker_name":174,"text":6629,"start_s":6630,"end_s":6631,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1084,"158152","But there's that surprise box.",5616.32,5617.62,{"idx":6633,"utterance_id":6634,"speaker_name":174,"text":6635,"start_s":6636,"end_s":6637,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},1085,"158153","He mentioned the example of... the Republican candidate, even from his own party, who was Mauro Tramonte.",5617.66,5623.06,{"idx":6639,"utterance_id":6640,"speaker_name":174,"text":6641,"start_s":6642,"end_s":6643,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},1086,"158154","You have other examples in that sense also in São Paulo, which is even kind of a benchmark, Celso Russomano, he pulls strong numbers.",5623.08,5631.7,{"idx":6645,"utterance_id":6646,"speaker_name":174,"text":6647,"start_s":6648,"end_s":6649,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1087,"158155","The thing is also that Cleitinho's voter is more engaged than Mauro Tramonte's voter might have been.",5632.4,5640.56,{"idx":6651,"utterance_id":6652,"speaker_name":174,"text":6653,"start_s":6654,"end_s":6655,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1088,"158156","Only that I believe he tends to lose some of that advantage.",5642.32,5645.1,{"idx":6657,"utterance_id":6658,"speaker_name":174,"text":6659,"start_s":6660,"end_s":6661,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1089,"158157","I think that now, with the TV programs, he will suffer a set of legitimate criticisms, that's what debates do.",5645.4,5651.98,{"idx":6663,"utterance_id":6664,"speaker_name":174,"text":6665,"start_s":6666,"end_s":6667,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1090,"158158","And then we'll see how he responds, or not.",5652.6,5654.74,{"idx":6669,"utterance_id":6670,"speaker_name":174,"text":6671,"start_s":6672,"end_s":6673,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1091,"158159","I confess he surprised me with his participation in the Band debate.",5655.22,5659.68,{"idx":6675,"utterance_id":6676,"speaker_name":174,"text":6677,"start_s":6678,"end_s":6679,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1092,"158160","Above all for having gone.",5660.5,5661.88,{"idx":6681,"utterance_id":6682,"speaker_name":174,"text":6683,"start_s":6684,"end_s":6685,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1093,"158161","And also for the way he carried himself.",5662.96,5664.8,{"idx":6687,"utterance_id":6688,"speaker_name":174,"text":6689,"start_s":6690,"end_s":6691,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1094,"158162","He didn't say anything, like,",5664.82,5665.94,{"idx":6693,"utterance_id":6694,"speaker_name":174,"text":6695,"start_s":6696,"end_s":6697,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1095,"158163","that was worthy, an oratory, but he was firm.",5666.58,5669.46,{"idx":6699,"utterance_id":6700,"speaker_name":174,"text":6701,"start_s":6702,"end_s":6703,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1096,"158164","He didn't get flustered at any moment, you know?",5669.76,5672,{"idx":6705,"utterance_id":6706,"speaker_name":174,"text":6707,"start_s":6708,"end_s":6709,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},1097,"158165","Now, Guilherme, Ana and also Orion, in that same poll, in the spontaneous format, 60% of the people surveyed said they are undecided.",5672.2,5682.14,{"idx":6711,"utterance_id":6712,"speaker_name":174,"text":6713,"start_s":6714,"end_s":6715,"word_count":400,"indexable":178},1098,"158166","That's where I think we have this one month now, mainly free campaign advertising — I'm not going to say it changes everything, it's not capable of changing a scenario that is sometimes already set.",5684.32,5696.72,{"idx":6717,"utterance_id":6718,"speaker_name":174,"text":6719,"start_s":6720,"end_s":6721,"word_count":377,"indexable":178},1099,"158167","I think people say they switch off when the free campaign advertising is on, but sometimes you're in a taxi, you're listening to the radio, so it inevitably reaches people in some way.",5697.32,5710.48,{"idx":6723,"utterance_id":6724,"speaker_name":174,"text":6725,"start_s":6726,"end_s":6727,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1100,"158168","It also goes through social media, right?",5710.5,5711.88,{"idx":6729,"utterance_id":6730,"speaker_name":174,"text":6731,"start_s":6732,"end_s":6733,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},1101,"158169","Yes, so I think that despite the short period, which is only one month of campaigning, we have a very decisive period.",5711.98,5719.98,{"idx":6735,"utterance_id":6736,"speaker_name":174,"text":6737,"start_s":6738,"end_s":6739,"word_count":377,"indexable":178},1102,"158170","that we'll be able to measure whether the free campaign advertising, whether social media and even the weight that Cleitinho comes in with from social media, whether that will hold up.",5720,5733.96,{"idx":6741,"utterance_id":6742,"speaker_name":174,"text":6743,"start_s":6744,"end_s":6745,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1103,"158171","That's my question, to which I don't have an answer.",5734.68,5737.88,{"idx":6747,"utterance_id":6748,"speaker_name":174,"text":6749,"start_s":6750,"end_s":6751,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1104,"158172","I don't know if that will hold up.",5738,5740.08,{"idx":6753,"utterance_id":6754,"speaker_name":174,"text":6755,"start_s":6756,"end_s":6757,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1105,"158173","Who is winning with polls in Brazil are the banks that finance the polls.",5740.12,5743.52,{"idx":6759,"utterance_id":6760,"speaker_name":174,"text":6761,"start_s":6762,"end_s":6763,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1106,"158174","Every poll that comes out is 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BTG Pactual, they appear in all the polls, in all the headlines, because they know this reverberates.",5745.48,5752.56,{"idx":6771,"utterance_id":6772,"speaker_name":174,"text":6773,"start_s":6774,"end_s":6775,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1108,"158176","We journalists like to give a score.",5752.74,5754.54,{"idx":6777,"utterance_id":6778,"speaker_name":174,"text":6779,"start_s":6780,"end_s":6781,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1109,"158177","Yes, yes.",5754.58,5755.02,{"idx":6783,"utterance_id":6784,"speaker_name":174,"text":6785,"start_s":6786,"end_s":6787,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1110,"158178","You're fearless, huh, to throw that out right away.",5755.48,5759.08,{"idx":6789,"utterance_id":6790,"speaker_name":174,"text":6791,"start_s":6792,"end_s":6793,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1111,"158179","TV, radio, anyway.",5759.1,5760.24,{"idx":6795,"utterance_id":6796,"speaker_name":174,"text":6797,"start_s":6798,"end_s":6799,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1112,"158180","Voters like it too, right?",5760.62,5762.54,{"idx":6801,"utterance_id":6802,"speaker_name":174,"text":6803,"start_s":6804,"end_s":6805,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1113,"158181","The candidates like it.",5762.7,5763.62,{"idx":6807,"utterance_id":6808,"speaker_name":174,"text":6809,"start_s":6810,"end_s":6811,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1114,"158182","What's happening?",5763.68,5764.5,{"idx":6813,"utterance_id":6814,"speaker_name":174,"text":6815,"start_s":6816,"end_s":6817,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1115,"158183","Where am I going?",5764.52,5765.12,{"idx":6819,"utterance_id":6820,"speaker_name":174,"text":6821,"start_s":6822,"end_s":6823,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1116,"158184","Maria goes with the others.",5765.22,5766.1,{"idx":6825,"utterance_id":6826,"speaker_name":174,"text":6827,"start_s":6828,"end_s":6829,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1117,"158185","Where do I go?",5766.32,5766.78,{"idx":6831,"utterance_id":6832,"speaker_name":174,"text":6833,"start_s":6834,"end_s":6835,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1118,"158186","Where am I going to vote?",5767.08,5767.94,{"idx":6837,"utterance_id":6838,"speaker_name":174,"text":6815,"start_s":6839,"end_s":6840,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1119,"158187",5768.3,5768.96,{"idx":6842,"utterance_id":6843,"speaker_name":174,"text":6844,"start_s":6845,"end_s":6846,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1120,"158188","Now, who, in your opinion, will sway those undecided voters?",5769.3,5772.88,{"idx":6848,"utterance_id":6849,"speaker_name":174,"text":6850,"start_s":6851,"end_s":6852,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1121,"158189","Here, in the contest in Minas, of course.",5773.88,5775.32,{"idx":6854,"utterance_id":6855,"speaker_name":174,"text":6856,"start_s":6857,"end_s":6858,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1122,"158190","So, that's what I was going to say.",5775.46,5776.82,{"idx":6860,"utterance_id":6861,"speaker_name":174,"text":6862,"start_s":6863,"end_s":6864,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1123,"158191","In that same process of deciding a vote, it is individual, but it can also be collective.",5776.88,5782.72,{"idx":6866,"utterance_id":6867,"speaker_name":174,"text":6868,"start_s":6869,"end_s":6870,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},1124,"158192","In the following sense: there may be an event in that time interval that creates a whole wave of things, someone may emerge, someone may take a position.",5783.16,5791.58,{"idx":6872,"utterance_id":6873,"speaker_name":174,"text":6874,"start_s":6875,"end_s":6876,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1125,"158193","So, it's hard to pin down who would inherit that.",5793.06,5795.78,{"idx":6878,"utterance_id":6879,"speaker_name":174,"text":6880,"start_s":6881,"end_s":6882,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1126,"158194","I still believe that... Those more qualified figures, the traditional politicians, those who lay claim, have the capacity to build something.",5796.14,5805.04,{"idx":6884,"utterance_id":6885,"speaker_name":174,"text":6886,"start_s":6887,"end_s":6888,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1127,"158195","You have Matheus Simões, who, having the machine, this poll shows that he recovers a bit.",5805.48,5810.58,{"idx":6890,"utterance_id":6891,"speaker_name":174,"text":6892,"start_s":6893,"end_s":6894,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},1128,"158196","You have Gabriel Azevedo, who is a figure with the ability to communicate, to communicate in a direct way.",5811.06,5817.98,{"idx":6896,"utterance_id":6897,"speaker_name":174,"text":6898,"start_s":6899,"end_s":6900,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},1129,"158197","In short, I think the scenario, despite Cleitinho's favoritism, still appears to be open.",5818.68,5824.66,{"idx":6902,"utterance_id":6903,"speaker_name":174,"text":6904,"start_s":6905,"end_s":6906,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},1130,"158198","I also think the following: we will have a second round, we have 11 candidates; it's the largest number of candidates in the history of the Minas election — we've never had 11 candidates for governor.",5825.28,5838.28,{"idx":6908,"utterance_id":6909,"speaker_name":174,"text":6910,"start_s":6911,"end_s":6912,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1131,"158199","I think the race is still open; I think you have Cleitinho's favoritism — it's undeniable.",5839.36,5844.1,{"idx":6914,"utterance_id":6915,"speaker_name":174,"text":6916,"start_s":6917,"end_s":6918,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},1132,"158200","My question is only whether that favoritism holds up, whether he will have the stamina to handle another month of campaign with electoral advertising.",5844.84,5856.78,{"idx":6920,"utterance_id":6921,"speaker_name":174,"text":6922,"start_s":6923,"end_s":6924,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},1133,"158201","With the attacks he will start to suffer, and it will do no good to avoid debates.",5857.32,5861.06,{"idx":6926,"utterance_id":6927,"speaker_name":174,"text":6928,"start_s":6929,"end_s":6930,"word_count":485,"indexable":178},1134,"158202","We have what Orion already pointed out: Patrus is very alone on the left spectrum, so he also has a path ahead of him — an area where he is alone — so I think he will consolidate many votes depending on what the poll results show.",5862.24,5880.3,{"idx":6932,"utterance_id":6933,"speaker_name":174,"text":6934,"start_s":6935,"end_s":6936,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},1135,"158203","The difference between social media and television and radio, for example — communication, that combo, everything that's there.",5880.44,5884.68,{"idx":6938,"utterance_id":6939,"speaker_name":174,"text":6940,"start_s":6941,"end_s":6942,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},1136,"158204","You, the voter, follow a politician and track his life, his ideas, his proposals.",5886.88,5891.74,{"idx":6944,"utterance_id":6945,"speaker_name":174,"text":6946,"start_s":6947,"end_s":6948,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1137,"158205","On TV, all of them enter our homes through television, talking about their ideas, their proposals and their trajectory.",5892.22,5898.84,{"idx":6950,"utterance_id":6951,"speaker_name":174,"text":6952,"start_s":6953,"end_s":6954,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1138,"158206","So it's different in a broader sense.",5899.04,5900.78,{"idx":6956,"utterance_id":6957,"speaker_name":174,"text":6958,"start_s":6959,"end_s":6960,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1139,"158207","It's not a bubble, it's not an algorithm that decides.",5900.8,5903.18,{"idx":6962,"utterance_id":6963,"speaker_name":174,"text":6964,"start_s":6965,"end_s":6966,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1140,"158208","It's broad.",5903.2,5904.04,{"idx":6968,"utterance_id":6969,"speaker_name":174,"text":6970,"start_s":6971,"end_s":6972,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1141,"158209","It's also a great topic that's being discussed on social media.",5904.06,5906.76,{"idx":6974,"utterance_id":6975,"speaker_name":174,"text":6976,"start_s":6977,"end_s":6978,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1142,"158210","And what's always said about Cleitinho, who is the favorite, is about his managerial capacity or lack thereof.",5907.2,5913.42,{"idx":6980,"utterance_id":6981,"speaker_name":174,"text":6982,"start_s":6983,"end_s":6984,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1143,"158211","Will he be able to govern the state?",5913.48,5915.1,{"idx":6986,"utterance_id":6987,"speaker_name":174,"text":6988,"start_s":6989,"end_s":6990,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1144,"158212","Will he be able to change the role from being the stone to being glass?",5915.62,5919.16,{"idx":6992,"utterance_id":6993,"speaker_name":174,"text":6994,"start_s":6995,"end_s":6996,"word_count":414,"indexable":178},1145,"158213","To the extent that this becomes a debate put forward by his opponents and that it leaves TV and those media outlets and gains traction in the social media debate, that's where I think he can lose a bit.",5919.84,5930.02,{"idx":6998,"utterance_id":6999,"speaker_name":174,"text":7000,"start_s":7001,"end_s":7002,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1146,"158214","And Simões in this whole story, folks, how do you think he fares?",5930.28,5934.38,{"idx":7004,"utterance_id":7005,"speaker_name":174,"text":7006,"start_s":7007,"end_s":7008,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},1147,"158215","He's the governor — do you think he's making good use of his position, of his current standing in the game, or is he without an identity?",5934.42,5943.96,{"idx":7010,"utterance_id":7011,"speaker_name":174,"text":7012,"start_s":7013,"end_s":7014,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1148,"158216","For his candidacy, yes.",5944.06,5945.1,{"idx":7016,"utterance_id":7017,"speaker_name":174,"text":7018,"start_s":7019,"end_s":7020,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},1149,"158217","Yes, I also think that he is a governor abandoned by his own creator.",5945.76,5951.38,{"idx":7022,"utterance_id":7023,"speaker_name":174,"text":7024,"start_s":7025,"end_s":7026,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1150,"158218","We don't see Zema appearing in his campaign.",5952.6,5954.68,{"idx":7028,"utterance_id":7029,"speaker_name":174,"text":7030,"start_s":7031,"end_s":7032,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1151,"158219","That, by the way, was a question we asked in the last electoral backstage.",5955.4,5960.3,{"idx":7034,"utterance_id":7035,"speaker_name":174,"text":7036,"start_s":7037,"end_s":7038,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1152,"158220","Who is Matheus Simões without Zema?",5960.44,5963,{"idx":7040,"utterance_id":7041,"speaker_name":174,"text":7042,"start_s":7043,"end_s":7044,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1153,"158221","Many people said that he is someone who will fail at the last moment.",5963.68,5967.58,{"idx":7046,"utterance_id":7047,"speaker_name":174,"text":7048,"start_s":7049,"end_s":7050,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1154,"158222","But I think the one who will fail at the last moment will be Zema, because Zema doesn't have TV time.",5967.6,5971.52,{"idx":7052,"utterance_id":7053,"speaker_name":174,"text":7054,"start_s":7055,"end_s":7056,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1155,"158223","He's going to disappear now, from here on out, because he only has social media.",5972.1,5975.12,{"idx":7058,"utterance_id":7059,"speaker_name":174,"text":7060,"start_s":7061,"end_s":7062,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},1156,"158224","And the person who follows Zema's social media, for example, will look for him on TV and radio and won't find him.",5975.58,5981.12,{"idx":7064,"utterance_id":7065,"speaker_name":174,"text":7066,"start_s":7067,"end_s":7068,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},1157,"158225","As for Simões, who is there on social media but will be very visible on TV and radio because he has a good amount of television time and is running a very professional campaign.",5981.7,5990.9,{"idx":7070,"utterance_id":7071,"speaker_name":174,"text":7072,"start_s":7073,"end_s":7074,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1158,"158226","Follow along there.",5991.18,5991.64,{"idx":7076,"utterance_id":7077,"speaker_name":174,"text":7078,"start_s":7079,"end_s":7080,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},1159,"158227","By the way, one of the things we also brought up about Zema this past week was his poor performance in the hearings and interviews he participated in.",5992.8,6003.66,{"idx":7082,"utterance_id":7083,"speaker_name":174,"text":7084,"start_s":7085,"end_s":7086,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},1160,"158228","Especially with regard to explaining to Ismil Sá how he would carry out some of the proposals he made.",6004.12,6011.46,{"idx":7088,"utterance_id":7089,"speaker_name":174,"text":7090,"start_s":7091,"end_s":7092,"word_count":437,"indexable":178},1161,"158229","Do you think that the fact that candidates, like Zema for example, are being unmasked in their lack of foundation and basis, is causing the other contenders to say no to debates, to say no to confrontations with the press in this live format?",6011.92,6031.02,{"idx":7094,"utterance_id":7095,"speaker_name":174,"text":7096,"start_s":7097,"end_s":7098,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1162,"158230","Do you think it has to do with that?",6031.42,6033.02,{"idx":7100,"utterance_id":7101,"speaker_name":174,"text":7102,"start_s":7103,"end_s":7104,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},1163,"158231","Yes, I think so, taking a cue from what Orion said a little while ago, they lack political identity.",6033.5,6039.64,{"idx":7106,"utterance_id":7107,"speaker_name":174,"text":7108,"start_s":7109,"end_s":7110,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1164,"158232","A certain spectrum of the right has been importing this ready-made discourse from a certain platform of confronting crime from El Salvador.",6042.22,6049.88,{"idx":7112,"utterance_id":7113,"speaker_name":174,"text":7114,"start_s":7115,"end_s":7116,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1165,"158233","This came in a ready-made package, but no one stopped to reflect.",6050.72,6053.36,{"idx":7118,"utterance_id":7119,"speaker_name":174,"text":7120,"start_s":7121,"end_s":7122,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1166,"158234","Whether it was feasible or 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There in Salvador, which is a different reality, when the guy is confronted with what he's defending, he was left hanging.",6063.72,6078.84,{"idx":7151,"utterance_id":7152,"speaker_name":174,"text":7153,"start_s":7154,"end_s":7155,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1172,"158240","And they were very basic questions.",6079.52,6082.04,{"idx":7157,"utterance_id":7158,"speaker_name":174,"text":7159,"start_s":7160,"end_s":7161,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1173,"158241","And he's already fallen on those same issues twice.",6082.64,6085.7,{"idx":7163,"utterance_id":7164,"speaker_name":174,"text":7165,"start_s":7166,"end_s":7167,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1174,"158242","Look, this whole persona thing I find very interesting, you know?",6086.3,6090.86,{"idx":7169,"utterance_id":7170,"speaker_name":174,"text":7171,"start_s":7172,"end_s":7173,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1175,"158243","Because you need to build it well and you can't step out of it, right?",6090.92,6095.1,{"idx":7175,"utterance_id":7176,"speaker_name":174,"text":1109,"start_s":7177,"end_s":7178,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},1176,"158244",6095.12,6095.22,{"idx":7180,"utterance_id":7181,"speaker_name":174,"text":7182,"start_s":7183,"end_s":7184,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1177,"158245","Don't take the character to bed.",6095.68,6097.42,{"idx":7186,"utterance_id":7187,"speaker_name":174,"text":7188,"start_s":7189,"end_s":7190,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1178,"158246","Some take it to bed, but don't carry it into the interview.",6097.48,6100.62,{"idx":7192,"utterance_id":7193,"speaker_name":174,"text":7194,"start_s":7195,"end_s":7196,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1179,"158247","At the time of the interview, everything crumbles.",6100.66,6103.24,{"idx":7198,"utterance_id":7199,"speaker_name":174,"text":7200,"start_s":7201,"end_s":7202,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},1180,"158248","It 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Zema.",6114.76,6121.06,{"idx":7228,"utterance_id":7229,"speaker_name":174,"text":7230,"start_s":7231,"end_s":7232,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},1185,"158253","Today, the total of exemptions between 2017 and 2024 is more than 120 billion reais.",6122.24,6127.64,{"idx":7234,"utterance_id":7235,"speaker_name":174,"text":7236,"start_s":7237,"end_s":7238,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1186,"158254","So, we're talking about a significant resource that the state stops collecting to benefit a few companies.",6127.66,6134.86,{"idx":7240,"utterance_id":7241,"speaker_name":174,"text":7242,"start_s":7243,"end_s":7244,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},1187,"158255","in a context in which the State of Minas has a very difficult debt to pay and a fiscal situation that is not sustainable on a day-to-day basis.",6135.42,6142.54,{"idx":7246,"utterance_id":7247,"speaker_name":174,"text":7248,"start_s":7249,"end_s":7250,"word_count":239,"indexable":178},1188,"158256","The question to be asked of the candidates is whether this type of privilege for a few businessmen, while the rest of the population pays taxes, will be maintained in a potential government of you who are candidates.",6143.18,6157.1,{"idx":7252,"utterance_id":7253,"speaker_name":174,"text":7254,"start_s":7255,"end_s":7256,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1189,"158257","This is a bomb that Zema left for Matheus Simões.",6158.58,6163.28,{"idx":7258,"utterance_id":7259,"speaker_name":174,"text":7260,"start_s":7261,"end_s":7262,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1190,"158258","And the exemption — would it be only for some?",6163.32,6165.96,{"idx":7264,"utterance_id":7265,"speaker_name":174,"text":7266,"start_s":7267,"end_s":7268,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1191,"158259","What's the story?",6166.08,6167.16,{"idx":7270,"utterance_id":7271,"speaker_name":174,"text":7272,"start_s":7273,"end_s":7274,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1192,"158260","That's the question.",6168.42,6168.94,{"idx":7276,"utterance_id":7277,"speaker_name":174,"text":7278,"start_s":7279,"end_s":7280,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1193,"158261","The lack of transparency.",6169.62,6170.7,{"idx":7282,"utterance_id":7283,"speaker_name":174,"text":7284,"start_s":7285,"end_s":7286,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1194,"158262","I can't say what they are because they didn't disclose them.",6170.72,6172.94,{"idx":7288,"utterance_id":7289,"speaker_name":174,"text":7290,"start_s":7291,"end_s":7292,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1195,"158263","And of coherence, in the sense of the Partido Novo.",6172.98,6175.5,{"idx":7294,"utterance_id":7295,"speaker_name":174,"text":7296,"start_s":7297,"end_s":7298,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},1196,"158264","Gabriel, for his part, said here that Romeu Zema's family would have been benefited by this tax exemption.",6175.62,6180.3,{"idx":7300,"utterance_id":7301,"speaker_name":174,"text":7302,"start_s":7303,"end_s":7304,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},1197,"158265","Now, the most important thing is to know whether those benefited by the tax exemption... by those incentives, brought to Minas Gerais more jobs, more economic development?",6180.64,6191.72,{"idx":7306,"utterance_id":7307,"speaker_name":174,"text":7308,"start_s":7309,"end_s":7310,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1198,"158266","What happened?",6192.14,6193.1,{"idx":7312,"utterance_id":7313,"speaker_name":174,"text":7314,"start_s":7315,"end_s":7316,"word_count":264,"indexable":178},1199,"158267","Generation of income and employment; the proposal is for more investments to stimulate the economy.",6193.32,6200.52,{"idx":7318,"utterance_id":7319,"speaker_name":174,"text":7320,"start_s":7321,"end_s":7322,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1200,"158268","Are we reaping those results?",6200.84,6202.88,{"idx":7324,"utterance_id":7325,"speaker_name":174,"text":7326,"start_s":7327,"end_s":7328,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},1201,"158269","What Zema defends regarding this is that the exemptions are given to sectors, not to specific companies.",6203.68,6210.92,{"idx":7330,"utterance_id":7331,"speaker_name":174,"text":7332,"start_s":7333,"end_s":7334,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},1202,"158270","That it was a policy he inherited, but then, in confrontation with journalists, he said: no, you inherited it at a certain level and you expanded it significantly.",6211.7,6219.86,{"idx":7336,"utterance_id":7337,"speaker_name":174,"text":7338,"start_s":7339,"end_s":7340,"word_count":377,"indexable":178},1203,"158271","The state government's website has, they published a study from — now I can't remember — from a university, where they justify that these exemptions generated a set of jobs 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deputy.",6252.7,6256.98,{"idx":7366,"utterance_id":7367,"speaker_name":174,"text":7368,"start_s":7369,"end_s":7370,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1208,"158276","And the government itself... embarrassed by that, was like, we won't disclose it.",6257.48,6262.16,{"idx":7372,"utterance_id":7373,"speaker_name":174,"text":7374,"start_s":7375,"end_s":7376,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1209,"158277","Then Zema didn't want to disclose it.",6262.6,6264.2,{"idx":7378,"utterance_id":7379,"speaker_name":174,"text":7380,"start_s":7381,"end_s":7382,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1210,"158278","Matheus Simões adopted the premise that he would disclose it.",6264.56,6267.24,{"idx":7384,"utterance_id":7385,"speaker_name":174,"text":7386,"start_s":7387,"end_s":7388,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1211,"158279","Then he backtracked, in a story that that would strategically affect relations with the other states.",6267.58,6274,{"idx":7390,"utterance_id":7391,"speaker_name":174,"text":7392,"start_s":7393,"end_s":7394,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1212,"158280","He had to go to court and disclose it.",6274.26,6275.74,{"idx":7396,"utterance_id":7397,"speaker_name":174,"text":7398,"start_s":7399,"end_s":7400,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1213,"158281","And these are the constraints.",6275.76,6277.22,{"idx":7402,"utterance_id":7403,"speaker_name":174,"text":7404,"start_s":7405,"end_s":7406,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},1214,"158282","This question of the State and how each of the candidates regards the entity, the State, and power.",6279.26,6287.02,{"idx":7408,"utterance_id":7409,"speaker_name":174,"text":7410,"start_s":7411,"end_s":7412,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1215,"158283","It's something I think is worth talking 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based on those crazy ideas.",6318.46,6319.54,{"idx":1490,"utterance_id":7438,"speaker_name":174,"text":7439,"start_s":7440,"end_s":7441,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},"158288","A lack of understanding of what the State is and the role the State has in people's lives.",6319.56,6323.58,{"idx":7443,"utterance_id":7444,"speaker_name":174,"text":7445,"start_s":7446,"end_s":7447,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},1221,"158289","The State is what regulates social inequalities, regulates investments, determines where there will be more or less investment and more or fewer jobs.",6323.7,6331.52,{"idx":7449,"utterance_id":7450,"speaker_name":174,"text":7451,"start_s":7452,"end_s":7453,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1222,"158290","Health, and more or less education.",6331.9,6333.48,{"idx":7455,"utterance_id":7456,"speaker_name":174,"text":7457,"start_s":7458,"end_s":7459,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1223,"158291","It's not 'more people' that will solve 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plans.",6385.6,6388.32,{"idx":7532,"utterance_id":7533,"speaker_name":174,"text":7534,"start_s":7535,"end_s":7536,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1236,"158304","One of them... except for the more left-wing parties, the more radical left like PSTU, and so on.",6389,6396.64,{"idx":7538,"utterance_id":7539,"speaker_name":174,"text":7540,"start_s":7541,"end_s":7542,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1237,"158305","But it's something so disconnected from a more objective reality.",6397.42,6400.96,{"idx":7544,"utterance_id":7545,"speaker_name":174,"text":7546,"start_s":7547,"end_s":7548,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1238,"158306","But none of them presents a plan that will radically and substantially change the current state of affairs.",6401.46,6409.08,{"idx":7550,"utterance_id":7551,"speaker_name":174,"text":7552,"start_s":7553,"end_s":7554,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},1239,"158307","Especially because, speaking from an objective reality, there is State indebtedness that binds you in a very considerable way.",6409.24,6417.14,{"idx":7556,"utterance_id":7557,"speaker_name":174,"text":7558,"start_s":7559,"end_s":7560,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1240,"158308","It's kind of like maneuvering within a very narrow margin.",6420.26,6426.3,{"idx":7562,"utterance_id":7563,"speaker_name":174,"text":7564,"start_s":7565,"end_s":7566,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1241,"158309","That is, the margin for maneuver is small.",6426.32,6428.18,{"idx":7568,"utterance_id":7569,"speaker_name":174,"text":7570,"start_s":7571,"end_s":7572,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1242,"158310","You have few resources, enormous debt, a pile of interest to manage.",6428.8,6434.06,{"idx":7574,"utterance_id":7575,"speaker_name":174,"text":7576,"start_s":7577,"end_s":7578,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1243,"158311","Education, health above all, and public security—all with multiple 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There is a very large distance between saying and doing.",6519.98,6527.56,{"idx":7676,"utterance_id":7677,"speaker_name":174,"text":7678,"start_s":7679,"end_s":7680,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},1260,"158328","And do you think the disappointment would come in Cleitinho's case through a lack of capacity to do or implement his government plan, or even through a lack of character?",6527.88,6542.5,{"idx":7682,"utterance_id":7683,"speaker_name":174,"text":7684,"start_s":7685,"end_s":7686,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1261,"158329","I don't think it's a lack of character, no.",6543.22,6544.6,{"idx":7688,"utterance_id":7689,"speaker_name":174,"text":7690,"start_s":7691,"end_s":7692,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1262,"158330","Look, there are some things that are symptomatic.",6545.08,6547.44,{"idx":7694,"utterance_id":7695,"speaker_name":174,"text":7696,"start_s":7697,"end_s":7698,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},1263,"158331","He's the candidate against the system.",6547.48,6549.84,{"idx":7700,"utterance_id":7701,"speaker_name":174,"text":7702,"start_s":7703,"end_s":7704,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1264,"158332","That means so many things and ends up saying nothing.",6550.42,6553.34,{"idx":7706,"utterance_id":7707,"speaker_name":174,"text":7708,"start_s":7709,"end_s":7710,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1265,"158333","Which system?",6553.52,6554.18,{"idx":7712,"utterance_id":7713,"speaker_name":174,"text":7714,"start_s":7715,"end_s":7716,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1266,"158334","Objectively, he wants to be governor of the State.",6554.56,6556.8,{"idx":7718,"utterance_id":7719,"speaker_name":174,"text":7720,"start_s":7721,"end_s":7722,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1267,"158335","What is the set of privileges that he perceives, that he understands he needs to confront?",6557.54,6561.88,{"idx":7724,"utterance_id":7725,"speaker_name":174,"text":7726,"start_s":7727,"end_s":7728,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1268,"158336","What is the strongest part of his project?",6562.8,6564.54,{"idx":7730,"utterance_id":7731,"speaker_name":174,"text":7732,"start_s":7733,"end_s":7734,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},1269,"158337","It's the IPVA issue, which sounds very good.",6564.56,6566.7,{"idx":7736,"utterance_id":7737,"speaker_name":174,"text":7738,"start_s":7739,"end_s":7740,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1270,"158338","People think it's great that their car won't be towed, because that, fine.",6567.02,6571.9,{"idx":7742,"utterance_id":7743,"speaker_name":174,"text":7744,"start_s":7745,"end_s":7746,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1271,"158339","And then, how is he going to do it?",6572.08,6572.86,{"idx":7748,"utterance_id":7749,"speaker_name":174,"text":7750,"start_s":7751,"end_s":7752,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1272,"158340","Because we have a deficit; that implies a loss of revenue.",6572.88,6576.38,{"idx":7754,"utterance_id":7755,"speaker_name":174,"text":7756,"start_s":7757,"end_s":7758,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1273,"158341","People—if the car is not towed, why will they pay?",6576.82,6579.62,{"idx":7760,"utterance_id":7761,"speaker_name":174,"text":7762,"start_s":7763,"end_s":7764,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1274,"158342","Maybe they'll pay when they eventually have to sell, but even that entails a loss in that sense.",6579.96,6585.84,{"idx":7766,"utterance_id":7767,"speaker_name":174,"text":7768,"start_s":7769,"end_s":7770,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1275,"158343","And then, in the day‑to‑day of these things, it's where the populist who promises more will manage to deliver less.",6586.26,6592.84,{"idx":7772,"utterance_id":7773,"speaker_name":174,"text":7774,"start_s":7775,"end_s":7776,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1276,"158344","And then he says, in a little while...",6593.28,6595.2,{"idx":7778,"utterance_id":7779,"speaker_name":174,"text":7780,"start_s":7781,"end_s":7782,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1277,"158345","And then the disappointment.",6596.06,6596.9,{"idx":7784,"utterance_id":7785,"speaker_name":174,"text":7786,"start_s":7787,"end_s":7788,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},1278,"158346","The disappointment comes.",6596.94,6597.9,{"idx":7790,"utterance_id":7791,"speaker_name":174,"text":7792,"start_s":7793,"end_s":7794,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1279,"158347","And on the left's side, folks, who has already disappointed the poor people of Minas?",6598.18,6602.36,{"idx":7796,"utterance_id":7797,"speaker_name":174,"text":7798,"start_s":7799,"end_s":7800,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},1280,"158348","I think the administration of Fernando Pimentel disappointed many people.",6604.54,6607.36,{"idx":7802,"utterance_id":7803,"speaker_name":174,"text":7804,"start_s":7805,"end_s":7806,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1281,"158349","Because of poor results, due to the inability to manage the State's finances.",6608.3,6612.86,{"idx":7808,"utterance_id":7809,"speaker_name":174,"text":7810,"start_s":7811,"end_s":7812,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},1282,"158350","He left debt, delayed the salaries of public servants, paying their salaries in installments; he failed to make the constitutionally required transfers to municipalities, both in health and in the CMS transfers.",6613.12,6625.38,{"idx":7814,"utterance_id":7815,"speaker_name":174,"text":7816,"start_s":7817,"end_s":7818,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},1283,"158351","So, that, I think he left, indeed, in that whole period after the end of Fernando Pimentel's government, the PT supporter is depressed.",6625.68,6635.04,{"idx":7820,"utterance_id":7821,"speaker_name":174,"text":7822,"start_s":7823,"end_s":7824,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1284,"158352","The PT no longer wanted to contest elections after that, because it couldn't identify with that previous situation.",6635.38,6642.34,{"idx":7826,"utterance_id":7827,"speaker_name":174,"text":7828,"start_s":7829,"end_s":7830,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},1285,"158353","Now, Patrus, even if libado in his trajectory, especially regarding corruption, do you think he directly inherits that legacy of betrayal of the PT in state administration?",6642.7,6656.3,{"idx":7832,"utterance_id":7833,"speaker_name":174,"text":7834,"start_s":7835,"end_s":7836,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1286,"158354","It's a challenge he has; it's something he has to account for.",6656.32,6659.84,{"idx":7838,"utterance_id":7839,"speaker_name":174,"text":7840,"start_s":7841,"end_s":7842,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1287,"158355","He is different from Pimentel, he has a different trajectory, but this is related to the PT.",6661.28,6665.6,{"idx":7844,"utterance_id":7845,"speaker_name":174,"text":7846,"start_s":7847,"end_s":7848,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1288,"158356","He needs to face that debate; he needs to justify that Pimentel had those difficulties.",6665.66,6669.74,{"idx":7850,"utterance_id":7851,"speaker_name":174,"text":7852,"start_s":7853,"end_s":7854,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1289,"158357","And why did he have those difficulties?",6669.76,6671.42,{"idx":7856,"utterance_id":7857,"speaker_name":174,"text":7858,"start_s":7859,"end_s":7860,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1290,"158358","The economic and political context of the time, which even led to the impeachment of President Dilma Rousseff.",6671.64,6676.78,{"idx":7862,"utterance_id":7863,"speaker_name":174,"text":7864,"start_s":7865,"end_s":7866,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},1291,"158359","So it was a moment of dismantling of the country's politics.",6676.82,6680.88,{"idx":7868,"utterance_id":7869,"speaker_name":174,"text":7870,"start_s":7871,"end_s":7872,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1292,"158360","He suffered from that; he didn't have the conditions to overcome that difficulty.",6681.52,6684.64,{"idx":7874,"utterance_id":7875,"speaker_name":174,"text":7876,"start_s":7877,"end_s":7878,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1293,"158361","There are reasons, aren't there?",6684.84,6685.72,{"idx":7880,"utterance_id":7881,"speaker_name":174,"text":7882,"start_s":7883,"end_s":7884,"word_count":317,"indexable":178},1294,"158362","He has to present, he has to... Not defend that legacy, he has to justify that bad historical moment of the PT here in Minas Gerais.",6685.74,6693.4,{"idx":7886,"utterance_id":7887,"speaker_name":174,"text":7888,"start_s":7889,"end_s":7890,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},1295,"158363","And now, in terms of the feeling of the population of Minas, do you think the lives of men and women of Minas Gerais have improved?",6693.42,6700.68,{"idx":7892,"utterance_id":7893,"speaker_name":174,"text":7894,"start_s":7895,"end_s":7896,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1296,"158364","What was the impact of the recent administrations?",6700.72,6703.4,{"idx":7898,"utterance_id":7899,"speaker_name":174,"text":7900,"start_s":7901,"end_s":7902,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1297,"158365","You're taking a long time to think, folks.",6707.48,6709.54,{"idx":7904,"utterance_id":7905,"speaker_name":174,"text":7906,"start_s":7907,"end_s":7908,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1298,"158366","This silence is what makes the drama even greater, folks.",6709.56,6713.38,{"idx":7910,"utterance_id":7911,"speaker_name":174,"text":7912,"start_s":7913,"end_s":7914,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1299,"158367","Silence says a lot, right?",6713.4,6715.78,{"idx":7916,"utterance_id":7917,"speaker_name":174,"text":7918,"start_s":7919,"end_s":7920,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},1300,"158368","These dramatic pauses of yours.",6715.86,6717.5,{"idx":7922,"utterance_id":7923,"speaker_name":174,"text":7924,"start_s":7925,"end_s":7926,"word_count":200,"indexable":178},1301,"158369","The deep, dramatic breaths.",6717.52,6719.48,{"idx":7928,"utterance_id":7929,"speaker_name":174,"text":7930,"start_s":7931,"end_s":7932,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},1302,"158370","They say a lot about how challenging this moment is, not just for the candidates.",6719.78,6727.04,{"idx":7934,"utterance_id":7935,"speaker_name":174,"text":7936,"start_s":7937,"end_s":7938,"word_count":333,"indexable":178},1303,"158371","We won't be fair—even though he mentioned Pimentel's administration, we wouldn't be fair if we evaluated the administration",6727.06,6734.92,{"idx":7940,"utterance_id":7941,"speaker_name":174,"text":7942,"start_s":7943,"end_s":7944,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1304,"158372","these eight years of the Zema government, without considering the national and even international issues, which also impacted Pimentel's government.",6736.12,6745.6,{"idx":1557,"utterance_id":7946,"speaker_name":174,"text":7947,"start_s":7948,"end_s":7949,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},"158373","All the national issues and the international crisis, the economic crisis, in short, had an impact.",6746.26,6752.82,{"idx":7951,"utterance_id":7952,"speaker_name":174,"text":7953,"start_s":7954,"end_s":7955,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1306,"158374","Whether he did what he could or couldn't, whether he did little or did a lot, I think it's the same.",6753.3,6757.96,{"idx":7957,"utterance_id":7958,"speaker_name":174,"text":7959,"start_s":7960,"end_s":7961,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1307,"158375","You said, Patros will have to explain.",6757.98,6760.18,{"idx":7963,"utterance_id":7964,"speaker_name":174,"text":7965,"start_s":7966,"end_s":7967,"word_count":277,"indexable":178},1308,"158376","And I think our assessment of how Minas is now has to be broader.",6760.9,6767.9,{"idx":7969,"utterance_id":7970,"speaker_name":174,"text":7971,"start_s":7972,"end_s":7973,"word_count":169,"indexable":178},1309,"158377","We can't just take the eight years of Zema's government, look back and say: we had eight years of Zema's government, but we had four years of Bolsonaro's government, four years of Lula's government.",6768.12,6777.74,{"idx":7975,"utterance_id":7976,"speaker_name":174,"text":7977,"start_s":7978,"end_s":7979,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1310,"158378","We had a war and two wars in the middle of the 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voter.",6796.4,6802.2,{"idx":8005,"utterance_id":8006,"speaker_name":174,"text":8007,"start_s":8008,"end_s":8009,"word_count":295,"indexable":178},1315,"158383","They don't have the courage to deal with opposing views and only pretend to be what they are not on their social networks.",6802.58,6809.22,{"idx":8011,"utterance_id":8012,"speaker_name":174,"text":8013,"start_s":8014,"end_s":8015,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1316,"158384","This absence of candidates represents a disrespect.",6809.92,6814.36,{"idx":8017,"utterance_id":8018,"speaker_name":174,"text":8019,"start_s":8020,"end_s":8021,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1317,"158385","They don't have the courage to deal with opposing views.",6814.6,6817.2,{"idx":8023,"utterance_id":8024,"speaker_name":174,"text":8025,"start_s":8026,"end_s":8027,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},1318,"158386","and just keep talking on the internet — so there's also displeasure.",6817.62,6823.14,{"idx":8029,"utterance_id":8030,"speaker_name":174,"text":8031,"start_s":8032,"end_s":8033,"word_count":211,"indexable":178},1319,"158387","from our subscribers on the YouTube channel.",6824,6827.68,{"idx":8035,"utterance_id":8036,"speaker_name":174,"text":8037,"start_s":8038,"end_s":8039,"word_count":224,"indexable":178},1320,"158388","I want to thank Orião Teixeira for being here.",6828.1,6829.86,{"idx":8041,"utterance_id":8042,"speaker_name":174,"text":8043,"start_s":8044,"end_s":8045,"word_count":270,"indexable":178},1321,"158389","Orião, thank you very much, you know, for bringing more information, more opposing viewpoints, more reflection to this conversation.",6829.9,6838.14,{"idx":8047,"utterance_id":8048,"speaker_name":174,"text":8049,"start_s":8050,"end_s":8051,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},1322,"158390","The one who should be thanking is me; it was a pleasure to be here with you.",6838.38,6840.56,{"idx":8053,"utterance_id":8054,"speaker_name":174,"text":8055,"start_s":8056,"end_s":8057,"word_count":301,"indexable":178},1323,"158391","Guilherme Jorgue from Fator, thank you very much, Gui, for joining us; you answered the call and took the suit out of the closet.",6840.96,6847.72,{"idx":8059,"utterance_id":8060,"speaker_name":174,"text":6593,"start_s":8061,"end_s":8062,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1324,"158392",6847.86,6848.42,{"idx":8064,"utterance_id":8065,"speaker_name":174,"text":8066,"start_s":8067,"end_s":8068,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},1325,"158393","And I thank you for the invitation; I want to send a personal hug from home, and whenever you need us, we're here at your disposal.",6848.76,6854.24,{"idx":8070,"utterance_id":8071,"speaker_name":174,"text":8072,"start_s":8073,"end_s":8074,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},1326,"158394","Very 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